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The Case for the Resurrection - Fr Antonios Kaldas
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The resurrection of Christ is the central miracle of the Christian faith and a powerful reality in the lives of many Christians. But apart from that lived experience, are there any objective historical reasons for believing the resurrection of Jesus? In our first event for 2019, Fr Antonios takes us through the resurrection of Jesus from a historical perspective and takes us through some of the...
Scripture, Tradition, and the Canon - Fr John Behr
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Which comes first: the Bible or Tradition? What are the foundations of Orthodox doctrine? How did the earliest Christians view the relation between Scripture and Christian teaching? To address these important questions, Aletheia is delighted to welcome back international guest speaker Fr John Behr. His talk will look closely at the work of St Irenaeus of Lyons (130-202 AD), who was one of the e...
Christianity and the Environment - Ragaei Shenouda
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It's often supposed that Christianity has nothing much to say about the environment and the natural world. Even though Christianity is known for its emphasis on the spiritual, what does Christianity have to say about our relationship to the creation? In particular, what is the perspective of Orthodox Christianity? How should we understand our relationship with the creation?
A Fortunate Universe: Life in a Finely Tuned Cosmos - Dr Luke A. Barnes
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Are there any good scientific reasons to think that the universe we live in was "designed" for life? Or did the cosmos just pop haphazardly into existence? Join us for our first meeting of 2018 with an exciting guest speaker: astrophysicist Luke Barnes, speaking on the "fine-tuning" of the universe. Dr. Barnes is the co-author (with Prof. Geraint Lewis) of a book called "A Fortunate Universe" (...
The Old Testament as History and Christian Scripture - Dr Lydia Gore-Jones
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Whenever "Scripture" is referred to in the Gospels and Epistles of the New Testament, what is meant is what is known by Christians later as the Old Testament. However, for Jesus and his first followers- up to the 3rd century, that was their entire Scripture. What kind of book is the Old Testament? How did it come about? Is it history? How did Jesus and his first followers read it and use it? Th...
Church and Empire: Constantine and the Church/State Relationship - Fr Samuel Fanous
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The Christian revolution? Emperor Constantine and the Church/State relationship The Emperor Constantine famously converted to Christianity and legalised it in his part of the Roman Empire in the early Fourth century, and established many churches. He oversaw the First Ecumenical Council of Nicea in which the heresy of Arianism was formally condemned. For these and other reasons, he is considere...
Belief and the Brain - Fr Antonios Kaldas
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In recent times, our understanding of how brains work has shed light on many aspects of human lives-how we make moral decisions, how we judge right and wrong, and how we often get things horribly wrong, and sometimes, surprisingly right. Can our growing understanding of brains and minds shed light on religious faith and experience? Join Fr Antonios as he explores questions like: Is an encounter...
Christianity and the Environment - Ragaei Shenouda
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How should Christians understand our relation to the environment? On some interpretations of Christianity, only the "spiritual" world really matters, so that caring for the environment is not particularly important. But what is the perspective of Orthodox Christianity? How should we understand our relationship with the creation?
Christianity and Mental Health - Dr Graham Barker
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Can a Christian suffer from depression, or anxiety? Does this mean that their faith is weak? Are mental illnesses different to physical illnesses? Where does mental illness fit in the Christian worldview? How do you handle being around someone who is suffering from mental health issues? Many questions, misunderstandings, fallacies, and unhelpful attitudes surround mental health issues in Christ...
Evolution and Creation - Panel Discussion
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The question of where we came from has occupied the thought of humans from time immemorial. In modern times, the scientific answer that has emerged is the process of evolution, by which more complex life forms develop from simpler life forms over very long periods of time. But how does evolution fit into the Christian worldview? Did God create species one by one? Or did He create a world that w...
Is Atheism the Default Position? - Panel Discussion
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"What I want to examine is the contention that the debate about the existence of God should properly begin from the presumption of atheism, that the onus of proof must lie upon the theist.” - Antony Flew In debates about the existence of God, who has the burden of proof? Should we begin with the assumption that there is no God, and then try to show that He exists? Or is the atheist's job to sho...
Gender in the Church - Dr Donna Rizk
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We all know that in Orthodox Christianity, men and women are viewed as equals. But what does that mean exactly? How should we understand the role that gender plays in the life of the Church? What are the theological underpinnings of the Church's understanding of gender? Dr. Donna Rizk is Adjunct Professor of Theology at St. Peter's University NY, and serves in the Coptic Diocese of New York and...
Community and Individualism - Albert Baky
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Community and Individualism - Albert Baky
The Real Jesus - Dr John Dickson
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The Real Jesus - Dr John Dickson
Christian Pride vs Christian Humility - Ragaei Shenouda
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Christian Pride vs Christian Humility - Ragaei Shenouda
The Gospel of Success: An Orthodox Perspective - Albert Baky
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The Gospel of Success: An Orthodox Perspective - Albert Baky
Does God Exist?
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Does God Exist?
The Problem of Evil - Fr. Antonios Kaldas & Peter Bowditch
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The Problem of Evil - Fr. Antonios Kaldas & Peter Bowditch
The Role of Christianity Today - Fr. Antonios Kaldas & Peter Bowditch
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The Role of Christianity Today - Fr. Antonios Kaldas & Peter Bowditch
\\Why does anything exist? - Fr. Antonios Kaldas & Peter Bowditch
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\\Why does anything exist? - Fr. Antonios Kaldas & Peter Bowditch
Was Christianity Good for the World? - Fr. Antonios Kaldas & Peter Bowditch
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Was Christianity Good for the World? - Fr. Antonios Kaldas & Peter Bowditch
Morality - Fr. Antonios Kaldas & Peter Bowditch
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Morality - Fr. Antonios Kaldas & Peter Bowditch
Christianity and Atheism - Fr. Antonios Kaldas & Peter Bowditch
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Christianity and Atheism - Fr. Antonios Kaldas & Peter Bowditch
Can faith and reason be reconciled - Panel with Sydney Atheists
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Can faith and reason be reconciled - Panel with Sydney Atheists
Truth and Postmodernism - Mina Samy & Jacob Gad
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Truth and Postmodernism - Mina Samy & Jacob Gad
Apologetics - Interpreting the Bible Genre and Context
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Apologetics - Interpreting the Bible Genre and Context
Apologetics - The Holy Trinity
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Apologetics - The Holy Trinity
Apologetics - Miracles
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Apologetics - Miracles
Apologetics - Psychology and Christianity
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Apologetics - Psychology and Christianity

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @kiwihans100
    @kiwihans100 2 місяці тому

    Why are some people so preoccupied with these 'chrch Fathers'! Jude, Jesus half brother said way back in 55AD "THE FAITH WAS DELIVERED ONCE FOR ALL TIME TO THE SAINTS" ( Jude 3) That being the case nearly all the apostles in thier epistles WARNED the brothers that there would arise in the congregations, clever men who would corrupt the true teachings & draew away discples after themselves' Please read Acts 20:28-30. I ttim 4:1,2. 2 Peter 2:1-3. 1 John 4:1. Sadly most 'orthodox' teachings fulfill these warnings! Reply

  • @humanalltoohuman
    @humanalltoohuman 3 місяці тому

    Wow. What a brilliant lecture this is! I did not know Fr. John Behr was such a brilliant communicator!

    • @GVSHvids
      @GVSHvids 2 місяці тому

      indeed, also the question asking is such a great public speaking tip

  • @stevebarns9106
    @stevebarns9106 4 місяці тому

    Very helpful!

  • @shawnlink8732
    @shawnlink8732 5 місяців тому

    If Christ had to open up the Scriptures for people to see the Messiah, then how could the Israelites in the Old Covenant be saved? I thought for the a long time that they had to have faith in a future messiah (even though it wasn’t as clear as it was for us) to be saved (and Scripture was sufficient in pointing them Christ). So without Christ opening up the Scriptures for them were they just destined for hell or saved in another way? This is a genuine question.

  • @jonathanhnosko7563
    @jonathanhnosko7563 5 місяців тому

    Thank you so much for uploading this! Father John Behr is a treasure.

  • @diamondgirl359
    @diamondgirl359 5 місяців тому

    Marker 1:02:16 Also, they have the Holy Spirit dwelling in their hearts guiding, teaching and counseling them-revealing the truths of scripture and the events they experienced.

  • @Thanioti
    @Thanioti 6 місяців тому

    Interesting talk. I don't think you can do math though. If you are objectively looking at numbers of Christians at the time of Chalcedon, you should use statistics of communities from that period, not merely subtracting slavs from current EO totals, whilst maintaining your current totals. This is a misrepresentation. Also, you would need to include all Christian communities who remained in communion opposing the smaller non Chalcedonian communities. This essentially includes all of the Roman world stretching across Europe and North Africa

  • @MinaDKSBMSB
    @MinaDKSBMSB 6 місяців тому

    This isn’t how to navigate Chalcedon from an OO perspective. This is how to sympathize with the Chalcedonian position. Flavian wrote a letter to Leo several months after Chalcedon and doesn’t mention being beaten; St. Cyril is recorded to have reconciled with St. John Chrysostom and using Socrates as a source needs to be premised with the fact that he was very anti-Cyrillian (this is the guy who, in slander, loosely ties Cyril to Hypatia); Dioscorus deposed Flavian because he also pushed a 2 nature formula at the home synod of 448; saying the miaphysis formula is an Appolinarian forgery is from Chalcedonian sources over 100 years after Ephesus I dogmatized the one composite nature formula especially with the Theodotus homilies and Gregory Nazianzus letter to Cledonius; the ACOE venerate Theodore of Mopsuesta, Theodoret, and Nestorius so that’s a big problem for obvious reasons of dividing Christ (just go read their writings). Well Michael, you did say you will anger your own people😂! Hopefully this one doesn’t get put in front of the synod habiby. Honestly, this talk is a tragedy of ignorance because you rely too heavily on biased Chalcedonian sources.

  • @Blaisesongs
    @Blaisesongs 7 місяців тому

    “You search the scriptures because in them you think you have eternal life. But they testify of Me, but you do not come to me.” It’s all about the Lord Jesus. All glory to Him.

  • @leftcoastcvmn
    @leftcoastcvmn 8 місяців тому

    The questioning is redundant and a poor oratory tactic.

    • @synthesaurus
      @synthesaurus 5 місяців тому

      Yes, kinda annoying

    • @Jd-808
      @Jd-808 29 днів тому

      People who aren’t you also exist, and are in the audience answering

  • @minasoliman
    @minasoliman 9 місяців тому

    I think we take for granted this idea that the quotes Cyril has are Apollinarian forgeries. There is no proof other than a bunch of Chalcedonians in the sixth century claim so. It’s one of those things I’m beginning to believe is a false accusation.

  • @MarcusBarnabassisSystersSonne

    why does it say "atheism and universe" on the screen?

  • @robertjarman4261
    @robertjarman4261 Рік тому

    Beware. All that glitters is not gold.

  • @tallmikbcroft6937
    @tallmikbcroft6937 Рік тому

    Bless us Father John. I'm sure you may never see this but thank you for opening the Scriptures and handing down the Tradition, the Way. Yeshua Christos. Thank you for blessing us Father John.

  • @rickfries7579
    @rickfries7579 Рік тому

    to 'unveil' to remove the cover. brilliant

  • @susanpower9265
    @susanpower9265 Рік тому

    2015 Coptic film on severus of antioch called the CROWN OF THE SYRIANS

  • @350yardteeshotsmakesgolfez

    Very cocky after he gets that degree. Wants to make sure U KNOW IT geezus this guy. Just give us the data

  • @feeble_stirrings
    @feeble_stirrings 2 роки тому

    Mind blown. What a great talk!

  • @JTCBR
    @JTCBR 2 роки тому

    Good 👍

  • @shanemason4815
    @shanemason4815 2 роки тому

    Prob the best teacher alive today, Orthodox, Protestant, Catholic alike!

  • @justinjoseph9355
    @justinjoseph9355 2 роки тому

    😊😊😊😊

  • @anselman3156
    @anselman3156 2 роки тому

    Why omit "for our sins" from the 1 Corinthians 15 quote about Christ having died? There seems to be modernist Eastern Orthodox resistance to that truth of Christ's sacrifice.

    • @Thedisciplemike
      @Thedisciplemike 11 місяців тому

      Stop reading ill will into things you know nothing about

    • @anselman3156
      @anselman3156 8 місяців тому

      @@phlebas9204 Not sure if I recommended this one, but hope it proved interesting.

    • @bman5257
      @bman5257 29 днів тому

      @@anselman3156Or you’re an uncharitable person with a hermeneutic of suspicion which keeps you trapped in your delusions and biases.

    • @anselman3156
      @anselman3156 29 днів тому

      @@bman5257 I've just listened to lots of online Eastern Orthodox who denigrate the Biblical truth of Christ's sacrifice, which naturally makes me sensitive to the omission of crucial words (no pun intended).

  • @tennesseegirl5539
    @tennesseegirl5539 2 роки тому

    AWESOME POINT WELL MADE

  • @lukasjansen1815
    @lukasjansen1815 2 роки тому

    its a shame how the audience really doesnt seem to get anything what amazing things are spoken

  • @yacoubgirgis6400
    @yacoubgirgis6400 2 роки тому

    Thank you Fr Kaldas

  • @kovalanpachu
    @kovalanpachu 2 роки тому

    The revelation (uncovering) that comes from the Scripture through the anointing (1 John 2:27) that is within versus the creation of it on the outside through symbolisms and sacraments. So people who don’t get by revelation within, get it from the outside to the inside. It seems like!

  • @iya3757
    @iya3757 2 роки тому

    The high priests of Organized religion went backstage, changed their garments from priestly robes, & came back wearing suits (bankers & industrialists) & white coats (scientists/researchers/doctors). Your new religion is Science. It's the same people.

  • @bayreuth79
    @bayreuth79 3 роки тому

    One wonders why it should be so bewilderingly complicated. Imagine that you are a first century Jew who has not encountered the risen Christ: how are you going think about Christian claims that Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified under Pontius Pilate, was/is the Messiah? You are going to think that they are obviously mistaken and probably persecute them. It was thus inevitable that the Jews would reject Christ- at least those who had not encountered the risen lord.

    • @mavisemberson8737
      @mavisemberson8737 2 роки тому

      It was foretold in the Scriptures. Pharisees and Sadducees preferred not to listen for political reasons. but ordinary fishermen and so on listened..

    • @bellingdog
      @bellingdog 7 місяців тому

      He actually was accepted by a LOT of Jews. In fact, many Palestinians today have DNA that shows they are from that region for at least since the Canaanites. Which would indicate their ancestors were Jews who converted to Christ and their faith was more important than their "jewishness"

    • @trevorharrison1989
      @trevorharrison1989 3 місяці тому

      As Christ makes clear in the gospels if they knew the Father, they would know Him.

    • @Joeonline26
      @Joeonline26 Місяць тому

      ​@@bellingdogthis makes no sense. Christ was the fulfilment of their Jewishness. Converting to Christ as a method of moving away from their Judaism would have made no sense to them

  • @triumphonyoutube3659
    @triumphonyoutube3659 3 роки тому

    IF they are not monophysite why don't they sign chalcedon admitting diophysis ?

    • @triumphonyoutube3659
      @triumphonyoutube3659 2 роки тому

      ​@@nathanjohnwade2289 That's the lie of the monophysytes to justify their heresies. Chalcedonians have condemned nestorianism, that's an insult to claim they are nestorians, nestorians don't agree and are not in communion, they believe two persons, dio/mia is two essences, not two person . diophysis is miaphysis in essence, as Chelcedon 2 affirms, it is just detailed in Chalcedon - the meaning of miaphysis, the term dio is later introduces to contrast with mono. Those that don't accept chalcedon don't affirm miaphysis in fullness and are this way in communion with monophysites ! So you are either dio or mono, mia is another name for dio, as Chalcedon 2 clarifies it ! Including the sixth council, that affirms St Cyril again, reaffirming miaphysis includes the essences, that don't mingle and are two , not one ! Those that don't believe the essence don't believe the Trinity , and lie being miaphysites, if they believe the essence as part of the miaphysite definition, they must affirm two essences otherwise they are monophysites !

    • @Nemija
      @Nemija 2 роки тому

      There is more to that then what you think. Burden of history for one.

    • @brotherbear6434
      @brotherbear6434 2 роки тому

      Miaphysites are often labelled Monophysites by Chalchedonians, a label that they reject, basing their theology on the formula of Cyril of Alexandria that spoke of mia (one) physis, not of a mone (lone) physis. this is directly from wikipedia and the basic thing anyone should know. For an explanation please watch the video ua-cam.com/video/JLCzWmg0RSE/v-deo.html

    • @Troy-Moses
      @Troy-Moses 2 роки тому

      The History, Theology, and Spirituality of the Coptic Orthodox Church (w/ Fr. Anthony Mourad) ua-cam.com/video/-GKS8g39qdE/v-deo.html

    • @michaelramsis8901
      @michaelramsis8901 Рік тому

      We are not Monophysite If you call us Monophysite so you give us the right to call you nestorian!! We are not We are Miaphysite Read and learn what our pop Cyril said

  • @mhanna4174
    @mhanna4174 3 роки тому

    Hi Michael. Thanks for a great talk. I just need clarification on your view of Nestor please. Is he a heretic or not? God bless your ministry 🙏♥️

    • @yod922
      @yod922 2 роки тому

      All Oriental Orthodox Churches reject Nestorianism, was denounced in the Council of Ephesus(431AD). The rift between the OO and EO is that the former find elements of Nestorianism in Chalcedon while EO affirms not Nestorianism but the dual natures of Christ in Chalcedon. OO uses 3 fingers in making the sign of the Cross. Trinity. EO uses 2 fingers in making the sign of the Cross. Dual Nature of Christ.

    • @takebackconstantinople82
      @takebackconstantinople82 2 роки тому

      @@yod922 that's false. Where did you come up with that from? EOs make the sign of the Cross with 3 fingers signifying the Holy Trinity

  • @ipray6836
    @ipray6836 3 роки тому

    Christ is risen!

  • @Andronicus_of_Rhodes
    @Andronicus_of_Rhodes 3 роки тому

    Lecture starts at 8:45 - everything prior is basically filler, also very poor sound quality

  • @michaelwissa8580
    @michaelwissa8580 3 роки тому

    🙏🏽

  • @dagwould
    @dagwould 4 роки тому

    If atheism is the default position, that means that naive naturalism is the default philosophy. This is that everything 'just is'. There is no reliable causality...that's a Christian theist legacy, there's no purpose in life...even if you make one up, there is no purpose...that's a Christian theist legacy. There is no point in studying the universe...it 'just is'. Rational curiosity is a Christian theist legacy. All you are left with is a dumb collection of deteminist molecules not sure of what they are or what they are doing, unable to entertain real awe, beauty or genuine discussion, as everything is just determined molecules.

    • @Jambuc829
      @Jambuc829 3 роки тому

      I’m sorry I don’t choose to believe in something or disbelieve in something I find to have a more positive or negative outcome. I believe in things that can be proven or demonstrated. I don’t rely on comforting fictions.

  • @matthewp81
    @matthewp81 5 років тому

    Sound is not working!

  • @ElCineHefe
    @ElCineHefe 6 років тому

    If you can compare the Holy One of Israel to the trinity gods of the heathen, you are engaging in making your own gods from your own heart. God already said He alone is God with no trinities of any other number of gods beside Him. Why do you presume to make polytheistic gods in your own image? Why can you not believe Him?

  • @joevasquez4671
    @joevasquez4671 6 років тому

    False dichotomy after false dichotomy fill this forum and were it not for the foundation of Christ and the following of the teachings of the apostles and the prophets found in the scriptures, this is what the world would be left with in regards to the church.

  • @aletheia3368
    @aletheia3368 6 років тому

    Unfortunately we had some technical difficulties with the video on the night and so the video may be out of sync with the audio at times.

  • @gigisonishvili5281
    @gigisonishvili5281 7 років тому

    Is Atheism the Default Position? no.

    • @Jambuc829
      @Jambuc829 3 роки тому

      Yes it is. When a claim is made without sufficient evidence to support that claim the default position is disbelief. It’s the same thing in court the court has to prove guilt you don’t have to prove innocence that’s the default position. The claim is that a god exist I don’t believe that claim because of a lack of evidence. If someone told me there are no such thing as a god. That’s another claim I would also disbelieve that claim as well until sufficient evidence supports that claim. How is this so hard to understand???

  • @llhand
    @llhand 7 років тому

    This was painful to watch. So first they won't agree on the definition of atheism. Those arguing for the question define atheism as non belief. Pretty simple until those arguing against the question throw out that definition and try to substitute their own. By turning atheism into anti-theism you change the whole debate. Well, this is a philosophy debate so we use the precise definitions of the words, not some random popular definition. An atheist is not anti-theist. Atheist is clearly the default position, both sides agree on that, they only disagree on what the word atheist means. After that they ramble off into a bunch of subjects and never actually address the question and all of them turn out looking like buffoons.

    • @thomascocks9136
      @thomascocks9136 5 років тому

      Its very hard to have an argument when one side insists you hold a position you dont in fact hold :/

  • @oden6506
    @oden6506 7 років тому

    YES

  • @agnosticatheist7529
    @agnosticatheist7529 7 років тому

    Hilarious, should we have a debate next on whether the disbelief in leprechauns is the default position? Disbelief is the default position to any and every unsubstantiated and/or extraordinary claim.

    • @agnosticatheist7529
      @agnosticatheist7529 7 років тому

      Expert Opinion, your wording confuses me, Atheism is only a disbelief in deities, not an absence of any belief. In which, I agree, if there are atheists out there claiming with absolute certainty that gods do not exist, they do have the burden of proof to validate that claim. Still, this has nothing to do with the debate itself. The question is, "Is atheism the default position?" Not "Is certainty or uncertainty the default claim to knowledge on the position of a deity's existence?" Perhaps, the opposition against atheism being the default position should have reworded the question beforehand because as the question stands it isn't conjectured.

    • @agnosticatheist7529
      @agnosticatheist7529 7 років тому

      Expert Opinion, all of those subsets are in agreement, they all disbelieve in deities. The default position is disbelief, which in the case of deities is atheism.

  • @minareyad4490
    @minareyad4490 7 років тому

    where is "how to read the old testament" ? I've been waiting for that one for quite some time

  • @jared_s2
    @jared_s2 7 років тому

    good reinforcement of humility. the sermon was really planned well and stuck to the main points. my preferred type of preaching. im surprised this doesn't have more exposure. is this Catholic church? in your question service - you fail to use a definition of pride to help answer your questions. Ephesians 2:8 and 9 say:we are saved by grace, through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God lest anyone should boast. everything we have is from God. so prideful patriotism is sinful prideful fanatics sinful Mohammed ali's pride in being the best - sin. when all thanks is given tp the LORD, it is righteous. thankful to be in a great country thankful the LORD let my team win thankful God statistically made me the greatest. but even in Ali's case, he would have to presume the LORD never made anyone greater. Which he simply could not do. There surely could have been a God made, better pugilist. Pride is us forgetting that God is #1 and all we have is from Him amd Him alone. redefine pride to your congregation, and use your definition to answer their questions.. make sure yiur definition is derived from inspired word.

  • @Yippofus
    @Yippofus 8 років тому

    So I have found out.

  • @NaChKnOwS
    @NaChKnOwS 8 років тому

    Thank you for the upload! God bless you. btw the sound gets fixed at ~ 14:05

  • @Yippofus
    @Yippofus 8 років тому

    I thought that I would listen to it while I prepared my lunch but the sound is bad.

    • @aletheia3368
      @aletheia3368 8 років тому

      +Rod O'Donnell I'm sorry for the sound Rob, but if you push through only the first 10 min has the sound problem, Sorry for the inconvenience

  • @sugatoniik
    @sugatoniik 8 років тому

    Great videos. Keep it up

  • @Tovec8
    @Tovec8 8 років тому

    New Atheists : Same as the old Atheists, just less willing to let the religious keep them quiet about it.