The piece that few people talk about is how much Maggie is like Karen. Both are risk takers who are attracted to fighters / tough men, and both are blunt and impulsive. By dating Karen, Matt was unwittingly recreating a (much healthier version of) his parents' relationship.
I’m a man and going through what she’s going through but don’t have a kid yet. I don’t want to make a choice and end up leaving a child because I should’ve gone to religious life.
People like to excuse her, but I won’t. She had time to heal, time to get her act together, time to take the responsibility God gave her when Matt was born. He needed a mother not a Nun. All that vainglorious prayer amounts to absolutely nothing. She prays to God but she is an utter stranger to him and his love. Otherwise Maggie would have known that’s not what God wanted. That entire Catholic community is also very much guilty for aiding her in abandoning her responsibility.
The age gap is intentional. The nun Maggie, a pious naïve young Woman, became seduced by a bringer of violence. A boxer, Jack a matured and well weathered Man whose life subsist of brutish bloodsport. He asked for help and she, in her good nature, helped him. Its a relationship you're not supposed to feel comfortable with. Maggie wasn't, she felt like she abandoned god and committed horrible sin. An angel, seduced by the Devil and raising his son. This family would have never worked and that's part of what makes up the tragedy of the life of Matt Murdock.
Love it. That’s why I love this show. Matt Murdock is literally the child of an Angel and The Devil. And it was the Angel who left while the Devil stayed to raise him. And he raised him in the (mostly) right path.
Was really sweet of Jack to help Maggie and father Lantom and her sisters even came to help still she could have asked how Matt was even when he lived in the Catholic Orphanage she didn't tell him who he was I still remember in The Defenders when one sister said get sister Maggie I'm like oh Matt get's to see his mother again. Like how in ep 9 nice she admitted to abandoning Matt at least she didn't try to kill Matt like in the OG story just gave her the depression and anxiety of being a mother and not waiting until marriage to have sex and a baby. Glad Matt forgave her and they are trying to patched things up she took him being a vigilante Blind Superhero rather well too I may add I mean she didn't freak out at all just gave him a lectures.
She was in the end - coward, if you look at this. Of course it wasn't her fault for having Post-partum depression, but when Jack was murdered (and she was already healed) - she should have stepped up and helped Matthew. But she did not.
The writers screwed up this story so much. Maggie wasn't a nun. She was a regular young woman married to Jack and both of them were Catholic though not devout. This is why I hated the series' depiction of Maggie. In the comics, Maggie suffered from post-partum psychosis (the worst kind) and was going to harm Matt when in a moment of clarity realized what she was doing and fled before she could harm her own baby. Maggie lived in the streets and didn't want to go back. She was found by the Church, taken in, cared for, and sent to a therapist until she was well enough to go back home. People don't understand the stigma that women with post-partum depression and psychosis went through in those days. Maggie's guilt prevented her from going home to Matt. Her fear of harming her son was just too much and so she joined the Church, hoping that she would seek penance for her failings in other ways. She became an activist--diverting all her efforts to help women and others in her situation and etc. In the end, Matt and Maggie did reconcile in the most beautiful way. When Maggie asked for forgiveness for failing her son, Matt said: "Oh. Failing. Right. You mean by pulling yourself up out of a suicidal depression by faith and sheer force of will to become a force of good on this planet? We should all fail so tragically." This was such a brilliant story in the comics that I don't know why this was bungled so badly by the writers of this show. The title is "Original Sin" and from the Mark Waid run of DD (2014) if anyone is interested. This issue was praised by Psychology Today for its depiction and handling of postpartum depression and psychosis.
Except that wasn't in Frank Miller's run of DD Born Again which was where we learn about Maggie being Matthew's mother. Waid's run was just an addition onto something that the show wasn't adapting.
@@anon9060 The show has taken inspiration from all the runs of DD, not just Miller's run. In Miller's run, Matt had an inkling that Maggie was his mom but the full story was never revealed until 30 years later in Mark Waid's run.
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Poor woman! Post-partum depression is absolute hell, and even today, help is hard to get. How much harder was it back then? I feel for her, for Jack and for little Matt.
This symbolises how Matt and Fisk are different. Fisk's mom supported him because they both knew what they did, they knew that they killed a person and had no pain in it. While Matt's mother left him which troubled her for her whole life, she could never bring herself to see or talk to her son again because she felt pain.
I wouldn't say the men characters, per say, are different because of the women characters, but the moms are different and the trauma/importance of both influential people in their lives helped them grow to be the same, better men.
I used to think Amy misread the room by talking about this….. But after more viewings and reading some of these comments I think she’s right. She said something Frank needed to hear.
I think Frank is on a one-man warpath strictly because he feels it's all he's worth and he's punishing himself for his families death. Knowing it's a character, I hope Frank is able to find peace within himself.
"You think they know? Some of their parents kill people?" I don't remember why she said this line or the context in the show but it's a powerful line. Frank has lost everything or at least he thinks so. So unlike he doesn't think like Batman. "Scum maybe. But even scum have families." - Batman Year One
I think Jack was a decent father to Matt, but winning that fight was fucking selfish. He would rather look like a hero to his son then actually be a father to him
I think if I remember correctly he did it because he was gonna get alot of money and had it go to Matt so he kinda did it so his son could have a better future because he wouldn't be able to provide much for Matt later on when he gets older
@@TherealeduardoN cool so he abandoned his son thinking the mother who literally already abandoned him first would take care of him? That makes it better
Frank would of happily given some teenage boy the "shotgun cleaning dad" daughter mood, then being on a park bench thinking about what a woman his daughter would of become. This scene aches my heart.
flicked past this for at least 5 months not even curious, eventually threw on on Ep1 & give it a go, Have watched the entire series 3 times now and am as moved by it & Frank Castle the man as much now as the 1st time i sawThe Punisher’ in action, For a combination of reasons watching this series was/is/always will be honestly one of the most unforgettable EPIC viewing experiences of my life !!! RESPECT TO MARVEL
2:37 Two child's?
The piece that few people talk about is how much Maggie is like Karen. Both are risk takers who are attracted to fighters / tough men, and both are blunt and impulsive. By dating Karen, Matt was unwittingly recreating a (much healthier version of) his parents' relationship.
I’m a man and going through what she’s going through but don’t have a kid yet. I don’t want to make a choice and end up leaving a child because I should’ve gone to religious life.
Depression was the most difficult to cure it I hate how Jack ignores her
He probably didn't notice it and had no idea what post-partum depression was.
Matt was born in the 1980s and PPD was not known at that time.
She is really pretty, what is her name in real.
People like to excuse her, but I won’t. She had time to heal, time to get her act together, time to take the responsibility God gave her when Matt was born. He needed a mother not a Nun. All that vainglorious prayer amounts to absolutely nothing. She prays to God but she is an utter stranger to him and his love. Otherwise Maggie would have known that’s not what God wanted. That entire Catholic community is also very much guilty for aiding her in abandoning her responsibility.
Damn Maggie was a snack back in the day
At the very least jack took responsibility for Matt and raised him the best he could
The age gap is intentional. The nun Maggie, a pious naïve young Woman, became seduced by a bringer of violence. A boxer, Jack a matured and well weathered Man whose life subsist of brutish bloodsport. He asked for help and she, in her good nature, helped him. Its a relationship you're not supposed to feel comfortable with. Maggie wasn't, she felt like she abandoned god and committed horrible sin. An angel, seduced by the Devil and raising his son. This family would have never worked and that's part of what makes up the tragedy of the life of Matt Murdock.
You get it.
Best explanation ever! 👏 👏 👏 👏
Love it. That’s why I love this show. Matt Murdock is literally the child of an Angel and The Devil. And it was the Angel who left while the Devil stayed to raise him. And he raised him in the (mostly) right path.
That's how religion ruins everything
Was really sweet of Jack to help Maggie and father Lantom and her sisters even came to help still she could have asked how Matt was even when he lived in the Catholic Orphanage she didn't tell him who he was I still remember in The Defenders when one sister said get sister Maggie I'm like oh Matt get's to see his mother again. Like how in ep 9 nice she admitted to abandoning Matt at least she didn't try to kill Matt like in the OG story just gave her the depression and anxiety of being a mother and not waiting until marriage to have sex and a baby. Glad Matt forgave her and they are trying to patched things up she took him being a vigilante Blind Superhero rather well too I may add I mean she didn't freak out at all just gave him a lectures.
What is this pedaphilia? Young Maggie looks like she's 15 and Jack looks 40...
Matt get’s his stoicism from his mom. She kept Jack in the dark about her postpartum like how he kept Foggy and Karen about Daredevil.
And he gets his toughness, stubbornness and endurance from his dad. Perfect combination of his parents
Is it just me or did they get a really really young looking actress to play Maggie
The age gap is intentional.
1:23 Looks exactly like Matt
She was in the end - coward, if you look at this. Of course it wasn't her fault for having Post-partum depression, but when Jack was murdered (and she was already healed) - she should have stepped up and helped Matthew. But she did not.
The writers screwed up this story so much. Maggie wasn't a nun. She was a regular young woman married to Jack and both of them were Catholic though not devout. This is why I hated the series' depiction of Maggie. In the comics, Maggie suffered from post-partum psychosis (the worst kind) and was going to harm Matt when in a moment of clarity realized what she was doing and fled before she could harm her own baby. Maggie lived in the streets and didn't want to go back. She was found by the Church, taken in, cared for, and sent to a therapist until she was well enough to go back home. People don't understand the stigma that women with post-partum depression and psychosis went through in those days. Maggie's guilt prevented her from going home to Matt. Her fear of harming her son was just too much and so she joined the Church, hoping that she would seek penance for her failings in other ways. She became an activist--diverting all her efforts to help women and others in her situation and etc. In the end, Matt and Maggie did reconcile in the most beautiful way. When Maggie asked for forgiveness for failing her son, Matt said: "Oh. Failing. Right. You mean by pulling yourself up out of a suicidal depression by faith and sheer force of will to become a force of good on this planet? We should all fail so tragically." This was such a brilliant story in the comics that I don't know why this was bungled so badly by the writers of this show. The title is "Original Sin" and from the Mark Waid run of DD (2014) if anyone is interested. This issue was praised by Psychology Today for its depiction and handling of postpartum depression and psychosis.
Except that wasn't in Frank Miller's run of DD Born Again which was where we learn about Maggie being Matthew's mother. Waid's run was just an addition onto something that the show wasn't adapting.
@@anon9060 The show has taken inspiration from all the runs of DD, not just Miller's run. In Miller's run, Matt had an inkling that Maggie was his mom but the full story was never revealed until 30 years later in Mark Waid's run.
@@rumblefish9 it's fairly obvious that she was his mother though.
Maggie explains to Karen later in the episode "that she was a danger to Matthew"
It usually happens the opposite in real life. The girl gets pregnant and the guy leaves lmao
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March?
Matt never asked to be born and was abandoned. Fisk was a killer and his mother covered up for him.
Poor woman! Post-partum depression is absolute hell, and even today, help is hard to get. How much harder was it back then? I feel for her, for Jack and for little Matt.
Did she have a post-partum depression right?
In the comics she had postpartum psychosis and tried to harm Matt.
I would watch all of the season again despite the long boring bits just to rewatch the Frank and Amy relationship
Award needed
She looks like a kid
How old is she supposed to be ?
@@yaneisyrodriguez2266 hopefully older then 17 since jack looks like he’s in his 20s
What ep. is it?
S3 E6
S03E09
they can be joel and ellie from tlou
if you wanna destroy a mans life don't kill em kill his family 😔
John Bernthal is the perfect Punisher. For this. And everything else
This symbolises how Matt and Fisk are different. Fisk's mom supported him because they both knew what they did, they knew that they killed a person and had no pain in it. While Matt's mother left him which troubled her for her whole life, she could never bring herself to see or talk to her son again because she felt pain.
I wouldn't say the men characters, per say, are different because of the women characters, but the moms are different and the trauma/importance of both influential people in their lives helped them grow to be the same, better men.
Frank: *literally bleeding out* Curtis: sh*t frank ur dying Frank: on the inside? Every damn day
She only screwed in the scene before when she cassualy says "kids are a weakness" and realized she fucked it up so she Is great here.
I used to think Amy misread the room by talking about this….. But after more viewings and reading some of these comments I think she’s right. She said something Frank needed to hear.
Maggie looks 16 and Jack Murdock looks like 32. This episode made their relationship feel really weird to me.
Me tooo! It felt so cringy
She was probably 18 at the youngest. I’m not sure if the church allows anyone under 18 to become a nun anymore.
I was thinking the same thing💀
More like 42 lol
@Labiche must explain why I look like a serious dad, despite being 21 years old 😆
the Murdocks are honestly cursed bruh...
They got the devil in them
She is mother ' Matt Murdock ?
bro why did sister maggie look so young compared to jack
I think Frank is on a one-man warpath strictly because he feels it's all he's worth and he's punishing himself for his families death. Knowing it's a character, I hope Frank is able to find peace within himself.
Jon is a wonderful actor.
"You think they know? Some of their parents kill people?" I don't remember why she said this line or the context in the show but it's a powerful line. Frank has lost everything or at least he thinks so. So unlike he doesn't think like Batman. "Scum maybe. But even scum have families." - Batman Year One
For some reason, Jack was a better father. He told Matt to make good decisions and didn’t stare at a wall all day
Maggie was weird
@@jokybones Dude she had post partum depression
@@jackstoutamore8541 some only ppl see black and white
bruh she was depressed
Most pregnant women go through PPD. Most dont abandon their kid@@jackstoutamore8541
And yes, Jack was 28-29 during the time
I love this song, what is it ! I dont find him
God I love this show
I think Jack was a decent father to Matt, but winning that fight was fucking selfish. He would rather look like a hero to his son then actually be a father to him
I think if I remember correctly he did it because he was gonna get alot of money and had it go to Matt so he kinda did it so his son could have a better future because he wouldn't be able to provide much for Matt later on when he gets older
@@jordanquill8079 The most noble thing he could've done. RIP Jack Murdock
@@ScopeSource Agreed RIP Jack Murdock
He did that thinking that Maggie would look after Matt
@@TherealeduardoN cool so he abandoned his son thinking the mother who literally already abandoned him first would take care of him? That makes it better
Frank would of happily given some teenage boy the "shotgun cleaning dad" daughter mood, then being on a park bench thinking about what a woman his daughter would of become. This scene aches my heart.
flicked past this for at least 5 months not even curious, eventually threw on on Ep1 & give it a go, Have watched the entire series 3 times now and am as moved by it & Frank Castle the man as much now as the 1st time i sawThe Punisher’ in action, For a combination of reasons watching this series was/is/always will be honestly one of the most unforgettable EPIC viewing experiences of my life !!! RESPECT TO MARVEL
Marvel didn't make this
matts dad looks too old to be with her they shoulda had a younger actor
Jack looks mid 30s and Maggie looks early 20s (in my opinion)
Never read the comics but when I watched the Daredevil movie, I always wondered what happened to Matt's mother. I'm glad they explained it in the show
It is connected to the movie this show
@@baileyallen9568 stop the cap