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@@Joshgats20 That's true. I try not to get too worried about it, but i do think it is sometimes possible to gain insight into the overall health of the tree by closely observing needle loss patterns. But in general, it's normal.

@@raphlvlogs271 Good point! I need to visit this grove of cedars again because i bet they are over 100 years old and they are very inpressive.

@@rizocars6115 Yep, totally normal. And I just realized i forgot to show my japanese white pine... Same with that tree as well.

Yes, nothing to worry about. If sudden discoloration happens in late spring, I would and even than if the browning would be visible in the highest area and outer branches.

@@subtropicalohioplants267 Agreed. Savennah holly has been a good grower in general. Definitely faster than Foster holly even though they are both hybrids of the same two species.

@@subtropicalohioplants267 Interesting. Are you guys having a drought like other parts of Ohio? We are finally getting more rain down here.

@@moseseisley557 Northeast Ohio was spared the worst of the drought. For much of the summer, we were in moderate drought. Some eastern white pines only have one season of needles going into the winter, but they should be fine provided this doesn't become a multi-year event.

@@margroningen I prefer to let the needles lay under the tree. What do you do with yours?

@@moseseisley557 Thanks for responding :) That's normally the case indeed. However, I sometimes use needles to mix with leaves and place it around recently planted young pine trees (before the winter). We also have alot of clay in the ground, that consists of calcium. The needles keep things in balance and helps to bring out the minerals, that will benefit the tree. ~Marjet

@@jordanhackworth7954 You can buy them on naturehills.com ...That's where i bought mine.

@@The_Mothzz The weather is a little too cold for that species here in middle Tennessee. I tried araucaria angustifolia before but the cold killed it.

@@The_Mothzz Usually, yes... If given enough time.

@@nikki6801691 Woah, they must be huge! Did you hear anything about how they got there when you bought the house?

@@ReyderRisco Thanks! It's going into the armillaria zone, so we'll see.

@@FrankThomas-i7y Actually, we have been in a drought here. I had to put some supplemental water on my trees, but the problem with this one is the armillaria root rot... which has a larger impact when the tree is drought stressed. I have a bit od a special case witj armillaria... Check out some of my other videos on the subject.

@@tarayoder4539 Probably about 6-feet.

@@mattanderson3452 It was the "Survivor" hybrid camellia. I might try one again one day if i have space for one.

@@nativeandunusualplants3582 They are really cool plants! I wish I could grow them in the ground, but that is definitely a risky proposition in mid TN.

@@gharrison2595 They are not really late, it's more like the weather can really warm up for long periods in late winter and trigger early bud break on some species that are near the northern limit of their range.

@@mattanderson3452 True. nurcar.com had a variegated cleyera japonica that i planted once. Unfortunately that was right before the December 2022 deep freeze, so mine died.

@@nathanschley2088 I lost my podocarpus during a deep freeze. Where are you growing yours? I see them all the time at Lowes and Home Depot, but i know they are not cold hardy in Zone 7a.

@@moseseisley557 Same metro area as you. I planted mine in 2023 so it survived last winter's pretty good freeze, but it wasn't around for the flash freeze the winter before that.

@@nathanschley2088 Hey, that's good news if it survived the positive 4°F temps we had january of 2024! Maybe I should try another one.

@@nathanschley2088 Great! Let us know how it goes!

@@nativeandunusualplants3582 Yes, i have read that when growing outside their native range the growth structure is tall and narrow.

@@codypeck9125 I would say it's seven feet tall, but there is trouble on the horizon: armillaria mushrooms were sprouting near it this fall. Time will tell how much of a problem that is.

@@codypeck9125 No, they both seem to grow fast. In my yard the limiting factor will be the hard clay layer about 3 feet underground, but that also catches water, so we'll see how it goes.

@scott5565 my home has a line of 40ft white cedar for a property line. I absolutely love these trees and does all the birds

@@jatpack3 Awesome! How old do you think those trees could be?

@@TBATG Make sure you get the "black hills" cultivar of picea glauca for your Louisiana experiment. Good luck, and let us know how it grows!

@@moseseisley557 great you hear you reaching back!

@@jatpack3 I wish i could go to door county, but i'm on the other side of the state.

Welcome to Wisconsin! 🌲🌲🌲

@@scott5565 Thanks! It was a great break from the heat of TN.

​​@@SpartanTrees zone 7a. Meyer spruce (picea meyeri) is under-performing. Very slow growing and excessive bud loss for no apparent reason. If you want grow a spruce (genus picea) in TN, check out this video for an update on the full collection: ua-cam.com/video/f71zezOq7vI/v-deo.htmlsi=7ya5Z8WDBN4KqR-x

@moseseisley557 excellent video. I am in NE Oklahoma zone 6b. Looking for a spruce to grow commercially as I currently grow pines. Thank you for the information

@@SpartanTrees commercially as a christmas tree of for the horticultural trade?

I am a new Christmas Tree farmer. I haven't experimented with any Spruce, but wanted to see what a similar climate can get away with. Blue spruce is the only thing you see around here. However, once over 6 ft, they usually become diseased. I will be experimenting with Norways and my already planted Meyers

@@SpartanTrees Yeah, colorado blue is risky. I'm sure you know, but "blue ice" arizona cypress is more reliable, but people want the classic spruce/fir look. If i were an xmas tree farmer in OK, here's what i would grow (diversify risk across species): picea abies, picea occidentalis, picea glauca densata, picea koraiensis, pinus parviflora glauca, abies nordmanniana, abies bornmuelleriana, abies koreana, calocedrus decurrens. Also, you should check out videos by this guy: ua-cam.com/video/1WtUUzPzFTU/v-deo.htmlsi=NUSRuV9PeOHqnUh1

@@Supremedoge155 I seriously considered it but decided not to because i was worried about root & needle fungus in our humid climate. Afghan is better suited to texas & the southwest from what i have read. However, if you have tried afghan in the southeast i would love to hear about your growing experience!

@@PhilipJones-c6s Live plant from a nursery. If you want to try one you can find them on nurcar.com, but you better be living in the deep south to grow that species. Mine were killed by cold in Tennessee.

@@420satin666 mine was just beginning to sprout upward when i received it, but i don't really know how old it was. I think i read somewhere they can remain in the grass stage 5 to 7 years, but i could be making that up. I wish i could tell you that when they do start growing the shoot up rapidly, but unfortunatly they grow slowly at all stages.

@@supercut2442 If they are sprouting suckers at the base of the trunk, then, yes - prune the suckers. If you are talking about further up on the tree like branches, i would say two things: 1) Why are you pruning those pines? They are meant to be full-sized forest trees. 2) If you are trying to create a dense shrub then you want new buds to form after pruning, so no - you should not prune new buds on branches after pruning because that's where the dense growth for your shrub comes from.

@@TBATG In theory, yes! But i never really got into propagation and grafting. In the case of cephalotaxus harringtonia, you can just buy a large one from wilsonbrosgardens.com and save yourself 10 years of waiting.

@@moseseisley557 I have a cool fact to share, so one of my old (previous) teachers gave me a money tree cutting with a node at the end of it. I put it in a cup of water, and monitored it daily, changing the water every so days. Then after about 3 weeks, white groundy spurts popped up at the end of the cutting, I thought it was fungus at first but I search it up and it was roots! Once the roots got big enough, I put it in soil, the roots did an amazing job, and this was my first ever successful propagation!

@@TBATG Awesome! I wish it was that easy with all species!

@@moseseisley557 exactly! It's pretty hard to do it to certain conifers, their so fragile.

@@streeeetz6059 Why would you grow a dawn redwood in a pot in Virginia? This is where scientific names come in handy: Dawn Redwood = metasequoia glyptostroboides... Native to central China. This is not a tree from California. Dawn redwood grows faster than most native trees in Virginia and is very cold hardy.

@@kongotronics Cool! What part of the country are you growing the xanthocyparis in? Any trouble with cold tolerance?

@@Joshgats20 That could survive, but i need evergreen trees in that spot for privacy. I think i'm going to try a mix of calocedrus decurrens, magnolia virginiana, and cephalotaxus harringtonia.

@@moseseisley557Good choices.

@@Joshgats20 Agreed, they are not that good. Mine still had the Western Evergreen Nursery tag still on it, so it's obvious that singtree is buying wholesale from Western Evergreen and re-selling online. However, i'm glad they do because Western Evergreen is too stupid/lazy to offer their full inventory online.

@@nativeandunusualplants3582 Yeah, I never would have known about it if I hadn't been browsing nurcar.com.

@@kathyhornbuckle4966 I believe these were 3-gallon trees.

@@chickenfarm09 Ha ha, yeah, good point!

@@TBATG @HandcraftedintheFoothills Yes, it was! Unfortunately it was killed in Dec 2022 when the temperature dropped to -4°F.

@@moseseisley557 aww, hopefully these trees can do well in Louisiana, winters don't get too cold, the lowest temperature we had last time was 18 degrees.

@@TBATG They should be fine in Louisiana!

@@ToccataLuna Yeah, i was surprised how many of them there were growing in Wisconsin!

@@nathanschley2088 True. Sometimes i do see dwarf virginia pine on coniferkingdom.com

@@HandcraftedintheFoothills Yes, it was! Unfortunately it was killed in Dec 2022 when the temperature dropped to -4°F.

@@moseseisley557 oh that stinks

@@Joshgats20 Yeah, up in the mountans of east TN, i think it could be possible. I wouldn't try it in middle TN though.