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Large grid tank maybe?

Very good and useful pointers

Thx for sharing

You should do more videos like this. Good job

is the fighter on the workshop, im working on a carrier and looking into fighter designs and build my hangar capacity around a final fighter design, i like this one the best

Small grid fighters can get a lot of extra punch if you equip them with homing missiles. I made a <20k lb hydrogen fighter with VTOL engines and it was insanely nimble. 3 small thrusters on the top, 3 small thrusters on the left-and-right each, and 1 large in the rear. I had to do way less piping work which cut down on weight.

Appreciate you sharing your thought process.

In my experience hitting stuff with rockets isn't even that hard but I still tend to use them only if the chance to hit is near to 100.

Jets beat tanks… gosh, who would have thought that?

I stole a fighter like this. That's exactly what I wanted. Something small something cheap something I can deploy in Mass. Kind of like a TIE fighter or F5. This thing has two jobs, intercept small craft and harass larger ones drawing the fire away from its own larger ships. What my fighter pilots don't know is that I've hidden quite a few decoy blocks inside of their machines. It's called the winox ii. I changed it a little bit. I added a another Canon under the nose in the center of the ship for better accuracy and the two rocket pods on the edges were replaced with again more cannons and the two machine guns were also replaced with more cannons. The Auto cannons are amazing

Pro-tip, no one wants to hear you clicking your mouse or key-board. Notice the top content creators don't do that. It distracts from the video and makes it harder to hear you speaking. Tell me to fuck off if you want but that's why I couldn't finish your video. Goodluck on future videos though.

nice little fighters for the small and deadly i build drones with this in mind my manned fighting ships/vehicles are a bit bigger ( around 1200 small blocks with strong thrust and deadly weaponry usually i can take down 10 drones before going for repair/rearm/refuel the new updates made alot of changes to fighters in general

This was really helpful

is the most optimized one in the workshop?

Great video. Great points. Valuable knowledge shared. Thumbs up.

Brother you can’t be flicking the camera around so much like that I’m getting seasick lol

Damn, the exact vid I was looking for, thank you!

This is actually helpful, i was literally building a brick because i thought i needed a heavy armored vehicle.

depends on the purpose of your tanks they are a bit better now with all the new weapons

i think this is the first ever youtube video i've watched that's actually given me motion sickness lmao all that camera movement

Have you optimized this fighter for the new weapons we got with Warfare 2?

Props to you for digging into blueprint cost-effectiveness and bottom-line effectiveness! Yeah, the cost-effectiveness of flying units is pretty good. It's true for block count or for PCU cost. One thruster is 15 PCU, while one wheel is 50 PCU. SE tank mobility is more survivable with more wheels (see point below about ablative block design), but a tank with typically 8-16 wheels already costs as much as a fighter with 26-52 thrusters in PCU alone. Whether it's your own PC's sim speed (your computer has to simulate more complicated block behavior with higher-PCU blocks) or working within per-player limits on a server, redundantly-wheeled vehicles are a tough sell on top of the inferior mobility. PCU-to-offense ratio is an oversimplification like any other single number metric, but it's a convenient baseline for comparison. Some of these points are still very useful after the Warfare 2 update. With custom turret controllers (CTCs) or scripts like Whiplash or Rdav for custom player-made turrets with designators, we have to spend an upfront cost of at LEAST 300 PCU for 1 turret (either a programming block or a CTC, azimuth rotor, elevation rotor), plus 20-30 PCU for all the greebly extra armor blocks to desperately buy a few more seconds of taking shots before incoming shots squish the custom PMW turret in some vital block. Compare that to more or less 200-250 PCU for one AI turret, depending on the turret gun -- and it has all its hit points in one block that functions until all that pooled health gets knocked down, instead of a lucky shot taking out a wimpy rotor early. But with multiple guns, we can average out the PCU cost of the custom controller/rotor setup since non-turret guns are flat 80 PCU each. That's why autocannons are kind of meta now, for small grid. Two AI autocannon turrets are 2 x 225 PCU, while a single custom PMW turret with 2 autocannons is 460 PCU (naked, no armor blocks or ablative panels). So at least PCU wise, custom turrets only start to make sense at 3+ guns per custom turret -- at a trade-off of putting more eggs in a basket. For larger builds (boy, those eggs), I like to use 4-6 gatlings, autocannons, and/or assault cannons per turret; at a per-turret total cost of about 700-900 PCU after armoring), 1 or 2 of them can complement a total mix of AI turrets and player-fired direct forward guns. Luca and some other channels have advocated about 1 gun per 500 PCU (which can vary depending on how many direct-fire versus AI turret guns you use; MANY workshop creative designs average only 1 gun per 1000 PCU or worse), so PMW turrets don't start to make sense until a total ship's PCU budget gets to about 3000 total. Or more, since I don't like to pin all my hopes and dreams on a single squishy PMW weapon, so I usu go with an AI turret first. BTW, Luca had a recent video critiquing the popular Perseus ship (which is well-designed for RP/aesthetics/accessibility, plus the author is a nice guy) b/c as you found in your player blueprint testing, a LOT of workshop vehicles/ships are built in creative mode in a vacuum, and their creators spend too much mental effort/PCU on achieving a certain preconceived vision (typically drawn from Halo :P, but also a lot of other not-very-practical SF intellectual properties) without watching their creations get 360-no-scoped by crappy PVE drones or melted by PVP flying gun bricks. I love the look and sometimes the handling of a lot of workshop blueprints, but often they'll spend 8k+ on a small grid tank with like 4 weapons. That's a lot of survival playing time and resources sunk into an expensive target that'll sit there while PVE or PVP opponents whittle its armor down after quickly shredding those few weapons. At a ratio of 1 weapon per 500 PCU, that 10k PCU ought to mount 20 guns in some form or fashion; you can get as high as 1 gun per 200-300 PCU so a 10k PCU grid could shoehorn in 40 guns as you approach the meta flying brick with guns design (after which point, the only variables left are the shape of said brick and proportion spent on mobility, depending on kite, tank, or DPS/sniper role choice). Large grid "capital" ships on the workshop are even worse, spending 30k to 80k PCU and deploying only 15-20 turrets/guns. It's like watching the organic evolution of undergunned overarmored WW I/II tanks into modern day AFVs and drones. SE weaponry (and other blocks, like power, motive, even basic armor) is all pretty ablative. Multiple redundant blocks can improve peak DPS (for weapons) but also help the grid limp along a few more hits. The ladder and fake gun barrel panels are all acting as ablative or cage armor, similar to how AFVs IRL have added them on to deal with cheap and plentiful infantry AT weapons. It's a cool little intersection of real life and organic gameplay. Speaking of PCU costs, wheels alone (25 PCU, or 10 PCU more than a functional thruster) or wheels on actual suspension (50 PCU) have some really handy invincibility tricks to mitigate impact damage (like in your tank suspension trick), but it comes at a pretty steep added cost on top of the actual driving wheels. At minimum with a 6-wheeled tank, the little impact shock bogey wheels will cost an additional 150 PCU -- which could have gone toward 2 more 80 PCU guns in the player-fired front brick or on a PMW turret. Alllll that said, as you said, ground vehicles have a few advantages, mostly endurance. In survival, I'll consider positioning and parking a ground vic with a landing gear/mag plate (counts more as a static grid that way, easier on sim speed, thus can afford to deploy more of them concurrently based on PC capacity, and consequently increasing peak DPS that can be pointed at an enemy) for mobile gun emplacements that last several hours of gameplay without having to worry about their power. At 4 wheels + landing gear, that's 185 PCU, equivalent to about 12 thrusters on a flying unit. If that lets me position at least 1-2 guns in a spot with good sight lines (either keyhole or high-vis depending on what I want) and forget about it for 2-8 hours of playing time, then it's worth it. In early/mid game, it's more of a resource crunch to do too many things with too little time/materials. By mid/late game, it's more the inconvenience and tedium of upkeep on power, repairs/replacement, and ammo on these defense units/positions. Anything that makes it less grindy and more fun for my active playing attention is a win!

Awesome vid!

bro... you gotta put that final one on the workshop. I could try to copy it but a blueprint would be great

Workshop?

awesome class., but that thing? is capable of Survival combat?, like ., have conveyor lines?

I am I tell only one that doesn't see any backwards thurster, are they hidden or not needed?

Very cool!

That will help me make better fighter, and the new update if the fuel tank in the back get hit then bye for you thruster ,but the new one look nice.

The camera movement kills Me the commentary is great

"The strongest for it's size". That os a nice philosophy. Hard to hit, and more resistent than expected. It's a nice plan for a ship

Would you consider using the armor plates to cover the hydrogen tanks? Do you have any issues with the deformation destroying blocks after only a few shots?

Not going to lie the constant movine the camera around and changing the view makes the beginning viewing of the video very hard to watch. ADD in full swing.

Wait why is this video a thing? 1:32 ah ok I see. In our world tanks actually suck and get blown up by aviation even easier than in Space Engineers. The reason tanks stay relevant is because making something that can fly is a lot more expensive than slapping a whole lot of steel to a vehicle. In real life, a single hydrogen thruster can cost as much as five fully functioning tanks. Yet in space engines anyone can make a bunch of hydrogen thrusters after logging in. Even regular jet engines are incredibly expensive. I don't think that this makes Space Engineers bad or even unrealistic, by the way. I don't *want* to drive tanks, I want to do zoom-zoom pew-pew.

Ah yes, the "long rod" strategy. Make your ship in a shape of a long rod that is always pointing at the enemy. That way you only need a minimum amount of armor to protect it. I use similar strategy for my drones, but I actually do use heavy armor. Just only a small section that is in front of the craft, like 10 armor blocks won't slow down your craft *that* much, but make a huge difference in how long it survives.

Wonder what you would think of my "tank". I designed it with the vanilla gameplay in mind so as to increase survivability. (originally supposed to be an NPC, so no subgrids)

The keys are extremely loud.

Can you make a blueprint link of that latest design or maybe a vid showing how you did de core of that ship?

What about 'torpedo bomber' type craft, like using remote guided missiles? As a general idea, considering the kinds of ships fighters normally encounter?

Thank you for sharing your knowledge. It was cool to see. I like that the end results is so fast, so hard to hit hand still looks so good. Great engineering!

Looks good! Would you have different variants covering different roles, like an assault fighter to attack assertive installations? That would use rockets a bit more, maybe 3-5 rockets and 4-2 miniguns? That though might be creeping more into the role of a medium fighter instead.

would be viable if flying stuff didnt have space magic trusters and gyros that disables gravity lol

Yeah all the reasons you stated in the video are the reasons why my faction doesnt have tanks. Only ground attack planes. Altough these things look cool and the info you gave is realy usefull! Pls gib me more of your infinite knowlage engineer!

Thank you youtube for showing this video! The info in this video is realy good man. I'll be implementing those lessons in my new fighters.

Nice!

An update that bolsters grids that are "rooted" to the ground by using wheels would make ground vehicles viable options is badly needed Because your right, ground vehicles are cool , but extremely under powered 1 small jet is vastly more powerful that a battalion of "tanks"

Highly underrated channel Great info here

I tank you so much for making this. its such explosive video, hopefully this will rocket up in the youtube algorithm and find its way treading among the stars.

Excellent info, and that final tiny design is super efficient and effective Most small grids will not last more than a few minutes (sometimes seconds) during actual combat. Cheap, stylish and quick to repair. Great work!

This is so cool seeing the process you went through to from the first ship to the more optimized versions! As a total noob fighter builder, this video is very helpful. Also good to know I shouldnt make heavy armor brick fighters XD