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Step 1 : Deprogram your mind from all the nonsense that the Mainstream Media implanted into it.

Thank you. I appreciated so much of this conversation. And - Trump is so much more than a “clown”. He is a rapist and adulterer who sanctions violence and children being ripped out of their mother’s arms. I just find the trite framing of Trump’s character and the suggestion that his tactics be modeled rather short sighted.

The uniformed group think is clearly coming from the democrats when Drone-bomb-yah gets on stage and lies to everyone about "fine people". The regressive mode is clearly there in the democrats when they attack the first and second ammendment, call the constitution dangerous and pass directives where the DOD can use lethal force against american citizens.

Thank you both for this.

From listening to what Trump has been saying since his win it seems like he’s going to be a snub to the excesses of an unhealthy form of postmodernism and will be bringing back some aspects of healthy modernism and traditionalism

I imagine some of the left leaning metamodernists have been taking it hard?

After all this brilliant commentary, you think RFK jr might be good for health?? I’m dumbfounded. Dude doesn’t think hiv causes aids, vax=autism, chemtrails… he’d be absolutely disastrous in charge of health anything. His take on soil health seems good on the surface but he’s proposed no policy and I can’t imagine it would be scientifically sound. I.e. synthetic pesticides are designed for more specific targeting and organic ones are just broad and kill more. Soil health is about diversity. There’s no bill he could pass that would get modern ag anywhere near a permaculture type situation. RFK is the reason I finally decided to vote, against him, more than Trump.

Kamala went on the Podcast "Call Her Daddy" and we are expected to take her seriously? Way to lower the bar. This is a podcast with blowjob advice mind you; that advocates manipulating men via sex to gain power in the relationship so you can be the "Daddy" hence the name. Nuff' said.

Dempsey seems want to go meta and above and beyond from the get go instead of really sharing how the result lands for him. "Go in and down before you go up and out" is instructive if you want to muster some capacity to have a multiperspectival exploration. You're not doing anyone a service by not being transparent and direct in putting your interiors on the table.

Would this conversation have taken place if Kamala had won? If so, what would the talking points have been? And if not, how come?

Heres a metamodern insight-response: I see the dark shaman archetype occuring in the counter-enlightenment lineage borne of the early german romantic philosophers that give you figures like Rousseau and Lord Byron (the latter endorsed Napoleon). Aesthetically, they were the proto-lulz see-the-world-burn trolls of young disaffected men -- you can hear the romantic narcissistic punk in Listz and Beethoven carrying through to hyperpop and Floridian soft power

Basically we need Jack Black to read more integral books and step up.

You guys are pissing away compassion when trying to understand Trump voters. There's nothing to understand. You are talking about pure tribalistic values, often fed by misinformation and lies. Trump's supporters are going to have to learn through experience what they could have learned from wisdom.

Brendan & Layman... I follow you both and have great appreciation and respect. This was an interesting and meaningful conversation and I agree with much of what you offered. But I do wish you could sit down at the dinner table with some working class and working poor families (i.e., Trump supporters) and talk with them. I think this would further nuance and nourish your views. I am from that background and I know these people well and while I am not a Trump supporter, I understand how working people feel and why they vote the way they do. They have value and need to be heard. They are not just beasts of burden for the privileged elites to ride on. Thank you for all you do... keep up the good work.

So many unnecessary and biased insults against hundreds of millions of people in what is an otherwise very productive conversation. Do Layman and Brendan really think the American Right is so ignorant? I am here for opinions but not reductionism and insult. People are people.

Sadly, Jordan is no longer holding the line on this one. Maybe see about editing that out. 🤔 @ 24.09

Consider that the current political termoil is a consequence of the breakdown of the post-war mythos as a unifying, or binding, force. All societies are bound by meta-archetypes involving eschatological prophecies, that which will bring about the end of a society, or the world even in a globalist paradigm. Christian cultures have a millennium long inheritance, which has eugenically shaped said cultures, binding them in opposition to the Devil and in worship of God, the interaction with whom manifests through the individual and collective unconscious, made conscious through action and reflection. There is literature on "WEIRD" - western, educated, industrialised, rich and democratic, which Europeans express and other cultures do not which essentially produces our shared moral foundations and binds us to feel guilt when 'sins' are committed - as a consequence of the eugenic effects of Christianity. Confucianism in Asia also had lasting effects but manifests around the axis of shame rather than guilt, leading to the manifestation of "saving face" for both oneself and ones family, up to and including the social credit score phenomena. I am currently considering deep diving into the anthropological literature - which is both scarce and bias - to garner insight into the eugenic impacts of Islam and Hinduism, if I was to guess the later would be related to its namesake, submission, which supports their retention of absolute monarchies or clerical autocracies, while Hinduism leans towards a chaotic form of multiplurism which functions to manifest a sort of balance by taking advantage of said chaos to decentralise authority. It's also interesting to observe the rapid growth of Christianity in Africa, the dalit caste of Indians and in rural areas of Asia, where practices such as ancestor veneration, panpsychist doctrines and demonology are retained while centering a personal and communal relation with Christ and His word as the living logos in order to untangle and bring light to their collective unconscious. In the post-[WW2]-mythos there was a materialist dialectical competition to replace the Devil with the worldly figures of Hitler and Stalin. During the cold war these perspectives roughly cancelled each other out and justified the creation of an American Empire to remove national leaders whom displayed qualities of said figures in a way that resonated with the administrative state and American public. The end of the cold-war shifted this informal balance such that Hitler became the undisputed Devil of the post-war mythos thereby binding the collective unconscious around the belief that he would return, much like the anti-Christ. This mythic structure, absent a unifying commitment to the logos, Christ, within academia, the administrative state and collective unconscious more broadly became the default force which bound them. Thus the presence of sin - racism, intesex solidarity, bigotry etc - were presupposed to exist, for example within the framework of critical theory, replacing the concept of original sin and turning these institutions by default into a kind of self-perpetuating global managerial clergy. Trump's role serves to challenge this clergy as he comes from a place of "classical Americana" - he doesn't directly reject the post-war mythos, rather he represents a return to nationhood instead of empire, receiving large support from those who do not or no longer resonate with the post-war myths proscriptions for society, namely an endless crusade against the ghost of Hitler, instead returning to a pre-war Christian framework of sin which is to be confronted by every individual located in their own heart, including those from "marginalised" groups whose abject anti-whitism and misandry are given a pass by dogmatic forms of liberation theology and critical theory.

Enlightenment gap as products for privileged people perhaps is coal miner company store dance. The not-strange as elonGates hyperobject, Jef/Xi version 2.718 as new store? With the strange as the fitting to that.

Biden's handing over the baton impressed me. Thanks for the show.

An almost 1 1/2-hour chat was brilliant from start to finish. Layman's Sharman perspective on reality is one of the most profound insights I have heard this year !

Yall are on fire

The adaptive sensibility to multipolar traps/Molochean situations selects for dark triad traits. But it is ultimately maladaptive to adapt to Moloch as a ground.

So far a good analysis that main stream media doesnt get.

The JLO endorsement was so tone def by Kamala's clan that even my mother was like "WTF". "JLO has Diddy stink on her" as one reddit wrote.

Green Trump. That's one hell of a mythic summoning.

This is great. Thanks. I was thinking… maybe voters have grown weary of all the abstract fears the liberal media throws at them. Like ‘the end of democracy’, fascism, climate change, and imminent civilizational collapse- none of which seem to materialize. And all this on the heels of 4 yrs of fighting the enemy that was Covid-which turned out to be ‘no big deal’ (for those who didn't die). The democrats are constantly warning of conceptual enemies lurking in the shadows. Hundreds of ‘em.! Trump concretizes the enemy. Cat-consuming immigrants. And there’s a ready solution to that problem. Apprehend and deport.

This is the calming metamodern influence I needed.

If Trump succeeds in decentralizing power so that our overbearing government bureaucrats leave us alone, then it will either not affect you at all or affect you positively. So, cheer up.

Rarely have we had as accurate a sanity check as this election provided. Did you have a horse in this race, were you deeply invested in which horse would win? If so, no matter the horse, you've lost your mind, your contact with reality. Neither horse was even remotely worthy of your time and attention, much less your allegiance. Shall we call this new clarity, this restoration of sanity, metamodern politics?

Oh my goodness; I am amazed! 😂 The sheer patience of Brendon with all those who completely missed his entire stance on the matter. 🤦🏼‍♂️

Wonderful, just bought one of her books.

I have been searching for exactly this for years. This is incredible. Also surprised to hear an Idles reference here.

The idea of a forward looking perspective of Christianity and of any religion, is really intriguing and opening new pathways of possibility. Thank you Aviv and Brendan for this fascinating conversation and for introducing the idea that we can be participatory in the evolution of the sacred. How do we update the religious causative connections, the sacred values and deeply humanistic and ecumenical ethics of Christianity, in a way that is relevant in addressing and healing daily challenges of modern living, without being divergent to the core alignments and principles of a true "in-Christ" revelatory communion and way of living?

Any plans for an audio book, e-text, etc?

Really appreciate Layman's wording in the "Intgegrating Pluralities" chapter @20:04.

Progress is not linear.

S L. O. W. down. Impossible to watch this. It's like a speeded up video edit.

Trivia: Aristarch was the heliocentric worldview one, at least the one you'd generally get referenced if we need to name someone. (With the fragmentary sources extant, who can even say who was first anyway?)

This evening I discovered your work, Brendan, and it's been shocking. About ten years ago I read Mitchell Heisman's suicide note, a two-thousand-page book he had written about meaning and history, and one of the early chapters utterly transformed my understanding of God. It changed me from a nihilist atheist to a messianic singularitarian, and since then I've developed an idiosyncratic understanding of humanity's spiritual place in the universe. Discovering your work that seems to so closely parallel these ideas (but far more articulately and authoritatively) gives me a sense that we really are at the crest of a transformation in human values, maybe the transvaluation of all values that Nietzsche hoped for. I am very excited to have found you.

Hey Brendan, really appreciated this framework and your engagement with Fowler AND McLaren! Where does Brian express his framework? Is it in a book, podcast or paper?

I am confused of youre idea of an emergentist account of conscioussness when you have previously expressed what appears the spirtual knowledge of awareness. Awareness is BEING, it is aware if ITSELF by BEING itself. The universe is BEING. "Objects" are mental constructs that we apply onto a whole of being, and perhaps thet are relational or process phenomena that dont really exist in themselves the way we experience or imagine them to at all, but either way there is just being knowing itself and these divisions are categories we impose. Yes we are localizations of awareness but it is not human beings who have awareness, only awareness itself is aware. we arent isolated isalnds but one whole looking at itself from different points of view. What does that mean about what a rock knows or experiences if anything I have no idea other than BEING must & most certainly applies to all the things we see... emergentism is an idea that thinks matter is fundammetal and conscioussness somehow emerges from it, which is silly to entertain when you know the nature of self & reality through the fundamental ground of Being, pure awareness/being/will itself. I dont have all the answers but this I cannot doubt & I am fine to keep it in the realm of "spiritual" in regular or scientific discussions because its obviousky not observable except through direct experience. But I certainly wont take scientists who are unaware of their true nature & scoff at ideas about conscioussness not emerging from matter to effect me personally & make me question what I know to be the Truth, they can think it is silly & stupid & naive but it is the only thing we can truly know. Experience is simply awareness Knowing itself by being itself & that the universe as an expression of Gods Being. Knowing and Being are One.

One of the greatest put-downs of all time was Kierkegaard's offhand comment to the effect that Hegel built a castle in his mind but lived, like the rest of us, in the shack next door. God how I miss the old existentialist thinkers, now replaced by young internet intellectuals playing the mind games of analytic philosophy.

Thank you so much for this conversation, both of you. I am tearing up. I am feeling something aligning with my own story and walk with and towards Christ. You are not alone, dear brothers. Thank you. ❤️

Your conversations with Storm have been fantastic! Hope to see him on the pod again, latest when his book comes out. Thanks!

A fascinating conversation thank you. Post mortem survival touched on but issue of rebirth skirted. According to Tibetan Buddhism most souls cannot manage to remain on that imaginal level and attachment causes them to reach for another physical body. I'm guessing this might actually be covered in the book. But overall a stimulating addition to the conversation I was looking for a meta modern who unlike Vervaeke etc does not see emergence as meaning dependence on the physical level...

22:39 thank god.

I like the bit at the end tying in the cultural trajectories to politics, specifically coherent meta models of progress. They way I think of it is, The current state of neo conservativism is NEOLIBERALLY conserving neoliberalism and conservatism. There's no "meta right" technically, but is all included and transended in a more Radical Alt transcentrist meta auth left.

very fun

Man, I love this conversation! I learn so much whenever I hear y’all riff with each other. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I can’t wait for part II of this. I totally feel your nervousness about “going back,” and often bump up against those pathologies in my own community, but I wonder if there is a way to truly transcend modernity and postmodernity without integrating some of those more fundamental levels/stages that are triggering. I like the way you offered a possible integration of the literal and historical through the esoteric ‘level.’ Perhaps the historical, literal, allegorical, archetypal and esoteric form their own spiral of development.