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@@Holistra it takes 5 min to make, just place a foundation with a junction on it, build 2 more junctions, build the valves, connect the pipes to everything, delete the foundation

@@deadcell66 full pipes has no impact on wether they are working well or not, a water tower is the equivalent of a very large pipe and has no impact either. Any source other than a pure oil node maxed out will give you less than 600 per min, just don't have 600 per min in a pipe unless you have to

@@siriuscowking Righty. Fluid mechanics are still confusing to me. This system does seem to work amazingly! So thanks for that. Now I'm just wondering if it would be wise to use more simplified versions of this on other machines that provide fluids as well, like refineries, mixers, fluid storage. Or is this only applicable when you're dealing with full pipes?

@@FynnR this example was built in the lagoon, go all the way north in the map, toward the middle of it. Theres a lot of crude oil in that area and easy access to water which makes it ideal for diluted fuel and basic oil products, a bit harder for turbo and rocket fuel. Most resources were belted in for the purpose of the video, which makes for very long belts, the nitric acid was actually sitting in a container and unpackaged on site for convenience. You can always do part of the process there, then transport the fuel with very long pipes to a better location before turning it to turbofuel, otherwise bring in the rest of the ingredients with long belts. Remember that if you want to transport a liquid by belt instead of pipes you'll need to return the empty canisters with another belt, that being said once you build your supports its not difficult to just build a 2nd belt, and make sure you have enough empty canisters, and possibly a container in the loop as buffer.

@@consciencelibre4223 planco 1 you have 16 choices of colors for each, planco 2 has easier pathing tools still with choices

@@leGUIGUI Here in canada we mesure time in maple syrup per year and then convert to whatever number of hours it takes to reach that number. For some reason I didn't even realized it was seconds...

@@siriuscowking actually, looking again at your numbers, I realised I was a bit mistaken as it is the seconds you divided by 60 (28/60= 0.467) so what you actually did was converting seconds into minutes. which make sense seeing most flow rates in Satisfactory are rated per minutes. Your "metric minutes" are simply minutes.😅

bro thank you so much. i spent 2 weeks on my alternate turbo fuel refinary and still have some refinaries in the yellow...will try some of these

@@thehuggz-i9k for aluminum I have a very simple setup in my other video, the safety strat is to have multiple small network of pipes and pumping in only the water needed to make sure the water doesn't clog in the machine

@@Piecesxiii a fluid buffer simply holds a lot of liquid like a big pipe, the limit of the flow is still 600 per min, it does not solve the problem

@@drachenchunter yeah thats very useful to quick fix a setup manually, I use it to test my systems, as long as the numbers no longer go up I know there's no accumulation somewhere

@@deeteeohbee6794 montreal

Also. Valves aren’t really broken at lower capacity, they just behave poorly in general. A full pipe has a work pressure of 100%, which allows maximum throughput. So a mk2 pipe with 600 fluid running through it will only push that 600 when the pipe is full. A half full pipe will push less. (Not sure if it’s linear so don’t want to say 300). A valve is weird where it both acts and doesn’t act like a pipe. A valve will only push the amount of liquid it’s limited to if and only if the pipe feeding it is full. However, considering the use cases for attempting this, the input pipe will almost never be full. So, in short, don’t use valves as limiters lol.

gas doesn't actually flow, it just sort of fills the entire system at the same rate, so as long as you have enough flow capacity you will never have any problem

With gases it is all about pressure. So, no.

I have had the game running on this save file for over 300h now in 1.0 and it's still running at 600 with the setup shown in the video. I know I "shouldn't" need the valves, but it works with them. Let's remember that this is a video game, not real physics, sometimes you need these things for them to work properly

@@siriuscowking Oh, cool. Thanks. Then they fixed it to 0.8, and now. The lift above was not necessarily because of real physics. The algorithm sees everything as a volume, and each liquid has a dynamic number. If a pipe network is on the same level, a fraction of the volume moves from the higher to the lower level. If you filled a tank with water and made a huge splitter with like 9-27 pipes coming out and merging into a new tank it used to swap back and forth basically forever. If you have an elevation change it fills every volume on the same level first. As machines consume and have a buffer they are basically never full. The valve and pumps cut the backflow completely, so they serve the same purpose for the most part.

@@nebula600 the method I suggest in my basic liquid tutorial is the simplest way to deal with liquid byproduct, just throw it back in the loop. As long as there is no power shortage, there will never by a missing item input. On that same note, you should always have an awesome sink to deal with the overflow. If you are the kind of player who doesn't keep an eye on their power usage and also don't have a reserve battery, then you might want to consider using the liquid on a 2ndary production. That being said, making more power plants isn't difficult considering the amount of rocket fuel you can make for even just 150 crude oil, see my next video.

@@siriuscowking Oh don't worry, I would give ANYTHING to make my power chart 2 straight lines. Technically just for my OCD, but of course the good part is if something isn't at 100% efficiency, I can read that off from the power chart which would be AMAZING, if not for those things that consume/produce power in an oscillating way.😡

There is a slight difference in numbers when using the alternate to rocket fuel, for 100 fuel you make 150 rocket instead of 138.88, but it uses more nitrogen and more sulfur. Due to the amount of oil available worldwide, I believe it is more valuable to use the basic recipes, and it's not like you need more rocket fuel than you can already make. But yes, it is an option, and does give clean numbers.

I was planning on a rocket fuel VS ionized fuel video, I could include a simple setup in it to show the process, this of course would include turbo fuel and diluted fuel

@@siriuscowking Ionized is actually fun, I am building a setup that will output 1200 ionized fuel per minute only using SAM, water, oil, coal and nitrogen. Alt recipes ftw haha (oops will be more like 2400 since I'll be boosting my final stage with sloops)

Using a water tower?

@@Miglow Nope, just normal pumps right after the water extractors. By now, I have experimented a bit and I think the main issue is that MK2 pipes can't reliably transport 600/min, while MK1 pipes can reliably transport 300/min. I don't know what the threshold is after which MK2 pipes "break", but I'm successfully using them sparingly in places where 600/min are not needed.

that's not always an option or fit the design of what you're doing, if anything I'm doing that on a small scale

@@siriuscowkingYou may be right. I always design my factories around the feeding from the top principle so I wouldn't know

even if the pipe is saturated, the liquid will flow in both directions unless going down a slope

@@siriuscowking Do you consider this a bug or more of a feature of the fluid system?

No unlike belts fluids will flow in any direction and accumulate at the lowest point. This is intentional, as it's low compute approximation of what liquids in pipes would do.

that does not prevent backflow at the first junction

@@siriuscowking in a pipe loop, backflow only happens when the connected production machines are not able to consume all of the incoming flow. So, while you're, technically correct, it doesn't matter because if you built enough production machines, no backflow will happen. Edit: Oh and even if it did, both directions would need to be simultaneously blocked for it to cause the extractor to accumulate fluid to it's buffer.

@@siriuscowking you dont need to prevent backflow. If the system is full, and looped, and you are using the same amount that is being produced, you will have no "effective" backflow. (it will still occur through your system between every segment of pipe because pipes are bi directional, and fluid will always flow toward where there is none - which will result in fluid flowing both ways (backflow) out of all segements anytime a machine gulps down fluid (which it does far faster than pipes can fill back up) the internal buffer on machines is a *good* thing and it should be full, because it helps smooth out small variances in the way liquid flows back and forth down pipe systems, letting sometimes more liquid is in that section than needed and sometimes less. with 100% full (Volume) pipes slosh/backflow is not a problem. Fill your pipes before turning on machines, turn machines on in sequence letting pipes fill up again in between, and you will not have issues with backflow at all.

Ever since pipes were introduced I have been having to help friends fix their pipe networks and in every case they had their network set up in an overly complex manner and purely simplifying it fixed all of their problems. Typically, they have a bunch of valves or pumps set up in an attempt to fix the issue of the overly complex network and are frustrated. I do as Lynx said, I loop half my liquids to the far end of my manifold and feed half from each end and have had zero issues since the beginning in my own networks. I have never used valves and only have used a pump in the rare case I need more head-lift, which is rare since I always try to build my fluid networks on ground level.

Ve says that he's had issues with valves when set to any intermediate value.

if your pipes are ever not full (VOLUME not FLOW) behind the valve, it will *not* send 300 m3 through the valve.

this is not about setting specific values, it's about making sure a full 600 flows out

they are pretty simple once you understand the basics, check out my other video for that

The pipe coming out of your extractor needs to hit 600.

yet there is. They fixed the floating point values. I have multiple oil extractors which run at 600 cubic meters at 100% efficiency with 0 trouble if you remove sloshing and have a good setup.

@@joshuasteffanie947 coffee stain posted a video less than a week ago basically saying it will never be fixed.

​@@FraterAlephyou got a link? Because this specifically says its fixed ua-cam.com/video/ASfKo0dKBbU/v-deo.htmlsi=nIXOuorHdAImGZTH

@@FraterAleph which video says that because i've heard several times in stream that they specifically said it is fixed.

a pure oil node maxed out is exactly 600, that is the only situation where it can't be avoided

that's not always an option, besides you'll most likely have an issue at the first junction either way if you only count on that

Same for me. I can’t think of a single time my problem was that oil wasn’t going fast enough. Always something with a manifold, a part of the production chain not being correctly optimized, something like that