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I've spent a solid three hours playing but I've SEEN EVERYTHING I NEED TO.

Things that did not age well, yes. He changed his name to "MasterCat" pretty quick lmfao.

​@Morklympious It's a legendary, cute, and funny name

@@winterprison833 NEVERMIND I MEANT ITS BASED AND BASED AND BASED

Yeah the argument there is like “why did you end up with no stamina and why are you walking away from a rightful punishment of mismanaging your stamina” BUT. I get that lol. No shade here because I’ve done that a lot.

@Morklympious yeah lol, ive been getting better about management but it still happens from time to time. i dont like to back away but i do it when i need it.

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ironic that u get a reply a month later, but it seems more ppl are starting to play but as far as it goes with communities, I don’t know. Good luck tho!

Guard Breaks have a "flat" amount of Advantage, usually about 32/31 Frames. So the common "optimal" punish is something like 12f -> 20f -> 12f.

You want a list or do you want me to give you my therapist's phone number 😂

@@Morklympious idk man😂

Sorry, how many tournaments have you been in? How many have you won? Plus is a competitive balance mod and doesn't even solve the backwalking issue I'm talking about here.

@@Morklympious beaten most high ranked “plus” nerds with a vanilla deck. Balance is another word for change, and competitive tournaments determine who the saltiest player is, basically who learned to play the game differently than how it’s made the best. Backwalking is one of the only things not removed by plus. If you don’t like that someone does it, cry lose and have daddy change the mod more for you so you can cope with losing a little better. OR learn how the games made get gooood.

@@cheezit999813 Just from how stupid your string of comments are and the clear ignorance you bring to the table, I can almost guarantee you play on playstation.

But I love the game tho

Took me into the city

⁠@@annoyingupcaketo see a MARCHING BAND

Shit like this just keeps me going. Thanks brother!

I can't believe Alex Shakura just entered the chat on this lmfao.

So if you understand stalling and non interactive is a problem in this game, but you don’t like the idea of discouraging back walking (which creates the problem). What would be your suggestion to tackle this? Genuinely curious

@@gemek3439 im just saying.. whatre you guys going to bitch about next. thats all :) edit: genuinely curious

being mad about "walking" is being mad about what makes the game unengaging. The only people that really play are tournament players and players that enjoy the fighting aspect of the game. EQ and shadow avoid are appropriately balanced in Absolver+, with EQ costing 3 shards and Shadow avoid costing 4 or 5. I'm not trying to "convince" people to stop backwalking, but I'm trying to illustrate what makes the game less engaging. Backwalking is part of that equation. It's not the end all be all solution, but it makes fights more engaging, it forces people to reckon with dumping their entire stamina bar on offense instead of walking away unpunished. "Just fucking fight" is literally what 1v1 PvP is essentially about? Stalling *is* a problem in absolver, and walking backwards is just a contributor to this. Do you have a better solution? do you have a more articulate argument? Or should we just allow people to stall matches? Is a game like Street Fighter more engaging when both players are just launching fullscreen fireballs at eachother? I'd say it's not. I'd say it's just... not fun to play or watch at that point. All the same, I apppreciate the thought behind your comment, but the game is old enough such that we don't really have more enforceable solutions other than two players agreeing to play the game.

The Competitive "gitgud" playerbase still exists! And it's a fun game if you enjoy the journey of just getting better.

In their defense, they didn’t set out to make a fighting game. They DID say they wanted to make a game “about fighting and making friends” So in a lot of ways they did that! But the people that are gripped by this game are often drawn in to fighting games, so the disconnect here makes sense, imo.

The scope of the problem goes deeper than what we are capable of altering, or what would be sane to change and still have the game play relatively similar to how it does now. We can't add new scripts. We can modify movement values but not forward and backward independently. Buffing range does not address the issue, it makes keepout even stronger than it already currently is. There's no number we can tweak/buff/nerf that isn't an indirect powerup to the very thing we're trying to take away from, and that's just the nature of the game and it's limitations. Literally best we got is a house rule. Sucks to say that, but that's how it is.

@@jvnedot I see, that's really a shame then, Thanks for taking the time to elaborate on that, as someone who's seen another form of it on FH (back-lights), I've seen different things being attempted- I agree for attack range, furthermore it can bring a whole other can of worms but that's another topic Really a shame you cant tweak different walk values, I'm 90% sure that would've sloved the issue (at least partially), but oh well, wishful thinking, Im still happy to see tournaments being played here, I wanted to try the game out someday but dont have the faith to pour another 4k hours into a brand new fighting game lmao Thanks for the answer and time you took out of your day for it !

⁠@@hir_zs hey just wanted to let you know, trying out absolver is something you should still consider. I promise it won’t take 4K hours to get decent (you can get very good at this game in about 250 hours tbh if you know the right people) , and you’ll find a nice community to hang with as well lol. Just give it a shot, the game goes on sale quite often and if you need an inv to the server just let me know :)

@@gemek3439 Well, I will certainly consider it then... I wouldnt mind getting the invite, no harm in trying ^^

Okay technically, they TRIED. Walking at ALL in combat used to be SO MUCH faster. They didn't fix it in a way that worked, but at least they gave it SOME try.

"Ran away the entire fight" Ah yes, that sounds like the exact problem I'm describing.

@@Morklympious naw back stepping once doesn't equate to that. Getting baited is half the game. Back stepping to regain some control vs running away the entire match the same to you?

@@TheYetixOUTx it might as well be, yes spacing is a part of every fighting game, but there's always a consequence if you attempt to "space" and play safe and you're wrong, whether that means you gave up ground and now you're closer to the corner, you're down on life and the timer is running out, whatever Absolver simply does not have these very basic rules or consequences. "Spacing" cannot exist if the optimal thing to do is always let the other player swing first, if you need "spacing" to counterplay things that can be dealt with with good reads and reactions otherwise, I don't see why someone shouldn't do it back to you, including the extreme end of the spectrum which sounds like what happened to you. So yes, it kind of is an all-or-nothing issue, unfortunately. I don't know how you can acknowledge that "overly backwalking" is shitty without following the argument to it's natural conclusion.

​@@jvnedot its pretty simple , when you backspace you have a chance of whiffing your attack afterward aswell. You need a thrust with some distance to capitalize. Which is easily blocked or to use your ability dodge. Saying its all or nothing is stupid its just how you look at things. I bet if someone got a backstep on you youd just run away too lol. "Wah you broke my combo." I don't know how you cant acknowledge playing with spacing is very different from two people backing away from each other and calling it a fight.. Its just brining the argument to the extreme of what doesnt happen besides with trolls to try and prove your point. Rather see more talk about how the unlock attack to backspace is fair or unfair but it sounds like you would say it isnt,

@@TheYetixOUTx How can you speak with such confidence about something you know nothing about? How can you handwave the entire discussion away with all of the points being made with "that never happens"? Brother it's happening every time someone pulls the left stick backwards. It creates a disadvantage for the person who isn't "spacing" that literally has no mitigation against or risk associated for the person doing it.

How can you make the equivalence of LBF being as bad as back unlocks when LBF only disadvantages avoid classes? Running attack is absolutely worthless for starting neutral. You can't force interaction in this game. You can indefinitely sprint away from a running attack and you'll outrun it. Are you telling me that high level Absolver should look like an episode of Tom & Jerry? C'mon man.

@jvnedot I said you could argue LBF is as bad because it's such a low risk move, but I think it still has interactivity. Back unlocks I think are a bit worse, because some go so far so fast that to chase you would need to mash something like Leg Breaker on a read just to catch up, which is obviously risky with such a slow mash and that might not even punish the unlock feint. I definitely think unlocks could be regulated more than backwalking, so that's a talking point for sure. I personally never found them that obnoxious, but they are good when used well. As for running, I'm obviously not advocating to run away the whole match. That's just silly. But if someone tries to, you will eventually catch them because each map has boundaries and since you're chasing, you'll know the path they're going to take and you can cut them off. But for me, personally, I never had a problem with backwalking or retreating to get stamina. That's just how the game works. When my opponent has tried to do that, I run at them to force interaction, or I walk at them if I think they're ready to poke my approach. If my opponent really wants to run the entire match, yes, that will obviously be obnoxious to deal with, but even then, I'd still just run them down to force the fight to start.

@@FuriousPillow I don't think you've ever fought anyone who's put the problem into perspective for you if that's how you feel, no offence.

@@FuriousPillow To add to that, I would be happy to demonstrate the argument to you in game. No shade or anything, I just think it would be easier than arguing.

​@@jvnedotwe've all dealt with people that run away all game, but I think lbf is more annoying to the majority of players