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Wheels & Wrenches
Приєднався 11 бер 2013
Creating 4x4 and off road videos and tutorials since 2021.
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Leesville Lake 47" Musky 10-12-22
This fish had a huge head and skinny body compared to the 47" river fish. This fish appeared to be old, had beat up fins, large eyes and missing most of its' teeth.
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Musky Fishing in Eastern Ohio on the OH River
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47" musky caught in Sept of 2022 on a swimin' dog lure on the Ohio River in Jefferson County.
Smallmouth Bass Fishing - Stratton, Ohio
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Pre spawn smallmouth bass fishing from shore on the rip rap at New Cumberland Lock & Dam in Stratton, Ohio.
Wheels & Wrenches 2021 Season Highlights Part 2
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Wheels & Wrenches is based out of Eastern Ohio and primarily films in Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. This video shows some of our 2021 season highlights and fun times from our 4x4 adventures at Wellsville Yellow Creek, Southington Off Road, Stillwell Stompers, Doe Valley Rocks OHV.
4 Link 101: Offroad Basics
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This video scales a rear 4 link set up for a 4x4 off road rock crawler or Jeep, down to 1/10 scale to help show the motions of the axle and pinion throughout the suspension travel. This video shows various changes to the 4 link design, and illustrates the outcome of these changes.
Windrock Trail 15: W&W MJ Buggy
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Footage borrowed from Rip It Home UA-cam Channel from the October Bleepin Jeep Fan Ride at Windrock Park in Tennessee
The Day I Knew My Limited Slip Had to Go!
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I originally built and geared my front Ford Kingpin Dana 60 on a shoestring budget way back in 2010. And at the time this MJ Comanche buggy build was supposed to be a "budget build" on coils springs. At that time, I purchased a used factory spec Trac Lok limited slip clutch pack front diff carrier for $80 and thought it might get the job done. It was during this video on Blueberry Hill at South...
Wheels & Wrenches 2021 Season Highlights Part 1
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Wheels & Wrenches is based out of Eastern Ohio and primarily films in Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. This video shows some of our 2021 season highlights and fun times from our 4x4 adventures at Wellsville Yellow Creek, Southington Off Road, Stillwell Stompers, Doe Valley Rocks OHV.
Wellsville 2021 Turkey Shoot
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Every year the Saturday before Thanksgiving Wellsville offroad trails in Eastern Ohio is packed full of bikes, side by sides, Jeeps and crawlers of all shapes and sizes to have some last minute wheelin' fun before the winter cold sets in full force.
Wellsville UPPER ROCK GARDEN
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Upper rock garden lies on the East hillside above Sturgis and Slab Rock. Its a fairly technical rock crawl with large dry rocks and some elevation change. Great time for anyone with lots of suspension travel who doesn't mind body damage.
Wheels & Wrenches Birthday Ride at Wellsville
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3 sorry souls had to follow Matt Huffman through Wellsville, on a random Saturday in early November. Two flats, one smashed fender and one broken link bolt later, we finished the trail ride.
Ugly Trail Ledge Action (No Success) Wellsville, OH
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Hamid gets busy working on the ledge on Ugly Trail in his Toyota buggy. The wet and slippery conditions made it tough to get a bite on the 7 feet tall undercut nasty ledge. No successful attempts today.
REDBIRD TRAIL PREVIEW Wellsville, OH
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Wheels & Wrenches crew hikes the infamous new Redbird Trail at Wellsville, Ohio off road area. This trail is one of the most extreme trails you will find in the region. Not for the faint of heart!
WINDROCK Bleepin Jeep Fan Ride TRAIL 15
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The Extreme Group led by John Moore of Twisted Jeeps on Facebook tackles Trail 15 at Windrock at the Bleepin Jeep Fan Ride 2021.
14 Bolt 13 Bolt DIFF COVER TUTORIAL
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Tech info about upgrading your GM 10.5" FF 14 Bolt axle to a high clearance 13 bolt diff cover. How to shave your axle housing and how to reinforce the bottom of the housing to prevent cracking from being too thin.
ERIE SHORE Jeepers Wellsville Ride 9-19-21
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ERIE SHORE Jeepers Wellsville Ride 9-19-21
Dana 60 Lugnut 4x4 Brake Pad Upgrade & K&N Air Filter Tech
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Dana 60 Lugnut 4x4 Brake Pad Upgrade & K&N Air Filter Tech
Suzuki Samuri on Toyota axles plays on Obstacle Course at Southington Off Road Park
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Suzuki Samuri on Toyota axles plays on Obstacle Course at Southington Off Road Park
FULL THROTTLE Assault Supercharged 4.0L!
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FULL THROTTLE Assault Supercharged 4.0L!
Old School 1 Ton CJ7 on Leaf Springs One-shots 37 Heaven Obstacle!
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Old School 1 Ton CJ7 on Leaf Springs One-shots 37 Heaven Obstacle!
WOD LJ Chassis Jeep Buggy on 37 Heaven Trail
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WOD LJ Chassis Jeep Buggy on 37 Heaven Trail
Jeep LJ on 40" MTR Stickies Conquers 37 Heaven
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Jeep LJ on 40" MTR Stickies Conquers 37 Heaven
Sean Porter beats on his JKU at Stillwell
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Sean Porter beats on his JKU at Stillwell
Brian Luzier JKU on 42" Maxxis Stickies on Waterfall at Stillwell Stompers August Jamboree
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Brian Luzier JKU on 42" Maxxis Stickies on Waterfall at Stillwell Stompers August Jamboree
1 Ton Jeep Comanche Buggy with LS at Stillwell Stompers August Jamboree
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1 Ton Jeep Comanche Buggy with LS at Stillwell Stompers August Jamboree
Jason Adams SUPERCHARGED Jeep LJ BEATDOWN!!
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Jason Adams SUPERCHARGED Jeep LJ BEATDOWN!!
ONE TON TOYOTA Hamid Munteanu at Stillwell Stompers August Jamboree
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ONE TON TOYOTA Hamid Munteanu at Stillwell Stompers August Jamboree
Happy Jeepin It JKU on Extreme Trails at Stillwell Stompers August Jamboree
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Happy Jeepin It JKU on Extreme Trails at Stillwell Stompers August Jamboree
All good info! 👍
WB upper link high in the rear?
EDIT: by "rear" I meant at the chassis. My bad.
Thank you for this video
Buuut ideally you try to get...what? Universal joint should be parraler to another universal joint, to avoid resonanse.
Any tutorials on how to paint RC bodies
Very good demonstration
Are those highlighting sounds when you are showing the pictures come from gta vice city main memu? When scrolling thru main memu it also gives that sound in vice city
There will be no need for a thermostat then hey bro
Of course you need a thermostat lol
Thank you my friend
I was under the impression that if one u joint was bent you wanted another bend to counteract the oscillating speeds of the joints? Wouldnt "pointing it at the t case output" keep the joint straight which would produce vibration????
This is a rock buggy that goes 5mph
All double cardan driveshafts in Jeeps must point at the case output.
Maybe not be sucking on your tongue and sniffing snot when your filming.
I want to make a tool like that for experimenting with setups.. 3D printed maybe... 🤔
Man watching an LJ Buggy on 42" Reds struggle REALLY makes me wanna wheel here!!
The land is private. They have Public pre registration events every summer. Something happened last year and the landowners/club made a new rule for 2024 and beyond."no buggys and no tires larger than 40". Not sure why exactly
@@wheels.and.wrenches yeah the Stilwell Stompers event saw it on FB. Kinda sucks about the no tires bigger than 40s deal I plan on running 42s or 43s because of my new 116 WB with my YJs Unlimited stretch. I have family about 30 min from there too.
@14:35 I believe that’s actually idea for the front axle. You want to keep your steering straight.
Why isn't the LSD limiting Is it worn out?
A limited slip is engineered for 28-30" normal size stock vehicle tires. A 40" tire puts way too much leverage on the axle shaft, which over powers the LSD clutch pack. Not enough friction. Limited slips and posi traction units are great for small tire street cars. Or mild offroading with smaller tires. But you need a Detroit locker or Grizzly locker for offroading with large tires. I installed this Dana 60 Trac-Lok LSD in 2010 and had smaller tires then. Also this was a budget build back then.... so i was cutting corners. It now has a Grizzly locker front and rear.
But what if I want to put the lower link of the rear suspension parallel to the ground, and achieve 90-95% anti-squat? Do I need to mount the upper link on the rear axle higher, and make the front mount on the frame lower than the horizon?
Thats not possible unless your belly height was 15" off the ground. Your links would hit on every rock and you'd be hung up every 2 minutes on everything on the trail.
High antisquat is BAD for offroad. You're thinking of it backwards. Parallel links create a VERY low antisquat number. Meaning the ass end WILL squat, which is more of a drag racing set up for weight transfer to the rear if thats what they desire for traction. Most people want a happy-medium mid range antisquat number. Every application is different and trail & error is required.
@@wheels.and.wrenches Then why are the stock Jeep Wrangler Rubicon and Ford Bronco rear lower link parallel to the ground?
Any way you could illustrate a top down view of how the four links lengths and angles all react?? Sounds hard to do but would be cool!!
4 link angles looking from the top down dont do anything except provide lateral stability of the axle. The more triangulation, the more lateral stability your axle will have. Thats why 4 links dont require a track bar (pan hard).
Apparently all 4 link.The bars are supposed to be in a straight line with the vehicle or square.If you will a top down view you would see no movement at all unless you screwed up somewhere far as angles
I'm sorry Google Voice typing.I didn't mean to say in a parallel four link A triangulated four link would maybe have some side Two side angle variations with articulation
Got me again but I think you understand what I'm trying to say
With rock crawlers do you have to use a double U-joint on the transfer case? On street cars the idea behind parallel links is to keep the transfer case and pinion parallel, even if the pinion isn’t pointing at the transfer case because the second u-joint removes the vibration of the first. So it seems like the idea is to keep that u-joint angle from happening in the first place. But it would only work for the differential’s pinion and the u-joint at the transfer case is still working hard and the u joint at the pinion wouldn’t be able to cancel out the vibrations unless there’s like another u-joint somewhere😂
The parallel links have nothing to do with pinion angle. Thats all for anti squat numbers in the rear on street vehicles. Pinion angle change only applies to long travel off road applications. Any 4x4 with a double cardan rear driveshaft, the pinion should be pointed at the case at ride height. Any 4x4 with a normal single U joint rear driveshaft, the pinion angle should match the rear transfer case output angle at ride height.
@@wheels.and.wrenches Ok very helpful. It’s not a problem until you start getting large angles. I do think parallel links will keep the pinion angle the same throughout it’s travel, although increasing the average angle of the individual u-joints.
Also having equal length links means you could have 1 replacement part that could work in either location
That would come in very handy
Can to much droop be bad or cause problems?
Droop is limited by the shock length. 14" shocks are plenty. The front axle droop can definitely be a problem because the driveshaft is offset obviously.
I’m totally mocking up my numbers and doing it on paper. Pinion angle yes stability and climbs, what’s best angle
Theres a couple simple rules... Keep your lower links around 7 degrees. Make your upper links around 90% the length of your lowers. Make your upper links 0 degrees with an adjustable chassis mount. Triangulate both uppers and lowers
On a RC crawler that is trying to do max steeps and sidehills in a more controlled lighter setting than 1:1 where speed and weight cause a lot of stress. Rear links a lower link parallel to the ground is ok right…with upper parallel and higher with max diff in heights. When lengths were and same and if mounted to similar location will maximize the pinion being lined up?
Pinion angle means nothing in suspension performance. All it prevents in the rear is U joint bind. In the front, the pinion angle is WAY more critical because pinion angle and steering castor are directly related. But none of this relates to RC cars
Awesome video. Do you have recommendations on doing reverse triangulated 4 link? Upper arms going to rear bumper.
I would most definitely not do that lol.
The lengths are visual lengths from the side right? Not the physical length end to end.
There's no such thing as a visual length. The ONLY way to measure for a link is center bolt to center bolt.
Great video ! Thanks
The original CAD (Cardboard Aided Design) in action!. Great demonstration to help visualize the movements and angles that result from different configurations. However, it would be kind to your viewers to remind them that if you design the links so that the diff pinion shaft is always pointing towards the transfer case, you need to use a double universal joint at the transfer case end of your driveshaft. If you have a simple single universal joint at each end, the transfer case end UJ will be swinging through a wide range of angles while the diff end UJ stays fairly straight: this will cause rotational speed oscillations in the driveshaft that will not be offset by the second UJ, leading to vibration and shortened service life of the diff components.
Was about to bring this up!👌🏻
holy shit. you ever weigh a body before and after all this? my 1/10th scale buggy body weighs 30 grams (painted). this seems like you would be adding at least 100 grams to the body. not only are you adding weight but its extra weight in the worst possible area.
Theres 100 grams of mud on the car 20 seconds into the race. So thats not a concern. What is a concern, is that my expensive body lasts for more than 2-3 months.
simple math this. it's all about arcs and positions that effect it, you can have a shorter top arm, but you must separate the povit point on the axle more. so short arm, long distance between pivot points, long arm, close pivot points. Also it's obvious that the higher the top arm chassis fix point is the more through the arc it is so will point the diff nose down at full droop. you don't want that in any scenario as it over extends the capability of the UJ's or CV joints.
The separation at the axle is always going to be approximately 10-11" vertical and front of the axle tube to center of the truss (Front to Rear). These aren't going to change much. The upper arms are always going to be offset to the rear because of the diff is pointed upward due to the pinion angle.
I use to run that Hot Car back in the early 1980's - everyone had a nickname, and mine was Sugarfoot for some reason (Sarge gave that to me). I ran both that Door Machine and Hot Car thousands of times, although it traveled in the reverse direction back then (the Quencher was on the South end of the wharf - apparently got moved to North end at some point). I cannot believe he stood there and took that video - would have been extremely hot from that coke giving off heat like that. I worked in that Coke Plant from 1978-1984 - have lots of fond memories of the people who worked there back then.
I worked for McCarl's there for 3 months in 2018. It wasn't a bad gig
Thanks for the explanation, I’m going to build my 4 link now.. I have little experience in fab, but have some buddies.
Heck ya.. awesome. Can you do the same on the back view or pinion view explaining with shocks and articulation?
Nothing related to shocks and articulation changes much. The shock angle changes slightly throughout travel. Thats about it
Just found this. Cool….What is normally in the space, other than oil?
A huge mounting bracket cast into the housing
In the GT8 world, a lot of racers run zero droop. It makes the cars corner flat and fast, but if your wheel drops down, you'll lose your grip and spin.
The Pinion angle is not the only thing to consider. For most the Pinion angle pretty irrelevant because a not rockcrawler vehicle will be 98% on ride high, probably more. The interesting part is, how smooth one goes over obstacles! And also dive when braking.
This is a rock crawler channel 👍🏻
How do I get to these trails
Get ahold of a local club. Attend one of their rides
i go almost every weekend this is little sturgis in the creek beside slab rock
Thanks for all information. Learned a lot. Like the idea of you modeling
This was awesome
Hey, man. Love your video. I also fish The Ohio River, and recently had a musky encounter. I think it may have been relatively close to where you caught your fish and would love to talk about it.
Yeah man for sure
I have a jeep JK. In the front the lower control arm mounts hang down a lot. What would happen if I were to move them up about 2” inches and leave the upper mounts put? (It’s my daily by the way).
It would improve your lower arm angle. As long as your vertical upper to lower axle mounting points are 9" to 10" separation, its fine.
Just dont tip your front pinion up too much.
@@wheels.and.wrenches from factory is has 9 inches of separation. So if I raised it it would be 8” inches. Do you think this is enough to cause any issues or drivability characteristics that would be noticed
@joerouth6255 separation should be 25% of your tire size. Id want at least 10"
@@wheels.and.wrenches and if it’s less do you know how it would affect drivability
Thanks, great simple explanation with an excellent visual aid. This is a big help on grasping the basics.
I hate when ppl say other folks don't belong on the trail stop being a bitch and help them if you're in such a hurry
Where did you get the aluminum piece for the differential I can’t did it anywhere
Looking for the part number
www.amainhobbies.com/team-losi-racing-aluminum-rear-gearbox-bearing-insert-set-2-tlr3100/p235958?gclid=Cj0KCQjwqs6lBhCxARIsAG8YcDiYR8p3iMjCyHRivwMNTb3hRwgYz0TZJblXu6NfxJhxI6wVGnnCNdEaAosYEALw_wcB
Thank you very much for this video, it is super explained and it is understood like no other, could you make one like it on the location of the cooilovers?
Would a thin coat and then a heavier coat of flex seal clear by itself be enough to keep dirt from getting underneath and ruining my paintjob?
Paint jobs are gonna get beat up regardless eventually. But it'll help
Hello, I want to install a 43 link in a Trailer I going to use for offroading, Because there is no DIFF just a n open axle, is it still need ed the 25 % tire dimension separation between lowe and upper ControlArms? I cant get a 7° on the lower CA, is it an issue?
should say 4 link
Theres no power being delivered to the tires. So the axle isnt under any rotational load... vertical spacing at the axle doesn't matter. A trailer with a 4 link will be unstable as heck. Id just go with a stock used/flat leaf spring, kinda like a stock Chevy square body leaf... keep it simple. It's just a trailer.
Designing an rc crawler and this helps me more than rcc tutorials
1 trip to winrock and my new trackbar was toast within a week.
Then run an aluminum track bar with 5/8 bolts and 7/8 heims. And heavy duty 3/8" brackets
I run my rear measured eye to eye square not diagonal 31" lowers and upper wishbone. Upper and lower are actually lot longer than 31" because triangulated. I have around 31" running length driveshaft on sye.
This was fun
I tried the gorilla glue version of flex seal and the solvents ate the paint I dont want to spray on my new paint job now.
You have to do a thin light coat first after the body paint dries and cures. Let the light coat of Flex Seal dry. Then add a heavier coat. A heavy coat right off the bat will eat the paint every time