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Looks like Arcane confirmed that t1 mage mastery does not interact with the t6 execution effect. This makes me assume chance-based damage increases like Ahrim's set won't work either. Regardless, the execution seems like an awkward thing to give to mage because of its delayed hits. In group raids, you will likely have to be standing right next to a boss to see any value from that portion of the mastery. I expect the mage T6 to be a <10% increase during raids in all honesty.

For mage t6, Husky confirmed on the leagues disc that it isnt based on your absolute max unless the 10% procs before it checks opponent hp. Assume the ahrims works similarly in terms of rolling for the increased max before checking opponent hp

I'm leaning towards 1-3-6 but the magic tier 2 is still something i really don't understand due to relics making attack speed faster. Also wondering how tier 6 magic damage is actually calculated since the magic projectile takes so long to reach the target.

your math on melee echo's are off tho, its 10 or 20% to hit 50% max hit, not current hit. so the dmg numbers would go up practical

Love the video, keep it up

Magic T1 calcs are way off. I thought the same thing until I realized that it’s a 50% damage multiplied, not a 50% increase to max hit and then rolled from 1-150% Essentially the top 10% of your hits will always do 140-150% of your max hit, which skews average damage per hit significantly more than 5% For simple math, imagine a max hit of 10. Possible hits would be [1(rounded zero)1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,13.5,15] Totaled and averaged that is 5.95, up from 5.09. An increase of ~17% Magic has the best T1 hands down 🙌

Nah melee is the best

For the T3 passive, the 100% accuracy boost doubles the final value of the attack roll. The effect of this is a little complicated. For accuracies less than 25%, this equates to doubling the accuracy. So 8% accuracy would become 16%. For accuracies 50% or greater, this equates to halving the miss rate. So 60% accuracy would become 80% accuracy with the relic. 80% would become 90%. Nothing would become exactly 100% accurate purely as a result of this relic, but some things would come very close. For accuracies between 25% and 50%, there is no simple linear expression, the result is a quadratic function.

For T1 range, the boost in expected damage, expressed as a fraction of the max hit is 0.3*0.3*.5 = 0.045. This is a 9% increase over the base expected damage of 0.5 per hit.

Thanks for the video. Anyway we could have the spreadsheet copy as a reference? ❤ Trying to plan melee based secondary masteries for VMZ regions. Rip blowpipe but gonna have max fun this year :) 5-5-0 seems too fun tbh

Do we know if Thunder Kopesh's lightening bolts will count as melee as well? Or magic? Or nothing and not be affected by masteries at all? Im not sure what in game items would be comparable to look at

T1 magic relic is actually about a 10% increase, not 5%. This is because it only and always happens on the big hits. So if your max hit is a ten it’s saying 10% of the time do 5 extra damage, which contributes enough to equal about 10%.

appreciate it

Accuracy increases are always based on the attack stat and it has diminishing returns as the number gets higher.. From my experience in the base game it really starts slowing down between 90-95% and it's really hard to go past that

Im gunna go range and take 0/6/0 cause idk if I can cant any more points then that lmfao.. I'll certainly try though! Thanks for the info 🙏

You uh called T1 mage wrong. It’s more like a ~9% damage increase.

These calculations are way off. Did you even think about the root word for binomial ? NOMIAL? GNOME? You probably didn't even factor in the gnome constant before publishing this. This whole video is basically plagarism without the blessing of King Narnode Shareen, father of the binomial

I know I want to do CoX for endgame. Considering Z/A/F maybe, but I don’t know what style I want to go. What’re you personally picking? And do you have any recommendations for areas for CoX?

How much damage would the t6 melee be if it rolled 50% of the original hit every extra hit and didn’t decrease

Is the problem with melee calc that you subtracted the 5% from T2 at the end? I think this is a separate calculation isn’t it, so can leave it as is with the 11%

Thank you for this video and for making it so clear ❤

It seems unlikely we will get any relics that shakes up the outlook on the combat masteries. I can imagine guardian, retribution and executioners axe come back with little variation. Beserker was so strong I'd be shocked if it isn't nerfed / doesn't make an appearance at all given that they can comfortably make a tier with the three mentioned and would have a fairly even play split

Can we see max BIS for each combat style based on these relics and what region combo they come from?

For mage T1, it's not 5% overall. 10% of the time you get a 50% increase would be 5%, but it's not evenly weighted across your hits. It's the 10% of your strongest hits (less than 10% bc it's >90%) that receive that 50% bonus. My brother and I calc'd it yesterday via python trials and it was ~9% at 40 max hit.

Oh yeah, this is my kind of Runescape breakdown

T1 mage is wrong. 90 % * avg hit in bottom 90% + 10% * avg hit top 10%. = 9.5% inncrease

From wiki: "Roll a hit ranging from 0 to the attacker's maximum hit. If the roll is from a player, then 0's are rounded up to 1's." So for something like T1 range, you would need to add a 0 roll as well, which would give it a few % above what you got, especially for low max hits.

Great video! My thought right now is Tier 6 range. The thing i hate most when pvm is my hits noodling. With range I get nice consistency. Probably picking up melee as my off style but who knows.

Awesome to see all of the calculations, thank you

Yeah this pretty much confirms my instinct. Despite all the hype melee got from the echo items, the combat masteries for it are underwhelming. We'll have to see the combat relic tier to get the full picture though, might still be able to save melee if it's something like negative flat armor on all targets.

at first i thought that t6 range undervalued drygore bp... and it does, to some extent, but it's still absolutely insane compared to everything else except toxic bp and tbow. drygore bp with t3 is literally better than bowfa with t6 (if i remember correctly from my calcs)... it doesn't have to be your end game weapon. you can get a tbow. but it means you don't need to waste time taking tirannwn... just do desert fremmy and either varlamore for quiver and sunlit bracers (and clowning on sol heredit), or zeah for rigour without arcane grimoire (farming relic... good?)

Im trying to re-envision the melee t6 math. It wouldn’t be AS bad if each echo hit retained the original max hit (50% of base max)… that’s doubtful, but it would scale better. As you described an 8th echo is exceptionally rare, and does negligible damage. Maybe the damage doesn’t scale, but the chance does. I.e. your max hit is 20. 16% chance to have a hit that (after accuracy check) deals 10 damage. 3.2% chance to have a hit that also deals 10 damage. 0.64% chance to deal another 10 damage… etc. Edit: I still don’t think this makes it GOOD… because you have a very very small chance of generating more than 2-3 echos… but at least the 8th echo would do more than 1 damage lol. It would basically make a 0.0002% chance of hitting like 400-600 with full dharoks at 1hp

You get 100% increase on accuracy i dont think t6 range is necessary. Def very cool but i would MUCH rather have two 2-tick megarares

Mathematically, 5 melee 5 range for 2tick scythe and 2tick tbow

Honestly, didnt have high hopes on a math video that starts with "leagues is only a few weeks away" when its less than 1 week left. But nice vid

Very good video thank you! T6 melee being flashy but weak probably means I'm not going the full 6 points even though I am locked in as melee being my primary style.

So reddit was right... Range is busted!

100% accruacy just means you double your accuracy roll.

How do you know how the magic tier 2 buff will work? It has confused me a lot due to the wording, is it waiting between attacking? is it weapon speed? is it time between your attacks say 2 tick with buffs and could be 5% or 10% or if its weapon speed then that would be great, or maybe it ramps up every tick not attacking and keeps the buff, its very hard to tell due to the wording

Btw, you did overcalculate the percentage buff of melee since you counted tier 2 when tier 6 overrides it

Why not do a 3-4-3 build? I feel like melee even at t5 isn’t worth it because you won’t go to t6 with it.

Cheers for the vid, it’s nice to see the visual of math problems when trying to see what the different % bonuses really do

I think you mathed the T1 magic relic wrong. Your intuition seems correct, so I'm not sure why, in practice, it's incorrect, but take the simple case of a max hit of 10. With no buffs, your average damage will be 5.5 (integers 1-10). With the relic your average damage is 6 (integers 1-9 and 15). This is approximately a 18% dps increase. Becasue of rounding it's a little weird, and I'm not good enough to create a generalized formula for it, but it looks like it converges to about a 9.5% dps increase as your max hit goes up. Hope this helps!

I feel that the melee echoes don’t work like that I think there’s a 20% chance to generate the initial echo. These echoes then also have a chance to generate another, up to a max of 8 echos off one single hit . (1/5)^n giving the % odds of n number of echos occurring from the original hit. Maybe im interpreting something wrong though 🤷‍♂️ Even that’s a minor dps change tho I think. I really wanted to go melee but it seems pretty weak

Could you release a copyable version of your spreadsheets?

Getting a like, comment, and subscribe just got posting sweet formulas. Love a good math lesson <3

King condor said that the echo hits would all be 50% of the original max hit, so that would make melee much stronger. I think you halved the damage of the echo hits in each consequent hit if I understood that correctly?

My brain is swelling from this hot milk

This is exactly what I needed. I’ve also never done Zuk before, so I was hoping for a 5/5, but I’d feel really bad if I wasn’t able to get Zuk done and just end up 5/4 range/Melee because I was depending on beating Zuk.

I was kinda hoping that my initial reaction of melee being the worst was wrong, you really need a scythe if you're planning on going melee build