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alexiskai0
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Current video series: Engine disassembly and inspection, repair
Email ModelATechQuestions@gmail.com with technical questions about your Model A.
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Examining NOS Ford Model B distributor parts
This is Part 2 of my series on the Ford Model B distributor. The B distributor had a centrifugal advance mechanism that many Model A owners find intriguing. In this video, I take a close look (and some measurements) at original Model B distributor parts. Knowing the original dimensions of these parts will help you decide whether your B distributor core is suitable for use.
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Model A Ford - Engine Removal Walkthrough
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This video walks you through the complete sequence of steps to remove the Model A engine from the car. Click "Show More" for an index that will let you jump straight to any point in the procedure. I do make some mistakes in the video. I'm not an expert at engine removal, I haven't done it many times. However, there are at present no complete walkthroughs available from any more professional sou...
Model A Ford - Make a Fast, Cheap Frame Spreader
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Note to the audience: I am aware that this is not an elegant or compact frame spreader design, but it is a *cheap and functional* design that anyone can build in a few hours. Below are the instructions to assemble a frame spreader from some steel tube, angle iron, bolts, washers, and a scissor jack. The concept of this spreader is that you're making a rectangle with one side hinged in the middl...
Model A Ford - Upgrading to Model B Distributor - Part 1
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The Model B car, which replaced the Model A in 1932, was the first in Ford's lineup to feature mechanical spark advance. Model A owners have a long history of trying to adapt the distributor from the B for use in the A, but after 90 years, it's poorly documented and most units are in bad condition. In this video I describe what to look for in a restorable B distributor, and I show step by step ...
Model A Ford - Precision Timing and Finding Top Dead Center
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This video teaches two methods for setting spark timing on the Ford Model A to arbitrary values, e.g., 19° before TDC or 5° after TDC. It also teaches some techniques for finding the top dead center point as accurately as possible without removing the cylinder head. The first method involves calculating a length of arc around the crankshaft pulley and then offsetting the crankshaft from TDC by ...
Model A Ford - Burned Points
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In this video, I show an example of points where the gap was too small and some material erosion resulted. I talk about how to clean up burned points and how to get more precise gap setting using a dial indicator. This video does not show the actual setting of the point gap or how to remove/install the upper plate in the distributor; there are several @ModelA videos that demonstrate these very ...
Model A Ford - Horn Breakdown and Assembly
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In this video, I take a Sparton horn apart (partly) and put a Stewart-Warner horn together, along with some comments on how to clean and test horns and the differences between Model A horn suppliers. Update: After making this video, I put the S-W horn on the car and had trouble getting the ahooga to sound correctly. I ended up swapping the reproduction adjustment screw back to the original (jus...
Model A Ford - condenser testing and theory
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Update 12/18/23: An alert viewer let me know that the segment beginning around 07:00 is not quite correct. The condenser does discharge back into the circuit, but this discharge has no effect on the spark intensity. It occurs after the spark ends. The capacitance of the condenser has only a minor effect on the spark intensity. As long as the capacitance is above a certain threshold (likely .22 ...
Model A Ford - (2 of 3) Testing the Nu-Rex Automatic Spark Timing System
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In this video, I explain how to connect a modern timing light to the Model A engine, examine the predicted timing curve for the Nu-Rex device, and then test the actual timing curve of my Nu-Rex device in my 1929 coupe. Link to a hi-res version of the chart showing the two timing curves: www.dropbox.com/s/koj2tui9f35939n/Nu-Rex timing curves.png?dl=0 Update 1: I figured out why I was getting cra...
Model A Ford - (1 of 3) Automatic spark advance
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Warning: No Model As appear in this video. If you need an actual Model A in your video, wait for part 2. This video explores the background of the WIlliams/Phillips/Nu-Rex Automatic Spark Control device, the first centrifugal spark advance you could buy for the Model A (way back in 1930). We look at how spark timing works in general, what an automatic advance device for the Model A needs to do,...
Model A Ford - (3 of 3) cylinder head installation - head gasket break-in
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This video shows the final step in installing a new cylinder head - the first engine start and re-torquing the head nuts afterward. Update Feb. 2023: I just checked the torque on the head nuts - torque is holding perfectly, no leaks after 18 months.
Model A Ford - calibrating throttle/accelerator linkage
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This mini-guide shows the connections between the throttle controls and the carb on the Model A. If this linkage is not set correctly, the car can act sluggish or have trouble starting. I cover 3 points to check to make sure your linkage is working properly. It's been pointed out to me that the throttle control rod in this video should be straight. This is correct. The thing that's actually out...
Model A Ford - test ignition coils with the Snap-On MT-640
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This video demonstrates the use of a vintage coil tester, the Snap-On MT-640, to test coils for use in the Model A. I test a good and a bad coil, show the heat-stress test, and explain how to hook up the unit. Note: I heat the test coil to 110°, but a coil in the engine compartment can hit 130° during prolonged idling, so feel free to push yours to a higher temperature.
Model A Ford - (2 of 3) cylinder head installation - final assembly
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This video shows the final assembly process when installing a new cylinder head on the Model A Ford 4-cylinder flathead engine, including notes on torque and a walkthrough of the remaining component assembly (fan belt, spark plugs, etc.). Chapter headings 0:00 Titles and Final Prep 4:25 Install new head and tighten head nuts 12:17 Install remaining components 21:08 Coda
Model A Ford - (1 of 3) cylinder head installation - decision points, pre-assembly
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Note: This was originally part 1 of 2, but then I opted to split part 2, so now it's 1 of 3. This video shows the pre-assembly process when installing a new cylinder head on the Model A Ford 4-cylinder flathead engine, as well as several key decisions to make before you begin the installation. Before watching this video, you should review the preflight checklist video, which covers 10 items to ...
Model A Ford - cylinder head torque and tightening sequences
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Model A Ford - cylinder head torque and tightening sequences
Model A Ford - distributor lower plate - avoid accidental grounding
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Model A Ford - distributor lower plate - avoid accidental grounding
Repairing block surface pitting with JB Weld ExtremeHeat
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Repairing block surface pitting with JB Weld ExtremeHeat
Model A Ford - preflight checklist for new head installation
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Model A Ford - preflight checklist for new head installation
Model A Ford - testing engine block threads
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Model A Ford - testing engine block threads
Model A Ford - cleaning engine block stud holes
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Model A Ford - cleaning engine block stud holes
Shoulder Belt Tutorial for '29 Model A Coupe
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Shoulder Belt Tutorial for '29 Model A Coupe
Claremont McKenna Commencement 2001 - Ray Bradbury
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Claremont McKenna Commencement 2001 - Ray Bradbury
Thank you for the videos I’ve used for improving my current distributor but a have a spare that needs a major retrofit mainly a new shaft Do you know who can do that and or have model b distributors parts ? Thank you in advance
Did this hold up for this build? I have a thin scratch that catches going up but not going down between a cylinder and the water jacket on my 2007 Chevy Silverado V8 5.3 daily driver. I don't have the means to resurface the deck at a machine shop.
@@writtenpieceopaper1 When you say it catches going up but not down, what do you mean?
@alexiskai my exhasut manifold fell at an angle, that's how i got that scratch. I think this is why the edge of the scratch is raised higher than the other side. When I ran my nail "up" towards the steering wheel and my nail doesn't catch. Then I ran my nail "down" towards the front of the engine, my nail catches. I tried applying the same force.
@@writtenpieceopaper1 And do you have the cast iron or the aluminum block?
You explained it great! I just purchased my first model A. Previous owner said it had blown head gasket so he replaced it but now #2 &3 cylinders are leaking worse than before so i bought the car. I cant find any cracks. What would you recommend buying a new gasket an try again? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!
There's a thing that's true for modern cars and antique cars alike - head gaskets rarely fail for no reason. If you've had two head gaskets fail in the same spot, something's causing it. First place I would look is what's called the faying surfaces, which is the interface between the block and the head. If either the head or the block are warped, the surfaces will not come together properly and the gasket will fail. You need to test the surfaces for flatness. I cover this in my pre-flight checklist video. ua-cam.com/video/UAPdsTg4lbE/v-deo.html
@alexiskai I will watch that and check it out. Thank you for your help!! I can't wait to get my A on the road an driving!
The first 16 minites of this video visually and audibly explained what's happening in the engine better than any other I've watched. Meaning, different people learn differently. This section of the video educated me in a way that no others have. It was rudimentary without being condescending. The use of the camera in the number one spark plug hole was revelatory! (Plus is showed the "float" that helos explain a sort of built-in imprecison! Absolutely BRILLIANT.) Thank you. I'm new to Model As, and it's been forty years since I've worked on a car with any degree of seriousness. I've accomplished many things in life, and understanding a motor is within my grasp, provided I find the right teachers. Again, thank you,
What a nice compliment, thank you.
This is the best video on this subject that I have seen (and I have watched a lot of them). I am attempting to determine whether I have a bad coil or condenser and this has helped considerably.
Awesome. Leave another comment if you hit a wall with the troubleshooting, I'll see if I can help any.
Here is my short guide to condenser testing: 1. Using a meter with a capacitance function, measure the capacitance. Ideal spec is 200-250 nF; up to 350 nF is probably OK if it's stable. 2. Using the resistance function, measure the resistance. You should see the readout gradually increment up until it reaches infinity. If the readout plateaus at some number of ohms, that indicates leakage. 3. Place the condenser and the multimeter in series with a battery and measure the amperage. You should see the amps start at some number and drop to zero. If the amps don't reach zero, that indicates leakage. 4. Heat the condenser gently until it reaches about 150° and repeat tests 1-3.
@@alexiskai Thank you! My capacitor (for a Ford V8) reads .33 microfarads at room temperature. I am heating it in the oven to see how it behaves under heat. I had an ignition failure the other day and swapped coil and capacitor on the road to get home. I am attempting to determine which of the two parts failed (the coil passed the heat test yesterday). The meter to measure capacitance arrived late yesterday so the condenser tests are today. I would not have known how to test the condenser without your video.
@@RAK402 I've heard that new V8 condensers are less reliable these days. Interested to see what you find. I do have a video on testing coils, but for that you need special equipment.
@@alexiskai Thank you again!
Really in depth analysis of the timing system. By the way, where did you get those plug wires? Thanks, Tom
I made them, using parts for Model T plug wires. The Winfield high-compression head puts the spark plugs in a different spot than the stock head, so the stock plug connectors won't reach. Had to improvise.
The tiny amount of energy stored in the condenser makes no difference to the spark. It just protects the points. Condenser is around 300nF. That ends up with about a 7microJoule of energy when charged. The magnetic field in the coil inductance is where all the energy is stored. The primary inductance is 5.5mH with 1 to 1.5ohms resistance it typically charges to 2amps. That is 11mJ, 1500 times more energy than the condenser. Another different more modern type of ignition system known as CD for Capacitive Discharge does store the energy in a capacitor and use the ignition coil more as a step up transformer. These run the primary side more like 600Volts. A bad condenser can ruin the spark by sapping energy from the coil, fouling the points due to arcing, and altering the timing of the spark. The current wants to keep going the same direction in the coil primary when the points open and resistance goes very high. This causes the reverse voltage. This is why you need to protect silicon switching devices like transistors from this high reverse voltage of inductors.
I need to look into this on my '28. This past weekend I noticed it having some light, constant bucking or surging on the highway. I thought it might be head winds, but maybe not.
Yeah, check that point gap and alignment.
Great video. You rock! Thank you very much for all of the detailed steps and info. I’ll be pulling both engine and trans this winter. Getting things ready for the job now.
Sounds great. Sourcing the engine stand adapter is key, and also making or borrowing a frame expander in case you turn out to need one. Also make sure that you've accounted for how you're going to rotate the engine on the stand. Be sure the adapter rotates smoothly in the bore; don't be afraid to apply some axle grease. The transmission and bell housing weigh about 70 lbs, and the stock flywheel weighs 63 lbs. Most people find that removing the transmission and bell housing is necessary to safely manipulate the engine. I recommend doing that with some kind of assistance to support the transmission as you remove it: either get a buddy or use your shop crane. I will have a new video this fall showing the process of tearing down two engines, including stuff like how to get the studs out safely.
Thank you for the additional info. Super helpful as I prepare for this.
@@TitanBodybuilding One clarification, if you're buying a new engine stand adapter, you'll need to drill two sets of holes in it. One is for the locating pin, which inserts down through the top of the stand to hold the engine in a certain orientation. So you gotta put the adapter in your stand and then mark where to drill. Four holes (0°, 90°, 180°, 270°) should be sufficient. Then at the back end of the adapter you need to drill holes through which to insert the bar you'll use to rotate the engine. Most engine stands come with a large hollow bar for this purpose, but you may not have a drill bit big enough to match it. In that case just go buy a piece of round stock 3' long for whatever size drill bit you do have, and use that as your rotating lever. You'll appreciate the extra length.
@@alexiskaithank you. Super helpful. I’m going to pull the engine and transmission and send it out to have it built. You’ve been super helpful and it’s greatly appreciated!
@@TitanBodybuilding Hahaha I see, you don't need any of that engine stand info. Ah well
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Hey, Thank You! I knew the adjustment was easy, I just didn't know how. Great Video. Thanks Again!
Thank you for this
OCD Not an important testing.
I agree with you don't check anything just run blindly with everything you do !!!
Awsome!
oh no, part 3 never arrived, the anticipation is killing me. Thanks so much for parts 1 and 2!
Yeah I've now reached George RR Martin levels of failing to finish my series. Sorry! I do have a Model B distributor video in the editing booth but it's not the one I promised here.
How can the high DC voltage reverse back into the battery?
If it's a lead-acid battery, i.e. a rechargeable one, then applying a higher voltage to a circuit than the battery itself is putting out will essentially charge the battery. That's how you charge the battery on a daily basis - you just put it into a circuit where something else is putting out a higher voltage. You can apply any voltage to the battery, but there are physical limitations to how much it can absorb in a given time. That's why a battery charger will put out only 1-2V above the battery's normal output. Anything above that just becomes heat. But for the fraction of a second that a capacitor is discharging, the battery will happily absorb 200V or whatever it's throwing out.
It doesn't. He confused all the current voltage reversals. The capacitor doesn't charge the battery with a reverse voltage, if it had a higher forward voltage then it might. The coil is disconnected before the reverse voltage spike so that doesn't see the battery.
@@vinnieluther6589 Where does the energy stored in the condenser discharge to when the points open?
@@alexiskai there is no energy in the condenser when the points open. They were shorting across the condenser when closed. If you have an oscilloscope you can probe around to see how this works.
Tried the B distributor but found the reissue of Phillips Spark Advance tec made in 1930s by Nurex better. Petronix ignition replacing the points makes for reliable and more forgiving application. Use the common A distributor. Like the old look but not old time consuming, fidgeting and frustrating issues of which some get satisfaction overcoming.
Yeah, if you keep compression under 6:1, the Nu-Rex is a lot more effective.
The other day I wanted to know how to test a capacitor with my kaiweets meter but ended up troubleshooting it down to the cap without it. Today I decided on digging into model a ignition and found your video... 2 for 1!!
Helpful video, thanks!
I have a lot of rotational slop in the point cam. LIke 3/4 of an inch. When I stop the engine, it is usually in the middle of that slop, not at one end or another as folks say. I am getting a lot of coughing and vback fire as I press on the gas peddle.
My first thought is, you might have a centrifugal advance device installed in the valve chamber. Have you had the car a long time? Have you had the valve cover off?
Cool ,some people are using the term hard R
Curious about your digital power supply - what is it?
Wanptek DC power supply from Amazon. They make different variants, get one that does 10A. Not just useful for generating 6V power, you can also put variable amps through an ammeter on the bench to test its accuracy and see how much resistance (heat) is generated. www.amazon.com/stores/Wanptek/%E4%B8%BB%E9%A1%B5/page/5D244B99-B3EC-417B-876F-85907F678E2E
The original Ford spec was design when using the pin method on a new engine would be set 5 deg. Retarded (ATDC). This was for ease of starting with starter and safe method hand starting. Also the advanced would be 10 deg. for e every 1000 RPM or 30 Deg. at 3000 RPM. I have noticed that each notch on the advance lever is approximately 4 degrees movement. My old Sanp On timing light does read retarded. Hope this helps someone. On another note if you use a Mellory distributor you can set the total advance and curve and have a preferred base timing degree. Hope this helps someone
Clear and concise. No puffery or wasted words or time. VERY well done. Thank you.
Hello you are great 👍 Can you tell me your location where you can get me model Ford A car parts
Nice video, what is the name of the head you put on? 😇🙏
This is a modern reproduction of an early speed head, the Winfield 7:1 "red head" - so called because it came painted that color. The Winfield design moves the spark plugs from over the intake valve to between the valves, which means the stock plug connectors don't work anymore, and if your plugs are tall you'll get arcing to the spark advance control rod. It's a powerful head but for my next car I'm switching back to a stock-appearance head.
Very nice video, I have a Brumfield head and I will surely follow your procedure before I put it on. Thank You oh I have a 1930 Coupe B45
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Very thorough workmanship 👍 Congratulations from Aotearoa New Zealand 🇳🇿
Considering the timing is controlled by a lever it doesn't have to be precise, just close. With the timing lever all the way up and the plate all the way retarded, set the #1 piston to what you consider 12*-15* ATDC. Then adjust the points cam to when the points just start to open. What needs to be precise for optimal performance is is the points gap, best measured and set with a dwell meter to 52*. One degree of dwell = one degree of timing. I never tried one on a positive ground car before but I'm sure there's some way to do it. Starter speed is enough to set them just recheck after it's run a bit.
Maybe you could answer a question for me please? About TDC. Traditionally, like..for the last 40 years, ive had to rotate the engine with #1 up, AND on compression stroke. So, sometimes depending which valve was about to open, i had to roll it over again to be on the correct stroke. However, since i got the Model A, and the manual, nothing ever says compression stroke. Can you help me understand why this is? Thank yoj
On later engines, the TDC mark is typically found on the crankshaft pulley. As you know, this pulley makes two revolutions per one four-stroke cycle, so it will be in the same position on the compression and exhaust strokes. That means you always need a second step to determine which stroke you're on. On the Model A, the TDC mark (actually a divot into which a pin drops) is on the camshaft gear, which only makes one revolution per four-stroke cycle. This allowed Ford to place the mark only at compression TDC, simplifying the task of timing the engine. Make sense?
@alexiskai that's fantastic thank you. Makes perfect sense, not sure why i diddnt recognize it. Thank you so much! I googled it and came up empty, and just kept going over it in my mind and got nowhere. Thank you for the videos as well, very helpful. Also going to do king pins on my 1930 so that should be interesting.
@@allhartfidelity Sounds good, make sure you review Tom Endy's advice on the subject. www.santaanitaas.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/King-Pin-Geometry.pdf
Great video, you explain the procedures very well. Armed with information from your great video i am going to do this job with the help of a friend. Much more confident now. Thank you very much!!
I wish I'd gotten farther on the rebuild by now! This engine is still sitting on a stand in the workshop. Too many projects. Hopefully I'll get to it before the end of the year.
Well done. For me, part of the enjoyment of driving my Model A is advancing the timing myself. Just like the manual brakes and steering, it's part of the experience.
There are a lot of people who want the authentic 1928 experience. Myself I want more like a 1936 experience. Luckily there's room in the world for both.
When I remove engine with Trans attached first thing is remove the brake and clutch pedals by removing a single cotter pin. just a suggestion. Kenny
There are lots of ways to remove the engine and that is one of them. My goal in the video was to establish that you can, if necessary, remove the engine and transmission virtually intact by yourself. Leaving the pedals attached did not impede the operation.
I have used the modern lower plate along with a modern upper plate set up on a lot of distributor rebuilds for a while, but the lower plate I use is steel. I find that the modern condenser's I get with these plate set's aren't too reliable, so I install the modern brass tab contact for the lower plate part closest to the points and the modern condenser wire on the "outside" so the condenser can be changed without moving the brass contact tab. I know that di-electric grease is not a lubricant, but I smear some on the lower plate where the brass tab contact's it and never had a problem with lower plate wearing out.
I assume you mean the di-electric grease isn't *conductive* - it's a great lubricant. The problem I've always had with the "wireless" lower plates is that the brass tab pushes down on it, and after awhile the flange fatigues and only makes contact with the tab at its highest point. Glad it's working for you though. Maybe greasing the tab helps in some odd way.
very good explanation thanks chris
You say in order to set initial timing on an A to B timing, you need a B valve cover.... don't you mean a B timing gear cover? The B valve cover won't fit the A , but the B timing cover, with it relocated timing pin will.
Did I say valve cover? Oops. Thanks for the correction.
Does this work well with the High compression head 6:1?
6:1 is the highest I would go with this accessory, and I would be listening for engine knock under heavy load. If you get knock, I would re-time the engine with the spark lever 1-2 notches down and then either put the lever back at the top full-time (move the entire timing curve down) or be prepared to do so if you hear the knock again. But my understanding is that people do run these with the Snyder's 6:1 heads and it's usually fine.
@@alexiskai Thank you!
Great video, having horn troubles with mine right now! Going to try taking it apart to see if I can repair it! Wish me luck!🤞🏻
Good luck! Let me know how it turns out.
@@alexiskai Will do. Might make a video on it if it’s not too bad. I’ll tag this video of yours if that’s okay with you? Thanks!👊🏻
@@32modelbford39 sure thing. It would be great to have a video on a ‘32 horn so people could see how they’re different from a Model A horn.
You're being too critical. Get it close and move the lever while driving to set the timing. That accurate of TDC is only needed if you are running distributor with a built in advance. If you are just toss the timing light on it - rev it to max advance RPM and set it with a timing light.
Hi Alexis. Great video. Thank you. Is it possible to separate the engine from the transmission and only pull the engine out, leaving the transmission in place? I just need to do an engine swap. Thank you.
Yes, removing only the engine is quite common and somewhat easier. I chose to show the harder version. To remove the engine, you'll need to support the transmission with something - a jack, or blocks - and then disconnect the bell housing from the flywheel housing. As you pull the engine forward and up, the splined main drive gear should slide out of the flywheel and release the engine from the transmission. Good luck!
Have you done this before the video??
Looks like your removing the engine and trans. Much simpler to pull just the motor.
Where did you get your plug wires?
I made them, using Model T parts from Snyder's. They carry something very similar, pre-made, as part #T-5029-BS. However those wires are a lot longer. I bought the wire and the brass connectors separately, cut the wire to the length I needed for each plug, and used a large pair of pliers to bend and crimp the connectors.
Thank you@@alexiskai
Fantastic - I wish that you would show tightening the screws so viewers have an idea of how to correctly torque them.
The only one you maybe need to put a little oomph into is the cam screw. Otherwise hand tight should be fine. I tend to cut the parts where I'm attaching screws - first because I'm sort of a clumsy guy and second because the overhead camera means I would need to hold the workpiece at an odd angle so you could see what I was doing.
This is pretty funny
Very informative. Thank you.
Very well done video. Clear concise instructions on rebuilding a B distributor. I believe your explanation of the purpose of the condenser and the production of the spark is just a bit off, if I may. The longer dwell, the time the points are closed, allows the primary windings of the coil to draw more current creating a stronger magnetic field. The condenser absorbs the the energy, or arcing, that would occur as the points open. The arcing would interfere with the instantaneous collapse of the magnetic field of the primary windings that induces a much larger voltage in the secondary windings which directs that energy to the spark plugs. If the condenser is weak the points will eventually burn from the arcing and the spark will be much weaker or non existent as the primary magnetic field only partially collapses or not at all. The B condenser has more capacitance because the longer dwell time means more current flowing to the primary windings and more current trying to arc across the points. I'm looking forward to more of your videos.
I think I agree with all this? What's the timestamp of the part you thought needed more clarity?
@@alexiskai I must have cut to your video on Condenser Testing and Theory that you mention at ~ 32:14. In that video, when you describe the function of the condenser, I believe you may be conflating its function with the capacitors in a Capacitive Discharge Ignition. In the Kettering system the sole function of the condenser is to absorb the energy as the points open so they don't arc. You are correct in that no current flows into the condenser because it represents a higher resistance than the closed points. Once the points begin to open the current flows into the condenser instead of arcing across the small space between the points. When the current stops flowing into the condenser the magnetic field suddenly collapses and produces the high voltage spike in the Secondary windings and delivers the spark. So the condenser really only there to absorb the arcing and assist the collapse of the primary windings. One reference on Kettering systems is here: www.ratwell.com/mirror/users.mrbean.net.au/~rover/ketterin.htm.
@@thomasdejohn9347 I think I see what you're talking about. So the point of clarification is, does the condenser act *only* to prevent arcing at the contacts. I think that is by far the most important action, but it's not the only thing going on. If that were the only factor, it wouldn't really matter how "large" the condenser is, i.e., how high its capacitance. But that's not true in practice. Experiments with other Kettering system engines have shown that there is an optimal size (in practice, a range of sizes) for a condenser for a given engine. The condenser should be large enough to prevent arcing, but no larger. The reason is that a larger condenser will provide a path for the current for a longer time after the points open. The Kettering system is a type of tuned circuit, meaning a circuit containing an inductor and a capacitor. When the points open, current resonates (oscillates) back and forth between the coil and the condenser. The amplitude and frequency of the resonance are correlated. As the condenser gets larger, it absorbs current for longer, and the "back-pressure" voltage with which it feeds current back into the circuit decreases. This causes the amplitude and frequency of the resonance to decrease. This is important because the amplitude of the resonance is what creates the voltage in the secondary winding. Higher amplitude = higher spark voltage. There's a great demonstration of this in antique outboard motors that I will link to below. On p. 6 of the linked document, you can clearly see how the size of the condenser affects the spark voltage. That's why I mention the "back-pressure" effect of the condenser in the video and I think that's what you were picking up on. wrcoutboards.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Part3_Sizing_Condensers_Correctly.pdf
@@alexiskai Thanks, I read that article and yes your reference to a "back pressure" effect of the condenser is what I found misleading. The article you've cited explains that the collapse of the primary magnetic field generates several hundred volts in the primary and tens of thousands of volts in the secondary to cause the arc across the spark plug gap. Those several hundred volts generated in the primary would also arc across the point gap if it were not for a condenser of the right capacity to absorb just enough of that energy to prevent the arc on the points but not enough to lower the primary voltage amplitude enough to adversely affect the secondary voltage. There is essentially no discussion of a "back pressure" or any "feeding back" into the circuit. The article concludes " . . . that the condenser size is FAR from critical; anything large enough to quench the arcing cross your points is all you need."
@@thomasdejohn9347 He doesn't discuss it in print but you can see in the oscilloscope diagrams he includes that the resonance is there. How could it exist if there weren't a reverse voltage across the coil primary winding caused by the capacitor discharging? This section of the Wikipedia page on LC circuits gives a nice summary: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit#Operation I agree with you that dissipating the arc at the points is 95% of the job of the condenser, but insofar as I was trying in that video to give a reasonably complete description of the electrical activity, it would be misleading not to discuss what happens when the condenser discharges. I might have given it too much prominence.
To clarify my question about calibrating... I'm referring to the position of the knob. If you adjust it to the point that the 2 electrodes touch each other, where is the knob reading? Is it all the way to the left of the red section? Other?
On my unit, the two knobs are slightly offset, so they don't come together point-to-point. When they touch, the knob reads in the center of the red zone.
why work in mm?
I guess because the math is easier to do in your head, and with digital calipers you can get the readout in any units you want.