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Thrust-to-Weight ratio, Fuel & Performance Study: F-14 Tomcat
flyandwire.com/2024/12/20/twr-fuel-performance-study-f-14-tomcat/
After a few months spent collecting data, I have finally finished a new thrust-to-weight fuel & performance model. However, the amount of data is so huge that I had to break it down into multiple discussions. This is the first one, and we start with a bang with one of the most beautiful aeroplanes ever designed: the F-14 Tomcat.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 NOTAM
00:24 Aircraft reference table
00:57 F-14 Test payload
01:31 F-14A-135-GR Late
02:36 Ground-level performance
04:17 High-altitude performance
04:58 F-14B
05:42 Ground-level performance
06:39 High-altitude performance
07:02 F-14A vs F-14B
07:30 Ground + reheat
08:13 Ground + mil
08:33 30,000ft + reheat
08:51 30,000ft + mil
09:13 Fuel Consumption
10:59 Conclusions
LINKS
Updated Aircraft Reference Table: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h-1nyxH0dulwHgNQ-dVPmfmB8DbUZB-bXjiMdp8_nkg
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Active Radar Homing Missiles II: Performance Comparison - DCS
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flyandwire.com/2024/12/08/active-radar-homing-missiles-ii-performance-comparison/ Following the extensive introduction of the previous Part I, we now dive into a more direct comparison of DCS's active radar-homing missiles, using the same modus operandi, with a neat variation in the 10,000ft test. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 NOTAM 00:17 Scenarios: recap 00:40 35,000ft DA 01:40 35,000ft Crank 02:00 25,000f...
Armored Brigade II - "Twin Valleys" mission P3 - Hold the line
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flyandwire.com/ The northern flank is stabilised, but the southern is swarmed by three dozen Soviet T-62, BTR, and T-55 supported by mortars and heavy artillery. US/NATO forces try to hold the line. Who will break first? This is the last gameplay part of this mission. Part IV, the last one, contains the debriefing, replay and stats of the mission.
Armored Brigade II - "Twin Valleys" mission P2 - Northern push
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flyandwire.com/ As the NATO/US forces move into position, Soviet tanks and vehicles push hard from the northern valley. Losses are minor, and the attack is contained. Meanwhile, the forces located in the southern valley brace for the impact of a few dozen Soviet vehicles. NOTE I: While editing, I noticed I spent considerable time pausing and thinking or planning. I understand this is not great ...
Armored Brigade II - "Twin Valleys" mission P1 - Planning
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flyandwire.com/ Something different today: Armoured Brigade II, recently released and with a bunch of new additions, a 3D engine in primis. In this Single Mission, NATO/US forces hold two adjacent valleys against hordes of Soviets. The resources are limited, so planning took me some time. If you want to skip to the conclusion of the planning phase, check the timestamps below. Please note that I...
Active Radar Homing Missiles I: First Launch Opportunity & Ranges - DCS
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flyandwire.com/2024/11/18/active-radar-homing-missiles-i-first-launch-opportunity-ranges/ UPDATE 08/12/2024: Part II now available ua-cam.com/video/W5b2Le6tMao/v-deo.html There are several different Active Radar Homing missiles in DCS. This study aims to discuss and compare them, to use them better, and defend from them more effectively. The first chapter of the study introduces the ARH missile...
DCS JF-17: Air-to-Air Targeting & Tracking Modes (+ Performance test!) - A/A Radar II
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flyandwire.com/2024/11/02/jf-17-air-to-air-targeting-tracking-a-a-radar-ii/ The JF-17's KLJ-7 provides a number of options for the pilot to engage their targets. This video is an overview of STT, SAM and DTT. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction 00:21 STT, SAM, DTT: Differences 01:21 In-Game: STT 02:19 In-Game: SAM 03:23 SAM & STT Performance study 05:14 Note on multiple engagements 06:02 Supersearch ...
DCS JF-17: KLJ-7 Air-to-Air Search Modes - A/A Radar I
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flyandwire.com/2024/10/23/jf-17-klj-7-air-to-air-search-modes-a-a-radar-i/ After a broad overview of the KLJ-7 functions, we dive deeper into the available Air-to-Air Search Modes: Velocity Search, Range-While-Search, and Track-While-Scan. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction 00:21 Radar modes classification 00:42 Search modes 02:01 Range-While-Search 04:02 Track-While-Scan 05:15 Velocity Search 07:38...
DCS JF-17: More Looks, More Issues - UPDATED
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flyandwire.com/ UPDATE The issue highlighted was a bug. Deka has fixed it in DCS Patch 2.9.9.2280 This is how it looks like now: flyandwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/jf17-issue2-rws_hsi_tracks.jpeg Full readme: www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/changelog/stable/2.9.9.2280/ As I was investigating the details of the KLJ-7's performance and peculiarities, I noticed that track files on th...
DCS JF-17: KLJ-7 Radar Overview
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flyandwire.com/2024/09/29/jf-17-klj-7-radar-overview/ The KLJ-7 is the Fire Control Radar (FCR) mounted in the JF-17. It was introduced in the mid-2000s and is considered a modern radar, more or less on par with other 4th-generation fighters available in DCS. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction 00:54 Characteristics 02:14 Air-to-air Overview 04:05 Azm/bars antenna pattern animation 04:58 Azimuth sett...
DCS JF-17: First Look, First Issues
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flyandwire.com/2024/09/20/jf-17-thunder-first-look-first-issues/ After spending about 10 minutes looking at the radar of the JF-17, the KJL-7, I noticed a few things that baffled me. I am not sure whether I am missing something or if there is an actual problem, so I recorded this quick video to see what you guys think. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction 00:36 Insta-Twiz 01:50 Unconstrained TWS? 02:4...
DCS F-4E Air-to-Air VII: "40° Cold of CATA" Intercept Technique
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flyandwire.com/2024/09/18/f-4e-air-to-air-vii-40-cold-of-cata-intercept-technique This article discusses another 1970s intercept technique. It is not as simple as the Sync-Z-Turn discussed previously, but it is still quite intuitive and easy to remember. The fulcrum of the manoeuvre lies in the name: “40° Cold of CATA at 25nm”. Yes, it’s a long name. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction 00:24 Flow 02:...
DCS F-4E Air-to-Air VI: Assess Collision ATA & Bandit Heading [Essential]
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flyandwire.com/2024/09/04/f-4e-air-to-air-vi-assess-cata-bandit-heading-essential/ This video shows a helpful procedure to determine the Collision Antenna Train Angle (CATA) and the Bandit's Heading without necessarily requiring a radar lockon. These parameters increment the crew's SA, enabling intercept techniques and effective target engagement. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction 00:09 Definitions...
Four Ship: Mission Planning - US AF 1986 Article
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flyandwire.com/2024/08/13/four-ship-mission-planning-us-af-1986-article/ A fantastic article discussing points relevant to the 4-ship planning and employment, from TACAN management to sort, radios, merge and more. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Start 00:21 Introduction 01:00 Philosophy 01:35 Avionics 04:00 Ingress / Combat Air Patrol 07:58 Intercept 11:22 Merge 14:01 Overall Considerations Narrator: @ghostdo...
MiG-29 "Fulcrum": SYNC-Z-TURN Demo
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flyandwire.com/2024/08/10/mig-29-sync-z-turn-demo/ I know I said no more Sync-Z-Turn demos, but the beautiful Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29, commonly known on NATO’s shores as “Fulcrum”, has been mentioned in the comments. It is also a good chance to catch two Soviets with one stone, as both the Su-27 and the MiG-29 have similar avionics. So here it is, a quick MiG-29 Sync-Z-Turn demo. TIMESTAMPS 00:...
NEW Patch: AI Group Improvements - DCS 2.9.7.58923 - 09/08/2024
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NEW Patch: AI Group Improvements - DCS 2.9.7.58923 - 09/08/2024
MiG-21bis "Fishbed": SYNC-Z-TURN Demo
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MiG-21bis "Fishbed": SYNC-Z-TURN Demo
F-5E-3 Tiger II: SYNC-Z-TURN Demo
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F-5E-3 Tiger II: SYNC-Z-TURN Demo
F-14 Tomcat: SYNC-Z-TURN Demo
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F-14 Tomcat: SYNC-Z-TURN Demo
Mirage F1: SYNC-Z-TURN Demo
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Mirage F1: SYNC-Z-TURN Demo
DCS F-4E Air-to-Air V: Sync-Z-Turn [Essential]
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DCS F-4E Air-to-Air V: Sync-Z-Turn [Essential]
"A Pyrrhic Victory? Or, How Many Missiles Do I Shoot?” - US AF 1986 Article
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"A Pyrrhic Victory? Or, How Many Missiles Do I Shoot?” - US AF 1986 Article
Direction of Passage - Air Combat Bite-sized
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Direction of Passage - Air Combat Bite-sized
HCA, Cut and Lateral Separation - Air Combat Bite-sized
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HCA, Cut and Lateral Separation - Air Combat Bite-sized
Antenna Train Angle - Air Combat Bite-sized
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Antenna Train Angle - Air Combat Bite-sized
Closure rate (Vc) - Air Combat Bite-sized
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Closure rate (Vc) - Air Combat Bite-sized
Aspect Angle - Air Combat Bite-sized
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Aspect Angle - Air Combat Bite-sized
Drift and Hot/Cold side of the radar scope - Air Combat Bite-sized
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Drift and Hot/Cold side of the radar scope - Air Combat Bite-sized
DCS AI HUGE ISSUE in a single image *UPDATED*
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DCS AI HUGE ISSUE in a single image *UPDATED*
NaviGIB - A 1970 USAF Article
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NaviGIB - A 1970 USAF Article

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @middleclassthrash
    @middleclassthrash 4 дні тому

    It would be cool if they made a belt that goes around your chest and you have to expand against it with sufficient force in order to not black out from g-forces.

  • @middleclassthrash
    @middleclassthrash 4 дні тому

    How can it look this good?

  • @BlitzvogelMobius
    @BlitzvogelMobius 4 дні тому

    One of the things that drives me up a wall is how everywhere, we see "Sea Level Static Thrust" statistics for engines. The F-14's version of the TF-30 based on what a I read, is producing almost 30,000 lbs of thrust at optimal airspeed and intake conditions versus the much lower values it's known for in sea level static thrust.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 4 дні тому

      Yeah, and even worse, very often, the context of the value is not specified either. That's why I shared the "live" spreadsheet, so I can update if I find more appropriate values.

  • @FlyAndWire
    @FlyAndWire 5 днів тому

    Aircraft reference table - Public spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h-1nyxH0dulwHgNQ-dVPmfmB8DbUZB-bXjiMdp8_nkg (Already linked in the comments but added here for greater visibility)

  • @Scoobydcs
    @Scoobydcs 5 днів тому

    The f14 is VERY fast. ESPECIALLY when loaded

  • @hotrod_invader
    @hotrod_invader 5 днів тому

    DCS F15E is powered by the P&W F100-PW-229 engines not the 220

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 5 днів тому

      The spreadsheet in the comment lists the sources as well, in this case wiki. It lists both the -220 and the -229, I suppose it depends on the upgrade? Do you have more info? Thanks!

    • @xpk0228
      @xpk0228 4 дні тому

      @@FlyAndWire I think the DCS one models the 229. That is what ED says on their website

    • @The_Tau
      @The_Tau 4 дні тому

      229 is supposed to produce much more power than 220 isn't it? I can also see in pvp how ludicrously fast F15E is, chilling at mach 1.8 at 50k

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 4 дні тому

      Ah, I missed that. Thanks, I'm updating the spreadsheet. The thrust value reported by P&W is the same as I found for the dry thrust. I won't touch those and just change the nomenclature for the moment. www.prattwhitney.com/en/products/military-engines/f100

  • @Aragorn4262
    @Aragorn4262 5 днів тому

    This is great information. I've heard arguments that the TF30's were better at high alt, but it seems like the F-110's are just superior in the majority of cases. especially when using payloads.

    • @Spike_au
      @Spike_au 5 днів тому

      Dont you mean low altitude. Think the 110 had digital fuel control and didn't perform as well down low. TF30s were designed for the F111 so i assume it had great low level performance.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 5 днів тому

      Yep, I heard the same. The numbers seem to confirm what most pilots say. For example, there are accounts of DACT of Tomcat vs F-15 or others almost mocking the F-14 lack of performance when low on energy, but then they were surprised when the F110 was deployed, as it allowed to recover from low-energy states much better. I think Aircrew Interview has a couple of interviews along this line, and the F-14 Tomcast as well.

  • @lionelbowhunter468
    @lionelbowhunter468 5 днів тому

    Amazing amazing work!! Thx a lot!! greetings from France :D

  • @J-Dads
    @J-Dads 12 днів тому

    Really good video. But why do you feel the need to tell everyone you went to a Grammar School?

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 12 днів тому

      I am not sure I understand. Grammar schools are not a thing in my country. I attended a technical institute. My English is mostly self-taught, so not particularly good. Obv the narrator is Scottish (Ghostdog), but he is not the one who wrote the script. - Karon

    • @J-Dads
      @J-Dads 12 днів тому

      @ overuse of Latin: a dead language

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 12 днів тому

      ROFL sure. Tell me you don't do anything related to law or science, and you don't know where 30% or more of your language comes from (assuming it is English), or you don't use abbreviations or words such as "i.e.", "e.g.", "c.v.", "consensus", "major", "super", et cetera. Heck, you don't know the etymology of the months. On top of that, it is still the official language of the Vatican and is still commonly studied. Most lyceums (or gymnasiums? Not sure which is the most appropriate translation) where I am from have Latin as a mandatory topic. Also, breaking news, the world is round, and not everyone has the same background or speaks the same language. If you are a native of a romance language (indirectly, English as well), chances are you use plenty of Latin without even realising it. Lastly, here is a fitting example since this is an aviation channel. Check interviews or books with British crews. New pilots are routinely called "ab initio". A quick Ctrl+F shows: - "Gledhill, David; Keeble, Philip. Per Ardua: Training an RAF Phantom Crew" shows that "ab initio" is used 7 times. - "Wilson, Tug. Confessions of a Flying Instructor: Teaching the RAF's Fighter Pilots" used it as well. - "Jefford, C.G.. Observers and Navigators: And Other Non-Pilot Aircrew in the RFC, RNAS and RAF" used it 44 (!) times. Should I continue?

    • @J-Dads
      @J-Dads 12 днів тому

      @ I am simply making the point that while the content is extremely good, the language is unnecessarily inaccessible.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 5 днів тому

      Thank you. I understand that, but this is how I speak and write. I don't have the time or will to relearn. Also, I would argue that English, especially Simplified English (US') is full of jargon, words and colloquialisms that are made up and/or hard to grasp for non-natives such as myself. E.g. the first time I heard "y'all", I thought the person was saying some sort of "yo" - except it made no sense in the context of the sentence. At least Latin is used, albeit often unknowingly, and it is part of the core of the English language.

  • @sigzauer
    @sigzauer 14 днів тому

    outstanding

  • @AlphaGatorDCS
    @AlphaGatorDCS 17 днів тому

    awesome study! thanks!!

  • @mrcat5508
    @mrcat5508 17 днів тому

    Are you using a robot ai voice or is that just what you sound like

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 17 днів тому

      This is an AI TTS. If you check my old videos, you can hear my voice. I had a friend (GhostDog) doing some VA for a bit, but nowadays, I can't provide him with a decent enough script, and I can't ask him to re-record or correct bits and pieces multiple times.

  • @dunbar555
    @dunbar555 17 днів тому

    awesome video, as always

  • @wargames637
    @wargames637 17 днів тому

    I would say a heavier missile like the SD-10 with its longer burn time would beat the amraam in kinematics, but when it comes down to seeker performance i'd believe Amraam is better.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 17 днів тому

      Yes, more or less. The question is how much we care about chaff resistance anyway. Remember the old AIM-54A Mk60.

    • @yifanzhao4572
      @yifanzhao4572 16 днів тому

      I forgot where did I see it, but it says the SD-10 is 10% easier to notch than the AIM-120C-5

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 13 днів тому

      The day RWRs become more realistic and seekers start to reacquire, this should be a non-factor.

  • @spicyrice8912
    @spicyrice8912 20 днів тому

    If anything, this video is absolutely proof that the game is not a “scam”.

  • @kontoniawon2642
    @kontoniawon2642 22 дні тому

    Thanks for your hard work, I’d never know that Heatblur made the radar simulation that great

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 20 днів тому

      No problem, glad you found it useful :)

  • @Zergman1
    @Zergman1 22 дні тому

    You can split and change waypoint orders. CTRL Right click on waypoint (or was it left) There you can change SOP and everything

  • @rufus-h6x
    @rufus-h6x 23 дні тому

    I really appreciate your efforts! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). Could you explain how to move them to Binance?

  • @FlyAndWire
    @FlyAndWire 25 днів тому

    While editing, I noticed I spent considerable time pausing and thinking or planning. I understand this is not great from a viewer's perspective, so let me know if you want me to cut such parts or let the recording flow pretty much untouched. Thanks!

  • @A2Moonclaw
    @A2Moonclaw 26 днів тому

    So nice to hear your voice again!

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 25 днів тому

      Thanks! Unfortunately my ability of thinking, commenting and playing is quite poor :|

  • @roman335i
    @roman335i Місяць тому

    Russian invasion of Crimea...you forgot to add "Nuland regimechange"....was also in 2014

  • @CommanderSteinsch
    @CommanderSteinsch Місяць тому

    Outstanding work!

  • @Disc0rd83
    @Disc0rd83 Місяць тому

    interesting study. To complete the JF-17 part, its radar is weaker than F-14/16/18 one. But the Thunder get an enormous advantage in combat thanks to the SPJ pod : thanks to it, the ennemy is not enable to open fire early, when the JF-17 can track in TWR. For example, in some tests I made a year ago, F-18 can't get a firing solution over 28Nm while jammer active. And SD-10/JF-17 stay pretty lethal, even firing on an jamming plane.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      Good point, but a non-factor in the current EW simulation. I can kill jamming targets at 60nm in the Tomcat (check old related videos). Hopefully, one day, we will have either a more believable EW simulation or see it removed altogether.

    • @Disc0rd83
      @Disc0rd83 Місяць тому

      @@FlyAndWire i guess the Tomcat is a special case, cause JF-17 jammer is a real pain in the *ss for my F-18 friends ^^

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      Well, until recently, the Tomcat was the only FW fighter I played with (now I can add the F-4E). Can't you angle-track in the F-18? Then manually loft the 120 and call it a day? IRL it does not work like that, but this is DCS...

  • @mortlet5180
    @mortlet5180 Місяць тому

    Great video! One thing to look out for, however, is that DCS *seems* to use different missile aerodynamic and/or guidance models when launching against AI in single-player, than it does for PvP ( this might be due to 'balancing', as an attempt at saving computational resources, or something else.). I'm not familiar with DCS's code and I haven't even played in over a year, so this might not be relevant anymore, but I just wanted to give you a heads up to check some of your numbers in a PvP scenario where both parties are flying "full fidelity" modules. I'd love to know how big the differences are today. I do know for a fact (from watching the missiles' fins and the resultant G's over their flight path) that your radar mode and settings does affect a launched missile's *guidance* efficiency and its effectiveness against maneuvering targets. For example, guiding an AMRAAM while having your radar set to its largest azimuth and bars scan volume, in RWS or even TWS mode (since DCS's "track files" don't actually make use of any proper tracking filters to 'fill- in' the temporal gaps in radar coverage), would obviously increase the target revisit time; However, this then somehow also translates into the missile receiving an instantaneous step-function-shaped jump in its guidance feedback error, each and every time that your radar scans back over that same maneuvering target. The only way to make sure the missile's midcourse guidance doesn't intermittedly pull large G's for a short time, only to go back to 1G coasting for multiple seconds (which is obviously a lot less efficient than just smoothly turning with a constant, but relatively low, acceleration), is to keep the target in an STT lock for as long as possible, or failing that, to use the smallest possible radar scan volume to minimize the amplitude of those guidance steps. Therefore I'd also recommend that you use STT wherever able to get the most consistent and repeatable results. P.S. In case someone reading this thinks it's reasonable for ED to implement missiles' midcourse guidance updates like this, "because the missile wouldn't know it's off-course until the radar has confirmed that the target has moved", that would be the same as thinking that a missile couldn't lead its target, because it "doesn't know where the target will be in the future". In fact, there are numerous tracking filters and maneuverability aware extrapolation techniques that are known in the public literature to solve these problems.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      Hey, thanks for your comment. I'm a bit in a hurry, but: - In primis, the vast majority of players play SP. I can put together some tests to see if there's any difference in a PvP scenario; it won't take long. The only concern is about the precision of the scenario. - What you described is well shown by the AIM-54A: in TWS, it changes course every 2s rather than constantly. A sort of "boom-boom but not really" because the surfaces are not fully actuated, just more than normal to compensate more. The 54C has an INS and better guidance, and it can lead as required. However, last time I checked, the difference was really negligible in any scenario (IIRC <0.1%, thus falling into the modus operandi tolerance). Also, TWS is (unfortunately) the most commonly used radar mode in DCS. There's an argument for using that. - Lastly, being an empirical study, there is an intrinsic level of imprecision. It probably obfuscates any minor difference introduced by radar modes.

    • @mortlet5180
      @mortlet5180 Місяць тому

      @@FlyAndWire Thank you for considering it and for the detailed response, I really do appreciate it.

  • @ChimneyRacoon
    @ChimneyRacoon Місяць тому

    Pl-12/SD10 over performing for years now.

  • @jimmydesouza4375
    @jimmydesouza4375 Місяць тому

    I was watching an interview with a former tomcat pilot, I think the channel was "10% true", and he was saying how the pheonix was completely useless outside of 10 nautical miles because even a 5 degree heading change outside of that distance would cause the missile to lack the energy to reach the target because it was huge and slow. Struck me as odd, but at the same time there's no reason why he would lie and he was a former tomcat pilot.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      Yeah, well, on the other side, there are some accounts of the Phoenix diving at Mach 5. The problem with such a conclusion is that there are no details: which missile, what motor, what range, what type of target, jamming or not, radar mode, altitude and much more. On Steve's channel, there's the interview with "Puck" Howe. His explanation of the ranges at which the Phoenix worked better is what I have found to be the most common description of the missile.

    • @jimmydesouza4375
      @jimmydesouza4375 Місяць тому

      @@FlyAndWire Puck is the guy I am talking about.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      Odd, I don't remember such a passage. Neither on 10% True or F-14 Tomcast. It has been a while, though. I clearly remember him explaining the ranges thing I mentioned because I put it in my book/manual.

    • @jimmydesouza4375
      @jimmydesouza4375 Місяць тому

      @@FlyAndWire I was misremembering the figures slightly but it is from the "F-14 Tomcat Sunset" video on 10% true, in the "AGP-71 and the Phoenix" chapter. He describes how they would only use it within 20 (not 10) miles, it had a deadzone from 20-30 (he never explains what this deadzone was), and then they'd employ it again past 30 but even a slight 25 degree course correction would defeat the missile at those kinds of distances. And he is describing this in the context of the phoenix gaining increased capability from the AGP-71.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      Yep, that's the range bit I was talking about. The APG-71 is a non-factor, the problem is Soviet tactics and manoeuvres as they get closer. If a section splits and manoeuvres, and you are not as fast or high as you can be in DCS servers, then, of course, most missiles get thrashed. Rewatching the video, Puck said that 30-40 is the long-range shot. Then hold because the target at that point will follow Soviet doctrine and manoeuvre (which is a problem for any radar and missile, and that's their purpose), and employ again when they come hot, usually within 20 nm. However, put this into context: the longest ever AMRAAM kill apparently was by a Turkish AIM-120C-7 at a range of 28nm around 2010. With this in mind, a 40nm 20 years earlier is a hell of a shot. That being said, if you are at are normal altitude and not supersonic, 40nm against a target with an offset is challenging.

  • @taerdryn
    @taerdryn Місяць тому

    With the SD-10, it's worth noting that the missile will not loft at all unless the aircraft is pitched over 9 degrees, whereas the AIM-120 will loft on its own in a number of scenarios regardless of manual loft. It is essentially required to at least do a small manual loft in the JF-17 for the SD-10 to be anywhere near as effective as an AIM-120 in my opinion. Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, the SD-10 will respect whatever manual loft degree you do, up to about 45 degrees in my testing (past that it seems to go dumb and fly to space). This can result in some really crazy terminal dives. I'm still testing the tradeoff of actually doing such huge lofts, since you essentially dump all your airspeed for such a shot.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      You are correct, but I purposely kept most of the employment details out, leaving them for part II or III. It's an almost 19-minute long video already. The details I will add later, besides what you correctly mentioned, regard how to WCS handles the AIM-54, which is far from intuitive for ab initio players, how to take advantage from the manual loft of the R-77, and so on. Regarding the angle, the most efficient, before falling into guidance / tracking issues and diminishing returns, will probably be between 20° and 30°. This is where the AIM-54 falls as well. I made a thorough study months ago, with several thousand launches. It's somewhere on the website - I need moar coffe to remember how the video is called :S

    • @taerdryn
      @taerdryn Місяць тому

      @@FlyAndWire Interesting. I've been making a ton of 35-45 degree shots and getting very impressive results, but it's usually at the cost of dumping too much energy, given that the JF-17 usually sits at M0.7 - 0.9 with a full CAP loadout. Seems I should tone it down a bit and see if I get a bit better results at 20-30 degrees. Great video btw!

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      Found it: ua-cam.com/video/D0A5JQyaqN0/v-deo.html You can find charts and whatnot there. As mentioned, I tested it up to 50°, but then you introduce too many issues, or the results are just not worth it. Besides guidance, the WCS + INS sometimes can't keep up with sudden manoeuvres, especially in TWS. The JF has the problem of being a modernised F-5. It uses zero fuel, but, as you said, it's a bit of a brick once loaded up. If there's enough interest, I can make a brief study to figure out how different pitch angles affect the results.

    • @taerdryn
      @taerdryn Місяць тому

      @@FlyAndWire Thanks, will check this out!

  • @tamasratkai1130
    @tamasratkai1130 Місяць тому

    Great video again! Thank you!

  • @Tberror
    @Tberror Місяць тому

    With this video you really nailed the pace. I was able to follow along, consume the numbers and understand the reasoning. Well done.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      Thanks! This video took much longer than usual, but I also had more time to work on it. I also changed a lot of parts whilst editing, another reason why I am not sending scripts to Ghost Dog, I can't ask him to re-record bits and pieces every few hours :|

  • @colinterry7261
    @colinterry7261 Місяць тому

    I’m confused by your gameplay over realism comment. What did you mean by that?

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      For instance, the RWR simulation makes it impossible to be hit without knowing a missile is coming. For example, the Iraqi Mirage F1's RWR could not detect the incoming Phoenix (at least in the beginning). In more recent times, the first four MiG-29 splashed by NATO never detected the missiles coming. Another example is the coalition embedded in the aircraft: IRL, you want to be extremely sure before pulling the trigger and, when in doubt, you may want to VID. Here you have Focke-Wulf replying correctly to M4 interrogations oO"

    • @colinterry7261
      @colinterry7261 Місяць тому

      @ I see, i think i was getting caught up on the wording. My bad.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      I'm a non-native using an AI for voiceover. Chances are that it's my fault, not yours :) Just to reiterate, as we have seen with the F-4E, people complained its RWR could not detect certain missiles. Imagine if this was applied to most modules without programmable or updated suites. Many would call it unfair when, in reality, it's their potato-level situational awareness that's killing them. Also, I haven't checked recently, but the last time I looked into the Hornet RWR, I could complete a full intercept just with that and no radar. The real pilots and crews I showed the video to had a good laugh about how nonsensical it is.

    • @colinterry7261
      @colinterry7261 Місяць тому

      @@FlyAndWire Copy, bear with my pontification for a moment here. Assuming everyone (ED and Third Parties) agree on an RWR/IFF methodology, and it can be modeled “accurately” (within OPSEC limitations) for all current aircraft, would the community entertain a gamified version for pvp and a “real” version for servers/individuals/squadrons that want it? Now that I’ve said all that, the mountain of effort and coordination required probably inhibits its feasibility.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire 26 днів тому

      Well, players already set squawk codes (in sim servers), radio frequencies, laser codes and many other parameters. Many servers demand SRS or other forms of voice comms. All it would take is a proper briefing listing what setting to punch in, imo.

  • @HRPkatsu
    @HRPkatsu Місяць тому

    Nice video as always!!!! the energy state of the phoenix in the game is deplorable, the missile that should according to documentation have 97000lb of total impulse has just over 82000lb which makes it a much slower missile at high altitudes than it should in theory be.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      This is a complicated topic. I don't have access to the numbers. All docs I have seen have a nice black box covering them (ergo, they are redacted). The Phoenix in-game is quite similar to the real thing. However, it is also the best devs can do without having access to more tools. I can imagine, for example, that a faster cruising missile may result in comically high terminal speeds. Remember the missile API that was announced 4 years ago? Eh, AFAIK we are still waiting.

  • @cowboyzeera
    @cowboyzeera Місяць тому

    Nice job dude.... congrats!! ❤‍🔥

  • @AlphaGatorDCS
    @AlphaGatorDCS Місяць тому

    love this series!

  • @SL4Y3Rv
    @SL4Y3Rv Місяць тому

    S untyped by mistake 06:40 - Gotta love AI

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      Yes, I noticed post edit. I have no idea why it skipped it, since it's the script/article :|

  • @amizaur3marcinostrowski186
    @amizaur3marcinostrowski186 Місяць тому

    A brilliant study !

  • @dunbar555
    @dunbar555 Місяць тому

    your videos are amazing. I wish DCS radar quality was a good as your production

  • @FlyAndWire
    @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

    Feeling lost? These topics are not simple to understand. If you need resources and information, check here: flyandwire.com/training-centre-video-landing-page/

  • @PolarBearSeal
    @PolarBearSeal Місяць тому

    This is such a useful video. Many thanks.

  • @baronvonrichthofen2021
    @baronvonrichthofen2021 Місяць тому

    I have no idea what this means… lots of acronyms, no explanation what is actually being done in practise.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      Are you trolling or something? Have you considered checking the links in the description, the other links on this YT page or the pinned comment? The latter, ad verbatim, says: "Feeling lost? These topics are not simple to understand. If you need resources and information, check here: flyandwire.com/training-centre-video-landing-page/" 🙄

  • @nathanalvar9156
    @nathanalvar9156 Місяць тому

    Well some of these things change since I the patch dropped. I will have to do some testing!

  • @falcon1204
    @falcon1204 Місяць тому

    Nice video, DCS is in desperate need on some improved AI management and overall AI intelligence on very basic BVR combat tactics (grinder, skate, banzai....). I wish this was actually a priority for ED specially as they are working on a DC. Its going to be horrendous with this AI.

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      I agree. Considering that the majority of the player base is SP only, that status of the AI is ever harder to understand.

  • @UCh905
    @UCh905 Місяць тому

    Thanks for another great video!

  • @slizra5765
    @slizra5765 Місяць тому

    I didnt understand what you meant very well

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      What did you not understand?

    • @slizra5765
      @slizra5765 Місяць тому

      When you tried to explain how the Radar functions​@@FlyAndWire

    • @FlyAndWire
      @FlyAndWire Місяць тому

      Can you be a bit more specific? How a radar works is a very long and complex topic. For the basics, check this video. I added some animations to show how the antenna moves, and so on. ua-cam.com/video/Y11-zrkWFtg/v-deo.html