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Glad you enjoyed it!

Sadly not, I haven't really seen anything about it before

Hope I helped!

@@taranspictures of course! I appreciated the simple yet real nature of the video. I've seen so many where the video is just one big ad for gear or their course. You were just genuine and that's what inspires me the most

Sounds like a dream but I can imagine that would be a lot more haha

Great to hear your experience with it. That's probably the most level headed comment I've had haha. I would love to try one in the future but I can't justify the price

I'm sure it was an honest mistake so I'm not going to out them like that. Yes it was a bit scummy but they did accept the camera back right away and they have mostly positive reviews

Yeah it's a strange choice from Pentax

I'm sure it is fun, if you get one be sure to let me know what you think of it!

Correct👍 stay mad

@@taranspictures Not mad at all, just laughing at how many people have jumped on the bandwagon to ride the hype/hate train. You criticize Pentax and other photographers for doing things "for click" and yet here you are doing the same thing. Lol.

I'm voicing my opinions on a topic that is trending, it's literally what every youtuber does. No matter how big or small someone is they are making content to get clicks, whether that is by praising a camera or criticising it, and personally I think it's a strange choice from Pentax to produce this. I don't have to own the camera to give my opinions on it, obviously having a first hand experience with the camera may sway my opinion but from where I stand right now, £500 seems way too much for what is a half frame point and shoot

@@taranspictures It isn't strange or weird at all. For the main audience Pentax is marketing it makes perfect sense. Example, you harp on about how it should have been autofocus. This camera was made for people wanting a *"film experience"* so why would they make it autofocus? One of the most "loved" traits of past film cameras is manual focus. It is the same reason they made it manual film advance. "Manual" (zone) focus and manual film advance portray the rose tinted nostalgia of "shooting film." Zone focus is easier to understand for someone new to "manual" focus and faster than something like a split prism for new/novice photographers. They didn't want to make a film camera that operates or handles like the 47 million point and shoot digitals that are on the market, or like the last decade of film point and shoots. I just laugh at all the "reviews" that can't connect these dots - despite it being in multiple releases in print and video to *why* they made the decisions they did. The issue with your "critiques" is that you, and all the other people hating on price, feature set, etc - without actually owning one - is that it isn't the *exact* camera *you* wanted. So instead of actually getting one, and doing a fair-shake review in context to what the camera actually is - you just jump on the bandwagon and bash it when you didn't even bother to research it enough to understand why it is what it is. The camera is an upper quality film point and shoot where they designed it to have a bit of personality that is mainly marketed to new film photographers or people wanting to include film into their social media (and there is *nothing* wrong with that.) I also find it hilarious all the hate on the price - yet the same people whining and moaning about $499 dollars are the same people who have a 1200 dollar phone in their pocket, pay $22 dollars for a salad, and walk around with $2k dollar digital and a $1.5k lens attached with no complaints. Anyone who understands production, logistics, and manufacturing knows the price is reasonable. The "new parts" count on a camera like the 17 is way higher than some new model of digital where they are using a already in production sensor, components, knobs, and electronics with an established supply chain. The price of the 17 is inline with decent quality digital point and shoots. Given the sales of the 17 so far - the price must be quite fair. All the people who complain about it not being an SLR wouldn't pay what a new SLR cost in 2024 anyway, and same with the people who cry that it isn't a successor to the 67 would sh*t their pants at what that costs. The funniest part of all this, is when the Rollei 35AF is released by MiNT - the same people are going to by whining and moaning about how that camera is too expensive and not exactly what *they* wanted. Comparing to decades old gear isn't a valid comparison either - because no matter how people try to paint it - old gear is a dice roll - and there isn't a repair shop on every corner, and parts for 99% of the old cameras aren't made anymore. I have a whole bin full of "working, serviced" film cameras that aren't working right, so there is what I paid for all those - then the rolls of film I paid for to learn they weren't quite right. I learned how to repair and keep a stash of parts for my Bronicas because no one works on them anymore, and the gear I really like - I have "parts" versions of them so I can fix them when they do break. Someone who is new to film probably isn't going to want to navigate the murky, fanboi filled, take-a-gamble world of buying used film gear. It doesn't matter how well it was maintained, it doesn't matter how many times it was serviced - wear and tear, old electronics, and old rubber, foam, and glass degrades over time - this is *fact* This is coming from someone (me) who owns ~18 or so film cameras, that I used often ( I shoot multple rolls a week, and develop at home...), and I service and repair myself. Dealing with old gear is a pain in the a** when it comes to getting it worked on or serviced in most part of the world. Something new with warranty is very alluring to a large amount of people. The 17 is a great camera for what it is. If you use it in a way that is inline with what the camera was made for - it is awesome. I am three rolls into mine and I love it. I stick it in my pocket, I shoot pics with reckless abandon cause half frame - and I get home and can make great 8x10 (and I have zero doubt I can do larger) prints. The camera feels great in the hand, is easy to use, and the modern glass & coatings outperforms my older half frames and 35mm small cameras. I really like it has an EV comp control (funny how most "reviews" don't even mention that....) The meter is more accurate as well. I also like the lack of "is this the outing where this camera dies" back of the brain thoughts I get when using my 40+ year old gear. I cringe everytime I gingerly rack the film advance on my GS645 cause I know how fragile they are these days....I took the 17 out with my local photography club - and everyone who I let use it loved it. Whining and moaning that it isn't something it isn't and that it isn't what *you* wanted - is just plain silly to me and a waste of time. It is like ordering fish and complaining it isn't steak to the point where you can't appreciate the fish.

Mate I'm not reading all that😂

That's fair enough

Exactly, duder is just click-bait engagement farming lol.

I don't mean the orientation of the image, I mean the whole design in general. Half frame cameras have existed way before social media. I'm talking about how they had the opportunity to create a camera that would benefit the majority of film shooters but instead they prioritised social media by creating a super basic camera that looks good but doesn't perform great

@@taranspictures oh sure, I wasn’t having a go at anything you said, but many people have been making that argument in the context of the vf orientation. Couldn’t agree more, I haven’t heard a single solid argument in favour of this camera over everything else on the market, I could get a used pen ft from a reputable local store that has techs inspecting their stock for half the price, if anything eventually breaks I could pay to get it fixed and still have change from the price of the p17.

That's exactly my point, you summed it up perfectly!

Every film camera I've ever bought has worked, except from one but that was because I was sent the wrong one. People in this comment section are acting like this is the only camera that won't break

Exactly my point, they already have the blue prints to create something amazing so why would they put money into creating something mediocre

@@taranspicturesbecause the release of the premium camera’s will be based on the success of the pentax 17 and other new film camera’s. They have more premium models ready to be manufactured but to ask 1000 dollars for a premium camera will need a bigger pool of interested people

I'm not a half frame negative person, I'm a £500 half frame negative person😂

Seriously lol

In my opinion digital sensors have gotten better than their film counterparts, my XT4 produces higher quality images than any 35mm camera I've used or even seen. You literally can't argue that half frame isn't a trade off when seeing the images produced by half frame cameras, the amount of grain in the images is insane

But the quality of even your phone is much better than what you will get with half frame.

That's a great way of looking at it and I agree 100%, this is definitely an experiment from them to see how successful it can be but I just think they went about it a weird way

I'm glad you like it and I'm glad you're getting back into film photography, that's all that matters really!

Exactly! Yet people have been trying to justify it, all it is is corporate greed

I don't see how this camera offers hope when they have priced out the majority of people who would buy it

exactly, i dont personally want that camera but its a win for film as a whole

@@taranspictures there are people who still buy leicas which are 2k and up this 500 is nothing to film lovers, although its not accessible to everyone , it is what it is, its a win for film in general

I do agree it is a win for film but comparing getting a Leica to getting a Pentax 17 is not a good point. That's like comparing a Ferrari to a fiat panda

​@@taranspictures In recent times, there have been cheaper cameras manufactured. I personally own the Ektar H35, while there are also others like the moment 35mm p&s and other less popular ones. These have opened the, previously dead, film photography market into modern days. These cameras are low quality, cheap to manufacture, and a good "test" on whether a market segment even exists anymore. These cheap cameras have opened the eyes that the film market is hungry for more. Now (with the pentax), they're going up a step into higher quality (not impeccable, but better than pure plastic), less cheap to manufacture, and another test. However, this test is not just testing the existence of a market segment. It's testing whether this segment is mature/profitable enough. Conducting this test with a wider *potential* appeal has a HIGHER chance of having positive results. Compare that HOPE with the business profitability of a smaller, more competitive niche that is the prosumer. that would have higher chances to yield a "flop" in terms of business EVEN with a high quality amazing product. Trying to go "all out" on a product too early could mean the permanent discontinuation of film. Getting "into the water" slowly gives them a better idea on which customers are buying what, where profits are coming from, and ultimately a better idea on how to move forward with future products. A brand new film SLR may not be the best choice because it is expensive to manufacture, will require additional manufacturing of parts for servicing (something that the pentax 17 has to worry about less), and may not even catch the eye of the "big spenders" that is the professional photography industry. For so long, camera companies have made the most money off of the quality of digital, ease of use, and workflow accommodations that it offers. No matter how we feel about it, the market for film cameras may not be competitive enough against brand new digital cameras to expend resources and opportunity costs making a new film SLR. The only way to be sure, is by testing the market, which is exactly what the P17 is. TLDR: It's hope because it helps Pentax (and other possible film manufacturers) to get a better idea on the market, the segments of consumers, and right way to go in the future while balancing expenditures. The pentax 17 gives us more hope that there will be a future of newer SLR film cameras than if they flopped with a new SLR today.

Like I mentioned in the video you can buy MANY different cameras that are already refurbished and repaired for less money that will hold up for decades to come. You can also get older film cameras with warranties, especially if you are shopping local as my partner has done in the past

Good points but there are also many film cameras out there that either have already been refurbished/ repaired of are not too much of a hassle to get fixed

You make some very good points and I agree with you on some of them but I do truly think that if they produced a full frame 35mm camera then it would have been more beneficial in terms of coverage on the internet and sales, even if it was double the price. See the thing they could have done which I mentioned in the video is they could have produced a k mount SLR which gives the option for people to go out and get their own lenses (or use ones they already have) and they won't have to design a new lens mount or even a new camera design as the Pentax k1000 is already brilliant as it is and although it may be a bit scummy, they could just recreate that camera

I do agree that half frame is a brilliant way to counter the film prices but personally I don't think it's worth the drop in quality and the increase in grain in your photos. I would also love to own an Olympus pen f but the difference between me being happy with one of those and then the Pentax 17 is the price which I cannot justify

Exactly, people should invest in the used market not even just because it's better for the environment, it's also just a way to get a better camera

@@taranspictures Im very angry against some youtubers who know this is crap and recommand it

Yeah one thing that got to me was Matt Day who previously said the Kodak ektar was over priced but then was completely fine with the Pentax 17 being 10x the price

In my country we have "local Ebay". A year ago there were around 350 listings by "Pentax analog cameras", today there are a little over 100 of them and most are items in poor condition and/or unwanted models. The supply of used cameras is rapidly decreasing and prices are increasing. One of the bigger sellers is asking 170 for BROKEN F3... Yes, good cameras can still be found locally, but you have to spend a lot of time to make an educated purchase. Most people don't have that time. I couldn't find a single half-frame camera (which would not have to be imported) in decent condition either.

@@taranspictures plastic lens vs glass... I personally would not use that camera even if I received it as a gift

100%

It's a wonderful lens!

Huh?

Cheers! Yeah I created a new character a couple months ago to prepare for the dlc as I hadn't played the game since it came out, i completed the dlc last week and I've already started a new mage character that I'm doing the main game with. My first every character was a mage and I forgot how op they are😂

@@taranspictures lol I have never played a mage character in any of Fromsoft's games. I am actually doing a strength build this time, which is new to me. Glad you are enjoying it my friend!

I'm leaning more towards the GR as each day goes by, I would love to test one out before hand though so I might see if I can loan one

@@taranspictures Just buy one from a used shop i.e. mpb, park, wex, etc. here in blighty and you have two weeks to test, then if you don't like it you can just pay the postage to return it.

I'm super broke right now so it will be months before I'm able to buy one

What GR did you pick up btw?

@@taranspictures I snagged a 2013 GR MK1 for about £540 from mpb a couple of months ago.

Same

I was just joking around. Intact recently I've really been wanting to try landscape photography

Ive used one before and I did think it was quite nice, however I'm wanting a camera that has atleast an apsc size sensor, also I'm not a big fan of how it looks and I know that shouldn't be that big of a factor but I find that if I like the look of a camera, then I enjoy it more. Also thank you very much man! I appreciate it :)

Thank you!

It's really personal preference, I find large format quite enjoyable for portraiture. The photos in this video were terrible, I know they weren't creative in anyway but that's because they weren't supposed to be, I was just practicing shooting at this time since this was back when I first started to shoot 4x5

It's the mkV

Cheers! It's definitely a set up that I need to use more!

That's the whole reason is got mine! Paired with the Mitakon it is basically a digital Pentax 67

We need an x100v or another xpro3

​@@taranspictures 'wE' ❤️😚UwU ✨ tehe hehehe HAHAHAAAAHH HBFUHVRGGASS

That's one of the silliest things I've ever read

@@taranspicturesthen you have to educate yourself, it’s not my problem you live in a mythical world.

Haha cheers

That's one hell of a set up!

@@taranspictures at the very minimum, wack a monopod under it. If walking out about. Yours arms will thank u.

I didn't know that

Exactly

Nah, Cornwall

This has a glass lens

It's a lovely camera

Infamous?

I owned the Pentax 67 and the 105 2.4 for around a year, I ended up selling it back in December as the camera felt like an oversized SLR and I like my medium format cameras to feel special. There is a part of me that regrets selling the Pentax, although I kept complaining about it, once it was gone, I started to miss it.

Hehehe... I've been trying to convince myself of selling mine for many years now. But then I take it our for a spin (every three months or so) and always find myself having a blast both using it and looking at the images I can get out of that thing. These days I mainly shoot my Rolleiflex when in need of a medium format camera. It is light and gives you a look few other lenses and cameras can provide you with these days. Otherwise I haul my 4x5 or 8x10 with me for all my more "serious" work. And I tell you. Once you've been carrying an 8x10 around for a couple of times that Pentax starts feeling more like a pocket camera! :D I have never used, or seen, a perfect camera for my needs as of yet. So I try to find a few that I really feel comfortable with and then I chose between those for every photo idea that I get. I hope you will find "your camera" soon man. I really like seeing your progress so far!

I used to own a Rolleiflex 2.8f and while it was an amazing camera, it felt too fancy to bring out anywhere. I think if there was a film camera that I would truly fall in love with it would be the Mamiya 645 system. I used to own a Mamiya 645 but I ended up reluctantly selling it to fund buying another camera, as soon as it was up on eBay I was regretting it, I loved that camera and would love to have another some day

@@taranspictures I've used that one too! The "super" version. The 80mm f/1.9 is really nice to take portraits with! I hope you can get your hands on one at some point.

It wasn't my camera, it was from my university and they get serviced once a year