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Do the roads only belong to cars?

They have the ROW and are riding at and slightly over the speed limit.

Do they have less of a right to the road than a car? Does a car driver have the sole privilege to the road because they are in a car ?

How about the entitlement of drivers who ignore stop signs, traffic lights, speed limits, pedestrians in crosswalks, and more....

The cyclists almost got someone killed. The driver pepper sprayed someone aggressively approaching their car and yelling at them. I don't see any issue with the driver at all.

There is no comparison. That's a false equivalence. That was dangerous driving followed by assault.

There’s no need for violence and no excuse for nastiness. Love is also a two way street.

Yeah car drivers never ever speed, or break any rules at all! Asshole!

A car driver using pepper spray, against a cyclist for no reason, is the lowest of the low. You’re already in a two ton vehicle, don’t be so cowardly. You’re just sour bc the cyclists are beating the system, while you’re too arrogant to realise that you’re the one, who’s being screwed by the system. Why don’t you try cycling for a change? It’s cheaper, healthier and you can fit 100s of bikes on the road, for the same space as a couple of dozen cars. If everyone who used their cars unnecessarily, rode bikes for short journeys instead. There would be much more space, for the fewer cars, less hold ups in queues and then petrol prices would come down on top. As well as car prices, if fewer people bought overpowered cars. The government would be forced to lower taxes on car users and increase them on cyclists, if cycling became a significant competitor to car driving. I’m just a lowly cyclist, always have been for 35 years, never had a car. I’d love to have a car though and I do understand the point of them, especially in bad weather and for long distance journeys. But the problem is that once people pay the ridiculous amount of money, for the privilege of car ownership. They have to justify all the expense, by using their cars for every little thing and then they also rarely if ever ride trains and buses. So the government has got you exactly where it wants you, driving around in your steel cell that just burns the hole in your pocket. You’re paying to drive and driving to pay, catch 22. You think your car makes you free, but it’s just a mobile prison cell and there’s no escaping the prison of life that we’re all in, cyclists, car drivers, truckers whatever. Except through our Saviour Jesus Christ. By your own logic, every time a truck comes to a queue of cars, he should plough through and ram you all off. What if I decided to buy a monster truck or tank, to pay you back your just desserts? No we have to resolve our differences with civility and non violently, or where does that path take us? Anarchy. We could also criticise the town planners and road builders, for not making the roads wider and safer. Cyclists have be patient at times too, as we all do. This is just a fact of life and we have to get used to it, even when we’re running late. At least nowadays we have phones to communicate with our children and people who we’re late for. It’s bad in the winter I know, I’ve been left standing in the ice, rain, wind and snow. I’ve had to walk many miles beforehand as well and that didn’t kill me, it made me fitter and stronger and gave me time to think. The trouble is we’re all rushing around and don’t have time to think that’s what the government wants, you get it? And where does it get us? To the next set of stop lights or junctions quicker? To the next queue quicker? To our graves quicker? That’s the final destination where we’re all heading my friend. Our time and Life is to precious, we must cherish and nurture it.

Not sure I follow. There are points where we sprint and others when we're cruising along. Since we're on public roads and in a large group, the speed is not always going to be a "race pace".

A car driver using pepper spray, against a cyclist for no reason, is the lowest of the low. You’re already in a two ton vehicle, don’t be so cowardly. You’re just sour bc the cyclists are beating the system, while you’re too arrogant to realise that you’re the one, who’s being screwed by the system. Why don’t you try cycling for a change? It’s cheaper, healthier and you can fit 100s of bikes on the road, for the same space as a couple of dozen cars. If everyone who used their cars unnecessarily, rode bikes for short journeys instead. There would be much more space, for the fewer cars, less hold ups in queues and then petrol prices would come down on top. As well as car prices, if fewer people bought overpowered cars. The government would be forced to lower taxes on car users and increase them on cyclists, if cycling became a significant competitor to car driving. I’m just a lowly cyclist, always have been for 35 years, never had a car. I’d love to have a car though and I do understand the point of them, especially in bad weather and for long distance journeys. But the problem is that once people pay the ridiculous amount of money, for the privilege of car ownership. They have to justify all the expense, by using their cars for every little thing and then they also rarely if ever ride trains and buses. So the government has got you exactly where it wants you, driving around in your steel cell that just burns the hole in your pocket. You’re paying to drive and driving to pay, catch 22. You think your car makes you free, but it’s just a mobile prison cell and there’s no escaping the prison of life that we’re all in, cyclists, car drivers, truckers whatever. Except through our Saviour Jesus Christ. By your own logic, every time a truck comes to a queue of cars, he should plough through and ram you all off. What if I decided to buy a monster truck or tank, to pay you back your just desserts? No we have to resolve our differences with civility and non violently, or where does that path take us? Anarchy. We could also criticise the town planners and road builders, for not making the roads wider and safer. Cyclists have be patient at times too, as we all do. This is just a fact of life and we have to get used to it, even when we’re running late. At least nowadays we have phones to communicate with our children and people who we’re late for. It’s bad in the winter I know, I’ve been left standing in the ice, rain, wind and snow. I’ve had to walk many miles beforehand as well and that didn’t kill me, it made me fitter and stronger and gave me time to think. The trouble is we’re all rushing around and don’t have time to think that’s what the government wants, you get it? And where does it get us? To the next set of stop lights or junctions quicker? To the next queue quicker? To our graves quicker? That’s the final destination where we’re all heading my friend. Our time and Life is to precious, we must cherish and nurture it.

A car driver using pepper spray, against a cyclist for no reason, is the lowest of the low. You’re already in a two ton vehicle, don’t be so cowardly. You’re just sour bc the cyclists are beating the system, while you’re too arrogant to realise that you’re the one, who’s being screwed by the system. Why don’t you try cycling for a change? It’s cheaper, healthier and you can fit 100s of bikes on the road, for the same space as a couple of dozen cars. If everyone who used their cars unnecessarily, rode bikes for short journeys instead. There would be much more space, for the fewer cars, less hold ups in queues and then petrol prices would come down on top. As well as car prices, if fewer people bought overpowered cars. The government would be forced to lower taxes on car users and increase them on cyclists, if cycling became a significant competitor to car driving. I’m just a lowly cyclist, always have been for 35 years, never had a car. I’d love to have a car though and I do understand the point of them, especially in bad weather and for long distance journeys. But the problem is that once people pay the ridiculous amount of money, for the privilege of car ownership. They have to justify all the expense, by using their cars for every little thing and then they also rarely if ever ride trains and buses. So the government has got you exactly where it wants you, driving around in your steel cell that just burns the hole in your pocket. You’re paying to drive and driving to pay, catch 22. You think your car makes you free, but it’s just a mobile prison cell and there’s no escaping the prison of life that we’re all in, cyclists, car drivers, truckers whatever. Except through our Saviour Jesus Christ. By your own logic, every time a truck comes to a queue of cars, he should plough through and ram you all off. What if I decided to buy a monster truck or tank, to pay you back your just desserts? No we have to resolve our differences with civility and non violently, or where does that path take us? Anarchy. We could also criticise the town planners and road builders, for not making the roads wider and safer. Cyclists have be patient at times too, as we all do. This is just a fact of life and we have to get used to it, even when we’re running late. At least nowadays we have phones to communicate with our children and people who we’re late for. It’s bad in the winter I know, I’ve been left standing in the ice, rain, wind and snow. I’ve had to walk many miles beforehand as well and that didn’t kill me, it made me fitter and stronger and gave me time to think. The trouble is we’re all rushing around and don’t have time to think that’s what the government wants, you get it? And where does it get us? To the next set of stop lights or junctions quicker? To the next queue quicker? To our graves quicker? That’s the final destination where we’re all heading my friend. Our time and Life is to precious, we must cherish and nurture it.

Roads in the US are paid by folks who have residency here. There are local taxes that you pay (through your home) which go to the municipality.

Oh man, that's right there's a train crossing there which I forget since it has not been a factor for me yet. That would be a bummer if you're going for a personal best. I do find it a bit easier to try and start a bit faster than I normally would and then once the group drops me (on the climb), to latch on to as many folks that continue to pass me as possible.

Lot's of ups and downs, but only one "serious" (I use that term loosely) climb at the half way point for about 800 feet. If you want more of that then I would look at the Horribly Hilly which is also in WI. Has about 10k of climbing over 100 miles or so.

To be honest, if it wasn't for a team inviting me the first time I likely would not have done it as it can seem intimidating. Now that I've done it three times, it's become one of my favorites. It challenges you but not to the level of a l'etape du tour or Levi's Gran Fondo which have you doing thousands of feet of climbing over the same distance.

that doesnt give the car owner the right to endanger and pepperspray one of them. your apolegetic for a afr worse gehavoiur then the cyclists

Yeah, they were. It may be legal where they are. If the lane is narrow then we cyclist can use the whole thing. By controlling the lane, we can prevent a lot of close passes and dangerous passes. I do it all the time. In fact the only time I ride in secondary is 1: If the lane is wider than 14 ft. and 2: When being overtaken and the oncoming lane is clear.

​@@akiraakiraakiraakiradoesn't give the right to bike riders to hog the lane, stupidity

A car driver using pepper spray, against a cyclist for no reason, is the lowest of the low. You’re already in a two ton vehicle, don’t be so cowardly. You’re just sour bc the cyclists are beating the system, while you’re too arrogant to realise that you’re the one, who’s being screwed by the system. Why don’t you try cycling for a change? It’s cheaper, healthier and you can fit 100s of bikes on the road, for the same space as a couple of dozen cars. If everyone who used their cars unnecessarily, rode bikes for short journeys instead. There would be much more space, for the fewer cars, less hold ups in queues and then petrol prices would come down on top. As well as car prices, if fewer people bought overpowered cars. The government would be forced to lower taxes on car users and increase them on cyclists, if cycling became a significant competitor to car driving. I’m just a lowly cyclist, always have been for 35 years, never had a car. I’d love to have a car though and I do understand the point of them, especially in bad weather and for long distance journeys. But the problem is that once people pay the ridiculous amount of money, for the privilege of car ownership. They have to justify all the expense, by using their cars for every little thing and then they also rarely if ever ride trains and buses. So the government has got you exactly where it wants you, driving around in your steel cell that just burns the hole in your pocket. You’re paying to drive and driving to pay, catch 22. You think your car makes you free, but it’s just a mobile prison cell and there’s no escaping the prison of life that we’re all in, cyclists, car drivers, truckers whatever. Except through our Saviour Jesus Christ. By your own logic, every time a truck comes to a queue of cars, he should plough through and ram you all off. What if I decided to buy a monster truck or tank, to pay you back your just desserts? No we have to resolve our differences with civility and non violently, or where does that path take us? Anarchy. We could also criticise the town planners and road builders, for not making the roads wider and safer. Cyclists have be patient at times too, as we all do. This is just a fact of life and we have to get used to it, even when we’re running late. At least nowadays we have phones to communicate with our children and people who we’re late for. It’s bad in the winter I know, I’ve been left standing in the ice, rain, wind and snow. I’ve had to walk many miles beforehand as well and that didn’t kill me, it made me fitter and stronger and gave me time to think. The trouble is we’re all rushing around and don’t have time to think that’s what the government wants, you get it? And where does it get us? To the next set of stop lights or junctions quicker? To the next queue quicker? To our graves quicker? That’s the final destination where we’re all heading my friend. Our time and Life is to precious, we must cherish and nurture it.

Bikes are considered a VEHICLE, holding to all the laws of the road and can use ANY part of the road they wish, so long as they don't purposely hold up traffic. These guys were single file, moving only to avoid hazards or a slower rider, which is perfectly legal for them to do. Yes, ONE rider crossed the double yellow, which he should not have done, but the rest were following the law.

A car driver using pepper spray, against a cyclist for no reason, is the lowest of the low. You’re already in a two ton vehicle, don’t be so cowardly. You’re just sour bc the cyclists are beating the system, while you’re too arrogant to realise that you’re the one, who’s being screwed by the system. Why don’t you try cycling for a change? It’s cheaper, healthier and you can fit 100s of bikes on the road, for the same space as a couple of dozen cars. If everyone who used their cars unnecessarily, rode bikes for short journeys instead. There would be much more space, for the fewer cars, less hold ups in queues and then petrol prices would come down on top. As well as car prices, if fewer people bought overpowered cars. The government would be forced to lower taxes on car users and increase them on cyclists, if cycling became a significant competitor to car driving. I’m just a lowly cyclist, always have been for 35 years, never had a car. I’d love to have a car though and I do understand the point of them, especially in bad weather and for long distance journeys. But the problem is that once people pay the ridiculous amount of money, for the privilege of car ownership. They have to justify all the expense, by using their cars for every little thing and then they also rarely if ever ride trains and buses. So the government has got you exactly where it wants you, driving around in your steel cell that just burns the hole in your pocket. You’re paying to drive and driving to pay, catch 22. You think your car makes you free, but it’s just a mobile prison cell and there’s no escaping the prison of life that we’re all in, cyclists, car drivers, truckers whatever. Except through our Saviour Jesus Christ. By your own logic, every time a truck comes to a queue of cars, he should plough through and ram you all off. What if I decided to buy a monster truck or tank, to pay you back your just desserts? No we have to resolve our differences with civility and non violently, or where does that path take us? Anarchy. We could also criticise the town planners and road builders, for not making the roads wider and safer. Cyclists have be patient at times too, as we all do. This is just a fact of life and we have to get used to it, even when we’re running late. At least nowadays we have phones to communicate with our children and people who we’re late for. It’s bad in the winter I know, I’ve been left standing in the ice, rain, wind and snow. I’ve had to walk many miles beforehand as well and that didn’t kill me, it made me fitter and stronger and gave me time to think. The trouble is we’re all rushing around and don’t have time to think that’s what the government wants, you get it? And where does it get us? To the next set of stop lights or junctions quicker? To the next queue quicker? To our graves quicker? That’s the final destination where we’re all heading my friend. Our time and Life is to precious, we must cherish and nurture it.

There’s no need for violence and no excuse for nastiness.

Good luck enforcing licenses and insurance for cyclists. BTW, some cyclists are USA Cycling RACE+ members and have insurance as part of their membership. It's optional not mandatory like vehicle insurance.

Typical motorist who thinks use of the public road is their right, and that speed limits are just suggestions, and that endangerment of lives for any reason is justified.

You don't know what you're talking about. This stretch of road has signs that say vehicles must yield to cyclists. Not only that, it's a residential street with blind corners that no one should be driving fast on. BTW, there is a different section of road in this area where cyclists are not allowed to ride, which is why this particular road gives them priority. It's one of the busiest cycling routes north of Chicago.

A car driver using pepper spray, against a cyclist for no reason, is the lowest of the low. You’re already in a two ton vehicle, don’t be so cowardly. You’re just sour bc the cyclists are beating the system, while you’re too arrogant to realise that you’re the one, who’s being screwed by the system. Why don’t you try cycling for a change? It’s cheaper, healthier and you can fit 100s of bikes on the road, for the same space as a couple of dozen cars. If everyone who used their cars unnecessarily, rode bikes for short journeys instead. There would be much more space, for the fewer cars, less hold ups in queues and then petrol prices would come down on top. As well as car prices, if fewer people bought overpowered cars. The government would be forced to lower taxes on car users and increase them on cyclists, if cycling became a significant competitor to car driving. I’m just a lowly cyclist, always have been for 35 years, never had a car. I’d love to have a car though and I do understand the point of them, especially in bad weather and for long distance journeys. But the problem is that once people pay the ridiculous amount of money, for the privilege of car ownership. They have to justify all the expense, by using their cars for every little thing and then they also rarely if ever ride trains and buses. So the government has got you exactly where it wants you, driving around in your steel cell that just burns the hole in your pocket. You’re paying to drive and driving to pay, catch 22. You think your car makes you free, but it’s just a mobile prison cell and there’s no escaping the prison of life that we’re all in, cyclists, car drivers, truckers whatever. Except through our Saviour Jesus Christ. By your own logic, every time a truck comes to a queue of cars, he should plough through and ram you all off. What if I decided to buy a monster truck or tank, to pay you back your just desserts? No we have to resolve our differences with civility and non violently, or where does that path take us? Anarchy. We could also criticise the town planners and road builders, for not making the roads wider and safer. Cyclists have be patient at times too, as we all do. This is just a fact of life and we have to get used to it, even when we’re running late. At least nowadays we have phones to communicate with our children and people who we’re late for. It’s bad in the winter I know, I’ve been left standing in the ice, rain, wind and snow. I’ve had to walk many miles beforehand as well and that didn’t kill me, it made me fitter and stronger and gave me time to think. The trouble is we’re all rushing around and don’t have time to think that’s what the government wants, you get it? And where does it get us? To the next set of stop lights or junctions quicker? To the next queue quicker? To our graves quicker? That’s the final destination where we’re all heading my friend. Our time and Life is to precious, we must cherish and nurture it.

yes they don't own the road well said