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Do yall have any thoughts on a third (middle) pan of tap water for economy's sake: Tergitol > Tap water bath > Distilled water bath then you can change the tap water every wash and go longer without changing the distilled

I finally bought the Tergitol and all I can say is it's just another cleaner surfactant that happens to be used by the library of Congress. Does it clean better than any other cleaner? no! I make my own using Dawn dish washing soap and a bit of 90% alcohol pretty much doing the same process as you. With the difference that I can submerge my records without the worry of messing up my labels. All I can say is that Tergitol does not do a better job in no way on the contrary Dawn does a much better job. It was used when oil was accidental spilled in the ocean to wash all the birds that were affected because of the grease cutting ability. The Tergitol in no way improved the cleaning process. Dawn soap cost like $4 and running alcohol like one dollar and some distilled water like $2? Like the cleaning that you are doing cleaning well taken care of records get a records that is beat up and maybe do a sound test before and after and you'll see that Tergitol will fail. I like the process you do with the containers but dip and just a quick scrub like you do ain't going to clean any record that really needs a good cleaning. Tergitol just cost more. Cleaning is all about ph balance alkaline and acid anything over the ph scale over 7 being neutral is alkaline anything under is acid. Tergitol is about 8 on the ph scale and all it is a fancy name for soap and not a great solution to clean you can do better with folex.

Why don’t you use a label saver man. It has a handle and the label won’t get wet. Also you can handle the record as you clean both sides.

Thanks for the video, very informative. What size / brand pans are those? Thanks.

When you rinse the second, third and subsequent records in the second pan of distilled water isn’t there chemicals from prior rinses in that pan? It would seem that you would need to replace the water in the second pan every so often. Thanks for the helpful video.

Wow that stuff is toxic: Nonylphenol Ethoxylat

Hello, how about the Tergitol NP-10 ?

The big problem with air-drying records like you do is that dust is still drawn to the records like a magnet. I don't know about you, but I don't like dust to accumulate on the stylus when playing them. Even a little dust can affect the sound. Another concern is the time is takes for your process. Myself, using my VPI RCM, I will have finished fully cleaning a record and have it playing in less time, and it won't have a spec of dust on it. Through your demonstration, you have shown why you should never get a record label wet. You wouldn't want to clean an old 78 by your method either. Not only would it damage the record but it would also dissolve the label.

actual record cleaning doesn't start for about 9 1/2 minutes...

WOOD GLUE !!!!! Up until I heard that I thought you might have had some sense. And . . . NO-NO-NO-to paper and water bad combo. And . . . velvet isn't soft enough. Giant Camel hair makeup brush + diluted dish soap+hold at angle under tap water for a rinse, DON'T NEED ANYTHING DISTILLED . Less washing time . . . . . more listening time.

You could try something like AdBlue used in diesel engines you buy in 5L tubs fairly cheap. A high purity urea solution diluted in demonized water. If you really got bad records use mineral spirits / white spirit. Best brushes are painters pads or makeup brushes like camel hair. Make sure the wood glue is water soluble PVA not not waterproof? Both of them are water-based, But Waterproof is not the same makeup it can cause issues with the vinyl release agent? The acetate in the waterproof glue can attack the release agent with long exposure make sure you wash it afterwards when using the glue. You can use a bit of isopropyl in that that solution you made 10%. You might want to use a ozone air humidifier next to your records when drying? In your rinse bath put a teaspoon of hair conditioner prevent static

Older vinal albums sounds better than newer ones I've found that I don't tend to buy new alubms I tend to borrow my parents the ones that I grew up listing to

You use this Tegretol (carbamazepine) is an anticonvulsant. It works by decreasing nerve impulses that cause seizures and pain. Tegretol is used to treat certain types of seizures (partial, tonic-clonic, mixed). Tegretol is also used to treat nerve pain such as trigeminal neuralgia and glossopharyngeal neuralgia. ROFL no wait spelling phew that was close.

Do not do this this is not the proper way cleaning records I have been working for records for over 45 years this is not a good idea thank you for posting the video you should do some more research before you post a video of the magnitude people can destroy their vinyl you should put a disclaimer on your video

Please tell us all when you decide to sell these so I don't get excited with lifted labels.

Recently purchased new 180g and 45 rpm pressings. All have been polluted with debris from the process. Anxious to try this out and correct this atrocity. Hard to imagine there isn't a thorough cleansing that occurs after press. Will let you know how it turns out.

Yak, yak, yak, yadda, yadda, yadda. Jesus, 20 minutes to describe dunking an LP into Tergitol, then distilled water? I mean, I appreciate it that you went to the trouble of sharing this information with the world but really, there's only about a minute's worth of valuable information there. (Too many notes, just cut out a few and it'll be perfect!)

Ten minutes or just over talking crap and fucking sniffing 👃👃👃👃👃👃👃

You talk way too much it's a fucking joke and you're constant sniffing down the microphone is so fucking irritating

Sorry, Chris, I'm not a fan of your method. Wetting the labels isn't a good idea. Your new reissue may not be worth much now, but some records, especially audiophile records, will appreciate over time. I also have a concern about scratching the records in the bottom of the pan or just dropping them. I've scratched a couple of Pink Floyd reissues just taking them on and off the turntable let alone doing what you're doing when they're wet. The Wet/Vac method is safer and vacuums everything off rather than leaving any possible residue as your wash water gets more Tergitol in it. I know that the Wet/Vac systems are expensive, but they work very well. The VPI 16.5 is a good unit, so I'd suggest that anyone who's serious about this gets a Wet/Vac system if at all possible or look at the Spin Clean and other more budget models. I'd also suggest using more pure water (Ultra Pure). RO/DI water is best and can be purchased at Whole Foods inexpensively out of the machine; just be sure that you use a very clean bottle to collect it. Rinse the records off more with UP Water if you use a surfactant/detergent like Turgitol. You want to avoid as much residue as possible.

I would never dunk a record in this solution especially with older records.

Is this stuff the same as Ilford Ilfoto?

How about using a dish rack/drainer to dry your records?

I added a second rinse bin and I use a vinyl stack as a label protector. best my records have ever sounded.

REALLY love and appreciate this video. But dear God....WHY did it have to come from Dow Chemical? The same folks who have given me a death sentence from Agent Orange. My luck.

Helpful video, except that you seem to misconstrue what water- or oil-soluble means. You definitely DON'T want to use the S-15-3, as this is dissolvable in oil. In other words, it won't mix with distilled water. You only need the water-soluble S-15-9, and it is important to use this in the correct dilution - don't guess at the mix! The rinse step is critical, of course. Also, you are correct; most labels don't suffer much from getting wet. I have encountered an orange (or red) label that bled dye, and that is an issue - if you don't clean this dye out of the grooves, you will have a bit of a problem.

What an idiot

Its been over a year since I first viewed this (and originally commented). I've now washed probably 1500+ albums, and still believe this is a GREAT method for cleaning vinyl. So simple, economical, and effective! I can now almost do it in my sleep. And...I've never had even one label peel off. I still contend DON'T use the "Oil Soluable" Tergitol (15 S-3). It can't possibly help and could only harm your "oil-based" records. This is a water bath, so ONLY use the 15 S-9 or "Water Soluable" Tergitol at 20 drops per gallon for the wash. I also still believe a 3-dunk (1 wash, 2 rinse) technique is best, because I think the second dunk is needed to remove residue possibly picked up in the first rinse. Just like they do in ANY commercial kitchen when they wash dishes by hand.

seriously?

There is a very important point you missed. TERGITOL HAS A 24 MONTH SHELF LIFE. Its not a life time supply, you have to discard it after 2 years. Look on the MSDS Data Safely Sheet and you'll see it printed there. What happens after 24 months, I don't know, but its not a stable chemical and probably degrades into something you shouldn't use on records. It is, however the best record cleaning product there is, there's no alcohol in it, in fact, adding alcohol destroy it. Very good video. The other thing is that Office Depot no longer has those folder racks, unfortunately. Some dish washing racks will work but most of them don't.

There's so much crazy bad information on record cleaning out there now and I see alot of that repeated here. Alcohol is not good to use on vinyl, the old Discwasher had alcohol in it but less than 1% in solution. I have tried alot of methods and have decided that Dawn and anything with alcohol in it is not good. Where you hear the damage is in the very high frequencies where the grooves are super tiny, very easy to damage and using alcohol is just asking for trouble. Dawn has some alcohol in it. I have gone from using the Spin Wash machine, which works very well, to the Okki Nokki, but vacuuming sucks the wand down hard on your record and may be grinding the dirt into your grooves as its sucking the water out. You never want to use tap water, either, when the water drives it leaves whatever minerals are in your water, in the grooves where your needle will weld them into the walls. The ultimate cleaning method is ultrasonic, in distilled water with a little bit of Tergitol, enough to implement the sonic waves in the water so you can see the pattern in the surface water for strongest cleaning. All methods must include a final distilled water rinse, there is no cleaner that doesn't leave residue behind. If you have a cheap record player, ultimate cleaning methods probably don't matter because low quality consumer record players are damaging your records anyway as you play them and they don't have catridges or a sound system that will hear the damage done. To clean your records you don't want anything rubbing hard on your record, no scrubbing with pressure, you want the most minimalist type of cleaner in high dilution that will easily be rinsed off in distilled water. Now that I've abandoned Dawn myself, I'm not hearing treble damage like I did, where anyone singing an "S" word that ends up sounding like someone scratching sandpaper. Tergitol is used by Canadian government archivists and the LIbrary of Congress, thats how good it is, is leaves pristine grooves cleaned and silent, all these other things like glass cleaner and steaming are just gimmicks, overkill, and just don't work all that great.

@ 9:30, you see why I rarely buy new vinyl. Quality is all over the place. Great vid, and thank you for taking the time. Seems this is a topic where old habits die hard, and feelings get hurt for odd reasons. Science is a good thing.

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Type A Anal, for sure. Then we bounce the disc off a metal file holder. Sheesh

the only way to clean records is with a proper wetvac system. You can build your own for much less than the retail models. there is no way to get clean records without vacuuming the fluids. Rubbing with a rag puts more fluff int eh grooves than you think you are cleaning out. Must vac it all up with the liquid to be clean. Sadly LP's are a lot of work and proper cleaning is a necessity.

Following the basic directions of this video, I have duplicated this at home using deep dish pizza pans from the local sucks-mart. It does make an amazing difference, even on new records. I would be very hesitant to try this on early 45's, but of all the three dozen or so modern LP's and 45's I tried this on, you can't tell that the label was ever wet. Probably not something to try if your stupid/mindless/ect, but I've have very good luck with this method.

How many drops of Tergitol would you use for 1 Litre of distilled water?

label ruiner

Thank you for this video, very helpful and informative.

Thanks for showing that you do need to clean new records! Most of mine are like yours in that they are dusty and dirty brand new out of those cheap paper inner sleeves. I've used the sink method with dish detergent and the label saver, the yellow Spin Clean, and now I have the Nitty Gritty vacuum. The vacuum, using various cleaners and a rinse seems to work the best for me so far. Some of the best cleaners I have used is the one that uses enzymes as one of the steps. This Tergitol solution looks interesting.

If your records aren't that valuable or are, Dawn, 99% Isopropyl alcohol and distilled water in a spray bottle works better...and it's cheaper.

ChrisWiggles does having a third bucket of *a lot* of tap water, or the sink, to wash off the tergitol, sound like a cheaper option, so you don't have to replace the distilled water as often?

I've now washed about 100 albums using this method. I only use the water-soluable Tergitol 15 S-9, (20 drops per gallon) and have had fantastic results so far. Plus, I've seen no evidence this affects the labels at all. My biggest difference from this video is, I decided to use a 3-dunk wash method...one for the Tergitol and then two separate distilled water washes. From start to finish with records back into their jackets, it takes me right at an hour to wash 24 records (I have two racks that hold 12 apiece). I change out the wash/rinse solutions after 12 records, and setup a fan to gently blow on the drying racks. I'd HIGHLY recommend trying this record cleaning method. Simple, low-tech, but extremely effective.

Nice cleaning process, but do you really want to risk ruining even one label? Maybe on a valuable vinyl 45 or LP. Use a Groovmaster Label Saver!

Love your technique. Can't wait to try. I'm accumulating supplies and hope to get started soon. A couple of questions...The Library of Congress site recommends Tergitol 15-S-7. You're using what the Talasonline site sells, both Tergitol 15-S-3 (oil soluble) and 15-S-9 (water soluble). Any idea what the difference is between the 15-S-7 and what you're using? Also, why did you decide to use both types of Tergitol (both oil and water soluble) when you're strictly washing in a water-based solution?

Lol hi I am checking out cleaning them. Thank you again

Hi I'm checking out different ways to clean my records. I like your cleaning method. It all looks great to me. Thank you, peace

Why in the hell are you submerging your PAPER labels under the solution?

man that person in the background vacuuming is really annoying especially when you think someones up in the middle of the night ripping a vac... WOW... weird

God, you are a long winded fellow! And you must stop breathing like that between talking.