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All the wonderful things that are just too geeky to go on the main Flowering Elbow channel :)
PRECISION the easy way, making CNC parts too big for a hobby mill
With some metalized epoxy tricks we add precision to the BIG rough casting we made in this video: ua-cam.com/video/CCBsAKCMTME/v-deo.html The part is for the CNC's Z-axis and is too long for our little hobby milling machine. If you don't have a mill and want to make precise parts this video could be useful.
See the CNC machine come together and tested on metals: ua-cam.com/video/cqYJS27aC4w/v-deo.html
Making the unorthodox gantry video: ua-cam.com/video/obR-l7qVhQY/v-deo.html
Casting and making the z-axis video: ua-cam.com/video/Jh4MVzn61dg/v-deo.html
23 metal casting tips (which is also the video where we make the large z axis spindle plate). ua-cam.com/video/CCBsAKCMTME/v-deo.html
Still more, playlist on the CNC: ua-cam.com/play/PL95ElZTgRGGtT0P3tldoWugwNVCTGtErC.html
If you would like to have a play with the 3D model of this machine you can get it if you buy us a coffee here: ko-fi.com/floweringelbow/shop
Metalized epoxy guide: ko-fi.com/s/bb8cbd72e1
Shout us a coffee on Ko-fi: ko-fi.com/floweringelbow/
The spindle motor in the video is a 240V single phase Jianken JGL-100mm 3.2kw 24000rpm BT30 ATC. It has ceramic bearings and thus far seems very very nice. We chose a 4 pole one, which has somewhat more torque at lower rpm than the 2 pole, but requires an 800Hz VFD. We will do a whole video on the spindle in the future. You can find them here: jianken.en.alibaba.com/ and if you do buy from them, message them and mention 'Flowering Elbow' to get yourself a discount!
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See the CNC machine come together and tested on metals: ua-cam.com/video/cqYJS27aC4w/v-deo.html
Making the unorthodox gantry video: ua-cam.com/video/obR-l7qVhQY/v-deo.html
Casting and making the z-axis video: ua-cam.com/video/Jh4MVzn61dg/v-deo.html
23 metal casting tips (which is also the video where we make the large z axis spindle plate). ua-cam.com/video/CCBsAKCMTME/v-deo.html
Still more, playlist on the CNC: ua-cam.com/play/PL95ElZTgRGGtT0P3tldoWugwNVCTGtErC.html
If you would like to have a play with the 3D model of this machine you can get it if you buy us a coffee here: ko-fi.com/floweringelbow/shop
Metalized epoxy guide: ko-fi.com/s/bb8cbd72e1
Shout us a coffee on Ko-fi: ko-fi.com/floweringelbow/
The spindle motor in the video is a 240V single phase Jianken JGL-100mm 3.2kw 24000rpm BT30 ATC. It has ceramic bearings and thus far seems very very nice. We chose a 4 pole one, which has somewhat more torque at lower rpm than the 2 pole, but requires an 800Hz VFD. We will do a whole video on the spindle in the future. You can find them here: jianken.en.alibaba.com/ and if you do buy from them, message them and mention 'Flowering Elbow' to get yourself a discount!
Lets Connect!
Ko-fi ko-fi.com/floweringelbow/
Our website: www.FloweringElbow.org
FB: floweringelbow/
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First multi axis MOVES with unusual ballscrew mounting
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It's been a LONG journey, but we finally have some movement on the CNC project. The first indicators are good. The 2.4m long x-axis is moving well even though driven from one side only! Here's the video explaining the benefits of the rotating ball nut system and how it works: ua-cam.com/video/HF-OtLCGphg/v-deo.html
How to use a Mill as a Surface Grinder (precision for cnc building punks)
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Surface grinders are great for making precise parts, but what if you don't have one? It is quite possible to use a mill instead, even a small mill-drill like our "X3 super mill". The main problem with most mills is that the rpm will be too low to give a good surface speed at the face of the grinding stone. This can be overcome by using the highest speed on the mill (only once the stone is dress...
How to test your ball screw? How straight is it?
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We use a dial indicator to test how bent (or not) a pair of C5 TBI Motion ball screws are. They are 32mm dia. 20mm pitch, 2450mm long, and were supplied by Fred from BST Automation in China. The ballnuts are the FSH type, that have internal recirculation, initiated from caps at the ends. These are supposed to support higher rotational speeds than the types a showed you in the previous video, th...
Tuning a Cheap Ball Screw (2 methods of nut overhaul)
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In this video, we tune-up a cheap Chinese ball screw from the CNC build. We try two methods and conclude the best involves a dismantle, clean, and reassemble... This one is a rolled screw with a 5mm pitch. It was from the ebay seller "linearmotionbearings2008". The ball bearings benefited from a good clean, stopping excessive wear and jerky linear motion. Thanks for watching, please consider su...
Rotating ballnut design for large CNC - Lessons Learned!
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Let's talk about the design and build of a large cnc router/mill. In the rotating ballnut system the nut is spun and the ballscrew is kept stationary - the reverse of typical arrangments. There are a few advantages to this as discussed. The pogo pin homing switches designed by Dirk can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/Z5Hd30bSlBU/v-deo.html Also big thanks to Boyan Silyavski for help with this d...
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Hey where did you get your ball screws
You showed us about 20% of the math's involved in the inertia equation So the nut is at a bigger radius than the screw so that needs to be put in the calculation you are also now carrying the mass of the motor around on the gantry with would be stationary if you have the screw turning you are also now turning those 2 or 4 gears to do the belt ... at what RPM was the ball screw sounding unpleasant .
love your work!
You'd never take apart a precision machined and ground ball screw. They are silky smooth and taling it apart will only serve to damage or makes things worse. The cheaper the rolled ball screw, the worse the balls fit the grooves. I've seen then where they contact less than 20% of the groove and the contact area is in different places on each side of the groove. The balls spin in directions they shouldn't and they sound awful. Your better off living with the higher backlash then trying to correct it. Run then in for a few hours and they get better. Trying to clean with wd-40 and blowing out with shop air can make things a lot worse. Unless you got high end water, particle and oil filters installed your blowing in air contaminated with water, oil and particulate. The standard ones that come with compressors or home depot do nothing to stop this. They let as much water and oul through as they stop. Simplev air tool motors don't care as long as they see a bit of lube, most bearings are sealed in these. If your blowing out any bearing with air or using a parts cleaner to clean the bearing you've effectively reduced the bearings life by atleast 50%.
seems too much, unless I could somehow reduce the steps to a point where literally it was barely turning, but I dont know if that would work.
they have an super lead as they call it. its about 3 rotations to go the entire 400mm
Hey brother! I have a question. I bought a set of 3 THK 2040 Ballscrews about 2 years ago. Well I just dug them out and I need to clean them, but more importantly, how do I find out information on if I can use them for my cnc? I went to THK website and its all locked down like fort knox haha
Hi, I really enjoyed your video series in making your industrial size CNC. I am wondering if you have the video of the process in making the rotating ball nut. I watch what you had posted carefully and wanted to know how you got the gear installed. Thanks... BZ
Use a cbn plated wheel. Way safer and you don't have to dress it!!!
Nice work on the driven nut I am working on a 3 meter screw. Driven nut Ballscrews are hard to find
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Where did you get that actuator? It would work perfect for my application.
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Utter genius
Design Option 1: Steel Rod Rotating at 100 revolutions per second Moment of Inertia of the rod (I): 0.40625 kg·m^2 Angular Velocity (ω): 628.32 rad/s Rotational Kinetic Energy (E): (1/2) * I * ω^2 Result: The rotational kinetic energy is approximately 80,562.5 joules (J). Design Option 2: 10 kg Object Moving at 70 cm/s Mass of the object (m): 10 kg Velocity of the object (v): 0.7 m/s Kinetic Energy (E): (1/2) * m * v^2 Result: The kinetic energy is approximately 0.245 joules (J). Conclusion: Comparing these two design options reveals a significant difference in terms of kinetic energy. The steel rod rotating at such a high speed (100 revolutions per second) possesses substantial rotational kinetic energy, approximately 80,562.5 joules, due to its moment of inertia and angular velocity. On the other hand, the 10 kg object moving at 70 cm/s has much lower kinetic energy, around 0.245 joules, due to its lower linear velocity. This difference in kinetic energy is crucial when considering the design and application of these systems.
The rotational inertia should not be limited to the mass difference of the nut vs screw, but how much of that mass is distributed away from the center of rotation- I suspect that the rotational inertia is not as much of a design constraint as you may think- the inertia of the gantry will obviously be more of a factor, so being able to put the motors on the table rather than gantry would be nice. And as another person posted, spinning the ball nut will complicate the oiling system. But there is never a right way or wrong way- very nice work and good job thinking outside the box!
WOW! You've got big balls!!!
Was thinkning of upgrading the work 5x10 router to this so it can handle steel, now makes me think that I'm gonna have to put in a lot of care into designing the rotating nut mechanism and finding good screws... great vid!
Did you consider using a rack and pinion? Getting close to ordering something myself, but still researching.
Hi sorry for the late reply. Yes, I did consider it, but wanted to have a crack at this method and thought it might be more accurate for the same cost...
Thank you for the reply, I found the rack to be far cheaper than ball screws here in Australia especially with frieght. A big factor for me is that got a CNC machine for free that already has one 2400 mm axis with a rack, it is quite a sold machine made for doing rotary work only. It is able to work with 2400mm long by 300 diameter with 2 spindles and 2 rotary axes. But the frame is onlr 750mm wide. What I am about to do is cut it up and rebuild it to the same size as your machine. My plan is be able build wind generators with blades up 2400mm long so a rotating diameter of around 5 metres. Previously I was thinking of making the blades with rotary axis but have decided it will be better to use 2 indexed positions instead. Getting software for the rotary axis work is expensive and there are backlash issues. I don't want to spend the money on Fusion 360 for what I am doing. I have also been looking a lot at your alloy casting videos with the intention of making blade hubs etc and using the CNC router to machine them. I plan to be using a motor generator from a Prius as the actual generator.@@FloweringElbow4SuperNerds
@@XXXXIndices Did you end up using rack and pinion (RP)? I am thinking of similar CNC project for milling steel. I'd like to use RP for X and Y axis and ballscrew for Z axis. Any suggestions @FloweringElbow4SuperNerds ? Would this make the CNC not accurate and rigid enough to mill steel?
@@Zorwan Hi, I have had to put this project on hold for the moment but I will be using ballscrews. The research I found said with rack you are going to get around 0.10MM play which is totally unacceptable for what I want which includes machining steel. My machine will end up with a cutting area of 2400 X 1200 X 400 and I will be using 3210 fixed ballscrews on X & Y with rotating nuts like FlowingEldow ended up doing.
@@XXXXIndices Hi there and thank you for responding! What would you use for your Z-axis? Also what motors (type and size) for each axis? (I'm thinking of Servo 34)
That other cnc machine you built was huge 👍
So you did all this work to use them with WD40?
WD40 was just for cleaning. They need oil or grease for regular lubrication.
Pay attention when using shopvac: do not leave paper or wood chips/dust inside the collection bin. It can catch fire if you are extracting hot sparks and it will do it pretty quickly because of the fast airflow! Maybe fitting a wet sponge on the dust port can help to stop some flaming sparks to get into the bin, but always clean and check if your filter is not melting/burning too.
Just try to guess how I did learn it. Didn't believe manual/warning sign on my belt grinder. Hooked to my shopvac and a fire started in no time inside my dust bin. Scary.
I have a question about this. Since there are limitations with the top speed of the shaft rotating when very long, and there are also limitations with how fast you can spin the ball nut. What if motion happened by rotation the shaft at some arbitrary rpm and then you also rotate the ball nut? So speed would then be multiplicative.
Yes it is possible, but very complicated. The relative speed is the important limitation (how fast the ball bearings in the nut are moving round their helical path against the screw...
how is that running? i heard from an weapon freak, that WD 40 is the root cause of many western mechanical problems.... and i suppose, that this might have killed my bicycle ballbearings. i am not shure though.....
I guess, the magic word is deflection here. if you have a body that long unsupported, it will hang through. and steel is rather one of the stffer materials already. though its also heavy. there are plenty of people who turn to rack and pinion solutions therefore. I have no idea if that threatens steel cutting procedures then, but cutting steel with a cnc that size does not really sound approachable and reasonable anyway. maybe at the front and the end of the screw. but in the middle...? even 12080 aluminium bars have a deflection in milimeter rangee only after 1 m. so rack and pinion is not so gravity dependent. and pulling the screw.... i do not know how. propably some freaks do that. but that needs forces actiing constantly.....
Hi there just wondering if you have an email or if you would do a short whats app, I am based in Ireland, I am currently speaking with bstlinear about some ball screws and linear rails would lie to get your opinion and advise.
Might be too late now sorry, but yeah, drop me an email. Go to the 'about page' of this channel to find the address.
call me crazy, but what about a combination of both? nut rotating twice the speed of screw makes for a 10mm pitch. much faster rapids. conversely, driving it at half speed gives 2.5 or something. higher resolution. may need some fancy software to morph between high resolution to coarse as it feeds and rapids... then again, its just differentials... easy to mentally picture, hard to write as an equation... :D
make a water curtain that you can place anywhere sparks or sus go. Use a fish tank water pump, and have a 50x30cm back drop, have the spray bar on top too creat a “mobile water curtain”
Great stuff!😁 I'm considering a rotating ball nut design on a 1.5m long axis to avoid screw whip. One thing I can't figure out is how to lubricate the nut; as it's spinning I can't just add a lubrication line! How are you doing this on your build?
A the moment I use the oil nipple port on the ballnut when its stationary. That or I just put some oil on the ball screw itself. Crude, yes, but it works.
@@FloweringElbow4SuperNerds Thank you! That's pretty much what I'm doing with my current router; built before I knew about building in lubrication systems...!😁
That’s really clever…it never dawned on me that a mill could be used as a surface grinder! I’ve been lusting after a surface grinder for some time and weighing up the options. They’re bloody expensive to buy new so I’ve been looking at DIY options…the conclusion I came to is that I don’t have the skill or right equipment to make something anywhere near as accurate as a ready made one. This however is achievable. Thank you 😊🙏
Beautiful work my friend.
Thank you so much 😀
Paper towels leave tiny flakes of paper everywhere. Recommend microfiber wipes
That ballnut seemed to contain far fewer balls than I've seen in other nuts, though admittedly my experience is limited to little more than repacking the one I accidentally messed up installing on its screw.
Was the ballnut originally designed to be driven or did you modify it? If you did, then how did you affix the gear teeth?
I built a shaft that holds the pully. You should be able to see in the vid...
I was always told the dti gauge plunger should be perpendicular to the workpiece for an accurate reading - something to do with Pythagoras ??
Please tell me how strong your nema motors on your x y and z are? Are they 3 nm or less?
Hi there, they are 400W AC servo motors.
Very impressive!
Thank you! Cheers!
Hello Dear Friend, we are original ball screw factory, can we have chance to cooperate? Thanks.
Hi there Chenhao Qian, sure, how can I help? A better way to contact me for this kind of thing might be by e-mail - you can find this in the 'about' section of our channel page. :)
i wish i have a neighbour like you to work with.
WD 40 is not (!) an lubricant. It removes the grease from the bearing balls. Better you use an hydraulic oil. A good grease is dumping the klicks from flipping the bearing balls into an other direction.
Correct. Here we only use it to 'clean' not to lubricate...
Very good point! When I worked in shipping a pallet jack/fork lift serviceman told me that WD-40 was probably responsible for 20% of there service calls. If I hadn't mentioned that the new guy I had hired had been spraying pallet jacks with WD until I threatened to can him, I doubt he would have brought it up even though it was the obvious cause. It will stop the squeaks in the bearings and clean out the old grease, sure. They will roll alot easier than before, for about 3 days. Then the bearings are trashed.
Very good point! When I worked in shipping a pallet jack/fork lift serviceman told me that WD-40 was probably responsible for 20% of there service calls. If I hadn't mentioned that the new guy I had hired had been spraying pallet jacks with WD until I threatened to can him, I doubt he would have brought it up even though it was the obvious cause. It will stop the squeaks in the bearings and clean out the old grease, sure. They will roll alot easier than before, for about 3 days. Then the bearings are trashed.
Very good point! When I worked in shipping a pallet jack/fork lift serviceman told me that WD-40 was probably responsible for 20% of there service calls. If I hadn't mentioned that the new guy I had hired had been spraying pallet jacks with WD until I threatened to can him, I doubt he would have brought it up even though it was the obvious cause. It will stop the squeaks in the bearings and clean out the old grease, sure. They will roll alot easier than before, for about 3 days. Then the bearings are trashed.
Very good point! When I worked in shipping a pallet jack/fork lift serviceman told me that WD-40 was probably responsible for 20% of there service calls. If I hadn't mentioned that the new guy I had hired had been spraying pallet jacks with WD until I threatened to can him, I doubt he would have brought it up even though it was the obvious cause. It will stop the squeaks in the bearings and clean out the old grease, sure. They will roll alot easier than before, for about 3 days. Then the bearings are trashed.
Hi friend... I don't know if you read these comments... I actually enjoyed your build.... although, I am a designer, and I want to put this into CAD... specifically SolidWorks V2022. And I have a few changes I want to make. I would enjoy to benefit from some of your experience... such as what size your ball screw is, and where you got your parts. What size Servo Motors, and where did you get your controllers and other electronics. I am a mechanical designer, not an electronics guy. That is why I am asking for such information. I hope you can help me. Have you put together a materials list and where to get the materials? Also some tips about setting up and software you are using for your setup. I do have access to CNC Mill, and a nice lathe and surface grinder and other equipment so I can do this project. So... if you would be inclined to assist me I would really appreciate it. If your willing to assist me... I am willing to provide you with my designs, and also the plans I make. P.S. setting up the electronics is going to be an issue for me. I can put together components to build computers... so I do have some experience with playing with electronics. But I have never worked with controllers and servos. I can be reached at... I am Leslieallen inventorshaven@proton.me Please contact me. Friend... if you have Signal Messenger it would be a big help, that way we can easily communicate using video or messaging. I prefer video actually. Anyway, write to us if your willing. Thank you. I will post this on each of your pages... so hopefully you will see it.
Hi friend... I don't know if you read these comments... I actually enjoyed your build.... although, I am a designer, and I want to put this into CAD... specifically SolidWorks V2022. And I have a few changes I want to make. I would enjoy to benefit from some of your experience... such as what size your ball screw is, and where you got your parts. What size Servo Motors, and where did you get your controllers and other electronics. I am a mechanical designer, not an electronics guy. That is why I am asking for such information. I hope you can help me. Have you put together a materials list and where to get the materials? Also some tips about setting up and software you are using for your setup. I do have access to CNC Mill, and a nice lathe and surface grinder and other equipment so I can do this project. So... if you would be inclined to assist me I would really appreciate it. If your willing to assist me... I am willing to provide you with my designs, and also the plans I make. P.S. setting up the electronics is going to be an issue for me. I can put together components to build computers... so I do have some experience with playing with electronics. But I have never worked with controllers and servos. I can be reached at... I am Leslieallen inventorshaven@proton.me Please contact me. Friend... if you have Signal Messenger it would be a big help, that way we can easily communicate using video or messaging. I prefer video actually. Anyway, write to us if your willing. Thank you. I will post this on each of your pages... so hopefully you will see it.
Hi friend... I don't know if you read these comments... I actually enjoyed your build.... although, I am a designer, and I want to put this into CAD... specifically SolidWorks V2022. And I have a few changes I want to make. I would enjoy to benefit from some of your experience... such as what size your ball screw is, and where you got your parts. What size Servo Motors, and where did you get your controllers and other electronics. I am a mechanical designer, not an electronics guy. That is why I am asking for such information. I hope you can help me. Have you put together a materials list and where to get the materials? Also some tips about setting up and software you are using for your setup. I do have access to CNC Mill, and a nice lathe and surface grinder and other equipment so I can do this project. So... if you would be inclined to assist me I would really appreciate it. If your willing to assist me... I am willing to provide you with my designs, and also the plans I make. P.S. setting up the electronics is going to be an issue for me. I can put together components to build computers... so I do have some experience with playing with electronics. But I have never worked with controllers and servos. I can be reached at... I am Leslieallen inventorshaven@proton.me Please contact me. Friend... if you have Signal Messenger it would be a big help, that way we can easily communicate using video or messaging. I prefer video actually. Anyway, write to us if your willing. Thank you. I will post this on each of your pages... so hopefully you will see it.
Hi friend... I don't know if you read these comments... I actually enjoyed your build.... although, I am a designer, and I want to put this into CAD... specifically SolidWorks V2022. And I have a few changes I want to make. I would enjoy to benefit from some of your experience... such as what size your ball screw is, and where you got your parts. What size Servo Motors, and where did you get your controllers and other electronics. I am a mechanical designer, not an electronics guy. That is why I am asking for such information. I hope you can help me. Have you put together a materials list and where to get the materials? Also some tips about setting up and software you are using for your setup. I do have access to CNC Mill, and a nice lathe and surface grinder and other equipment so I can do this project. So... if you would be inclined to assist me I would really appreciate it. If your willing to assist me... I am willing to provide you with my designs, and also the plans I make. P.S. setting up the electronics is going to be an issue for me. I can put together components to build computers... so I do have some experience with playing with electronics. But I have never worked with controllers and servos. I can be reached at... I am Leslieallen inventorshaven@proton.me Please contact me. Friend... if you have Signal Messenger it would be a big help, that way we can easily communicate using video or messaging. I prefer video actually. Anyway, write to us if your willing. Thank you. I will post this on each of your pages... so hopefully you will see it.
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Hey Joas, thanks for watching - coming soon...
Hi can anyone tell me if is possible to have a play in the nut if I rotate the screw manually not one full turn just a little bit let's say 20 percent and the nut won't move is that normal ?and what could be the cause tnx
This is sketch on sooo many levels. But hey, you do wear a dust mask so 👍
Suïcide machine. That disc shatters and it will send sharp fragments across the room with high kinetic energy.
Kindly show me how to fix Ball screw, any loosing screw may slip and server motor will move to wrong position. i need to learn about it