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Good lesson indeed! And Awoo is one of the nicest people out there so pretty sure his worst "let him have it" behavior is not even close to what you would imagine :)

High barriers to entry indeed both for learning and mastering the game play but then also for dealing with complacent players who think they are the best. A lot of people share the same sentiment as you and unfortunately they are not wrong!

I stopped playing wow for awhile and wanted to come back and try it out again for shadowlands. In the first LEVELING dungeon i did, the group i was with was doing all sorts of skips with stealth classes and i had no idea where to go. I was on a mage and could follow with invis, but i told them i hadnt played in awhile and wasnt sure where to go, and was trying not to pull stuff accidently. They just flamed me and kicked me. Just reminded me of why i quit in the first place.

Everything has changed a lot, hasn't it? Sadly I don't think we'll ever get back that magical game that we fell in love with but they can certainly try to push back a little bit on that huge mess that we currently have in retail

Unfortunately that happens a lot :( Maybe it would help if there was another way to learn what to do in keys before you actually go in them...

Sadly true but at least stories like this one can hopefully make us think a little bit so we become a little bit better!

I agree that it takes a lot of time but I'll tell you that just switching to a different role and playing through the dungeons once taught me so much new things about them. Even small time investment can lead to better understanding and improvements so if you have the chance, give it a shot!

@@thelegendbehindthecow Oh I used to play every healer every patch but I'm just not wasting my time in a system designed to waste our time when we've asked for depletions to be removed and the grind to be cut down and they've done nothing.

Same here, I hope we helped a bit so more people can find his content :)

Yeah, that happens unfortunately. Try to either save a tempest / pwave for it so you can snipe from distance OR be very careful for a frontal if you move away from him to kill it. At the end you will always get to a run or two where the placement is not so horrible

@thelegendbehindthecow after a few below 10% trys I got lucky on the egg's spawn and finally kill him

@@wowkiarani Let's go! Well done and congratz :)

<3 Thank you. It was my first time doing anything like this!

Very happy we managed to get him on the podcast :)

That'd be great pls do this haha

Low key but I think that would be a change that will be enjoyed by both tanks and healers!

Haha, I wanted to take over the world all by myself!!! Low key though, I'm so happy to have him back. Much better to have someone else to guide the conversation and present a different POV :)

Yeah, I think we all can learn so much from that story alone! Great conversation, so happy we had Awoo on the podcast :)

I'm glad I could share that one. It's such a good reminder to be kind <3

Yeah, that was quite the story! My advise is, don't take it personal - whatever happens in the key, stays in the key. Learn from it, get the positives and then move on, don't bother with the negatives.

I really hope people get the chance to learn and improve. It's the best part of WoW.

Yeah, some things you just need to try! And yeah, class difference is huge this season. It matters so much not only what your tank is, but also what your healer can dispel and whether or not the DPS can help with it. Obnoxious design and balancing if you ask me!

Cheers! Check the Discord from the description. I have everything listed there, including Cell which is what I replaced Vuhdo with and the respective profiles for it.

Cheers! Here's what I use mostly, I open the talents before each key starts so if you watch the full recordings you can still from there as well: CIEA5ba6OK14IUITjS1kSUVJctZMYWGLzMjZmZZbmZmZmtxMGAAgBAAAAAAg2yMzihZGGzwWAAGYAA2GAAAEgZmltlWmZsYGMAMYmNM

Eh, the PTR will get fixed but I'm afraid that the season won't feel much better compared to S1 so yeah :(

Yeah, they will fix it but it's annoying because if you cannot get past certain boss or trash packs, you simply cannot get to the next part in order to test it :(

@@thelegendbehindthecow i haved played ptr myself but soo true.. sounds bad :( hope it will get better. what healer is most fun to heal as ? i know mist ? but i wanna have an alt healer :D cant figure it out! what is in your option ?

@@devel-rh6hy Early days to say, I expect a lot of changes and tuning to happen so MW can go from BIS to trash and other healers might become much better. Disc felt about the same as retail last week but they made more changes this week so dunno if it's going to be better/worse. Shaman feels good but the mana issues and the constant moving is obnoxious. It might end up being hpal again but I'd wait for us to get closer to release before making decisions :)

@@thelegendbehindthecow okay soo wait a bit :D and gear all healers to 625 ISh and be ready haha

@ Yeah, if you have the opportunity to do so, go for it. It's fun :)

Eh, I still think that they will fix them. Ion did say that many changes will be on the PTR at later cycles so it will get better. That first iteration though is INSANE

Thank you! That would be Cell - you can get the profile that I'm using from the Discord in the description if you'd like :)

I personally enjoy the gearing process and the progression at the start of the season. It did take a bit way too long on my main this time, which was not that enjoyable but overall I don't mind it there. However, when it comes to alts and you have to do everything all over again, that's when I start feeling like I don't want to be doing it.

Amen to that but alas, I don't think Blizzard will follow suit. Personally, I don't mind dispels in M+ as long as you are not prevented from dispelling them because of an affix or because you are the wrong class. But that's not always the case :(

Numbers seem balanced, yes. However, I wouldn't say it feels anywhere close to balanced if you go into AK and you don't have any poison dispels :(

Yep, there are examples with poison dispels this season as well which were obnoxious and next season just seems to shift from poison to disease but it's still the same concept :(

Them meta slaves would do be like that :D

And it shouldn't be that hard to implement :)

I think it would have been even better if SaucyJay was there since he plays Disc a lot more than me and would certainly contribute a lot more to the conversation but glad I had such a good guest to talk with even though I was alone :)

Now the idea has a lot of flaws but would you care explaining your point because you lost me there a bit :)

@@thelegendbehindthecow sure i'll make it quick and easy, most of the work in M+ is done by the tanks and healers and yet they get insulted and blamed the most. if there's raiting now they have no chance to learn and develop (especially new players) so why bother with random groups? just switch to dd and disappear into the masses.

@ May be we are talking about different ideas but if there's only positive voting that wouldn't change anything but let people be praised if they shine. The rest of the process will be the same and yes, it's lacking ways to learn the game but that's irrelevant to the system

You have some good points there because even if you are skilled player, the "metrics" that you use to rank someone are not exactly clear. Even something like WoWOP has problems like that because let's say, they are looking at healing output for healers. Why? If everyone plays good, healers don't have to heal much, will surely get outhealed by the tank, and it wouldn't matter if they are there or not apart from that huge AOE that comes and even if they heal a lot, missing one global kills the group and the key but good luck figuring that out through metrics. A system like that will probably have some merit only in higher keys and ratings but as stated in other comments, educating people how to play is what is needed in game and it would certainly not achieve that :(

I was with you pretty much up until your last point. I think to say DPS is 'Baby/easy mode' is pretty short sighted and kinda silly. Yes, Tanks need a wealth of knowledge on dungeon mechs and routes which puts more responsibility on their shoulders, as well as healers keeping the group alive, I'll give you that.... but DPS to me is far from ez mode. I main a fury warr and I recently started running 12s, I was thinking of trying to reach 15s max but tbh I doubt I will hit it before S02. In M+ the entire group needs to be on point. Being a DPS player (or at least attempting to be good at what you do,) is not just taking an axe or hammer to a chunk of rock and going "herp-derp-me-pump-meters", you have to take into account a lot about your own positioning, how to support the tank and try keep the group alive with group defensives (in the case of warrior, popping Rallying cry on a big pull.) M+ puts pressure on the entire group as a whole, not 1 or 2 roles - especially when you push into the higher tier keys (I say higher tier, pretty much anything above a 12 for me right now.) A miss step or badly timed kick/CD can be fatal.

They are in control of that - they can tune the AI on how good they can play or not. And also, even if they overtune them a bit and they still fail a mechanic, that tells you a lot. Some of them orbs that you need to soak are simply unreachable in some scenarios and that will help them to find this out

It's never going to fly.

That does sound indeed like "big brother is watching you" kind of thing, implementing interrupt police in-game :D It does sound interesting indeed though, I'll have a look, thanks!

You are not wrong. I kind of hope that a system like that can motivate people to play better and learn more so they can shine... but that's probably wishful thinking. They would need to implement more ways in-game that would allow people to learn how to play so they can be included more and then something like that would be just a cherry on top

@ again disagree, the way things are now used to never be an issue until they started making fights harder to keep up with addons

@ even so though, they should have to up the learning opportunities to be on par with the increased difficulty

@@thelegendbehindthecow I don’t think that really makes sense. The fights should just have never been developed to be harder due to third party programs (addons) they allow used in their game

The problem, I think, is the depletion mechanic and lack of proper avenues to make players learn how to play. Like, Delves are a right step, but depending on class/spec can be complete faceroll. Like as a prot warrior I can auto attack my win to victory there, sorta same as DPS but they do hit hard when DPS. But like, I know what I am doing, many others will max out their delve gear and go "Oh, I want to try M+". They have the gear, but not the knowledge. They have no way to keep practicing the mechanics that matter without penalty. Like if you brick a +6, or whenever it is that the death affix kicks in, you have to level that key back up just so you can fail at it again? Kicks are never made critically important in the game during any of the leveling content which is why you have dungeons where one person is responsible for half of the kicks and the other people don't even have it on their bars. The game does a terrible job of having a clear pathway towards learning core mechanics that make you a good/avg player

@ Good points there and I agree - this system will only go as far as to distinguish good players but it won't help the rest to become better at the game. Did you guys check the Mentorship clip / video and what do you think about it?

Yeah, this is more of a general request. I doubt that they will change the dungeon pool for S2 even if nobody likes ToP but asking is free, you never know!

@@thelegendbehindthecow i like top,it has good loot :p im more concerned on the tww dungeons than the returning ones

@@dalaraz1 You might be the only one liking ToP :D And yes, a lot to be concerned about unfortunately although it seems they are working on some changes for the dungeons. Time will tell!

@@thelegendbehindthecow i am reward driven so if theres good loot there,im fine with it,it worths my time. on the other hand i expect tww dungeons will be worse than TOP. In the end after playing a bit on ptr,what i can tell is, healers wont like this season.

@@dalaraz1 Loot aside, I'm afraid you might be right but I still hope there's time for them to make enough changes so healing ends up feeling better. Wishful thinking though..

That's true which is why I think there should be no option to rate someone low as I said in the video. You either vote positively if you think the player is good or you don't vote at all. If you then see someone has been voted MVP 75 times this season, you know what's up and if they have only 3-4 votes theeeeen sussy :)

thats not really true, especially the better you get. you outpace those people in that mindset very very quickly. in keys that a non-fresh character can complete, people understand where the damage is coming from and know that they really only died because they made a mistake

@timdeaner2542 thats very wishful thinking, always balancing at 0.2-0.6% and even there is plenty of clueless, toxic people just brute forcing by time investment, we had pugs leave key cause he got hit by frontal in first BL pull and various terrible examples. Ofc i agree % of that type of people is way smaller, but big enough

@ ive played from 0-3100 twice this season and have only ran into someone that blamed me for their death once, and it was in a 4 on my fresh alt. people die all the time. people rage all the time. you just ignore and move on

Yeah, I get that sentiment. I'm also happy if we all end up dying on the last boss and the BDK hero finishes the boss solo for the last 10%, that's pretty pog. However, there are also bad experience examples where someone stays there for 7 minutes solo just to prove a point and waste everyone's time. It's not all black and white and it would be nice if somehow they manage to find some middle ground that would make more people happy

Yeah, we kind of cooked this on the fly and dampening is surely not the way to go but something in those lines which would allow tanks to be back being immortal while still not being able to solo the whole dungeon. I think the lose dps for a bit is very interesting too, it would probably make it very obvious in the meters at the end who the good players are and what not. And that might be a bit toxic but it will also add something for the DPS players to focus on and be annoyed by similar to what tanks and healers need to deal with

I think you are referring to OmniCD - that's a separate addon that tracks the cooldowns of your party members and you can just go without it and not install it at all. If you do get it, it's highly customizeable as it lets you move them wherever you want and also let's you pick which ones to show

@@thelegendbehindthecow Thanks, that solved my issue indeed. guess i installed it but did not look into it. so it was showing up.

It's all settings! You can grab my "dark" profile from the Discord in the description for free! You can also check my Cell guide where I go over most of the options and how they work: ua-cam.com/video/AxriNNA9Jh8/v-deo.html

Yeah, depletes are quite different across the board on different key lvls. At the same time, if there are no depletes at all, you would progress a dungeon like if it's on a tournament realm, solve it in a few hours or a day and then you are done. Depletes add a different dynamic to the M+ gameplay style and personally I don't think it would be better if they are not there at all. Alas sensitive issue with no clear cut solution

So you are saying if your main is already at a certain level / threshold, whatever warbound gear you get will be higher level too? I think I would like that actually! Right now you can get drops from anywhere around 564 all the way up to 600 ilvl so something like that would close that gap and be very alt friendly

@ yes and if it’s locked behind the crest amount from m+ only. It means you need to learn the dungs properly. You can also add that you need to complete all 3-6-9 to be able to got past that key lvl. Do all 3s and you can freely do all keys between 1-6 and so on, stepping stones.

Yeah, a bit rushed as we came up with that as we were talking but pretty sure we can polish it a bit if that would be the way to go

You might be right. It's just that so many things happened to tanks that now we are looking for anything to propel them forward

Yeah, I get that. And if only people wouldn't die to mechanics that they know are coming....