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Link VS The Tarnished - Who Would Win?
In today’s video, I’ll be looking at the feats of the two most recent silent protags in gaming that’s been making some noise lately, the Tarnished from the Elden Ring Universe and Link from the Legend of Zelda franchise and comparing them to see who would come out on top. Does Link beat the entirety of the Elden Ring Pantheon? Does the Tarnished solo? Or is it closer than you think?
SOURCES:
Elden Ring In-Game Descriptions
CGWorld Vol.286
The Overture of Elden Ring
A Link To The Past Strategy Guide
Ocarina of Time Nintendo Strategy Guide
Majora’s Mask Strategy Guide
Hyrule Historia
Legend of Zelda Encyclopedia
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Link is the main protagonist in Nintendo’s “The Legend of Zelda” video game series. He is often depicted as a courageous hero who embarks on quests to rescue Princess Zelda and defeat the antagonist, Ganon, across not just era’s but also across other timelines while navigating the fantasy world of Hyrule.
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Could Luffy Beat Gremmy?
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In this video, I go over if Monkey D. Luffy has the capacity to contend with Gremmy Thoumeaux. Gremmy is a character from the manga and anime series Bleach where he can imagine whatever he wants into reality, and Luffy is from the legendary series known as One Piece where in Gear 5 he seems to be able to fight with imagination. Today, I go over who I think wins this matchup, going over both cha...

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  • @THEMIGHTYQBAG
    @THEMIGHTYQBAG 5 днів тому

    I think it'd come down to who can parry better or more consistent. With Link parrying Ganondorf using an empty bottle I don't think the Tarnished could compete with those Ultra Instinct levels of parry

  • @magnaz26
    @magnaz26 6 днів тому

    How far does Gremmy get in Torikoverse?...

  • @immortal_jairo88
    @immortal_jairo88 11 днів тому

    Dark Souls impregnate Loz botw and give birth to Elden Ring.

  • @basezynn4500
    @basezynn4500 17 днів тому

    I feel like the Norse games have the most interesting monsters or primordial forces lore wise

  • @josha2840
    @josha2840 17 днів тому

    Valhalla def did wonders for the bro’s adaptation it’s arguably on Goku’s level of not above it

  • @riccard1n0
    @riccard1n0 28 днів тому

    Coming back to this video after 9 months. Are you still around or did you quit YT? If you are still thinking of doing others video on power scaling, ever gonna make another Tarnished focus scaling with the DLC? Also for curiosity, what do you think about CSAP Tarnished scaling (the one which consider Outer lvl via conceptual manipulation)

  • @encrion6011
    @encrion6011 Місяць тому

    Would’ve loved if surtr just squared up with Odin, no giant mode just casually lol

  • @Zenithzz
    @Zenithzz Місяць тому

    how far do you think a ragnarok monster gets in the greek world?

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy Місяць тому

      Hercules or Zeus in terms of raw might. In terms of hax, the Sisters of Fate prolly got everyone in the Norse World beat icl.

  • @RAFFAMEMES_2.0
    @RAFFAMEMES_2.0 Місяць тому

    your body is composed of black holes and cosmic phenomena.

    • @saiyanofmemes1082
      @saiyanofmemes1082 Місяць тому

      Kinda misinterpreting the artbook statement which I assume you have due to saying this, the artists used black holes and cosmic phenomena as inspiration for the visual design process to influence the rocky hollow form. The in-universe composition is a combination of multiple primordial elements. Surtr kinda explained the prerequisites for it.

  • @kirby3219
    @kirby3219 Місяць тому

    You bring up the moon spells, but you neglected to bring up the fact that Link could technically block or absorb the moon attacks w/ the mirror shield. The Mirror Shield inandofitself is not magic in any form, so it would have no initial effect. Then the absorption would take place, and Link could send it right back at the Tarnished, thus removing magic from BOTH of their arsenals as a viable source of damage due to both characters having counters to attacks from the other. In bare bones vanilla fighting tactics, which is what the fight would come down to at the end, Link has more combat experience to draw from, so he'd evidently win the fight against the Tarnished in this manner.

    • @Doommarine-sr8y
      @Doommarine-sr8y Місяць тому

      He already tackles that argument though. He says how the Tarnished has faced opponents that could reflect magic back at them and has faced enemies that can literally mimic them, not to mention the tarnished also has spells and shield that could counter magic just like the mirror shield.

    • @sixzero2733
      @sixzero2733 22 дні тому

      @@Doommarine-sr8y yes so, like the other guy said it would come down to vanilla fighting with no magic

    • @Doommarine-sr8y
      @Doommarine-sr8y 22 дні тому

      @@sixzero2733 the video also talks about close combat and how it could possibly end, I’m not going to repeat what the UA-camr said, all I’m going to say is rewatch the video because he does bring it up.

  • @megakazuya123
    @megakazuya123 Місяць тому

    A few responses: ___ First off, OoT or LttP link wins, though any other version probably loses. Link has identical physicals and superior resistances to magic (specifically dark and black magic) courtesy of the Triforce. The source of the Triforce (the Goddess Hylia) is arguably superior to the Elden Beast, going based off of each game's conceptual lore. You cannot powerscale the Tarnished (or any Soulsborne MC) by the enemies they defeat, because the enemies in ER can be defeated based on player-specific builds which are not canon to the lore. The Tarnished is as powerful as the player's build. When debating the Avatars (e.g the Ashen One, the Good Hunter, etc) they must be debated from the perspective of the story and cutscenes. A common mistake that you Soulsborne debators make is the assumption that the Avatar will have all the items and abilites that exist in the game at the time of the fight -- which is ludacris. The lore-accurate Tarnished would lose. If this is the composite version (as in, he/she has access to every ability, item and weapon in ER), they would lose to a composite Link. ___ Death Battle are basically a collection of normies. They are not to be taken seriously. They do surface-level "research", that is often wrong or intellectually dishonest. Remember that these are the people who said that Raiden could cut through Adamantium, a substance that cosmic forces could not break, based on a scan of Admantium Beta *(a far less durable version of Adamantium, meant to be mass-produced).* These people are a joke and their videos/opinions should be considered entertainment--nothing else. ___ Ganondorf was "the biggest threat to Hyrule" in that he was successful in essentially destroying it. This is not a power-scalling feat and statements are not quantifiable. This was a subjective statement that you are taking literally for the purposes of your argument. If I say "Lex Luthor is the biggest threat to the planet", that doesnt magically make him stronger than Superman. It means that the threat he poses overall is bigger, likely because he has deeper pockets and connections than Kal. Ganondorf is essentially an avatar of Demise, so he is -- quite literally -- inferior to Demise. Demise also never said that Ganondorf would be stronger, he simply said that -- through Ganondorfs -- his (Demise's) hatred will live on. _____ The Tarnished cannot dodge light, I hate when weebs make this stupid argument too btw: There is a difference between video game-mechanics and actual physics. In ER, the player is able to dodge "beams of light" because (1) they are reacting to the clearly telegraphed attack *BEFORE* it actually comes down, (2) *the beams in the game are not actually lightspeed,* unless you are suggesting that gamers have "faster than light" reflexes and (3) in combination with the previous two, the beams are in a fixed location that are easy to telegraph and dodge. To claim a character is FTL, you must provide a legitimate feat of them dodging a confirmed FTL attack (such as a cuscene), not a game mechanic. This is like when people say "Cloud has Star-Level durability because he survived Supernova", when the entire party can survive/wipe on SN based on a *GAME MECHANIC!* This also applies to Link deflecting back balls of light that are clearly and obviously not moving at light speed. The same also applies to dodging bullets, in that there is a difference between dodging a bullet and dodging the barrel of a gun (preemptively) before the bullet is fired. Provide a scan, cutscene or instance *(that is not connected to the player's build or game mechanics)* of the Tarnished dodging light and I will believe that this is possible. The Tarnished can be tagged by Milenia, the Valliant Gargoyle and other low-level beings; *they are not "faster than light."*

    • @jasonelpelotudo
      @jasonelpelotudo 18 днів тому

      this video went down hill when the author started to measure/talk about speed feats. None of these two characters can go at/beyond lightspeed. Lol

    • @tmb379
      @tmb379 12 годин тому

      The tarnished posses Immeasurable Speed due to fighting placidusax outside of time. And if you get tagged by malenia or the gargoyles its not a anti feat for the tarnished but shows that maybe you need to giT GuD

  • @quezzy223
    @quezzy223 Місяць тому

    I think it made him stronger in a more profound way but not in a way that made his physical stats go up

  • @RAFFAMEMES_2.0
    @RAFFAMEMES_2.0 Місяць тому

    yes, Kratos post Valhalla is stronger than his former self when he entered

  • @treymon2423
    @treymon2423 Місяць тому

    Imo no, there’s just no evidence to suggest that to be the case unless you wank tyr

  • @LucasGrogan-l8k
    @LucasGrogan-l8k Місяць тому

    Me personally sekiro for many reasons but the main one… he’s cool.

  • @botellopiedraleonelcristob6366
    @botellopiedraleonelcristob6366 Місяць тому

    We are Forgetting that "The Fierce Deity Mask" and "The Light Bow" exist with this One 🗣️🗣️🔥😂

  • @orlandojosemoraamaya363
    @orlandojosemoraamaya363 Місяць тому

    Question, marth vs link

  • @ashuraomega1000
    @ashuraomega1000 2 місяці тому

    Do Sonic vs Kratos

  • @guillermoaguirre8570
    @guillermoaguirre8570 3 місяці тому

    Link wins

  • @fwflygon14
    @fwflygon14 3 місяці тому

    I do disagree for several reasons. I think Gremmy has win cons but Luffy also Has win cons too 1. I personally believe op can scale higher to planetary via AP haki does grant a power multiplier, and considering the base, adv armament haki, adv coc 2. Speed. FTL feats were present in the pre-time skip as lightspeed reaction feats and likely can scale to high FTL+ to MFTL by wano. 3. Luffy would have a few win cons such as having future sight he could be able to predict what Gremmy can do, and can theoretically kill him with the high internal organ damage. 4. this is a personal nitpick but I don't like using versal equalization I think is far more interesting and compelling to do no versal equalization if you're going in depth about a battle. However, I don't believe that being significantly more powerful makes you immune to hacks, even in stories where that rule is present it would be far better not to do that for verses battle across verses as it shows bias and judgment as you nerf other characters properly. 5. I'm gonna say this, but yeah it just hax. creation feats are ambiguous. When Gremmy creates space he just creates a void of space, even if he created a galaxy he never used it to attack or do anything with said creation. Only using it to devoid the space of oxygen. The best attack feat is the meteor but I think he can scale to moon to planet level. A good video by Steinixos can explain further. I know people will heavily disagree but I believe bleach scaling comes from a lot of statements that are vague or difficult to prove.

    • @kidgoku3763
      @kidgoku3763 3 місяці тому

      Gremmy meteor is way above moon level. Gremmy scales to his creations

    • @kidgoku3763
      @kidgoku3763 3 місяці тому

      What statements are you talking about?

    • @fwflygon14
      @fwflygon14 3 місяці тому

      @@kidgoku3763 Not how it works

  • @Moesdef
    @Moesdef 3 місяці тому

    Nah yall we Bodyin link .. lmao sorry we still love you bro

  • @trouble001
    @trouble001 4 місяці тому

    Madara

  • @SacredBlaziken
    @SacredBlaziken 4 місяці тому

    There's literally an Item description.you pick up from the Corpse of Midra's wife thaf states he is too weak to be a true Lord

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy 4 місяці тому

      Yet is called a Lord of Frenzied Flame in his boss fight and manifests the mark as one (Frenzied Seal description). I explain what the "weakness" is in reference towards in the context of Frenzied Flame lore. Vyke even failed to be a true Lord of Frenzied Flame because he was too weak to find the balance between madness and control and fell into madness. Listen to all of Hyetta's dialogue, being a lord of this chaotic power is taking on the mantle to control all sins, torment, despair in existence plus the relentless nature of the flame itself while being a vessel for it.

  • @elespectadorsinlimites154
    @elespectadorsinlimites154 4 місяці тому

    IT IS CANON, timelines exist in gow

  • @justinwilliams3392
    @justinwilliams3392 4 місяці тому

    Bro you still making videos in the future

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy 4 місяці тому

      Yea 💀, I promise I didn’t forget about y’all bro I just prioritize quality over quantity and the drawback of that is patience

  • @treymon2423
    @treymon2423 4 місяці тому

    But how does the ending of these games work? The ending for the card game can’t be canon given the fact that the Norns imply all timelines and the choices made in them were too predictable thus all of them led to Ragnarok but for the board game I have no clue lol

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy 4 місяці тому

      Yes, the card game as part of its game mechanics and design offers an alternate reality to play out if Baldur doesn’t die and Ragnarok is averted. You still have a game to play fundamentally so a start and a end need to be present mechanically. However we know in Ragnarok which is the main storyline that canonically the Norns said Kratos’s choices are predictable despite only meeting the main Kratos once in person so that implies they’ve seen the choices he’s made across these alternate realities and that Ragnarok is inevitable.

    • @elespectadorsinlimites154
      @elespectadorsinlimites154 4 місяці тому

      IT IS CANON, timelines exist in gow

    • @jhevgainz2307
      @jhevgainz2307 Місяць тому

      The board game is kratos being in the dream realm so he more so fights all his previous Greek and Norse foes till he wakes up basically

  • @JUST_SOME_SHY_GUY
    @JUST_SOME_SHY_GUY 5 місяців тому

    Princess Zelda >>> Ranni

  • @kyronhoward9935
    @kyronhoward9935 5 місяців тому

    Mazinger Z vs Getter Robo?

  • @justsimplestuff602
    @justsimplestuff602 5 місяців тому

    thank you for having good elden ring scaling finally

  • @305thief8
    @305thief8 5 місяців тому

    MORE BLEACH!!!!

  • @MananSaini-h3q
    @MananSaini-h3q 6 місяців тому

    Link wins this

  • @redking8243
    @redking8243 6 місяців тому

    What's the source for the scan that talks about the concepts of space and time becoming ambiguous?

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy 6 місяців тому

      The Overture of Elden Ring! At the end of the book they cover dark souls, demon souls, bloodborne & even sekiro.

    • @redking8243
      @redking8243 6 місяців тому

      @@TheRogueGuy thanks man

  • @DRENIC10
    @DRENIC10 6 місяців тому

    I didn't see the video yet. But Tarnished No Diff Link. Get Gud

  • @theheartofsouls738
    @theheartofsouls738 6 місяців тому

    Knowing The Tarnished can manipluate concepts by fighting is overkill. Link stands no chance unless he has the completed triforce.

    • @KeiTh0r
      @KeiTh0r 5 місяців тому

      I love Link I really do but the man gets washed like dirty laundry on a Sunday

    • @sixzero2733
      @sixzero2733 22 дні тому

      how comes when i play elden ring my tarnished doesnt manipulate concepts is mine bugged?

  • @KamiTenchi
    @KamiTenchi 6 місяців тому

    I did not think The Tarnished was this powerful. He might be equal or slightly above Sora. Really Impressive.

  • @InGodshands7
    @InGodshands7 6 місяців тому

    A laser or beam of light not hitting you doesn’t mean you’re light speed. The shooter just MISSED.

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy 6 місяців тому

      In this context that’s just an argument from ludonarrative dissonance. This kind of logic is atrocious and your using it to dismiss lightspeed scaling bc the constraints of the mechanics of a Miranda flower who happens to shoot beams of light or an enemy that can shoot lasers present it a certain way in the mechanics when the lore straight up says something else. It’s 2024 going on 2025, understand the limitations of video games for them to be balanced and playable, and to not use these limitations to suit your headcanon. Both of these statues and flowers are legit fodder in the grand scheme of things and this is your rebuttal lmao. It prolly would work against someone who doesn’t know the ins and outs of video game design.

  • @lilray2942
    @lilray2942 6 місяців тому

    I think link takes this the triforce alone makes him invincible he also has infinite magic and he can also turn into fierce deity link who can definitely blitz the tarnished

    • @kirby3219
      @kirby3219 Місяць тому

      Tarnished's moon spells counter infinite magic, sealing it away and rendering them more defenseless towards magic abilities. Link's only counter to this is the Mirror Shield.

  • @knxights
    @knxights 6 місяців тому

    gremmy would just take away the one thing luffy has: will power

  • @daemonkaoticoneutro
    @daemonkaoticoneutro 6 місяців тому

    The Link from LTTP Is the most OP of all games and the one with more experience

  • @Chris-gx1ei
    @Chris-gx1ei 7 місяців тому

    Even if the Triforce had to manifest itself, it obeys the one who *touched* it first, a single touch (and a balance of Courage, Power and Wisdom to prevent the split of it if you don't wanna work to unify it) grands you and ONLY you access to infinite power in the form of Omnipotent Wishes for as long as you live. Meaning contact with this object gives you the Potential of becomming (almost) equal to the Christian God. It is indeed possible for the Triforce to have multiple owners at once, this would prevent someone else of becomming Omnipotent if he has to kill those first who shared their wish with the Triforce, so if both somehow Touch it at the same time this technically evens both out (if it would be put against each other it might be interesting to see, since it's infinity vs infinity then)

  • @Bman_productions737
    @Bman_productions737 8 місяців тому

    If you think about it the fight sums up to a tie because both characters will come back in some way or another

  • @exwardd9629
    @exwardd9629 8 місяців тому

    Had me until it was Time instead of Wild, ngl

  • @ZeldaMultiverseUnderrated
    @ZeldaMultiverseUnderrated 8 місяців тому

    Aw man, what a shame. When is Nintendo gonna make the Legend of Zelda series more OP featuring conceptual scaling?

  • @porobotboyxxx
    @porobotboyxxx 8 місяців тому

    Can’t disagree with the outcome.

  • @porobotboyxxx
    @porobotboyxxx 8 місяців тому

    17:58-19:12 Didn’t Ganondorf open a rift between dimensions in the Forest Temple just to punish Phantom Ganon for losing to Link?

  • @porobotboyxxx
    @porobotboyxxx 8 місяців тому

    Link has also moved in, conquered and escaped the Shadow Temple that Shiek has stated that it absorbs Time.

  • @Goddess-of-rot54
    @Goddess-of-rot54 8 місяців тому

    What happened to your other vids

  • @brage456
    @brage456 8 місяців тому

    Question, can't link just seal the tarnished in the master sword?????

    • @kirby3219
      @kirby3219 Місяць тому

      On a technical level you could be right, but the Tarnished as a person on their own isn't inherently good or evil. It's the person controlling them that makes the Tarnished scales of morality like that tip from one side or the other. The Master Sword - The Blade of Evil's Bane - only seals if the intended target is actually evil. From the perspective of an outsider, the Tarnished in this fight is on a neutral path, and therefore would not be subject to the sealing magic of the Master Sword. Not to mention that in order to seal with the Master Sword, it's also required to have the power of the 7 sages, which in this battle Link does not have.

    • @jasonelpelotudo
      @jasonelpelotudo 18 днів тому

      no

    • @tmb379
      @tmb379 11 годин тому

      The tarnished will just get respawned by the greater will . When miquella puts you under his weird love spell you still get revived somehow eventhough you dont really die . So the greater will probably revives the tarnished as soon as he becomes incapable of completing his task.

  • @mylespeel9263
    @mylespeel9263 9 місяців тому

    The tarnished eviscerates link