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I think more trams would be good for London although maybe not on the 18. The Bakerloo line already parallels a lot of the route between Baker Street and Harlesden and a modern tram would likely skip stops on the 18's line of route.

@athavanainkaran2499 I know. And you didn't mention the tenders for the 30, 67, 95, 231, 304, 397, 474, 491, D6, R9 and W16.

@ oh yes. They also announced it today.

Oh ok. I don't think first would keep the London United, London Sovereign or London Transit logos on buses though (not the legal lettering). And I did make a mistake where I implied that all buses will be refurbished since they obviously won't refurb the ones that are about to be withdrawn or have already been refurbished

Nice

@@MostlyBuses1 damn

@Osk1000 ikr. Someone put in an FOI request for details. We wouldn't have known if they didn't lol

@@MostlyBuses1 i wonder when s4 will get electrics because they will eventually have to retire pretty much all the e200s on the route and there is barely any e200mmcs on the route so they would have to order electrics so maybe the electrics could eventually go onto s3 However they could keep the short euro 6 yy64 plate e200s on the route for longer

GoAhead and RATP stopped speccing them with the blue lights around 2011 but I'm not sure why tbh

They look like the same colour but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a different shade of light blue. The RATP ones with yellow handrails are all gone now. I'm pretty sure they are ex NCP challenger / NSL buses

I think you're in the majority tbh. A lot of people agree with you (including me)

@ Interestingly the First 2024 livery has still got the old logo.

@31128Charybdis I think they still haven't officially switched yet

@ The new advert by First for First Leicester ( no clue why I’m getting that in York ) uses that as its logo.

@@Abdul.M. agreed. BZLs would be really nice

@cplayzstuff6907 it's not confirmed yet but I will make a follow up video when it is

@@MostlyBuses1 alright

@Penhouse9476 oh yeah thanks for the correction. I think I did quite well considering this was from memory

@busestransporta-z781nice. It's one of my favorites too just because of how frequent it is. imo people who are local to the 18 are kind of spoilt even if it's always crowded on weekdays

@@adarsh.m1999 agreed. I think it should run express between Blackwall and Canning Town

And it also has two long unique sections as well as being very frequent (sometimes more frequent than the Bakerloo line after Queen's Park)

Thanks!

I'm ok with it as long as the Gemini 3s get used to win the 207 or other routes

The G3s will be reallocated. Just wait for the tenders on routes like the 452 etc. I doubt the 207 will go back to first with the VHs, it’ll go electric either way or could go fully MMC operation with the 270/285’s Smarts especially if the 285 goes electric or is lost. First could bid for the 285 with VHs from the 18 too tbh

207 is a very heavy route, requiring just 9 buses less and is very demanding and very busy. Despite it being surrounded by alternative routes based off of it.

@@zfs.59 hmmm good thinking that makes sense bro.

@@MostlyBuses1 hmm ok

@spottymaxy1628 yeah if there's a longer wait for a bus it's almost always going to be more crowded but the 18 runs so frequently there will probably be another bus coming soon anyways. That being said I'm not local to the 18 and I bet it gets packed and horrible to use at rush hour. I filmed this video on the weekend to avoid all the crowding

I've never taken the 18 in rush hour so I can't imagine how bad it is but it's a very good route to ride on the weekends since it's still extremely frequent. A lot of buses were curtailed on Saturday though

@@MostlyBuses1I suppose routes that parallel rail services for long distances (25,29 & 86) are some other examples get so busy due to locals pouring onto them from the stations or if the line runs into an issue they fill up rapidly.

​@AB-ii5piu forgot GOAT route 5 bus 😂😂😂 (Canning town bus station to Romford market). Literally near my house on barking road A124 2-3 comes at a time no matter weekday or weekend.

@@adarsh.m1999 the difference between the 5 & those other routes mentioned is that the 5 doesn’t parallel a tube or rail service (district line doesn’t go towards Romford so that doesn’t count). The 25/86 parallel the Elizabeth line while the 29 largely parallels the Piccadilly line (except around the Kings Cross area). 18 parallels the Bakerloo/Overground for most of its route.

​@AB-ii5piI wouldn't really say the 29 parallels the Piccadilly line although I did think of the 263 which sort of follows the Northern line as well. The 94 also parallels a large section of the Central line and it was very busy last time I used it.

I don't use a camera but I have been on a lot of buses from RP recently

Apparently some are transferring to First

@ god help first

did you watch the video? Because if you did you would know

watch the video. The destination isn't changing

Ok

hi

@albertcooper9217 hi again

@@LTZ1729 The Gemini 2s are allocated to the 220 now after most of the ADEs at RP were sold so they'll be staying on that route until it comes up for tender soon. No one knows what will happen to the Gemini 3s but I hope that First will be able to use them to get the 207.

@@robinthapa7742 I don't think so, although some ex First buses do run on the 406 and 418 which doesn't really count

@@Abdul.M. agreed, although I'll be sad to see RATP go

@MostlyBuses1 sad to see RATP go my local operator my local routes 235 and 65 and 110 be first

@@eastlancsesteem no, he's a good mayor (in my opinion). I think now that Labour is in power they'll fund it soon (it's why tube and TfL's rail fares are rising but bus fares are capped).

@@nathanw9770 Thanks. And yeah if RATP have already ordered the buses I think it could be more Electroliners since that's what the 31 is getting and they seem to have more capacity than the BD11s judging by that video of one of their interiors.

The 18’s PVR use to be close to 50 back in the days. RATP I remember when they won the route, they ordered a lot of BF67 VHs from VH45216-251 but they could order only so much that they got some spare 65 and 16 regs to cover the rest of the PVR. The spare VHs were meant to deck the 72 in 2016 but it didn’t happen so they went to the 18’s big win. The 18 did have a fair few PVR cuts which released VH45247-251 to the 423 as well as VH45255-257 which was ridiculous as the 18 should never have had PVR curs

@@eastlancsesteem same. But who knows, maybe First could surprise us with a different interior colour scheme this time

@@drewphillips2359 Agreed. If they rerouted the 23 and made it a Hammersmith to Wembley Central route I think it would do quite well. They could even reduce the 18's frequency on the weekends although nothing too drastic obviously.

The 23 plan is stupid, I don’t support that one bit. It’s always been a central London route and even then I don’t like what’s happened to the 45. The 45 was a well used central London route until it got cut to elephant and now it’s basically becoming a Morden to Camberwell route. I’m happy the 23 is staying at Aldwych, the routing via green park has done better than the 6 ever has tbh

Even if it is not route 23, tfl should consider having another route that can take passengers from central London to the national stadium

Yeah I was surprised to hear the news as I thought it was staying at a London United garage. I wasn't expecting it to get electrics either

RP is closing soon as well so it won't be able to run the 18 for much longer

@@MostlyBuses1 RP simply isn't needed and is the reason this company does have its own problems where ex-Tower Transit going to benefit from late 2017 space has been up to 150 capacity, old PK closed in 2017.

@@MostlyBuses1220 will probably move to V to share common fleets with the E3 while the 224 would probably be won by Metroline again.

@HamzaTransport2007 many of their routes aren't profitable and they want to focus on urban rail operations

Agreed. It's good to see it going back to (an ex) First garage. Hopefully it'll get moved soon so that ADHs stray on it (hopefully even a VDW as well). I think RATP might not have placed an order yet so it could be First who orders buses, although I think it'll be Electroliners either way.

⁠@@MostlyBuses1ooh a VDW straying onto the route is the closest thing you can get to one of the BF60’s straying onto the route. It’s a shame they were withdrawn after only 7 years.

Yeah a VDW would be the closest thing to the Metroline West B9TL days on the 18 when it had those BF60 VWs. The thing is, they only lasted 7 years as they were leased so once the 18 was lost to RATP and mind you the route did have a higher PVR up to nearly 50 buses, there was just lots of VWs spare and there was nowhere for them to go for Metroline to extend the lease so they had to go either way. I remember one or two BF60 lasted at AH until early 2018 for a while covering for the 190’s off the road single decks and for refurb floats for the 237/E2’s 10/60 reg batches

@wizzyozzy I think they will be 17 in 2028. I was hesitant to put that in the video because I thought TfL didn't allow buses to be more than 15 years old at the start / end of contracts but apparently the 56 is keeping the LX61s.

RATP London will no longer operating London Buses forever. R.I.P - RATP London!

@@MuhammedRahman-d4l That's what the last video was about

But at the same time childhood will be back in London first!

@@OmarZamel-w8v Yeah it's quite nice to see them return to routes like the 18

@NathaanRagasaaRooks why? It's meant to be electric by next year. The HTs are probably going to another route

@ ok

@NathaanRagasaaRooks and btw the deadline for EVs is now 2030, not 2034

@@southeastlondontransport5859 oh yeah I did. It was because this was meant to be paired with the D8 and 46 video and the D8 is getting electrics which is why I put 3 routes instead of 2.

@MostlyBuses1 ohh fair enough

@HampshireTransport007 They already increased it to 39 in August