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In reply to Mr. Christian, our God of heaven cannot put only women in a village without men. Thank you.

God Bless you for telling the Bible truth.

Dear Brother Ingo, many thanks, but I know one more argument and would be happy to read your comments: EGW was considered as ordained elder all her life (or something like that)... Thanks in advance.

Did Eve usurp Adams authority in the Garden of Eden? Yes, they were a team but Adam was created first and Eve was given as a help mate.

respect to brother Ingo

You mentioned a lot of scripture what about 1 Corinthians 14: 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. This is quite clear, in fact Paul states that women should not even speak in the church let alone be in positions of leadership over a man in the role of minister or Elder, Deacon etc. What do you make of this? Is this scripture not the word of God spoken through the man Paul? Every time I hear someone in opposition to the clear text I think of this phrase "God will not hold him blameless who takes liberties with His words"

“To stand in defense of truth and righteousness when the majority forsake us, to fight the battles of the Lord when champions are few-this will be our test.” Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5 p. 136.2.

Where in scripture does God say that a woman cannot be his spokesperson. Deborah was a prophet for God and she led the people of God spiritually. God gave directions through her. Was she not their Pastor. The words of Paul did not come from God in regards to women in leadership. I say this again show me in scripture where God prohibits a woman from preaching. Man cannot limit who God chooses to speak thru.

Very well said

In the qualifications given for "bishops" (i.e., pastors, elders, shepherds), Paul twice says they must be "the husband of one wife" (1 Tim. 3:2; Titus 1:6). Unless you are willing to accept two lesbians living together and call it a "marriage," there is no way for a woman to be "the husband of one wife."

Jeremiah 44:15-30 King James Version 15 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying, 16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. 17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. 18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. 19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men? 20 Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying, 21 The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the Lord remember them, and came it not into his mind? 22 So that the Lord could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.

Doing the Will of Almighty God, is more important than anything you will think about, When we Stand 🧍‍♂️ be🧍‍♀️before Almighty God and give accountable of our life , what will we tell Him, the Church ⛪ cannot make any one Holy, that is a life we have to live before Him,

Most Germans care less about what Ellen G White Represents or has written. Women Ordination is a matter of payment equality! If not stop employing Women as Bible Workers! It is just a common Sense issue. For no Bible Text tells us that Women cannot be Church leaders!

he studied women's ordination in the Bible? Good luck with that. Why he is defending something it was copied from another denomination? Why Pr Sorke rejected the divinity of Jesus?

Ďo we know what (práying) for ppl entails?? Ok its leting ppl know where they are going wróng simple

This kind of logic sounds an awful lot like racist logic. “Separate but equal.” Why is it we would never tolerate racism from the pulpit but we welcome sexism?

1st speaker 3:23 LuAnna 2nd speaker 9:10 Gary 3rd speaker 13:14 Theresa 4th speaket 20:01 Belinda 5th speaket 25:31 Barbara 6th speaket 32:54 James 7th speaket 39:07 Randy 8th speaker 50:31 Rob 9th speaker 57:30 Judith

We have hidden behind being charitable for far too long! Sure it is great to be charitable and necessary for sure, but the time has come to call it as it is. It's compromise and capitulation to the ecumenical spirit of the age. We need to call Andrews to REPENTANCE and a return to the path of rectitude. The future of our Church depends on it!

Thank God for the women who really stand up against this issue.

Hello pastor Don. Thanks for the good analysis on women ordination. Where can we find that document you were reading through?

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God. where is the error in this passage, If it is Wrong for the man to be the head of the women, then the rest of this verse is also wrong.

Do prophets get ordained? Was Pual ordained? Was there any mention of the actual action of someone being ordained anywhere in the bible? Please provide actual scripture. Because I follow the Word of God; not man's interpretation of the Word. Because I've read the whole bible front to back and I've never came across that.

JESUS WARNS THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS Three years ago the Lord Jesus said, "Go to the phone book and call Adventist churches" because He said no one was reaching out to them. I then said, they're good people. Then He said, they believe lies. My response was that they say that God answers prayer on their television and radio programs. He said, they deceive themselves. It seems that they are convinced Ellen White was a prophet and that her claims are true. People have placed her words above Scripture. False doctrines are lies and you know that heresy is a work of the flesh as declared in Galatians chapter 5. Heretics do not inherit the kingdom of God. So this is a serious matter. I became familiar with the Adventists starting in 1974 when a colporteur came to the door. He said things like, do we keep nine commandments or all ten? I was unprepared for a debate, but I never once was convicted for not going to church on Saturday. Adventists believe the Sabbath(going to church on Saturday) is binding from Ellen White because the Lord Jesus did not command it. The rich young ruler asked what he must do to inherit eternal life. The Lord mentioned the commandments of which the Sabbath is excluded. Of course Ellen White didn't think so. The Sabbath is not the heart of the moral law. Love is the heart of it: "Love worketh no ill to his neighbor, therefore love is THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW (Romans 13:10)." The two great commandments also demonstrate this fact. The Sabbath commandment is nowhere quoted in the New Testament. The sabbatarians wanted to kill Jesus. In Acts they stoned Paul. Sabbath keeping did nothing for them. It was for the Old Testament Jews and is not part of the gospel. Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, greater than Moses who mediated the Old Covenant as noted in Hebrews. Jesus is the reality of things foreshadowed in the Old Testament, of which the Sabbath day was one as Collossians 2:16, 17 declares: "the Sabbath was a shadow and Christ is the substance." This fact is clearly demonstrated in the book of Numbers 28:9, 10 where two lambs were offered on the Sabbath day which looked forward to the sacrifice of Christ. The Old Testament sacrifices, the priesthood and the Sabbath were abolished and Jesus became our rest. As Lord of rest, we just follow him.. He is "the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him(Hebrews 5:9)." We are to rest in His merits for we "are complete in him(Collossians2:10)" and "...By grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works...(Ephesians 2:8-10)." Therefore, the rest of faith in Hebrews 4 is not the Sabbath day. It is exactly that - a rest of FAITH, not a day of the week. Judaizers are accursed for pulling Christians back into the Old Testament obsolete Jewish system(see Galatians 1:6-9). His sheep hear his voice and a stranger they will not follow(John 10). Paul went into the synagogues on the Sabbath in the book of Acts to preach to the Jews and their gentile converts as noted in Acts 13. The unbelieving Jews persecuted the apostles, therefore these were not believer's meetings, nor was the apostle Paul keeping the Sabbath. On the contrary, the believers met on the first day of the week - the day of the resurrection as seen in 1 Corinthians 16:2 and Acts 20:7. Therefore, going to church on the first day of the week is not taking the mark of the beast. Christians were meeting on that day long before the papacy came around to falsely claim they changed the Sabbath day. Furthermore, Catholics can meet for church on Saturday as well as Sunday. Ellen White invented the idea that Sunday church attendance is taking the mark of the beast, therefore it is dangerous to trust your eternal destiny on her "revelations." It looks like the mark of the beast is going to be a digital tattoo or a microchip implant. Adventists looking for Sunday laws or believe in a Sunday mark will doom themselves should they take the real mark. Soul sleeping is a false doctrine. Jesus "brought life and immortality to light through the gospel(2 Tim. 1:10)." Therefore there's life immediately after death in which consciousness survives death. Jesus said that believers are passed from death unto life. Eternal life begins now in this life upon experiencing the new birth. New Testament examples are: When Jesus was transfigured before Peter, James and John, "there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him(Matthew 17:3)." The rich man and Lazarus were alive after death. Jesus said that the believing thief on the cross would go to paradise the day he died. Stephen the first martyr when about to die said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit(Acts 7:59)." Hebrews 12:22-24 tells us who are in heaven, including the spirits of just men made perfect, that is, the disembodied believers from earth. This is also taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:14: "...them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him." According to 2 Corinthians 5:6-9, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Therefore, Jesus is coming with his saints and for his saints. Since there is no soul sleeping in Christ, the bodies of believers will be resurrected at the coming of the Lord. Furthermore, in the book of Revelation there are 24 elders seen in heaven as well as other men as noted in chapter 15 verse 8. Concerning the no meat eating doctrine: It is "giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils forbidding to abstain from meats. (1Timothy 4:1,3)". The early church Christians were told regarding food to "abstain from things strangled and from blood(Acts 15:20)."Jesus said, "Eat what's set before you, and it's not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, but what's in the heart." The Mosaic dietary laws were not brought forward into the New Testament. Jesus taught an endless hell "where the fire is not quenched and the worm dieth not", but Ellen White taught annihilation or no hell instead. Consciousness survives death. It's safe to only follow the Lord...His sheep "know his voice and a stranger they will not follow(John 10:4, 5)." The investigative judgment is nowhere taught in scripture. She made it up after the Second Coming did not take place in 1843. This is another made up heresy invented by Ellen White. The U.S. in prophecy is the great eagle in Revelation 12:14, not the second beast of Revelation chapter13. According to someone's testimony, they saw in hell the prophetess Ellen White in hell. Jesus said she is in this place for inventing heresies. She prophesied lies and still had connections with the satanists who helped [her] ministry grow. She also taught [her] members to keep the Sabbath stepping on My grace. Whoever wants to live in the law will have to never sinned. Whoever chooses to live in the law will have to save himself from it without committing any sin like Me. All the sects that reject My grace stare down the contract of the New Covenant. Whoever lives in the contract of the Old Covenant will be cursed and go to hell. Jesus said, "This woman Ellen White lied saying, 'There is no hell.' " She taught people hell does not exist, but when she died she landed in hell. Now she is in it and I saw how the demons tormented that woman. The more souls went down to hell because of her teaching, the more she was tormented. From the foundation of her sect until now, millions of souls are now coming to hell. Jesus said,"Testify most of its souls may come to salvation and ascend into heaven."

“Put a rope around the neck of the horse and lead it back to the stable” is not the best analogy .... kinda spoiled your argument, sir

I argee with Male elders and pastors. But don't understand sda stance when major teachings they subscribe to is from a woman who calls herself a prophetess.

Really youtube? Why was this crap in my recommendations?

Just remember that SDA don't follow bible either 100%, only some things. EGW failed test of prophet in Deuteronomy 18 20-22 and also created another gospel called spirit of prophecy forbidden in Deuteronomy 13 1-4, Yeshua is the spirit of prophecy! My Messiah doesn't give fake messages to people and then we try to justify them away. EGW didn't test her spirit guides to see where they came from either. The commentaries are just that, another gospel. There is Midrashic interpretation of prophecy also. Come on folks, bible only. You are no different than Mormons, JW, RC etc. You don't create your own bible society to back up your own message! SDA have their own bibles now also, the clear word according to EGW. There is a word for that, it's called idolatry! Jews, Messianics, JW and church of God 7th Day don't buy into Trinity why do you buy into a pagan doctrine from Rome!

A three person 'God' is not biblical but there you go.. A little leaven makes the whole rotten mess ferment.

Pure sexism

others may say, our time is different, our needs are different, our social environment is different from the OT times.... Look back again to their time, their condition is worst than our time when it comes to proportion of priests to the estimated 4 million Israelites, yet God not even give them the hint to have woman priest. Is the truth can be influenced by time and scenario? Remember, we are claiming we are remnant, we have to uphold on what is original.

Our worship and regulations are based on the sanctuary. Not even a hint was mentioned regarding woman priest. Yet in pagan and ritual worship, women are the priestesses... Now we can determine the difference, though we are not PhD in theology.

“If there were twenty women where now there is one, who would make this holy mission (one-to-one ministry) their cherished work, we should see many more converted to the truth. The refining, softening influence of Christian women is needed in the great work of preaching the truth.” -Evangelism 471. “There are many . . . offices connected with the cause of God which our sisters are better qualified to fill than our brethren, and in which they might do efficient service.” -Welfare Ministry 147.

Then in your Thinking, you shoul do read: 1. Corinth 14, 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. ..... Then this women on this video should not speak. :) Then every women in der Church should be silent, no childrenprogramm, no word in the church, women stand up an do it so, than we will see how is it with out you in the Church... poor man...... :)

ua-cam.com/video/FTqloG41qeg/v-deo.html If this link doesn't make you think twice about women's ordination I don't know what will. Pray with humility and if you aren't humble pray FOR humility.

Here's another text. Isaiah 3:12

Thanks for your message Ingo. I live in Nz and this issue is raging still in our local church, and country wide. A straight testimony will bring about the shaking quote. We recently had a straight testimony on the priesthood of men !!!!It sure has shaken the church. As for me I am no feminist ,but as you pointed out that is a straw argument. As a church we claim that the sanctuary is the pattern of heavenly things. Nowhere in the sanctuary can I find a hint of ordination of women. Does that mean no ministry for women ? Of course not !!! There is a chain of authority even in the priesthood. Not all priests were allowed in the holiest of all . Even Jesus humbled Himself under The Father. Much Christian love Pat (Mrs)

A CROSS EYED BRIDE OF CHRIST? GOD made man (Adam) in 'HIS' own image. Male a female created 'HE' them. If you look in the mirror you will see that you have two eyes and two hands. One eye is your dominant eye and one hand is your dominant hand but you will also notice that you have only one head on your body. GOD is the head of Christ ('GOD's only begotten Son) and when a man and woman are joined and become one (one unit or one body) the body or unit can have only one head, one dominant right hand, one dominant right eye with one ♥, one 👄, one 😜, and one mind leading the body just as the head of 'GOD's church is Christ (GOD's only begotten Son) and the head of the family is the man. In heaven Lucifer was third in command directly below, behind and beneath Christ (GOD's only begotten Son) who was directly below, behind and beneath his FATHER (THE ONLY TRUE GOD). Lucifer was not content with his position of authority. He wanted to exalt himself by two positions and sit on GOD's throne and rule over everyone (be like the Most High). That was a DISASTER for everyone. Now 👭 👭 women want to rule over 👬 👬 men. Another disaster in the making. One sda Conference has a stated goal of replacing 1,000 SDA male pastors with 1,000 female pastors trained in the art of 'spiritual formation', the art of empting the mind so that the spirits can come in and take control and the same SDA Conference has a new stated policy of assimilating LGBT's into both leadership and membership positions and I think the spirits have already taken control!!! GOD gave Christ the authority over HIS (GOD's) church and the church of GOD is 'NOT' the church of Christ (that is like calling GOD'S TEMPLE-SOLOMON'S TEMPLE). Putting women in charge of 'GOD's' church is akin to putting Lucifer on 'GOD's' THRONE!!!

Wow, two white men saying that women shouldn’t be ordained, that’s a surprise.

Women can do what ever they want to and be what ever they want to be! If God says don't eat of the forbidden 🌲, the woman will eat of it, nobody is going to tell her what not to do! She will also feed it to almost any man and he will eat of it too! That just shows how much power women have over men! Women have the ability to laugh at God, lie to God, tell their husbands to do something and he will do it! Then she will change her mind and she will tell her husband to get rid of that woman and his own son and he will ask God, 'what should I do?' and God will tells Abram, 'do what the one who wears the pants in your family tells you to do!' and the rest is history, on account of two women who told two men what to do and they did it!!! Then there was the woman who was told not to look back and she had two daughters who both had bright 💡 💡 ideas!!! If God had told one woman back in history, 'women can't be pastors, women can't be elders, women can't be priests', do you really think women would have obeyed God? The only way God could get a woman to obey Him is by using reverse psychology but unfortunately for God He doesn't lie and He doesn't tempt women to do evil, it just seems to come naturally to them.

Thank you for exposing the truth. God bless!

Jesus was a sexist not to add women for his disciples. and his dad an asshole..

great video

The truly authentic situationally connected Bible is the living infinite formless attention and movement of the present truth with God. The written Bible is secondary finite symbols written in the inferior language of man. Wisdom from the written Bible then is only pertinent if it authentically fits with the here and now moment and with the holy spirit as it is. For example a written code applied to winter of putting on a coat would not apply when the present truth is the hot summer. Hope this helps, brother. ua-cam.com/video/TSjDbtDMhcA/v-deo.html

Xymo Nau...Shame on you, if you are going to quote sister White at least do it in the context that she meant. 6T322 is talking about being a "canvasser" one that goes door to door selling our Adventist books spreading the gospel of Jesus's soon return. The quote you took "It is the accompaniment of the Holy Spirit of God that prepares workers, both men and women, to become pastors to the flock of God." is right in the middle of a long paragraph which is in the middle of a section called "THE CANVASSER A GOSPEL WORKER". The second quote you use RH July 9, 1895 also taken out of context, if people would read this article they will see it is about God using not only ministers but lay people as well, the laying on of hands of the woman is for the work of visiting the sick, watching the young ect... This is done as a "supporting role" of the ministers and elders. Please don't spread YOUR ideas by not quoting the true and real context/idea that our dear sister wrote them. We know good and well that the Holy Spirit spake to men "human beings" who then wrote the Holy Bible, not once in the Bible does it say that a woman was head of and or leading a "church". With all due respect don't cherry pick what sister White wrote for our admonition for the times we live in. Your sister in Christ!!

Such is the problem of Sola Scriptura. The Dean of the Adventist Seminary in Berrien Springs is reading into the text what he wants to believe. Since he is fallible, his interpretation can be in error. The bible comes from the Church established by Christ, the Pillar and Bulwark of Truth (1 Tim 3:15) and is where the manifold wisdom of God is known (Eph 3:10). If Christ wanted woman ordained, he would have taught that to the apostles, and the apostles would have handed it down to their descendants. And the descendants would have taught their descendants. Suggest that the Dean show where early Christians professed his interpretation of Scripture. It seems that he is bending to modernism, allowing the culture to form him rather then him forming the culture. Our culture believes it is charitable to say "yes" to nearly everyone. The most loving thing to do, always, is to stand for the truth and in this case say "no".

Very well said brother Ingo. And God bless. The Lord needs more men like this to stand up for the truth. The truth is not relevant! It is absolute.

What is ordination, does it transfer power or bestow the gift of the spirit? Does God require ordination from humans as a means of approving His bestowal of a spiritual gift? The most detailed description of spiritual gifts in 1 Corinthians 12 has no discrimination regarding gender. Spiritual gifts are bestowed by the Spirit according to the will of the Father. Indeed ordination is merely a ceremony that publicly declares recognition of the gift which the Spirit gives based on his criteria to whom He chooses. If as the saying goes 'a mind is a terrible thing to waste imagine the eternal results of fighting against the Spirit who has chosen someone to possess his gift. Indeed we must cast off the vestiges of pagan and romanism which pretend to usurp the power of God and establish their own traditions.

Ingo, thank you for your presentation. However, other than listing some potential passages that may address the issue direct or indirect, you did not mention any single Bible support for taking your position, against WO. You just counted few selected views used by some common sense individuals, but you presented 0 (zero) Bible evidence of your position. I was open listening someone making the SCRIPTURE relevant on this topic, but you failed to present any evidence.

Anyone heard of Strong's Concordance-Hebrew and Greek Lexicon? 2 Tim. 2:15, "Study to show thyself approved unto God..." Search and find that WOMAN is an Overseer/ELDER, Bishoprick/APOSTLE, Bishop/PASTOR, etc. Ex. 1Tim.3:1. "if a man" G1536 (whoever) and "OFFICE of a bishop" G1984 (office of an elder). V.2 bishop G1985 (elder). Acts 14:23, elders G4245 (elder WOMAN).

We should take the scripture as it is. Stop racionalzing and take God at his word! God's word do not need a 'study'! Get with it! Our leadership has failed! God needs individuals now more than ever! Amen to the second speaker!