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Kansas's Top 5 Best UTV & ATV Riding Spots
Kansas ATV UTV ORV Trail Maps
Cimarron National Grasslands
www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd493150.html
www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/psicc/recarea/?recid=12404&actid=32
www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r2/recreation/?cid=stelprdb5386310#
www.riderplanet-usa.com/atv/trails/info/kansas_03534/ride_725a.htm
www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/psicc/recreation/natureviewing/recarea/?recid=12429&actid=63
Kansas Rocks Recreation Park
www.ksrockspark.com/
KansasRocksPark/
www.getoutdoorskansas.org/sites/default/files/trail_maps/ks_rocks_park_2016_jpg.jpg
Perry Lake ATV Trail
www.nwk.usace.army.mil/Locations/District-Lakes/Perry-Lake/Trails/ATV-Trail/
www.riderplanet-usa.com/atv/trails/info/kansas_02364/ride_1422.htm
Syracuse Sand Dunes
syracusesanddunespark.com/
www.riderplanet-usa.com/atv/trails/info/kansas_14629/ride_38df.htm
Tuttle Creek ORV Area
www.nwk.usace.army.mil/Locations/District-Lakes/Tuttle-Creek-Lake/Trails/Off-Road-Vehicle-Areas/
www.riderplanet-usa.com/atv/trails/info/kansas_02677/ride_1c0d.htm
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Testing Out 33" System 3 Offroad ATX 470 Tires and 15" SB-7 Wheels Review
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Weight, size, and inflation measurements and comparisons and my first impressions of 33" System 3 ATX470 Tires mounted on System 3 SB7 Beadlock wheels out on the trails and on the sand dunes. Subscribe for more videos like this: www.youtube.com/@ATVG?sub_confirmation=1 Watch our most recent videos: www.youtube.com/@ATVG Subscribe to our Instagram: atv_g_ #system3 #ATX470 #sb7
Kemimoto UPGRADED Soft Cab Enclosure Windows And CLEAR Lower Doors For Can Am Maverick X3
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Kemimoto provided a set of Upgraded Upper Doors / Upper Windows / Soft Cab Enclosures as well as a set of Clear Lower Doors for our Can Am Maverick X3. Here is an overview of how they fit on the machine as well as how they look, as well as how well they work for warmth and dust control. Kemimoto makes many different products for many different offroad machines, so be sure to check them out at w...
Total Wash Test And Review Wyrick Blue Velvet Dressing
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Test and Review of Total Wash Offroad and Wyrick Blue Velvet Dressing. Does the WR Performance Total Wash Offroad work better than Booty Juice Homemade offroad wash? Use Wyrick Blue Velvet Dressing to make your plastics look like new. Subscribe for more videos like this: www.youtube.com/@ATVG?sub_confirmation=1 Watch our most recent videos: www.youtube.com/@ATVG Subscribe to our Instagram: inst...
Cadillac Area ORV Scenic Ride From Tin Cup to Caberfae
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Riding All The Cool Spots On Drummond Island
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Watch this if you're planning an ATV trip to Drummond Island! Three days of adventures on Drummond Island. We saw it all, and had a blast in the meantime. Drummond Island does not disappoint when it comes to ATV adventures. Subscribe for more videos like this: www.youtube.com/@ATVG?sub_confirmation=1 Watch our most recent videos: www.youtube.com/@ATVG Subscribe to our Instagram: a...
Planned 30, Rode 180 - Day and Night Ride through Northern Michigan: Manton, Kalkaska, Grayling
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Video of a solo ride that went from a planned 30 miles to 180 miles. I was just having too much fun to head back! Subscribe for more videos like this: www.youtube.com/@ATVG?sub_confirmation=1 Watch our most recent videos: www.youtube.com/@ATVG Subscribe to our Instagram: atv_g_ #maverickx3 #sxs #adventure
Blessing Of ORVs 2024
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The Blessing of ORVs occurs every spring in Lake County. Meet other enthusiasts, check out new machines, have some food and drink, listen to influential locals, and have a great time surrounded by ORVs of all types. Subscribe for more videos like this: www.youtube.com/@ATVG?sub_confirmation=1 Watch our most recent videos: www.youtube.com/@ATVG Subscribe to our Instagram: atv_g_ #...
You Want These 30 Maverick X3 Accessories
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Here are 30 accessories you'll want for your Can Am Maverick X3 Side by Side. Subscribe for more videos like this: www.youtube.com/@ATVG?sub_confirmation=1 Watch our most recent videos: www.youtube.com/@ATVG Subscribe to our Instagram: atv_g_ OEM Front Pre Runner Bumper $449.99 parts.adrenalinecycles.com/product/can-am-maverick-x3-front-pre-runner-bumper-blk-oem-new-715002878 ALL...
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We Chose To Ride In Leota...And THIS happened
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Indiana's Top 5 Best UTV & ATV Riding Locations
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  • @rugbug
    @rugbug 2 дні тому

    You completely missed the best park in Ala , Grand river motorsports park in Robertsdale Al

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 дні тому

      Thanks for the heads up! Why do you think it's the best? What do you like the most about it?

  • @domstarkey7279
    @domstarkey7279 3 дні тому

    notice you did the same thing I did you put the two front rock lights to where when you flipped your shocks they rub the lights lol

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 3 дні тому

      Yup. Ended up having to move them.

  • @ErickLopez-n8l
    @ErickLopez-n8l 7 днів тому

    What events coming up I have a sidebyside

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 7 днів тому

      Check their websites for event schedules.

  • @lifes2short4bs73
    @lifes2short4bs73 8 днів тому

    I live in Idaho and am about to pull the trigger on my first SxS .... I am torn between the 74" or the 64"... I want the stability in the dunes and the comfort of the long travel suspension, but I don't want to be barred from gated trails. Does ID have 65" gated trails like back east?

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 8 днів тому

      Your best bet for the most up to date info to help you make your decision would be to call your DNR office and ask them about each trail system you think you'll be visiting.

  • @brianscott5316
    @brianscott5316 11 днів тому

    At 1:37 that quote is funny

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 11 днів тому

      Thanks for watching. I try to throw a few of them in for those that watch the whole vid.

  • @Vhiadra
    @Vhiadra 11 днів тому

    Is it smoother without swaybars

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 11 днів тому

      It's smoother at slow speeds (less than 30 mph). There's more body roll and feels like it may tip over at faster speeds (over 30).

    • @Vhiadra
      @Vhiadra 11 днів тому

      @ATVG ahhh maybe I will leave mine on, I was thinking about just removing the front, but I travel usually wide open throttle everywhere lol.

  • @justinfisher8749
    @justinfisher8749 16 днів тому

    Anyone know good dirt bike spots ? I’m considering moving to Alaska

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 16 днів тому

      Look at their DNR website to help you find them, then look each one up individually to learn more about them. I'm sure you'll find some epic trails there!

  • @patricklandis3910
    @patricklandis3910 21 день тому

    Is booby Ville

  • @Nurzify
    @Nurzify 27 днів тому

    Is that at badlands

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 27 днів тому

      No, at St Helen

  • @PolarBear00777
    @PolarBear00777 28 днів тому

    Have you had them in Mud or on Rocks yet? I am looking at a set for a Commander

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 28 днів тому

      Nothing serious, yet. The little bit of mud I've gone through, they cleared it out right away. Haven't been anywhere with thick or deeper than a foot mud yet. No decent rock obstacles near me, so it'll be a bit until I can test them on rocks.

    • @PolarBear00777
      @PolarBear00777 27 днів тому

      @@ATVG Thank You for the reply!

  • @ATVG
    @ATVG 29 днів тому

    This is a lot of wear after a short amount of miles! I hope these tires hold up. They look cool though!

  • @craigvanhousen559
    @craigvanhousen559 29 днів тому

    There are great places to ride in Northern California. I guess you didn't want to do your home work for up here. Thats okay, keep the crowd down there in Southern California

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 29 днів тому

      There are great places to ride all over the country. This is a list of Top places. Which places do you think should have made this list?

  • @Mud_king35
    @Mud_king35 Місяць тому

    I notice you are using ear protection do the upper doors increase how loud it is in there?

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG Місяць тому

      No, it doesn't seem like they do. The X3 is a loud machine, so I wear ear plugs or muffs whenever I drive it, with or without the upper doors in place.

  • @29pickles
    @29pickles Місяць тому

    Thanks for the in depth quick review. 🤝

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG Місяць тому

      I hope you find it helpful.

  • @ATVG
    @ATVG Місяць тому

    Just put my first 80 miles on them, and the traction is great, but they are showing significant signs of wear already! The ride was mostly dirt, with some gravel roads and about 1 mile of pavement. I hope buying these wasn't a mistake.

  • @ATVG
    @ATVG Місяць тому

    I was hoping this would go viral for Halloween. So much for that LOL.

  • @BriEquestrian127
    @BriEquestrian127 Місяць тому

    That's scary!

  • @CHillTennisEntertainment
    @CHillTennisEntertainment Місяць тому

    Great video!! 👍

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG Місяць тому

      Thanks. Hopefully you found it useful.

  • @bddfc1968
    @bddfc1968 Місяць тому

    Made most of the trails there when they opened at Haspin Acres, went almost every weekend for 10 years in a row 😂

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG Місяць тому

      Sounds like a dream come true!

  • @ATVG
    @ATVG Місяць тому

    Amazing traction, look cool, and provide a comfy ride. Try these on your sxs.

  • @Cbed1
    @Cbed1 Місяць тому

    I like a few of these like the pack out mount

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG Місяць тому

      It makes it a lot easier to bring along whatever I feel I need for the ride.

  • @Cbed1
    @Cbed1 Місяць тому

    This thing is loaded

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG Місяць тому

      Still plenty more to add 😄

  • @ATVG
    @ATVG Місяць тому

    The wind carved out many drop offs that aren't normally out there in the dunes. Got surprised by more than one!

  • @HunterAldridge-i9r
    @HunterAldridge-i9r Місяць тому

    I live in Huntsville and I ride at Stoney lonesome at cullman and we’re going to a new park called northwest Alabama mountain ride

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG Місяць тому

      Let us know what you think of the new park. It's great finding new places to ride.

  • @vaughnjensen8836
    @vaughnjensen8836 Місяць тому

    The only problem with riding in Colorado is it you have to transport your vehicle to a staging area and we have a motorhome and pull our trailer and UTV behind so it’s very impractical to ride because of the staging issue if they open up the roads this would be a great place to ride.

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG Місяць тому

      Some of the staging areas are pretty small. Some are huge, though, so it's probably just a matter of you finding the right ones, or renting a truck on the days you want to ride. Where there's a will, there's a way!

  • @TucsonTrainChasers
    @TucsonTrainChasers Місяць тому

    Just moved to Alabama a few months ago and have been looking for places to ride near Montgomery, decided to get a 2023 Honda CRF125F to go along with the Kawasaki Teryx and haven't been able to find places to ride other then Boggin On The Plains in Auburn. However when I do decide to take out to some farther places this video definitely gave me some ideas, thanks

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG Місяць тому

      Congrats on your move to Alabama as well as your new bike! I'm glad this video brought to light some play areas for you to explore. Thanks for watching my video.

  • @ATVG
    @ATVG Місяць тому

    If you ride in dusty environments, the S&B Particle Separator is for you. They keep 95% of the dust from getting to your air filter.

  • @diggingmary129
    @diggingmary129 2 місяці тому

    If you like this you should check out Hillbilly files!! They put a magnet down the well! ❤

  • @diggingmary129
    @diggingmary129 2 місяці тому

    If you haven’t seen it yet he’s building a new a bridge! Jack is awesome!! ❤ and some things happening with the cemetery!

  • @5thGenNativeTexan
    @5thGenNativeTexan 2 місяці тому

    Do any of these in the video (or perhaps any others in Arkansas), permit "overland camping".. ie.. camping out on the trail.. or do they all basically have some set campground? I'm really looking for an area that allows what I guess I call "ATV Backpacking". ATV instead of hiking.. and camping along the trail. Thanks!

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 місяці тому

      Some of the info you're looking for may be in this link: www.fs.usda.gov/activity/osfnf/recreation/ohv I would recommend you contact your DNR office and ask them for the details, that way you know you have an up to date response that you can count on.

  • @shawnsmith4058
    @shawnsmith4058 2 місяці тому

    Any hills on the trail? Looks good

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 місяці тому

      On the trail? No. Off the trail? Yes. Off the trail and open to public ORV traffic? No.

  • @DavidBrouwer-m4z
    @DavidBrouwer-m4z 2 місяці тому

    How does it keep down pressure?

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 місяці тому

      It's own weight, plus a slight downward angle from the mounting bracket.

  • @southerngypsypickersandoff4459
    @southerngypsypickersandoff4459 2 місяці тому

    Check out Grand River Motorsports robertsdale Alabama

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 місяці тому

      Will do. Thank you for adding to the list! What do you like most about Grand River Motorsports?

  • @clarencefoster7689
    @clarencefoster7689 2 місяці тому

    Got a rolled edge blade on my Polaris died by side go right over lawn no issues

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 місяці тому

      Nice. Where did you get it from?

    • @clarencefoster7689
      @clarencefoster7689 2 місяці тому

      got it at polaris dealer

  • @OptimustHolding
    @OptimustHolding 2 місяці тому

    after a ride in the dessert I had the same problem a big chip and then the engine stopped I found this open box what was the solution and the consequences for you thank you

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 місяці тому

      I ended up replacing the air intake manifold with a new stock one. But, I added an RPM clamp set to it to help make sure it doesn't come apart again.

    • @OptimustHolding
      @OptimustHolding 2 місяці тому

      @@ATVG This thing did not cause any other problems on the vehicle afterwards

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 місяці тому

      @@OptimustHolding No other problems that I am currently aware of. I don't think it sucked any debris into the engine.

    • @OptimustHolding
      @OptimustHolding 2 місяці тому

      Thank youn

    • @OptimustHolding
      @OptimustHolding 2 місяці тому

      Did you get an engine light after this problem?

  • @RichardParker-k3y
    @RichardParker-k3y 2 місяці тому

    Leota to Houghton Lake is fine if you like driving 60mph.

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 місяці тому

      Everyone likes driving 60, right? But, in the Leota to Houghton Lake example, are you saying it should be required?

    • @RichardParker-k3y
      @RichardParker-k3y 2 місяці тому

      @ATVG no I don't like getting run of the road. Leota in nothing more than dirt road.

  • @rvtech101
    @rvtech101 2 місяці тому

    Some great trails on your list! 60 year old Arizona native who has been all over this state. I could add a bunch but I’m not about to share! As a duel sport rider I’m already upset at all the inconsiderate sxs drivers out there who show no trail etiquette.

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 місяці тому

      Thank you. When you're ready to share, we're ready to listen! Do you think there's anything that can or should be done to minimize your noted lack of trail etiquette in sxs operators?

    • @rvtech101
      @rvtech101 2 місяці тому

      @@ATVG I would love to share, I’ve turned on so many friends onto some of my favorite finds over the years! Biggest problem with sxs owners is their lack of awareness or consideration for others on the trails. I can’t count how many times I’ve come around corners and they are on the wrong side. I’ve literally been run off the road either accidentally or on purpose and the operator keeps going. Apparently being in a sxs gives them priority over those of us on bikes. And when they are in a group it’s even worse . So I’ve learned to limit who I share my favorites with to avoid becoming a statistic. And that sucks because some of them are just glorious! Temps are coming down and it’s time to get back out there too!

  • @jakechapman3161
    @jakechapman3161 2 місяці тому

    Almost got me

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 місяці тому

      LOL

  • @type_one_acty4122
    @type_one_acty4122 2 місяці тому

    Just did badlands yesterday. Was a blast

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 місяці тому

      It is an awesome place. Did you get to ride the serpentine?

  • @DirtyJakTheDustyBean
    @DirtyJakTheDustyBean 2 місяці тому

    Did you just do this ride, leave’s changing already? Nice been wanting to do this next time we’re in the area!

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 2 місяці тому

      Did the ride last year, early October, before it was officially dubbed the "Scenic Route." It's a great ride/trip, with only a couple areas of choppy road. Looking forward to seeing your video of it!

  • @byrdhemenway369
    @byrdhemenway369 3 місяці тому

    Keep a wire saw or good folding saw with u Or macheti

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 3 місяці тому

      Folding saw is usually on board. This one I just manhandled. LOL

    • @byrdhemenway369
      @byrdhemenway369 3 місяці тому

      @ATVG ya I saw hard work great Job was fun watching ur video

  • @TeriScott-g5o
    @TeriScott-g5o 3 місяці тому

    Looks like Great Fun!!!❤

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 3 місяці тому

      Every time I'm on the island, it's a guaranteed blast!

  • @brianscott5316
    @brianscott5316 3 місяці тому

    Holy smokes I'm ready to get back ASAP GREAT VIDEO

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 3 місяці тому

      Thanks for being one of the stars of the vid! Looking forward to the next one as well.

  • @austinstanley2003
    @austinstanley2003 3 місяці тому

    Great I’m glad I drove all the way here not thinking about this stuff(5 hours) glad I can purchase all stickers at welcome center.

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 3 місяці тому

      I hope it all worked out for you, and I hope you had an awesome time on the dunes.

  • @rogerpotter8844
    @rogerpotter8844 3 місяці тому

    Do you have a map of the route you went. me and some buddies are heading out next week, we don't know we're we are gonna head yet, and this looks great

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 3 місяці тому

      www.michigan.gov/dnr/things-to-do/orv-riding/maps-list North Missaukee and Kalkaska Route PDFs are in the link above. This ride was from the Manton trailhead, heading East and then North to Kalkaska, and then South and further East to Grayling, and then back to Manton. You'll see how they all come together in the PDF maps.

  • @gregstatler4713
    @gregstatler4713 3 місяці тому

    Nice. What mapping are you using? I am looking for something good for the Michigan trails. Thanks.

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 3 місяці тому

      I use a combo of things. I look at the DNR maps on their website. I also use Polaris Ride Command. When riding, I record the ride with an app called Geo Tracker, which is what I show a few times in this video. Everything is free. I haven't broken down to buy Onyx or BobT or VvMapping or CanAm Crew's maps yet.

  • @genedandy
    @genedandy 3 місяці тому

    WOW. Props to you guys for backing off that hill and hanging in there. For a minute, it looked like you guys were doomed! ✊

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 3 місяці тому

      It was worse than it looks on camera. I'm glad he didn't roll it.

  • @lonniepruitt5487
    @lonniepruitt5487 3 місяці тому

    No spare buddy?

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 3 місяці тому

      No spare. But, I did have tire plugs, Gluetread patches, and an air compressor along for the ride.

  • @marknovetske4738
    @marknovetske4738 3 місяці тому

    😊 thanks

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 3 місяці тому

      Welcome 😊

  • @michaellongueuil1732
    @michaellongueuil1732 3 місяці тому

    All right, I have a question about trails. From Houghton Lake what road do I take to the trailhead leading to Saint Helen Trail system? I think it’s Decker Street but I’m not sure. Please let me know.

    • @ATVG
      @ATVG 3 місяці тому

      West Branch Rd to 55 to St Helen Rd

    • @michaellongueuil1732
      @michaellongueuil1732 3 місяці тому

      @@ATVG OK thanks for that information. I’ll look that up now. Because I’m going up to Houghton Lake area to get on the Saint Helen Trail next month