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Thanks for the input. For sure big respect to IWC for a classic. The IWC is a great watch which retains its toolish nature. Only the lume i find to be not acceptable.

Agree with you. The Spirit does feel like a premium product.

si ma costa il triplo del hamilton.

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A quartz GS is at least 10mm thick. Still not in thin watch territory. Honestly pretty terrible they can't pull it off.

How so?

If i had to choose only one for daily use it would probably be the Longines too

I agree. It beats the other 2 in terms of everyday usability due to its better low light lume. Its slimness and microadjust clasp makes it suited for daily use too.

thanks for the comment. i love the Hamilton Murp 38 but unfortunately i don't have one. Personally i think the Murph 38 would compare well against the Seiko Alpinist because both use the cathedral hands.

Also, the Hamilton line keeps accurate time. The SEIKOs that I"ve owned keep a reasonably accurate date. @@sgwristwatcher3739

What dial in the spirit do you have ? I have the 38mm auto Hamilton and keep thinking of the Longines how do you feel they compare ? What is more versatile and is the Longines worth the price difference?

@@daveLin104the black one. Longines definitely feels more premium. Better lume as well. It exudes more quality than the Hamilton, whatever that is.

no worries. hope it's useful for our enthusiast circles. crystal diameter definitely does play a big part in the visual size of the watch

As an owner and fan of both brands, Hamilton isn't in the same realm as Longines. Longines is closer to omega than Hamilton to Longines. But for $300 bucks, Hammy gives you a lot

agree with you

thanks i do agree as well they are pretty similar but at different tiers. I've been meaning to make a video of it but wasn't sure if there was interest.

@@sgwristwatcher3739 agreed, well if you do I'm watching

@@saswineeyhi I’ve done the comparison video if you’re interested

@@sgwristwatcher3739 watched and commented 🔥

thanks. IWC is great and I love the pilots watches. But in this particular case, I think Longines is offering even better bang for buck if you look at the specs and quality.

I've stated the factual points why I think the Longines is better in this case. Instead of making grand pronouncements based on brand alone, why not make a case based on facts on why you think the IWC is better? I hope facts are not too challenging for you.

Show us why it is better dollar for dollar.

The Longines is absolutely awesome value for money. It could be that one good watch.

Yes very sure. If you go compare the pictures of the 42mm version you will see the date window in a different position

You wont regret it for sure

It's sure to look oversized on his girly wrist.

Agreed

Unfortunately i havent handled the silver one so i can’t comment

Hi thanks, i appreciate your comments coming from an owner. It's a shame you sold both, I'd have like to seen a side by side comparison.

@@sgwristwatcher3739 I still own the mark 18, I sold the longines as I always kept looking at the iwc and when I got the iwc I even sold my other watches as it's the only watch I wear all the time. Re the longines it was the design that made me sell it, just to much going on the dial.

@@coffeeboyclips1973 Agreed, it is really ugly with the stars, and the minute track deviates a bit too much from the traditional pilot design.

⁠Longines iconic five stars are a very characteristic Spirit watch feature IMO. This watch will be an icon in the future, with these own five stars...

Way to have a cry 😂

I guess standards have changed. As you said 34mm used to be then norm. I have really tiny wrists and I’m used to 36-38mm. Maybe one day i will try 34mm

Yes i can confirm the price of about $1k and needing to go back to Japan. I was surprised as 9S65 is the base movement for GS. Perhaps it has to do with the polishing. Nonetheless $1k is a lot of money give that i paid $2.3k preowned for it

Maybe a watch maker can regulate the time. Maybe it needs to be demagnetized

On the contrary the IWC Mark XVIII is a pure ETA 2892 or Selitta SW300. So it is more basic than the Longines. Longines is part of the Swatch group so it makes sense that their movements are from ETA as they are the same family. The IWC using ETA or Selitta is buying a movement from a third party manufacturer. Only the Mark XX is using an in group movement from Richemont.

@@sgwristwatcher3739 You need to check your facts - any watchmaker who's worked with one will tell you that the ETA based movements in the IWCs have been substantially tweaked by IWC. If you're just going by power reserve to compare how "basic" a movement is, you're not getting the full picture.

Yes i understand IWC does modify the ETA 2892/ Selitta SW-300 in their calibres. Nonetheless, it's hard to substantiate what the changes are given that the specs remain the same while the L888.4 clearly demonstrates upgrades in power reserve, accuracy (COSC certified) and magnetic resistance (silicon hairspring).

@@sgwristwatcher3739 Stop shifting the goalposts as it suits your narrative mate. The IWC has magnetic resistance as well from the soft iron cage. When you buy watches at this price point it becomes less about telling the time accurately and more about the finer details and branding. The IWC punches at a level the Longines simply can't. Understand that you are happy with the Longines but going around trying to convince people it's better than an IWC, what exactly are you trying to prove?

@@Manofthehour1002 yup of course I mentioned the soft iron inner cage of the IWC in the video.

Ok. I’ve listed my points in the video. The case, the dial, the movement are better than the Mark XVIII for the reasons explained. I’d like to hear your point of view. Could you explain with reasons and logic where the IWC is superior?

​@@sgwristwatcher3739 Sure let's see... 1. Water resistance - it's inconsequential as hardly anyone is taking these watches for a swim anyway, but for argument's sake 60m is going to be as good as 100m in a pool especially with IWC's literal ratings. Granted it's always nice to have additional water resistance as long as it doesn't contribute to case thickness, but this isn't something most buyers prioritise when looking at this style of watch. 2. Your second point kind of contradicts your first where you say these watches are more for everyday office-going people (so why the need for higher WR?). Anyway talking on the case, I see the IWC case design being fully brushed as being more true to the idea of what a pilot's watch should be. You might prefer the polished bevels but if you look at the brushed edges on both there is simply no contest, the IWC is a league above. 3. Fair point on the applied indices, though I'm not sure if adding these to Mark series would add any value - seems to work best with printed indices. You're comparing a picture of a black Mark XVIII to a blue dialed watch in the metal, hardly a fair comparison. If you put the Le Petit Prince side by side with your Longines it's no contest, the IWC pops way more under whichever light source you view it under. Subjective, but not everyone likes the 5 stars on the Longines dial either - definitely not me. 4. Disagree on the lume. The huge hands on the IWC are lumed enough such that with the 4 directional markers you're going to be able to tell what time it is pretty easily. Gives a unique lumed look as well as opposed to a fully lumed dive watch dial - to me it feels more of a design choice than IWC being cheap, how much more would it cost to fully apply lume anyway? 5. Moot point on the seconds hand as again it's purely a design choice and as you've mentioned IWC goes the "tool watch route". 6. Fair points on the movement and date window but with a base ETA servicing is going to be way easier and cheaper to procure. Higher beat rate always preferred for me. Granted, COSC certification is a nice touch for the Longines. 7. IWC is heads and shoulders above all other brands when it comes to pilot's watches and their heritage. Longines is nice but comes up short. 8. Longines is very good value for the price, but when you talk about luxury watches it's always about diminishing returns. The IWC costs 2x, but is undoubtedly better made and better finished in every way when you handle both. The brushing on the IWC alone outclasses anything the Longines can offer. It's again subjective if you think it's worth twice the price and perhaps the Longines is the better VALUE, but it's undisputable that the IWC is a better made watch. Additionally, lug width wise the XVIII and XX at 20mm will make sourcing for watch straps a lot more painless compared to the odd 19mm the Longines is on.

@@manofthehour_ thanks. you made a good point about the straps. 20mm is definitely preferable to 19mm. The brushing is something that i've heard about and i'd like a chance to compare again side by side. On the lume, my theory is that partially it's being true to the original Mark XI that they keep that concept or perhaps to differentiate it from the Big Pilots that they only keep the quarter lume plots. But really I think it's not acceptable at this price. Althought we have different perspectives I'm glad we could agree on the facts. Anyways most of the points are moot with the introduction of the Mark XX. Although the Mark XX will run into the issue of serviceability with the new in house movement but these are trade-offs I guess. Thanks for sharing.

Previously i got Longines at 25% off at multi brand stores. In singapore and malaysia

@@sgwristwatcher3739 Cash term or credit card?

@@ngpatrick8687 i paid via youtrip so credit card

@@sgwristwatcher3739 i asked around, the max discount i get is 8%. in Singapore...

The Spirit is absolutely a great watch. I did another video comparing the specs with the IWC Mark XVIII and i explain why i think its better in almost every way. Sadly i dont have a IWC on hand to compare with but the facts remain.

It is really fantastic. They wont do it at this price any longer. I think the new SPB King Seikos are really nice too but those are $1400 preowned while i paid $400 for the SARB.

If you like the SARB you should get the GS SBGR023. Its the black dial version of my GS

Thanks. Two great brands and two great watches. 1.5mm slimmer and they would have been on another level.