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MSI Claw A1M (Ultra 5): Initial Impressions, Size Comparisons, Gameplay
This is a surprise handheld unboxing and impressions video! Since the Pimax Portal didn't work out (DOA and refunded), I took a chance on a discounted MSIU Claw A1M - the cheaper Ultra 5 edition. The Claw has gotten a lot of bad press in particular because MSI was initially charging premoum prices and - with the state the device was in when it was first shipped - was in no way able to justify those prices.
So now that the next Claw is coming ... how does the original stack up after it's had time to grow with (hopefully) better driver support and a lower price? Let's find out!
This isn't meant to be a full review - if there's interest I could do one after having longer to play with the device. I do want to do some more thorough comparisons to the Deck and Ally and do more with emulation. But this IS a long video, so time stamps are provided below.
Any questions or comments? Leave 'em below!
0:00 MSI Claw unboxing
3:54 Size
4:38 Size compared to the Steam Deck
5:29 Size compared to the ROG Ally
6:20 Size compared to the Odin 2 Mini
8:09 Device tour
12:35 Software (MSI Center M - game launcher)
13:21 MSI Center M - How do you adjust performance?
15:20 The quick menu and performance overlay
19:16 Gameplay - Star Ocean Till the End of Time (PS2, PCSX2)
21:07 Gameplay - Champions of Norrath (PS2, PCSX2)
23:17 Gameplay - Borderlands 2 (PC)
25:17 Gameplay - Borderlands 3 (PC)
27:16 Some good and bad points about the Claw
32:46 Final thoughts
So now that the next Claw is coming ... how does the original stack up after it's had time to grow with (hopefully) better driver support and a lower price? Let's find out!
This isn't meant to be a full review - if there's interest I could do one after having longer to play with the device. I do want to do some more thorough comparisons to the Deck and Ally and do more with emulation. But this IS a long video, so time stamps are provided below.
Any questions or comments? Leave 'em below!
0:00 MSI Claw unboxing
3:54 Size
4:38 Size compared to the Steam Deck
5:29 Size compared to the ROG Ally
6:20 Size compared to the Odin 2 Mini
8:09 Device tour
12:35 Software (MSI Center M - game launcher)
13:21 MSI Center M - How do you adjust performance?
15:20 The quick menu and performance overlay
19:16 Gameplay - Star Ocean Till the End of Time (PS2, PCSX2)
21:07 Gameplay - Champions of Norrath (PS2, PCSX2)
23:17 Gameplay - Borderlands 2 (PC)
25:17 Gameplay - Borderlands 3 (PC)
27:16 Some good and bad points about the Claw
32:46 Final thoughts
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Ayn Odin 2 Mini - Gameplay Test - Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights (PS2)
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I just got a bunch of new (to me) PlayStation 2 games in to try out, so let's get racing. This is "Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights running on the Odin 2 Mini. This is one of those relatively rare titles - that get disproportionally featured on my channel - that requires a bit of tuning to perform on even the most powerful Android handhelds like this one. This game is basically a simpler variant of ...
Ayn Odin 2 Mini - Gameplay Test - Hot Shots Golf 3 (PS2)
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Want to kill half an hour watching someone be bad at golf? Well then this is the video for you! This is Hot Shots Golf 3 for the PlayStation 2 running on the Odin 2 Mini. I got this game recently along with several other new (to me) PS2 discs. I've never actually played one of these PS2 golf games, and it's not my usual genre but I thought I'd give it a go anyway. You're seeing the second time ...
Ayn Odin 2 Mini - Gameplay Test - Black (PS2)
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Time for some FPS games! This is Black for the PlayStation 2. If you like shiny, shiny guns, mowing down lots of people, and long cutscenes - this is going to be a good game choice. This is a strictly single player game, and at the time it was criticized for not having multiplayer modes. Ironically, not relying on multiplayer makes the game something you can pick up here in 2024 without feeling...
Anbernic edition! Blurring and ghosting: Handheld image quality tests (Part 3)
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I've got two previous videos up on image quality for retro handheld image quality, which I'll link here: Test 1: ua-cam.com/video/mkckucR4T8I/v-deo.html Test 2 (ZZZ): ua-cam.com/video/fdcKhEbWfK0/v-deo.html This video is similar to the first one linked above, with three Anbernic retro handhelds as the test subjects: Anbernic RG405M, Anbernic RG556, and Anbernic RG Cube. It'd have been nice to p...
Blurring/Ghosting: Handheld image quality tests round 2! (Zenless Zone Zero at 60FPS)
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In the last test video, linked just below, we looked at motion artifacts on several different retro/gaming handhelds. In that video, we used a test website - the UFO test - but what about an actual game? Previous (non-game) test video here: ua-cam.com/video/mkckucR4T8I/v-deo.html The game is Zenless Zone Zero - one of the new Mihoyo action-based gachas. It's a heavy game with (ideally) 60FPS 3D...
Blurring/Ghosting: Handheld image quality tests (Odin 2, Odin 2 Mini, Razer Edge, Retroid Pocket 3+)
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While there are some games that make use of lots of still images, most video games are all about motion. How do the screens of these retro handhelds look once the images are in motion? Is there blurring? Ghosting? Let's test these devices and find out. Today, we'll look at two handhelds from Ayn - the Odin 2 Pro and the Odin 2 Mini ... as well as the OLED-packing high-refresh-rate Razer Edge an...
Ayn Odin 2 Mini - Gameplay Test - Arc the Lad: End of Darkness (PS2)
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Ayn Odin 2 Mini - Gameplay Test - Arc the Lad: End of Darkness (PS2) THe previous PlayStation 2 entry in the Arc the Lad series was a JRPG was tactical turn-based combat. This entry in the series makes the game into a JRPG with real-time action combat and an online component which is not going to work now (online only lasted about a year if you were playing in NA). The game didn't review well b...
Latency Testing: CORRECTIONS and Part 2 (Features some Linux handhelds too - 8 devices total)
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In my last video, I tested latency on six different Android handhelds. In this video, we're expanding the number of devices to eight and making an important correction to the data. What's the correction? Well, I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is that I've updated the numbers and this set of data should be more accurate. The bad news ... the latency numbers in the previous ...
(Look at the description first!) Latency Testing: Odin 2 Mini vs Odin 2 Pro (and 4 other handhelds)
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IMPORTANT: Check out the second video linked just below for corrections on these numbers! There was an issue with the exported videos used to count frames and calculate latency having the wrong framerate. It's all explained - and updated numbers tabulated - in the updated video I've linked below. Essentially, you can double the milliseconds for the results here and it's pretty much right. The u...
Ayn Odin 2 Mini - Gameplay Test - Odin Sphere (PS2)
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Here is an appropriate game to play on the Odin 2 Mini: Odin Sphere for the PlayStation 2. This is a side-scrolling action RPG (sorta - the combat is more like a beat 'em up than anything else) that got Vanillaware on the map. Later, the game was redone and rereleased for other platforms, but this one's the original. Performance in the game is good at the 4:3 aspect ratio. There are widescreen ...
Ayn Odin 2 Mini - Gameplay Test - Justice League Heroes (PS2)
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I got a new game in today - Justice League Heroes for the PlayStation 2. I'm going to call it a superhero slugfest. Most of what I've seen so far when playing the game is superheroes punching robots and robots punching superheroes. This game was developed by Snowblind - using their game engine. Unlike the Baldur's Gate games and Champions of Norrath, this game doesn't seem to push the engine so...
Ayn Odin 2 Mini - Gameplay Test - Arc the Lad: Twilight of the Spirits (PS2)
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Arc the Lad is a series of (mostly) tactical roleplaying games that began back on the original PlayStation in 1995. The first three games were localized and released by Working Designs on the PlayStation in 2002. This is the fourth game in the series to be published on PlayStation consoles - this time for the PS2 in 2003. This game has tactical combat on a 3D-rendered playing field. Due to the ...
Ayn Odin 2 Mini - Gameplay Test - Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance 2 (PS2) - Manual tweaks required!
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Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance got a sequel ... with the terribly original name "Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance II". In many ways the game was an expansion of the first game - featuring more classes, more customization, etc. It used the same Snowblind engine as the first game but pushes it a bit further, so this game can be a challenge to emulate. A challenge which the Odin 2 Mini ... might not be qu...
Razer Edge Handheld - Gameplay Test - Borderlands 2 (Vita) - How to fix graphics glitches!
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Here is Borderlands 2 for the PlayStation Vita running on the Razer Edge handheld. This is Vita3K version 12 for Android, but I was having trouble getting the game to run without constant graphics glitches and/or crashing with the latest Qualcomm and Turnip drivers. Apparently, the secret to getting a relatively glitch-free experience with Borderlands 2 on the Edge is to grab an older Turnip bu...
Ayn Odin 2 Mini Handheld - Gameplay Test - Borderlands 2 (Vita)
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Ayn Odin 2 Mini Handheld - Gameplay Test - Borderlands 2 (Vita)
Zenless Zone Zero Gameplay Test: Anbernic RG Cube
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Zenless Zone Zero Gameplay Test: Anbernic RG Cube
Zenless Zone Zero - Gameplay Tests: Anbernic RG556, Razer Edge, Ayn Odin 2 Mini
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Zenless Zone Zero - Gameplay Tests: Anbernic RG556, Razer Edge, Ayn Odin 2 Mini
Ayn Odin 2 Mini Handheld - Gameplay Test - Shining Force EXA
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Ayn Odin 2 Mini Handheld - Gameplay Test - Shining Force EXA
Testing Handhelds Outdoors - Featuring Anbernic, Ayn, Retroid, and Razer devices
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Testing Handhelds Outdoors - Featuring Anbernic, Ayn, Retroid, and Razer devices
Razer Edge: Battery Test (PS2 Emulation) and Charging Behavior
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Razer Edge: Battery Test (PS2 Emulation) and Charging Behavior
Odin 2 Mini vs Odin 2: Battery Comparison, Temperature, Charging
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Odin 2 Mini vs Odin 2: Battery Comparison, Temperature, Charging
Ayn Odin 2 Mini Handheld - Gameplay Test - Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance (PS2)
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Ayn Odin 2 Mini Handheld - Gameplay Test - Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance (PS2)
Testing handheld screen brightness part 4 - Razer Edge, Odin 2 Mini results for 16 handhelds
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Testing handheld screen brightness part 4 - Razer Edge, Odin 2 Mini results for 16 handhelds
Odin 2 Mini: Initial Impressions, Size Comparisons, PS2 Gameplay
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Odin 2 Mini: Initial Impressions, Size Comparisons, PS2 Gameplay
Razer Edge Handheld Gameplay Test - Star Wars Jedi Starfighter (PS2)
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Razer Edge Handheld Gameplay Test - Star Wars Jedi Starfighter (PS2)
Razer Edge: Review (Specs, Build, Controls, PS2 Gameplay demos, Pros and Cons)
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Razer Edge: Review (Specs, Build, Controls, PS2 Gameplay demos, Pros and Cons)
Testing handheld screen brightness part 3 - RG Cube and results for 14 systems!
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Testing handheld screen brightness part 3 - RG Cube and results for 14 systems!
Razer Edge Handheld Gameplay Test - Radiata Stories (PS2)
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Razer Edge Handheld Gameplay Test - Radiata Stories (PS2)
Waiting a deck oled vs claw comparison ❤😊🎉
Intel can’t help itself with those brand stickers.
The problem with this is that anbernic now only provides the firmware. There are no games in the image file. I booted my new sd disk in the rg28xx, and it works beautifully, but when I look try to play games like I did before and it says no files. There is a movie and and song to play, but absolutely no games. So I copied all of the files and folders off the old sd card and tried to copy them to the new sd card and it told me that there isn't enough space. Both are 64 gig sd cards. I'm lost.
has anyone ever told you that your voice sounds exactly like the SCV guy in the original starcraft?
Folks, I need a copy of the users manual. I've looked everywhere. Can anyone help?
Quick Update: Remixed Android Handheld .... Razer Edge Tablet Or Pimax Portal Tablet + GameSir X-4 Aileron Bluetooth controller Or BsP D8 Bluetooth controller 🧐🤓🤯 For carrying case... Any Switch Case...10"×5"×2" or 11"×6"×3"...
You have a working Portal? How is it? (I was going to try out a Portal just because of how weird it is, but mine was DOA and got sent back. The DOA part seems to be common for new/old stock units ... something I found out after the purchase)
That's exactly what I want to see before buying the handheld : how actual gameplay is going with less mainstream games + configuration. Perfect, because that's what I will do if I get the console. Do you have by any chance a global configuration guide for setting up the console like you do ? Frontend + emulators + basic parameters... What should I do when I unbox the console type of guide. Thanks for this wonderful channel and the time you're putting into this content ! ❤
Seems to run quite nicely. How are you finding the ergonomics of the mini? The fact that it’s so heavily inspired by the Vita has me worried, because that machine was a pain when sticks were involved. But the mini has an asymmetrical layout and isn’t an exact copy, so I expect it isn’t quite as bad.
I find the Mini to be easier to hold and play for stick-centric games than the original Vita. I think there's a couple of reasons for that. First, the more modern left stick placement feels more comfortable to me on a wide device. Plus, I've gotten used to it playing a lot of games on PC with a controller. Another thing is that the Mini has triggers. Stuff like Borderlands 2 on the original Vita could get pretty painful because you have to either press or avoid pressing the back touchpad - which limited how you could hold the device ... not a problem with the Mini. And then there's the sticks themselves - the Mini's sticks feel way better than the Vita sticks. Hooray for bigger, taller sticks! At least so far, I'm not in the market for grips. I can play this for a couple of hours without my hands cramping.
Get the 5g version. Always being connected has been a must have to cloud game wherever whenever. I love it.
Plus you get 8GB of RAM with the 5G - which means stuff like Zenless Zone Zero is way easier to play. You can't (unfortunately) score one of the 5G models new for $200, but used ones can be found for that.
Nice test, thank you. I recently received thr odin 2 mini. The screen is ok, i am not that impressed with it. I was expecting something amazing, unless I haven't properly set it up . I don't think these retro hand held displays compare that well to a mobile phone display. The ghosting and vignetting isn't an issue for me. I just wish Ayn had squeesed in a 5.5 inch borderless display, they could have just squuezed it in .
I think if you're comparing these screens to a high-end AMOLED high-refresh-rate phone screen, then you're probably going to be disappointed. What the Mini *does* get you is brightness ... which isn't surprising because that's one of the miniled technology's big selling points. For a handheld, that brightness makes the screen great for playing outside. For these devices (admittedly, this is grading on the curve), the Mini has one of the better screens you can get in terms of its overall quality - brightness, colors, motion artifacts, etc. But yeah ... a high end cellphone screen looks way better.
@@chemicalburrito782How do you think the mini compares in terms of brightness with modern day cell phones in direct sunlight? My use case is actually in direct sunlight lol. Honestly my iPhone 14 is horrible in the sun even before the auto dimming takes over.
@@TunaTales So it's a hot and sunny day today here at the beach - just for a quick exact comparison I took the O2 Mini and my iPhone 12 Pro outside running the same game in full direct sunlight. Before the inevitable throttling/dimming that happens on the iPhone when it's in the sun kicked in, the O2 Mini at full brightness was still brighter and easier to see than my iPhone. I don't think a space sim or other game that's really dark is going to look good on any device in direct sunlight, but other stuff is comfortable on the Mini.
I got an Odin 2 before I realized there was a screen difference between it and the Mini. I watched many vids of the 2 and was happy with the screen (still am) but definitely not as happy as I could be after seeing it in comparison to the Mini. Are the bezels thinner on the Mini? Kinda looks like it from here. In the end, I should just be thankful I have such a powerful device that can play so many old games in the palm of my hand.
Sitting the two devices together (I can't find my ruler at the moment for actual numbers), the bezels on both screens are almost exactly the same width on both the top and the sides ... maybe the Mini is SLIGHTLY smaller on the sides. The regular Odin 2 screen does have some of its own advantages, though. If you do any PC game streaming, I think the bigger screen is definitely going to feel more comfortable. Probably the same for games via Winlator.
Hi if the price is the same would you buy razer edge, odin or rg556?
Assuming you mean one of the Odin 2 devices when you say "Odin" ... If I was buying one device and the three were the same cost, I would choose an Odin 2. The Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 in the Odin 2 lets you do things that you just can't do well on the other two devices - like emulating some of the more challenging PS2 games. Or Switch and Windows games via Winlator. Or ZZZ at high graphics settings and 60FPS instead of low graphics and/or 30FPS. Now if you meant the older original Odin devices and not the Odin 2 line ... the Razer Edge, for pretty much the same reason as I'd pick an Odin 2 in the first scenario - the Edge is simply better at doing PS2 emulation (my favorite thing on these devices) than the RG556 or the older Odin line. The fact that the screen and controls would be better on the Edge is a bonus in this situation.
@@chemicalburrito782 yeah I meant the odin 2, so the Razer can also play all retro games like rg556?
@@Kaiser0109 If a retro game will play on an RG556, it'll play on the Edge - and will likely play *better* on the Edge. Anbernic DOES preinstall and preconfigure a lot of common retro emulators with their systems, though - so if you don't want to mess with setup you don't have to do a whole lot to get an RG556 going. With the Odin 2 and Edge, you have to install emulators yourself. For some people, having all that preinstalled like Anbernic does is a positive. (A lot of retro gamers delete/reinstall different versions of emulators on the RG556 anyway, but it's not required.)
WOW. What a great result from the Edge. On another note, I noticed about a 1.5-2 frames (~25-32ms) better response time when I use GarlicOS on my RG405M. It makes playing Kaizo romhacks noticeably better. Too bad there's no wifi or hwaccel yet
I think the Linux builds benefit from having less stuff running in the background. I looked at Garlic - it's a shame that the drivers aren't there yet - it'd be interesting to try it out if they were.
Awesome video, thanks! Yeah... damn. The amount of ghosting on the other devices besides the 2 Mini is insane. Now I'm interested in the Edge, because I love high refresh rate screens; my only concern is whether to get the Edge or just look for an oldgen flagship phone. I have a RG405M; I wish I could see a test like this with it, so I can compare. I play Kaizo Mario hacks on it, so less ghosting is better for when I wanna upgrade.
I am going to do another video with some of the other (Android, since they can run Chrome for the test) devices that I have - including the RG405M. I already have the 405M video clip. It is ... kinda similar to the Retroid 3+. I've heard that they may have used different screens in the older vs newer ones (my RG405M is one of the newer ones with the upgraded shoulder buttons), so the results for mine might be different from yours if you have the older model. But the screen thing is rumor - could just be they glued them in better for the revision.
I think an older flagship COULD be a good deal - if you can get one with a good battery. I have had terrible luck in the past getting batteries with good remaining capacity on used phones, though.
Sold my cube still selling my rg 28xx and I've ordered a 2 mini 💯
For some reason when I play this on the razer edge it crashes right after I press start. Downloaded like 5 times. Still nothing.
If you're using the Wifi Edge, the game's going to be hit or miss because it really wants more RAM. You might have better luck rebooting the Edge and then starting ZZZ as the first app you run afterwards. You don't need to redownload - just attempt to start it again if it crashes. Once it gets past server login, it runs for a while unless you try to back out to another app, at least in my experience. That's why I noted in the video that the game crashes frequently - this video is using the Wifi Edge. (On the 5G model which has 8GB of RAM, the game starts up and runs every time. This is one case where the extra RAM actually matters.)
@@chemicalburrito782 thank you I shut down a lot of background stuff and hit force stop on things works now . 🥰🥰🥰
So.... For 165$ would it be worth it?
$165? That's not too bad of a price. What were you planning on doing with it?
So for gaming , what matters more, the graphics or the frame/refresh rate? I did end up getting the Odin 2 for Wuthering waves but would the edge run it better?
You'd notice less blurring in fast transitions and turning the camera around on the Edge (you'd want the 8GB Edge model for the newest games like ZZZ, though I think the 6GB one runs WuWa fine). But the Odin 2 is giving you higher graphics settings across the board - which is definitely something for a game like WuWa. And it's still 60FPS on both devices - you just get more motion blur on the Odin 2. I think if I had to choose for that game, I'd probably choose the Odin 2 like you did.
That game needs all the cpu power it can get, edge would drop a lot more frames.
Sorry if I'm wrong, I'm using Google Translate because I don't know English yet, but I wanted to know if it's possible to play well or if you don't recommend playing Zenless Zone Zero 🙏
@@Nourin-fy3je I wouldn't recommend the Cube as your primary device for ZZZ because the screen is quite small for the game's interface. But it'd probably work to use the Cube as a secondary device for playing a bit when you're away from your main device.
@@chemicalburrito782 thanks
This is a true test. I own GPD Winmax 2 and AYN ODIN 2. When playing "Prince Of Persia: The Lost Crown" on Yuzu, the delay between the button press and the movement of the character Sagon on ODIN 2 is very clear. Especially when needing to stop in a dangerous area, the character always tends to move later. Meanwhile, this situation does not happen on my GPD Winmax 2. When you need to stop, the character will immediately stop.
This is the best review of this device that I have seen so far, and by a long shot! You've ran rings around the usuals that cover this kind of content. Thank you! Subscribed.
Can you do a performance showdown between the two. I own Ally and thinking of getting Odin 2 mainly because the battery life on Ally really sucks. Even for home use, i cant see myself plugged into an outlet to play a handheld, its just terrible. Also size is another reason to consider Odin 2 as it looks smaller and easy to hold.
Can you please make a video playing Wuthering waves on the razer edge ?
I have a video for that on my channel .
Dang, really sorry to hear that your consoles RIP now. I got a 505 on the way, hopefully it’ll last me a while. Would you recommend any case for it?
The official Anbernic case is the one I had, and it's fine. (The reason my device died wasn't due to the case - I'm leaning towards it being a manufacturing defect that put too much stress on the OLED screen internally and it just eventually cracked on its own.) The good news with finding a case the RG505 is that it's basically a rectangular slab that doesn't need a bottom molded specifically to the device so there are a lot of cases on Amazon for it if you didn't get the official.
Thanks! I was wondering to get a razer edge. It helps alot. Could you do the moonlight stream decoding latency test? Especially for razer edge and odin2 mini. I already have a odin2 mini, but just want to see how about the decoding time of razer edge. If the button and decoding latency all lower than odin2 mini, I'll buy it immediately😂
What are the moonlight numbers on odin mini 2 ?
Love Apple deciding what’s best for the user (and not even telling them). Can you reveal your green screen trick? Cause the slides in the background are added in post, right? What are you pointing at when you’re filming?
I generally like my iPhone, but there are times when I want to either throw it into the ocean or give it the Dankpods treatment with a lightning-cable equivalent of his Maraca Cracker. Finding out what had been done to my test videos after going through all those frames was ... one of those times! The green screen trick for the slides that I'm using is a fairly simple thing to do with OBS - and one I use sometimes when recording videos for students. I have three sources set up on top of each other: On top there's my camera with the green chroma key filter applied. In the middle, there's an image source (the slides), and then on the bottom there's a third source - which is a duplicate of the first camera feed, but with no chroma key filter. So if I just put my hands - or other objects - on the desk, they will be on top of the slide, otherwise the slide is visible on top of the desk in the recorded video. So I can just point out things on the slides live and see what I'm doing on my monitor.
@@chemicalburrito782 Doh, that’s obvious in hindsight. And yeah while I can’t help swearing at my Apple devices at times (or iTunes, oh my god I’ve lost so much hair to iTunes on Windows), on the whole they’re a good experience.
For those of you who dont know: Smash Melee on the Gamecube is right around the Odin 2 input lag level, with Melee averaging 58.83 ms. Smash Ultimate averages input lag of 98.31 ms. Do with the information what you will.
Zenless keeps crashing when i try to open it on my edge would you have any idea why?
Wifi Edge like the one I have? The Wifi Edge has 6GB RAM, which is less than what ZZZ wants to run comfortably. I have had the best luck running the game right after rebooting the Edge so there's less stuff running in the background. Even then you sometimes have to start the game more than once before it gets in without crashing. It's sad because the Edge has plenty of CPU power for the game once you get it to run... Once the game starts on the Edge, it will generally run fine for quite a while. (I'm doing a couple of combat commissions right now on my Edge, in fact!)
how you run?
I'm seeing 16 frames of input lag, thats 260ms can you really play with this?
@@TheFalco708 I think you’re mainly seeing the capture card delay there if you’re comparing the full screen video to the superimposed camera footage.
@@chemicalburrito782 no the capture card replay is actually in advance to the camera footage idk could you make more input lag test with game emulator and compare it to the ps vita maybe?
was about to buy the odin 2 mini but after seeing this I'm worried to a 12 years old ps vita would be better at this point
Watching your performance videos, I’m a little let down by the Odin 2. Not that it’s not still pretty impressive, but after videos like RGC’s “Why the Odin 2 is still king” I got the impression you really didn’t have to worry about PS2 emulation, but here I’m seeing a bunch of games I was interested in that have problems. Enough titles that I don’t think it’s that rare to have to do some tweaking, assuming a fix is even possible. Like yeah, the Odin is still a tier above most of the competition, but he presented it as the “everything just works“ device (paraphrasing). I appreciate the reality check.
The problem here is not so much the Odin 2 itself - it's got a lot of power. The main issue here is that the best PS2 emulation software on Android right now is AetherSX2 (and NetherSX2 which is essentially a binary patch to AetherSX2 to get rid of ads and update game default configurations). AetherSX2 is currently dead in terms of development ... so there are games that work a lot better on PC devices simply because performance-killing bugs that are in AetherSX2 have been fixed in PCSX2 for the PC. I think if you want a system that's as close to "everything just works" for PS2 as possible, you're going to want something like an Ally X, a Legion Go, possibly an OLED Deck, etc. (Just not the Anbernic WIN600 ... just ... no.) Now to be fair to the Odin 2 (I mean ... I like the Odin 2!), a LOT of PS2 games DO fall into the "Just bump the resolution up to 3X and don't touch anything else" category. And as long as you're sticking to Android, the original Odin 2 is probably still the best option for price to performance.
@@chemicalburrito782 At the end of the day it doesn't really matter whether it's the software or hardware (and I don't think it's always that clear which it is). I don't want to make too big a deal out of this, but I just had the wrong idea about the state of PS2 on the Odin 2 (I thought it was closer to a Deck in that regard). Same goes for the Switch, I think. You just always have to take what you hear online with a grain of salt. That's why raw gameplay tests like this are very useful. I actually had a Deck, and loved it but had ergonomic issues with it. Mostly the weight.
Please sir help me! Can you let me know if Wuthering waves is playable with the razer edge ! I would really appreciate it sir!
I installed it on my Edge and it seems to work fine, at least from running it for about an hour or so. Not launching with native controller support is pretty pathetic for an action game released in 2024, though. That said, you can use the Nexus app that comes with the Edge to map the sticks and buttons for the game if you like.
@@chemicalburrito782 did you notice any frame drops? Any lag during combat? I play on my iPhone 11 and it’s pretty bad. Was hoping I get this for better quality gaming.
@@chemicalburrito782 I appreciate you doing this . Thank you kindly 🙏
@@j.ctheanimated1146 I think if you want high settings *and* 60FPS, you probably want go Odin 2. If you don't mind backing down some on the graphics settings, you can play at 60fps on the Edge. I won't say that there's no frame drops *at all* ... but the combat felt smooth. The device gets warm, but its been running the game for a couple of hours now and hasn't overheated. The fan runs the whole time, though. I think what the Edge (and Odin, for that matter) really get you over the iPhone for these games is the active cooling. I have an iPhone 12 Pro and it seems to thermally throttle at the drop of a hat when gaming ... so the performance starts off really nice but it can't keep it up.
@@chemicalburrito782 I would get the Odin but I like that with the razer I can switch to my preferred gamepad/controller. If you can make a video of this game on it , it would be very much appreciated sir.
OMG 50ms -.-"
Did exactly as you did (amazing, as I'm a newbie at all this), but I've now installed the new flashed card and it comes up with a black screen on my device. What do I do?
Thank you for these tests! I would recommend using a external controller via bluetooth and usb as well. Also, making use of the Odins performance mode would be very interesting to see during these tests. Again, thank you for all your work here!
@@DSolo59 High performance mode was on for the Odin twins. I usually use that when testing new PS2 games so I just leave it that way.
what version of pcsx2 is this ?
How do you account for travel distance of the buttons
To try to keep things consistent among the devices, I am pushing the button as fast as I can and starting the frame count when the button has been completely pressed. This is, of course, not perfect ... but I think it is more reproducible than starting the count at the beginning of the press because - as you say - the buttons have different travel distances.
That's interesting. I was expecting at least 2 frames of difference (~33ms) at 60hz between the odin2 and the rest... This is the result I found by the way when I compared my odin2 and my retroid pocket 2s running Super Mario World in retroarch without runahead or preemptive. Odin2 had an average response time of 130ms, while the retroid pocket 2s had an average response time of 100ms Thank you for this test. Subscribed! ❤
I used Gamepad Tester mainly because I was curious to see what the response time was independent of any lag introduced by the various emulators - and also "green light goes on" is pretty easy to see on my camera along with the button press. I would say that there might be something else going on between retroarch and the Odin 2 hardware (drivers?), but the Odin 2 Mini is more responsive than the original Odin 2 and they're nominally the same hardware with a different screen for the Mini. (Like some of the people on Reddit, I "felt" that the Mini was more responsive than the original 2 ... but wanted to see some actual data.)
@@chemicalburrito782 I've seen people speculating that the LCD panel on the Odin 2 has higher latency, which is a plausible theory when a different display tech on the Odin 2 Mini seems to be outperforming it. Now we just need some kind of comprehensive testing for input lag in the different emulators. I know Yuzu just does not feel great on my Odin 2. It might be game-dependent. I can't play Spelunky 2 through Yuzu on my Odin 2 at all, it feels terrible. I can literally play the same game through remote play on other devices and it feels better than it does emulating locally on my Odin 2.
@@chemicalburrito782 hey, you know what a interesting test would be? Stock gpu drivers vs turnip drivers. I don't know if this is placebo or not, but Hollow Knight felt terrible on odin2 yuzu using qualcomm drivers, but after I switched to turnip, it became more tolerable. Anyway, thanks for all the testing you've been doing. I would definetely get a odin2 mini if I could, instead of my regular odin2, because latency is a big deal to me.
That sounds about in line with my updated results - on the gamepad tester I got 20-ish ms slower response from the original Odin 2 than the other Android devices (except the Edge which was the speed demon in terms of response time - especially if you kick in the 144Hz screen refresh). I do think the margin of error here is going to be somewhat high just because of my testing setup being very low-budget.
@@MisterDrumsNoob I think the general consensus is "use the turnip drivers unless they just don't work". You think the difference in feel you're seeing between the two drivers is a frame pacing issue, maybe?
Love this! Tks so much!
Love the empirical data. Thanks
I'm finding that PSTV mode is breaking the launch - updated to v1.09 and the game launches + runs in normal mode but doesn't launch properly in PSTV mode (blackscreen). Are there any other settings i need to tweak?
@@RowanLace The thing about Vita3K is that aside from the Turnip drivers for Snapdragon devices, there’s not a whole lot you CAN tweak. Literally all I’ve done to get the controls to work on BL2 is to install the normal game, install the 1.09 update, make sure PSTV mode is set to on, and launch the game. It’s possible that there might be an issue with the update not installing correctly?
Love input lag tests! Thanks for looking into this! 🍻🤘🏼🔥
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Is there a charger that comes with this or a recommended charger
Ayn has its own charger buy you have to buy it separately, both consoles supports fast charging. Personally I simply use my phone's charger instead.
Both of these Odin 2 devices come with only a cable - there's no charger brick included. As you can see in the video, they both support fast charging at 25W max, so as long as you get a brick that supports at least 25W charging if you want the fastest charge possible you should be good to go. Personally, I usually use: the 65W charger that came with my ROG Ally, an Anker Powerport III 65W, or my Anker 521 power strip (30W USB-C) at my computer desk - whichever one I happen to be nearest when I need a charge. And all three of these charge the Odins at 25W - unless I'm also charging my phone on the 521 and that drops it to 20W).
I've been trying to get Zoe 2 to run right. Some of the special effects cripple the frame rate
How about the rest of the files you have downloaded from the website? Did you load all of them inside the same SD card that you booted with new firmware?
No joke, I literally checked this game out after trying to get a Odin 2 Mini, it's a good game so far.
Seemed appropriate, at least! I'll admit that I didn't finish the game when I first played it way back in 2008(I think) ... but having it on the Odin may help.