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Hard Fork
Приєднався 6 жов 2023
Hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore stories from the bleeding edge of tech.
What’s real? What’s hype? “Hard Fork” is here to help you make sense of it. Weekly on Fridays.
What’s real? What’s hype? “Hard Fork” is here to help you make sense of it. Weekly on Fridays.
DeepSeek Deep Dive | EP 121
This week we go even deeper on DeepSeek. ChinaTalks’ Jordan Schneider joins us to explain the Chinese A.I. industry and to break down the reaction inside of China to DeepSeek’s sudden success. Then … hello, Operator! We put OpenAI’s new agent software to the test. And finally, all aboard for another ride on the Hot Mess Express!
**NOTE** Episode 120 was the emergency DeepSeek episode from Jan 27 and there was no UA-cam video, so if you're looking for it, it's on podcast platforms in audio form only.
Guest:
Jordan Schneider, founder and editor in chief of ChinaTalk
www.chinatalk.media/
Additional Reading:
Why DeepSeek Could Change What Silicon Valley Believes About A.I.
www.nytimes.com/2025/01/28/technology/china-deepseek-ai-silicon-valley.html
OpenAI launches its agent
www.platformer.news/openai-operator-ai-agent-hands-on/
Fable, a Book App, Makes Changes After Offensive A.I. Messages
www.nytimes.com/2025/01/03/us/fable-ai-books-racism.html
Amazon Pauses Drone Deliveries After Aircraft Crashed in Rain
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-17/amazon-pauses-drone-deliveries-after-aircraft-crashed-in-rain
Chapters:
00:00:00 - Coming up
00:00:28 - ChatGPT positive affirmation
00:01:16 - this week on the show
00:01:35 - DeepSeek Deep Dive
00:29:22 - Using OpenAI’s Operator AI agent
00:53:46 - Hot Mess Express
01:09:47 - Kevin Made a Casey Joke
Hard Fork is a weekly look into the future that's already here. Hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore stories from the bleeding edge of tech.
Casey’s publication, Platformer: www.platformer.news/
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Credits
“Hard Fork” is hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton. Produced by Rachel Cohn and Whitney Jones. Edited by Rachel Dry. Executive Producer, Jen Poyant Engineering by Alyssa Moxley and original music by Dan Powell, Elisheba Ittoop and Marion Lozano. Our audience is Nell Gallogly. Video production by Ryan Manning and Chris Schodt. Video QC by Isabella Anderson. Podcast Art Direction by Benjamin Wilkerson Tousley. Podcast Art & Animations by Julian Hespenheide. Additional Motion graphics by Phil Robibero. Thumbnails by Julia Moburg, Elizabeth Bristow, and Harshal Duddalwar. Special thanks to Paula Szuchman, Pui-Wing Tam, Nell Gallogly, Kate LoPresti and Jeffrey Miranda.
**NOTE** Episode 120 was the emergency DeepSeek episode from Jan 27 and there was no UA-cam video, so if you're looking for it, it's on podcast platforms in audio form only.
Guest:
Jordan Schneider, founder and editor in chief of ChinaTalk
www.chinatalk.media/
Additional Reading:
Why DeepSeek Could Change What Silicon Valley Believes About A.I.
www.nytimes.com/2025/01/28/technology/china-deepseek-ai-silicon-valley.html
OpenAI launches its agent
www.platformer.news/openai-operator-ai-agent-hands-on/
Fable, a Book App, Makes Changes After Offensive A.I. Messages
www.nytimes.com/2025/01/03/us/fable-ai-books-racism.html
Amazon Pauses Drone Deliveries After Aircraft Crashed in Rain
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-17/amazon-pauses-drone-deliveries-after-aircraft-crashed-in-rain
Chapters:
00:00:00 - Coming up
00:00:28 - ChatGPT positive affirmation
00:01:16 - this week on the show
00:01:35 - DeepSeek Deep Dive
00:29:22 - Using OpenAI’s Operator AI agent
00:53:46 - Hot Mess Express
01:09:47 - Kevin Made a Casey Joke
Hard Fork is a weekly look into the future that's already here. Hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore stories from the bleeding edge of tech.
Casey’s publication, Platformer: www.platformer.news/
FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL
TikTok:www.tiktok.com/@hardfork?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc
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Kevin Roose- kevinroose?hl=en
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Kevin - x.com/kevinroose?s=20
Casey - x.com/CaseyNewton?s=20
Threads:
Kevin - www.threads.net/@kevinroose
Casey - www.threads.net/@crumbler
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Apple - podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hard-fork/id1528594034
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Google - podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zaW1wbGVjYXN0LmNvbS9sMmk5WW5UZA==
The New York Times - www.nytimes.com/column/hard-fork
Credits
“Hard Fork” is hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton. Produced by Rachel Cohn and Whitney Jones. Edited by Rachel Dry. Executive Producer, Jen Poyant Engineering by Alyssa Moxley and original music by Dan Powell, Elisheba Ittoop and Marion Lozano. Our audience is Nell Gallogly. Video production by Ryan Manning and Chris Schodt. Video QC by Isabella Anderson. Podcast Art Direction by Benjamin Wilkerson Tousley. Podcast Art & Animations by Julian Hespenheide. Additional Motion graphics by Phil Robibero. Thumbnails by Julia Moburg, Elizabeth Bristow, and Harshal Duddalwar. Special thanks to Paula Szuchman, Pui-Wing Tam, Nell Gallogly, Kate LoPresti and Jeffrey Miranda.
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Are We Losing The War on Attention?
Переглядів 1,6 тис.День тому
MSNBC’s Chris Hayes joins us to discuss his new book about attention. This is a clip from episode 119 ua-cam.com/video/OuXVxUjEF_A/v-deo.html Guest: Chris Hayes, MSNBC Host and author of “The Sirens’ Call” sirenscallbook.com/ Additional reading: Chris Hayes: I Want Your Attention. I Need Your Attention. Here Is How I Mastered My Own. www.nytimes.com/2025/01/03/opinion/chris-hayes-msnbc-attentio...
Is the Trump Coin a Scam?
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We pump up the fun with memecoins and explore how the Trump family is cashing in. This is a cool from episode 119: Additional Reading: ua-cam.com/video/OuXVxUjEF_A/v-deo.html Trump’s Cryptocurrency Surges to Become One of the World’s Most Valuable www.nytimes.com/2025/01/19/us/politics/trump-cryptocurrency-surges.html Hard Fork is a weekly look into the future that's already here. Hosts Kevin R...
TrumpTok | EP 119
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This week, TikTok died, came back to life - and now exists in a kind of limbo state. We break down what that may signal for how tech does business with the new Trump administration. Then we pump up the fun with memecoins and explore how the Trump family is cashing in. And finally, MSNBC’s Chris Hayes joins us to discuss his new book about attention. Chapters: 00:00:00 - Coming up 00:00:19 - Sil...
Did AI Cause The Wildfires?
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We talk with an A.I. industry insider about what we actually know about how bad artificial intelligence is for the environment. This is a clip from episode 118: ua-cam.com/video/M6H37yRIuWw/v-deo.html Hard Fork is a weekly look into the future that's already here. Hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore stories from the bleeding edge of tech. Casey’s publication, Platformer: www.platformer.n...
10 Tips to Increase Masculine Energy
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After Mark Zuckerberg’s recent appearance on Joe Rogan’s podcast, Casey offers Kevin some ideas for how to bring more “masculine energy” to Meta. This is a clip from episode 118: ua-cam.com/video/M6H37yRIuWw/v-deo.html Hard Fork is a weekly look into the future that's already here. Hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore stories from the bleeding edge of tech. Casey’s publication, Platformer...
Goodbye TikTok | EP 118
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The deadline for TikTok to sell or to face a ban is fast approaching. We discuss how Supreme Court justices who opted Friday to uphold the law reacted to arguments in the case, whether the Chinese government might allow Elon Musk to buy the app, and why self-proclaimed TikTok refugees are rushing to a different Chinese app, called RedNote. Then, we talk with an A.I. industry insider about what ...
Is AGI on the Horizon?
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We’ll explain why 2025 is already shaping up to be a huge year in A.I. - with models like OpenAI’s o3, Google’s Gemini 2.0 and DeepSeek, from China, stirring discussion that superintelligence is near. This is a clip from episode 117: ua-cam.com/video/gLzQGGCUJns/v-deo.html Additional Reading: OpenAI Unveils New A.I. That Can ‘Reason’ Through Math and Science Problems www.nytimes.com/2024/12/20/...
Meta Goes MAGA Mode | EP 117
Переглядів 9 тис.21 день тому
This week, Meta announced a series of content moderation changes that will transform the way the social media company’s platforms deal with misinformation and hate speech. We break down what these changes will mean for users and why the company seems to be caving to the right’s arguments on censorship. Then, we’ll explain why 2025 is already shaping up to be a huge year in A.I. - with models li...
2025 Tech Predictions! | EP 116
Переглядів 10 тис.Місяць тому
This week, it’s our yearly tech predictions. We’ll review what we got right and wrong about 2024, and tell you what we think is going to happen in 2025. Then we’ll discuss how we want to interact with tech in the new year. Plus, we’ll answer some of your listener questions. We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on UA-cam and TikTok.
We Tried Amazon's New 1 Hour Drone Delivery | EP 114
Переглядів 18 тис.Місяць тому
This week, we took a field trip to the Phoenix suburbs to see Amazon’s newest iteration of drone delivery service in action. We toured the facility where these drones are in operation, spoke with the vice president and general manager of Prime Air, David Carbon, and watched from a local backyard as our own order dropped from the sky. Chapters: 00:00:00 - Coming up 00:00:07 - Phoenix, AZ 00:01:5...
Claude: The Tech Scene’s Hottest A.I
Переглядів 6 тис.Місяць тому
We talk about a new sentiment sweeping Silicon Valley: affection for the chatbot Claude. Kevin's piece: "The Cult of Claude" www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/technology/claude-ai-anthropic.html This is a clip from episode 113: ua-cam.com/video/cyUVfkO2t_A/v-deo.html Hard Fork is a weekly look into the future that's already here. Hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore stories from the bleeding edg...
Will Trump Ban TikTok? | EP 113
Переглядів 10 тис.Місяць тому
Last Friday, a panel of federal judges denied TikTok’s petition to overturn the law that could force the ban of the app in the United States. We walk through the judges reasoning and explain why TikTok’s First Amendment argument was unsuccessful. Then, Julian Kelly, the director of quantum hardware at Google Quantum AI, explains how close we are to quantum computers that can solve practical pro...
The A.I. Timeline is Accelerating...
Переглядів 11 тис.Місяць тому
This is a clip from episode 112: ua-cam.com/video/CWB1DDDVGgU/v-deo.html Kevin and Casey report back from an artificial intelligence conference, where experts debated how long it would take to build a structure around the sun to capture the star’s energy - also known as a Dyson sphere. Hard Fork is a weekly look into the future that's already here. Hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore sto...
What Happened to Intel? | EP 112
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This week, Pat Gelsinger stepped down as chief executive of Intel. We talk with The New York Times’s Don Clark about why Gelsinger was ousted, what it means for the chip industry and how his departure could affect national security. Then, Kevin and Casey report back from an artificial intelligence conference, where experts debated how long it would take to build a structure around the sun to ca...
100 Most Iconic Technologies - Hard Fork | EP 111
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100 Most Iconic Technologies - Hard Fork | EP 111
Razzlekhan: The "Crypto Queen" is going to jail
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Razzlekhan: The "Crypto Queen" is going to jail
Trump's Next Online Speech Cop | EP 110
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Trump's Next Online Speech Cop | EP 110
What Social Network DOESN'T Suck? | Clip
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What Social Network DOESN'T Suck? | Clip
5 Productivity Hacks with ChatGPT’s Head of Product
Переглядів 7 тис.2 місяці тому
5 Productivity Hacks with ChatGPT’s Head of Product
I Let A.I. Make Every Decision | Interview
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I Let A.I. Make Every Decision | Interview
The Vatican’s Mascot Got Rule 34ed | Clip
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The Vatican’s Mascot Got Rule 34ed | Clip
Is This Betting Site More Accurate Than Polls? | Interview
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Is This Betting Site More Accurate Than Polls? | Interview
Why Bezos Silenced The Post | EP 107
Переглядів 9 тис.3 місяці тому
Why Bezos Silenced The Post | EP 107
Can A.I. Be Blamed For a Teen’s Suicide? | Interview
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Can A.I. Be Blamed For a Teen’s Suicide? | Interview
Uber Wants You to Hail a Robotaxi | Interview
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Uber Wants You to Hail a Robotaxi | Interview
Dozens of fit/smart watch owners just gave their watches nervous glances 😂
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Omg, I usually just hear the pod. Seeing both host feels weird. I thought kevin is casey n vice versa 😮
No, there is no way it'll ever amount to much more than it is now, have you been on there, the quality of people is so low bar, these people are very close to actually retarded on there from what I've seen. They are very depressing as well.
And turns out it not that big a deal. With the release of deep seek and how it train on artificial data and still came out just as good as other llm but more efficient, I think this argument should be thrown away.
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Business model for DS? Conventional models: 1. 利人利己 - win win 2. 损人利己- profit from devastating opponents 3. 损己利人- self sacrifice 4. 损人害己 - pyrrhic victory 5. 损人不利己 - just f*** u 6. 利人 - utopia
Why you guys fail to address why everything first starts in America, then the rest of the world? Why a person from a certain ethnic background only gets creative when they reach the US? Why China with 1.5 billion people has no Noble laureates? Why they don't have any original innovations, not even a single one within the last 50 years? Is it possible, theoretically, for a group of people to create a DeepSeek within a year, without external help, bought or acquired in a different way? I can tell you with confidence that it is not, i.e. zero possibility.
中国的牌是一张张出的,等着看吧
I generally like your podcasts, but there is way too much imprecision on the parts of the hosts in this edition for it to give an accurate understanding of the implications of r1.
Google's Gulf of America is a hot mess.
I'm a fan of you guys and I am with Casey on his "hot mess" call on Trump renaming the Gulf of Mexico. But then I am a geographic GIS guy, so there's that. Also, Casey has sick style-o going with the CONDUCTOR slant. Yo! On a side note, you guys should seriously consider interviewing Adam Curtis before he goes to the other side. It's been awhile...and the world needs a word. JS.
The U.S. government is as culpable as China for blanking swath of data about its wrong doings in war and politics. This stupid attack on China about Tinnamen Square etc, is ridiculous.
I’ve been using DeepSeek for over a week and it’s better than GPTo. Amazing reasoning output.
Stop being an ahole, people in Asia don't trust western narratives anymore. 😅
just stopping by the YT to say how much I appreciated the ChinaTalks guest -- hugely interesting perspective on all this
52:53 banger!
Three things are required to create and deploy world-class AI; data, chips, and algorithms. China has vast amounts of data. They added training data used to train US models. We limited China's access to advanced Nvidia chips. So, they focused on algorithms.
Can we take a moment to acknowledge the thumbnail?
Jordan is a great guest!
I think the reason why they made R1 open source and gave it away was to ensure that the tech was available to the world before they had to clamp down with Chinese oversight
Loved Hot Mess Express, especially the hats and backgrounds. I would also instruct my $200 a month agent to buy Hard Fork Mr Bot coffee. Especially the extra strength espresso ‘Sydney Divorce’ and the much more mellow ‘Sunday Roost.’ ☕️ 🤖
what an ahole move telling people to use operator for surveys 😡 you just made the work of market researchers harder by platforming this. hope your pillow always stays warm and your airpods can never properly connect to your devices 😡
Get rekt dork.
*chinese/russian autocratic tyranny versus edge devices:* odd no one is talking about the huge potential soft power win for the west. deekseek have essentially open sourced vvestern information soft power, given deepseek relies on a parameterized vvesterm cultural corpus to do the r1 model's heavy lifting by extracting implicit liberal individual western chain of thought reasoning norms which the illiberal chinese corpus is largely bereft of. I mean you can't fire wall western individual liberty behind great firewalls of paranoia now edge devices can carry all the knowledge of the internet, modernity and rationalizie in western AI thinking norms. What's the ccp going to do when uyghurs use firewall dodging vvestern AI based open sourced corpus on tiny edge deivces to get some article 19 human rights action? deekseek agrees: *me asking deepseek:* _"if open sourced with vvestern chain of thought AI knowledge norms get first mover advantage that would be a big threat to illiberal anti western autocrats right?"_ *me asking deepseek:* _"(Conclusion)Yes, edge-device AI is a major threat-not because it guarantees regime collapse, but because it erodes autocrats’ monopoly on power. The battleground is decentralized tech: every smartphone becomes a potential tool for resistance."_
Niiiice!!! Thanks again, my favourite Friday thing
The thumbnail is SO FUNNY omg
Deepseek sucks i had it take a college math test ot failed
I won't lie, i did fart laughing during the first hot mess express story.
are you saying guys that here in America, there is spying or surveillance? that is news to me. Are you saying US corporations don't have censorship?🤔 try publishing part of the truth about Gaza, Palestine, Israeli apartheid, refugee camps, ...etc guys. the invasion of iraq would've never happened if our corporations didn't play the game. You gilis are accountable to your shareholders. Remember... why are we banning tiktok? ur delusional if u think it is all about security
AI suggests actual diversity, NYT: "HEY THAT'S RACIST!"
however once the trump gov demands it, soon all operators will have to use sexist companies
well, blocking you from using godady is just good taste.
Is episode 120 not available on UA-cam?
Yea I assume it was audio only since it's an emergency bonus episode
...Am I the only one fascinated by the color changing patterns on the sidebars of the video version when you go full screen here on UA-cam? 😂 Off topic, I know.
Idk what you’re talking about? Actually full full screen? Or slightly expanded? If it’s the latter, I thiiiink what you’re seeing is a setting on the UA-cam player called “ambient mode” which attempts to appear like the light emanating from a tv and dancing on the surrounding walls. You can toggle it off in the player settings
To your point at 51:30 about using your own browser. Apple has a relationship with Open AI, its own password app, Apple Pay, and its own cloud for AI. It may be a small chasm for some.
Y’all are so good at podcasting.
Truly! The journalistic skill really shows through the questions and conversation during the interview - really interesting to listen to
That operator song lol My older sister was obsessed with Manhattan Transfer when I was a kid
This is the content I needed on a Friday afternoon!
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It is not just attention it is the erosion of thought
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My attention seems fine. I remember when Tip O'Neil sat on his hands as Reagan spread his toxic policies. It would help him win the house in 1984 when people hurt. He won the house and turned back none of the toxic reagan policies. 40 year attention span to see this unfold again. I find this piece ridiculous. Blaming attention and social media for Dems losing elections is why Dems lose elections. Elitist tripe.
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How to *modify tech / Meta to make it more masculine* 3:56
The last time a President acted so arrogantly and unilaterally, we ended up invading Iraq. It was a fever we came to regret.
Such a disappointment. If there was ever a time for Silicon Valley to example the better angels of our nature, this was it. Not to say they should be adversarial, but have some maturity about the responsibility of power. I hope they come around eventually and find their dignity.
Great interview! These types of interviews always catch my... Interst.