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I was Trek fan, even Captained a fab club, back im the 90s. We recognized 3 distinct types of Star Trek fans: Trekkers who just watch the shows and like them; Trekkies who've watched everything, know the trivia, buy some merch, and have been to a convention or two; and Trekologists who've read the books, buy the actual props from the shows, travel to conventions out of state, and make the fan-films. Even back then, we made them on camcorders and showed them to our fan clubs instead of posting them on UA-cam, but we absolutely had fan films.

They sort of did acknowledged that First Contact changed things in Voyager: Relativity when Seven was discussing Paradoxes and that Starfleet/Federation owes it's existence to the Borg. This gives off the "What if the Borg never went back in time?" question... would the Terran Universe be the prime one as hinted in ENT: The Mirror, Darkly; or without the Borg at First Contact would humans be more like the Confederation from ST Picard season 2?

Nice try but std snw and Picard season 1-2 are completely trash and should be expunged from the canon

IMHO major timeline changes are few and far between, and more or less in the order the various series began. TOS, TNG, and DS9 are set in the Prime timeline. VOY:"Future's End" alters the timeline: the computer revolution is not supposed to have happened. All future technology in series beginning after this point is now more advanced, including Archer's Enterprise. The Borg incursion in STVIII:"First Contact" alters the timeline again: after ENT:"Regeneration" the technology is presumably reverse-engineered, allowing for Discovery, Pike's Enterprise and the Kelvin-timeline Enterprise to be more technologically advanced than the TOS-era Enterprise was.

Sorry but Star Trek Picard was essentially the Titans series for Star Trek. Characters we knew but were absolutely butchered with horrible stories and so many unlikeable new characters.

This is a fun thought. And has good standing behind it...but How about gee. Idk. Disco and SNW being in the prime timeline, and those who complain about how it looks can just suck it up, cause it's not an alternate timeline. It is apart of the Canon. It looks different cause we have progressed 50 years in CGI, and different visions have come. Grow up. Just cause you don't like how something looks, does not mean you should dismiss it into another timeline. It's ridiculous. (Refering to "you" as in "the ones who dislike the look of new shows)

They address this in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. They acknowledge that the timeline has been changed-- a Romulan Time agent trying to kill a young Khan in the 21st century mentions that Khan was originally born in the '90's but the timeline was altered. The way I interpreted this was that the Original Series, ST:TNG, DS9 and Voyager are the "original" unaltered timeline. then that timeline enters the 25th centure and the temporal wars break out, with both sides editing the timeline, and we end up with Discovery/SNW/Picard (including Picard because an episode shows the SNW Enterprise, and the future lives of the crew have diverged from what was projected at the end of the series).

It's literally not The Federation. So it's not Star Trek. It's not that hard to understand. If I don't recognise the Federation then it's all fake... like, where is the culture we know, it doesn't exist in the new era. Pass. Hard pass.

I like your idea. And I think it's really solid. Unfortunately the character of Michael Burnham is the biggest "Mary Sue" of this generation. I'm not sure I could stomach anymore of her hushed speeches. Lol!

The real problem now is Star Trek has embraced a divergent paradox resolution to time travel. On one side you have the causality problem posed by the temporal contamination of the Borg and on the other you have the fractured multiverse resolution of causality posed by the Kelvin-verse timeline. Reconciling how one time travel event creates a butterfly effect and the other doesn't is problematic for canon. There's also the Temporal Prime Directive and Temporal Wars which do not answer why so many temporal incursions by Starfleet officers such as Kirk, Picard, Janeway and Sisko were permitted. I would like to see the root causality of what created the Borg and the Mirror universe, but every time Trek gets close to the answer the point of origin seems to move in canon.

Kurzman Trek is not canon. It is just very lazy story telling and the m. finger to fans. They just violate everything regarding canon and chuck of everything wrong with dumb explanations. They should cancel this stuff and let talented fans handle it. It feels more like a wet dream of woke that no fan should except that. Picard Season 3 was too little too late.

I mean in my head canon the Disco timeline is separate from Prime and Kelvin. I know that's not "canon" but it's the only way I can logically grapple with it. I enjoy the show (and am happy it spun off SNW), but the tech looking too different is a bit much (I know, it's not 1966, but at least Enterprise tried).

Hmm. Still doesn't explain the Eugenics Wars of 1993 - 1996. I hate Nu-Trek but SNW already fixed this. Discovery, SNW and Picard are all set in an altered universe very similar but different from established canon. Tomorrow, Tomorrow and Tomorrow explained it.

I think people focus too much on superficial inconsistencies because they don’t realize the reason they don’t like it, which is the writing

U ripped this idea off nick picking nerd.

Or old fans can finally throw away their pacifiers and grow up.

Lol no

They all suck all these new ones and I’ll never watch them. They stray way too far.

For some its all the big errors and that would bee to obvious if they watched and payed attention to the og shows stop making huge jumps simple bridges make new og kirk and crew and dont frake it up

One of my favorite fan theories involves that scene in First Contact where the Enterprise crew prove to Cochran that they’re from the future by showing him the Enterprise E through a telescope. Seeing it shocked him in the movie. We later learned in Star Trek: Enterprise that Cochran worked on future starships for decades, including the warp 5 engine for the NX-01. Seeing the E through that telescope may have influenced his design choices for a starship - nacelles angled upwards above a saucer shaped ship - and that changed how starships were designed way earlier than they would have naturally evolved. This explains why the NX-01 looks “too advanced”, why Pike’s Enterprise has swept back nacelles before the refit design of the movies, etc. It’s a simple theory but also makes a ton of sense 🖖

new star trek (with the exception of picard S3) are all trash written by moneys with typewriters which assume that the target audience general intelligence and knowledge is also at the level of a monkey. This is especially true for Discovery.

It's sy-fy, who really cares. As long as it's quality, it's not the Bible.

I like this concept and would love to see it implemented. But I really don't see how it would tie things together any more than the concept of alternate timelines already does. At best it would just show that modern trek is another alternate universe, which it pretty much already is without acknowledging that it is.

It would make sense that every series after First Contact like Discovery, Strange New Worlds, etc are in Star Trek Canon while being in a changed timeline thus explaining the SNW Enterprise appearing in PIC S1 and the Fleet Museum showing the TOS Enterprise in S3. Those who say Discovery or SNW isn't Canon, it is now if you connect the dots because it all makes sense. Even if the producers say it's prime timeline, they are right in a way. It'd be like the Star Trek version of Marvel's multiverse.

Bro just spent 10 minutes explaining why imposter shows that were never really part of ST can somehow be shoehorned into ST.

I've had a similar thought since Enterprise. My head canon was always that everything shown after First Contact was a sort of shifted timeline. At first everything seemed the same (DS9, Voyager mostly), but as the series/time went on there's a sort of ripple effect changing things (Enterprise). Then you get further away and things have really shifted to the point that there's visual differences. (Discovery, SNW, The Disco Enterprise showing up as a hologram in PIC Season 1). It's not a perfect theory, but it works well enough for me. Your mileage may vary, etc.

I’ve often thought the same thing. Even Cochrane’s glimpses of the Enterprise-E could have easily influenced early starship design. Saucers and swept back nacelles appear earlier, superseding stuff like Daedalus.

the voyager episode relativity ruins your theory, when 7 of 9 is asked for an example of a pogo paradox she uses the events of first contact.

While I love this idea… with all due respect, longtime fans such as myself (since the 1970s) don't care THAT much about canon deviations. There have ALWAYS been some degree of canon deviation from series to series and movie to movie etc. Often times it's explained in a later story/series. The problem we have is that everything since 2005 has been garbage writing. It has been total and purposeful disrespect. It's been reimagined for "modern audiences" using "the message" driven indoctrination stories. Before 2005 it was an optimistic view of the future that appealed to everyone. Since then, they've TOTALLY lost the plot. Everything is pessimistic and nihilistic. Yes it's all flashy and exciting but so is a polished turd. I think on some level you know this as your specifically qualify your love for Picard as "Picard S3". There is nothing that can ever fix this unless they actually use your idea. They make a movie or a series where they go back in time to the just after the events of First Contact, and remove the Borg debris. They RESTORE the original timeline and erase the last 20 years. Then they can return to making Star Trek the promise of a bright and hopeful future for humanity like it was for 39yrs. But that will never happen. "No, there comes a time when a man finds that he can't fall in love again… Computer, shut this bloody thing off."

The timeline changed the instant TOS went back in time in the first season. It kept changing every time there was time travel. That and retcons are inevitable, but sci fi gives you the excuse to use it as a plot point.

I think classic ST fans take issue with new ST story telling. It hasn't been true to trek. ST Strange New Worlds is the only new show that tells traditional Trek like stories.

With the "talent" they have now, no thanks

If you didn't change a Canon Event, The timeliness corrected itself

Love the video. The only issue I have is that if the timeline was changed by Star Trek First Contact, how would anyone in the other Star Trek TV shows realize this and thus there's no reason for them to think that there's anything to fix.

Its not just the timeline. That is a big part of it. But its how the stories are told.

Maybe the Emissary of the Prophets Benjamin Sisko Brings Everyone together to Solve this Time Anomaly.

I am all onboard with First Contact changing the timeline. How could it not?

I’ve said this from the beginning. The timeline was altered after first contact!!

Star Trek 5 established that Spock has family he doesn't talk about. For me the fun changes to reconcile are what's going on with the Klingons. A Romulan mining craft doesn't explain the Klingons we saw in Into Darkness and a revived Borg doesn't explain the Disco Klingons. Worf is still Worf in Picard. So we're the other Klingons failed attempts to remove the Augment adaptations from Enterprise or an isolated off shoot of Klingons who had such an extreme ethnic look that they didn't get infected by it?

That is an interesting proposed theory. I have been watching Star Trek with my son for a fear years and the issue of timelines keeps coming around so we stick to a linear approach, Next Gen - DS9 - Next Gen Movies and just recently started the Kelvin timeline. It's great to take this journey again with him. He's 15. As for collection stuff, I have a number of Next Gen and OG figures from the 90s, including a BORG SPHERE from 1996' First Contact. Also a DS9 model that I built. I also loved Picard and bought it on DVD. Thanks for your video!

That's not happening because save William Shatner, Walter Keonig, and George Takai, the original cast is dead. Which means that crossover is DoA.

I have had this idea since Ent aired. First Contact split timelines. So the Picard of Picard isn't Picard of TNG. Just like Spock from Disco/JJ isn't the Spock from TOS but Ent.

I've thought the same thing for many years. You see, I thought about it with Enterprise, mainly because there was never any mention of the NX series ships until after the events of First Contact. When Discovery came out it just made even more sense why things aren't the same, great idea on a crossover event.

I think this was verified in Strange New Worlds - the episode with the Romulan time agent on earth trying to kill Khan. She verified that events had changed the past so that Khan came about in 2024 instead on 1996 or earlier. It’s not JUST STFC, it’s TOS interactions with Edith Keeler, Picard et al in San Francisco with Guinan and Mark Twain, Sisco in 2024 bell riots, voyager in 1996. This is why there are temporal agent and poor Captain of the Relativity went off the reservation due to time sickness. These guys have a$$ f$&@ed the timeline till it prolapsed. I think what you are proposing is a Star Trek version of Crises on Infinite Earths. In that they finally made all the discrete earths reform into one and eliminated the multiverse.

So yes ST 8 First Contact chanced the timeline

My theory was similar to yours, although I conceived of my theory 10 years ago, predatied ST: Discovery. My theory stemmed in how First Contact resulted in the Kelvin timeline.

In my own head-canon, everything after Star Trek: First Contact is in an alternate timeline. It's the only way that I can accept Star Trek: Enterprise. Cochrane was influenced by what he saw when Riker and Geordi showed him the Enterprise-E.

7:53 The main character in “Avengers: Infinity War" was Thanos. He is the character that all the other characters are reacting to. Thanos is collecting the Infinity Stones and everyone else is trying to stop him and the fail. Thanos could almost be seems as Indiana Jones on a hunt for artifacts and the Avengers as the ones that try to stop him.

I watched the last season of ToS air, the movies premier (met with Doohan in Tacoma for the premiere of The Motion Picture because he was visiting his daughter who lived in Lakewood). Excitedly watched the lackluster premiere of TNG and then saw it mature to greatness. Enjoyed DS9 even while acknowledging it was largely adrift without anyone at the helm. Love Voyager, even the aborted ending (several of them). But then the Kelvin timeline premiered, and full fledged identity politics arrived. It got worse and worse with Discovery, and then the premiere of Pickard, turning my most beloved captain into a bumbling, apologetic loser (shear fucking hubris). Lower Decks actually brought me back, and I'm sort of enjoying SNW. Sort of. My point is they changed it on purpose, largely for an audience who was never trekers, and never will be. And that was stupid. I can see what they're doing with SNW, acknowledging that the timeline has changed, but it's just trying to explain poor writing and rewrites for 'modern audiences', and I'm not impressed.

So everything after 1996 is not canon.. got it. Because basically we’re in an alternate reality, and not in the prime universe.