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So much cringe... and I'm a lifelong Amiga fan.

that singer is really good!!

Thanks for the video.

I know this works, because we had a C64 lab set up this way when I was in 6th grade in the early 1980's. One drvie served several C64s.

If I could go back in time, 100% it would be to when I was a kid unwrapping my Amiga 500 and the 5 or so years I was using it. Also seeing devs learn to push the hardware year on year is a somewhat lost artform nowadays.

Thank you for the video! I have a BusCard (not BusCard II) that came bundled with an original 1982 "Made in Canada" breadbox C64 I bought as a collector's item. It has two clips rather than one, and was designed for use with those very early boards. For lack of PET hardware, I've never seen any version of the BusCard actually working with a disk drive, until now! -- JC

Wait, wasn't that jet fighter scene part of a CDTV demo? 🤔

Wow, they must have spent months writing those lyrics!

That dude singing kinda sounds like a woman, I wonder if this is mid transition 😂. Either way it’s hard to understand how people heard this horror and said yes! This is the true amiga computer summed up in a “catchy” song 😂. Then to make a music video? I guess Rick James was right, it is a hell of a drug!😂

This is a really brilliant technical video, wasnt expecting this at all as so many just show and tell, so many thanks, my setup is c64+2031lp+sfd-1001, be nice if you coudl take say a 2031lp apart and explain the chipset?

Only Commodore made songs this bad possible.

damn :)

This song still makes me cringe 30 years later

Great content Dave!! I think a great video would be identifying who the guy on the box is and then interviewing to see where his life went and what he's doing today! LOL

Hey, thanks for this video! I have an 8050 and 1001 along with A C64 (obviously), Buscard, but also a P500 that I want to get working with these drives. This video will be very helping me test things. Thanks!

Wow, so not only did Commodore cripple their read speeds by not fixing a programming bug, they invented a way to cram over a megabyte worth of data onto a double density disk and then didn't use it for their best-selling drives. Imagine a world where _Ultima VI_ shipped on a single disk instead of six.

use userport and type a few lines

wow i never know there was so meny disk drives. c64 my mv fav computer all time

20:30 "Why?" My uncle wanted all of his purchased software backed up, and (when possible) he wanted multiple programs on one large capacity 8050 disk. He did this to prevent loss and to save on media costs. The 'standard' C64 drives had also developed a bad reputation for overheating, damaging disks and mechanically failing. Hard to say how accurate the rumors were (aside from the overheating), but those were the motivations for using the 8050 on a C64. Based on the build quality, you could also probably drop the thing without destroying it.

The "Interpod" converter connected through the standard serial drive connection, and it didn't require any sort of hardware mod: 100% plug and play. HOWEVER, we used that with an 8050.

Yes, it absolutely works... with an "Interpod" converter box. In fact, it's a better setup than the standard C64 drives.

Drive light isn't working on the first 2040?

Jim Butterfield!! @4:40 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Butterfield

Jim Butterfield shows up at the 4:35 mark. :)

Another use case since I knew somebody that did it back in the day - Replacing a PET with a C64. The interface was a lot cheaper than buying two new 1541 drives and the Commodore supplied PET emulator let her keep using a lot of her existing software.

Was this in California? I think I was there.

Cool video - new subscriber.

That's actually Santa Clara, near the San Jose city limit but in Santa Clara, next to the airport. 390 Reed St Santa Clara, Ca.

Does the 2040 have a quicker data speed than the 1541?

Even when I was little, reading the manual to my new 64, this whole thing felt like it was for the PET owner who was writing their own BASIC or what have you and wanted to transfer over business data. But why would you do that other than for color, hmm...

I wrote my own BBS for the C64 and used a 1541 as my boot disk and two 8250 drives for messages, files and games. I used a Skyles Electric IEEE-488 adapter to connect the drives. I really wish I could find a Skyles Electric IEEE-488 adapter now!!

are the drive LEDs on the 2040 broken?

I had an IEEE-488 adapter and one of these dual pet drives for a while. It's been a long time.. even had some Hard drives that I used and later moved to the CMD hard drive (that was sweet with Jiffy Dos ROMs.. ).. I loved those old commodore systems. I had an eprom burner that I used to make custom ROMS with.. change the default color schemes and the wording on the start up screen.. those were the days.. when games fit on a singled sided floppy... now you need a dual layered DVD disk at least.

I wonder why did Commodore change anything on the drives and the computers,, instead of leaving them alone and selling them with the newer computers. Maybe a different size form factor, but I would leave it to be fully compatible if I was in charge.

My head-canon for this was always that Commodore themselves were using the PET drives internally via early boards that took a while to get to production. To cover the period when the 1541 was being developed and then going through it’s development hell phase of trying to fix the performance issues. Based on absolutely nothing of course, just seemed like a reasonable scenario for the early photos to feature those PET drives. Would love to see a repeat of your performance tests as my guess is those PET drives would perform much better than the stock 1541 setups.

I had an 8050 up until 15 years ago during a move I had to give up quite a bit of my collection. I solely used it with my C64 using a cable that directly connected to the cartridge port, presumably a commodore cable for this very purpose. It was fast that was for sure. I used Quickee Mail, I think that was the name, to download newsgroup data, unzip it onto the 8050 to read the newsgroup info and then repack and send back out. i can just remember it being so massive and also had so much capacity. I had traded a SupraTurbo 28 for the Amiga 500 for it.

What always interested me about Commodore disk drives up through the C64 were that unlike IBM and Apple drives (and the later Amiga ones, of course) the Commodore ones were entire computers in their own right, with CPU, and the same amount of RAM as their parent system.

Great to see someone else covering these old IEEE-488 drives! I think you may be running DOS 2 ROMS on your 2040 - these later ROMs are typically the 4040 ROMs so I think that makes it a 4040 🙂. The DOS 1 2040 and 3040 were less compatible with the DOS 2 machines that you suggest, because they had an extra sector on tracks 18-24 compared to the DOS 2 drives. I spent quite a while banging my head against that brick wall in this video ua-cam.com/video/sTCOTXtfprY/v-deo.html while trying to write an "original" 2040 demo disk.

Neat! I want one of those adapters. BTW, it's 10 x easier to read the real C64 screen than it is your screen capture. What are you using for capture?

I know it's an absolutely pointless effort, but here's to hoping some bored hobbyist(s) find a way to get using disk images+fast loading working with those 2mb disks so we can way more efficiently archive our stacks of c64 disks in hindsight, on original hardware 😅

Minor nitpick - can you do what Robin from 8-Bit Show and Tell does, and hit C= + 2 to change the text to white when you're typing? Your video capture is *very* hard to read, and it's actually clearer to look at what's going on on the monitor!

I have used IEEE-488 drives with my C64, there were huge advantages to doing that, provided you could deal with them not being 1541 compatible. Not a big deal for me as I was writing my own software, and used a customized version of the rom for Commodore's IEEE-488 interface I made. edit: yes, it took quite a while for Commodore to deliver the IEEE-488 interface, not entirely sure how long, but I know I had to wait at least 8 months for it to get delivered, after I had gotten the SFD-1001, while buying both at the same time (it was supposed to be a bundle). I never used the 'PET' drives for a BBS, but I know people who did. Instead, I upgraded the SFD-1001 drive I used for development, and the 8250 we used for 'production' to 32K RAM, and ran the customer information system I developed mostly on the drive, with the C64 mostly running the user interface. At some point we added a second 8250, which gave us 4MB storage, which could do things like scan for data on 2 drives in parallel, at the speed the drive mechanism supported, while the C64 could keep itself busy with displaying the results. That setup outperformed similar software running on a PC/XT with its hdd. Even a PC/AT merely came close.

I love the big CBM dual disk drives. I have two 8050s which sort of work, but both have unreliable drive units zero, which probably saw a lot of use. I need to refurbish them further, but keep pushing this as it will be hard and not guaranteed to work. I still don't know exactly what's wrong with them.

Can you make a video about JiffyDOS? I assume it is similar but would love to learn more.

it's not 'copy protection' it's called 'selling deliberate broken software that despite the fact ti's advertised to work with a c64, only works with a c64, and one, very specific, diskdrive, commodore themselves ever sold as well, and some clones thereof' that diskdrive being the cheapest piece of crap they ever made: the 1541. as obviously the c64 as per spec connects to -any- diskdrive or harddisk made by anyone. those do not have to run on a 6502. they just have to run accordingly to the protocol as in the manuals of the c64. your software has an obligation to work with -anything- that confirms to that standard. not just a 1541. (who wants a 1541 anyway. they're slow. even back then they were the lousiest pieces of shit commodore ever made much less the entire market ever made to connect either to ieee488 or cbm serial ;) loading code into the diskdrive or fucking around with invalid sectors is not 'c64 compatible as per spec. the latter is even to be considered 'deliberately selling an outright broken product'.

I've always wondered: what are the sequential, relative and user SEQ, REL and USR files, and what were the use cases for them?

A videotheque check-in / check-out / reservation system is another use case for these big capacity drives, but the real bummer is that the IEEE-488 interface uses the cartridge port instead of the user port, wasting the precious cartridge slot.

The 8250lp is a beauty. One use case for the high capacity would be a large database using REL files.

If the SFD ten-oh-one (easier to say than "one thousand one") wasn't directly compatible with the 64 then why did they give it a 1541-style of case? And while we're at it, why wasn't that the standard capacity for all 5.25" Commodore disk drives moving forward instead of dropping back down to SSDD for the 41 and only DSDD for the 71?

Wow, so if you could get 2MB onto a disk formatted by the 8250, why didn't that become the standard for higher-density 5.25" disks instead of 1.2MB?