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You have a working Portal? How is it? (I was going to try out a Portal just because of how weird it is, but mine was DOA and got sent back. The DOA part seems to be common for new/old stock units ... something I found out after the purchase)

I find the Mini to be easier to hold and play for stick-centric games than the original Vita. I think there's a couple of reasons for that. First, the more modern left stick placement feels more comfortable to me on a wide device. Plus, I've gotten used to it playing a lot of games on PC with a controller. Another thing is that the Mini has triggers. Stuff like Borderlands 2 on the original Vita could get pretty painful because you have to either press or avoid pressing the back touchpad - which limited how you could hold the device ... not a problem with the Mini. And then there's the sticks themselves - the Mini's sticks feel way better than the Vita sticks. Hooray for bigger, taller sticks! At least so far, I'm not in the market for grips. I can play this for a couple of hours without my hands cramping.

Plus you get 8GB of RAM with the 5G - which means stuff like Zenless Zone Zero is way easier to play. You can't (unfortunately) score one of the 5G models new for $200, but used ones can be found for that.

I think if you're comparing these screens to a high-end AMOLED high-refresh-rate phone screen, then you're probably going to be disappointed. What the Mini *does* get you is brightness ... which isn't surprising because that's one of the miniled technology's big selling points. For a handheld, that brightness makes the screen great for playing outside. For these devices (admittedly, this is grading on the curve), the Mini has one of the better screens you can get in terms of its overall quality - brightness, colors, motion artifacts, etc. But yeah ... a high end cellphone screen looks way better.

@@chemicalburrito782How do you think the mini compares in terms of brightness with modern day cell phones in direct sunlight? My use case is actually in direct sunlight lol. Honestly my iPhone 14 is horrible in the sun even before the auto dimming takes over.

@@TunaTales So it's a hot and sunny day today here at the beach - just for a quick exact comparison I took the O2 Mini and my iPhone 12 Pro outside running the same game in full direct sunlight. Before the inevitable throttling/dimming that happens on the iPhone when it's in the sun kicked in, the O2 Mini at full brightness was still brighter and easier to see than my iPhone. I don't think a space sim or other game that's really dark is going to look good on any device in direct sunlight, but other stuff is comfortable on the Mini.

Sitting the two devices together (I can't find my ruler at the moment for actual numbers), the bezels on both screens are almost exactly the same width on both the top and the sides ... maybe the Mini is SLIGHTLY smaller on the sides. The regular Odin 2 screen does have some of its own advantages, though. If you do any PC game streaming, I think the bigger screen is definitely going to feel more comfortable. Probably the same for games via Winlator.

Assuming you mean one of the Odin 2 devices when you say "Odin" ... If I was buying one device and the three were the same cost, I would choose an Odin 2. The Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 in the Odin 2 lets you do things that you just can't do well on the other two devices - like emulating some of the more challenging PS2 games. Or Switch and Windows games via Winlator. Or ZZZ at high graphics settings and 60FPS instead of low graphics and/or 30FPS. Now if you meant the older original Odin devices and not the Odin 2 line ... the Razer Edge, for pretty much the same reason as I'd pick an Odin 2 in the first scenario - the Edge is simply better at doing PS2 emulation (my favorite thing on these devices) than the RG556 or the older Odin line. The fact that the screen and controls would be better on the Edge is a bonus in this situation.

@@chemicalburrito782 yeah I meant the odin 2, so the Razer can also play all retro games like rg556?

@@Kaiser0109 If a retro game will play on an RG556, it'll play on the Edge - and will likely play *better* on the Edge. Anbernic DOES preinstall and preconfigure a lot of common retro emulators with their systems, though - so if you don't want to mess with setup you don't have to do a whole lot to get an RG556 going. With the Odin 2 and Edge, you have to install emulators yourself. For some people, having all that preinstalled like Anbernic does is a positive. (A lot of retro gamers delete/reinstall different versions of emulators on the RG556 anyway, but it's not required.)

I think the Linux builds benefit from having less stuff running in the background. I looked at Garlic - it's a shame that the drivers aren't there yet - it'd be interesting to try it out if they were.

I am going to do another video with some of the other (Android, since they can run Chrome for the test) devices that I have - including the RG405M. I already have the 405M video clip. It is ... kinda similar to the Retroid 3+. I've heard that they may have used different screens in the older vs newer ones (my RG405M is one of the newer ones with the upgraded shoulder buttons), so the results for mine might be different from yours if you have the older model. But the screen thing is rumor - could just be they glued them in better for the revision.

I think an older flagship COULD be a good deal - if you can get one with a good battery. I have had terrible luck in the past getting batteries with good remaining capacity on used phones, though.

If you're using the Wifi Edge, the game's going to be hit or miss because it really wants more RAM. You might have better luck rebooting the Edge and then starting ZZZ as the first app you run afterwards. You don't need to redownload - just attempt to start it again if it crashes. Once it gets past server login, it runs for a while unless you try to back out to another app, at least in my experience. That's why I noted in the video that the game crashes frequently - this video is using the Wifi Edge. (On the 5G model which has 8GB of RAM, the game starts up and runs every time. This is one case where the extra RAM actually matters.)

@@chemicalburrito782 thank you I shut down a lot of background stuff and hit force stop on things works now . 🥰🥰🥰

$165? That's not too bad of a price. What were you planning on doing with it?

You'd notice less blurring in fast transitions and turning the camera around on the Edge (you'd want the 8GB Edge model for the newest games like ZZZ, though I think the 6GB one runs WuWa fine). But the Odin 2 is giving you higher graphics settings across the board - which is definitely something for a game like WuWa. And it's still 60FPS on both devices - you just get more motion blur on the Odin 2. I think if I had to choose for that game, I'd probably choose the Odin 2 like you did.

That game needs all the cpu power it can get, edge would drop a lot more frames.

@@Nourin-fy3je I wouldn't recommend the Cube as your primary device for ZZZ because the screen is quite small for the game's interface. But it'd probably work to use the Cube as a secondary device for playing a bit when you're away from your main device.

@@chemicalburrito782 thanks

I have a video for that on my channel .

The official Anbernic case is the one I had, and it's fine. (The reason my device died wasn't due to the case - I'm leaning towards it being a manufacturing defect that put too much stress on the OLED screen internally and it just eventually cracked on its own.) The good news with finding a case the RG505 is that it's basically a rectangular slab that doesn't need a bottom molded specifically to the device so there are a lot of cases on Amazon for it if you didn't get the official.

What are the moonlight numbers on odin mini 2 ?

I generally like my iPhone, but there are times when I want to either throw it into the ocean or give it the Dankpods treatment with a lightning-cable equivalent of his Maraca Cracker. Finding out what had been done to my test videos after going through all those frames was ... one of those times! The green screen trick for the slides that I'm using is a fairly simple thing to do with OBS - and one I use sometimes when recording videos for students. I have three sources set up on top of each other: On top there's my camera with the green chroma key filter applied. In the middle, there's an image source (the slides), and then on the bottom there's a third source - which is a duplicate of the first camera feed, but with no chroma key filter. So if I just put my hands - or other objects - on the desk, they will be on top of the slide, otherwise the slide is visible on top of the desk in the recorded video. So I can just point out things on the slides live and see what I'm doing on my monitor.

@@chemicalburrito782 Doh, that’s obvious in hindsight. And yeah while I can’t help swearing at my Apple devices at times (or iTunes, oh my god I’ve lost so much hair to iTunes on Windows), on the whole they’re a good experience.

Wifi Edge like the one I have? The Wifi Edge has 6GB RAM, which is less than what ZZZ wants to run comfortably. I have had the best luck running the game right after rebooting the Edge so there's less stuff running in the background. Even then you sometimes have to start the game more than once before it gets in without crashing. It's sad because the Edge has plenty of CPU power for the game once you get it to run... Once the game starts on the Edge, it will generally run fine for quite a while. (I'm doing a couple of combat commissions right now on my Edge, in fact!)

@@TheFalco708 I think you’re mainly seeing the capture card delay there if you’re comparing the full screen video to the superimposed camera footage.

​@@chemicalburrito782 no the capture card replay is actually in advance to the camera footage idk could you make more input lag test with game emulator and compare it to the ps vita maybe?

The problem here is not so much the Odin 2 itself - it's got a lot of power. The main issue here is that the best PS2 emulation software on Android right now is AetherSX2 (and NetherSX2 which is essentially a binary patch to AetherSX2 to get rid of ads and update game default configurations). AetherSX2 is currently dead in terms of development ... so there are games that work a lot better on PC devices simply because performance-killing bugs that are in AetherSX2 have been fixed in PCSX2 for the PC. I think if you want a system that's as close to "everything just works" for PS2 as possible, you're going to want something like an Ally X, a Legion Go, possibly an OLED Deck, etc. (Just not the Anbernic WIN600 ... just ... no.) Now to be fair to the Odin 2 (I mean ... I like the Odin 2!), a LOT of PS2 games DO fall into the "Just bump the resolution up to 3X and don't touch anything else" category. And as long as you're sticking to Android, the original Odin 2 is probably still the best option for price to performance.

​@@chemicalburrito782 At the end of the day it doesn't really matter whether it's the software or hardware (and I don't think it's always that clear which it is). I don't want to make too big a deal out of this, but I just had the wrong idea about the state of PS2 on the Odin 2 (I thought it was closer to a Deck in that regard). Same goes for the Switch, I think. You just always have to take what you hear online with a grain of salt. That's why raw gameplay tests like this are very useful. I actually had a Deck, and loved it but had ergonomic issues with it. Mostly the weight.

I installed it on my Edge and it seems to work fine, at least from running it for about an hour or so. Not launching with native controller support is pretty pathetic for an action game released in 2024, though. That said, you can use the Nexus app that comes with the Edge to map the sticks and buttons for the game if you like.

@@chemicalburrito782 did you notice any frame drops? Any lag during combat? I play on my iPhone 11 and it’s pretty bad. Was hoping I get this for better quality gaming.

@@chemicalburrito782 I appreciate you doing this . Thank you kindly 🙏

@@j.ctheanimated1146 I think if you want high settings *and* 60FPS, you probably want go Odin 2. If you don't mind backing down some on the graphics settings, you can play at 60fps on the Edge. I won't say that there's no frame drops *at all* ... but the combat felt smooth. The device gets warm, but its been running the game for a couple of hours now and hasn't overheated. The fan runs the whole time, though. I think what the Edge (and Odin, for that matter) really get you over the iPhone for these games is the active cooling. I have an iPhone 12 Pro and it seems to thermally throttle at the drop of a hat when gaming ... so the performance starts off really nice but it can't keep it up.

@@chemicalburrito782 I would get the Odin but I like that with the razer I can switch to my preferred gamepad/controller. If you can make a video of this game on it , it would be very much appreciated sir.

@@DSolo59 High performance mode was on for the Odin twins. I usually use that when testing new PS2 games so I just leave it that way.

To try to keep things consistent among the devices, I am pushing the button as fast as I can and starting the frame count when the button has been completely pressed. This is, of course, not perfect ... but I think it is more reproducible than starting the count at the beginning of the press because - as you say - the buttons have different travel distances.

I used Gamepad Tester mainly because I was curious to see what the response time was independent of any lag introduced by the various emulators - and also "green light goes on" is pretty easy to see on my camera along with the button press. I would say that there might be something else going on between retroarch and the Odin 2 hardware (drivers?), but the Odin 2 Mini is more responsive than the original Odin 2 and they're nominally the same hardware with a different screen for the Mini. (Like some of the people on Reddit, I "felt" that the Mini was more responsive than the original 2 ... but wanted to see some actual data.)

@@chemicalburrito782 I've seen people speculating that the LCD panel on the Odin 2 has higher latency, which is a plausible theory when a different display tech on the Odin 2 Mini seems to be outperforming it. Now we just need some kind of comprehensive testing for input lag in the different emulators. I know Yuzu just does not feel great on my Odin 2. It might be game-dependent. I can't play Spelunky 2 through Yuzu on my Odin 2 at all, it feels terrible. I can literally play the same game through remote play on other devices and it feels better than it does emulating locally on my Odin 2.

@@chemicalburrito782 hey, you know what a interesting test would be? Stock gpu drivers vs turnip drivers. I don't know if this is placebo or not, but Hollow Knight felt terrible on odin2 yuzu using qualcomm drivers, but after I switched to turnip, it became more tolerable. Anyway, thanks for all the testing you've been doing. I would definetely get a odin2 mini if I could, instead of my regular odin2, because latency is a big deal to me.

That sounds about in line with my updated results - on the gamepad tester I got 20-ish ms slower response from the original Odin 2 than the other Android devices (except the Edge which was the speed demon in terms of response time - especially if you kick in the 144Hz screen refresh). I do think the margin of error here is going to be somewhat high just because of my testing setup being very low-budget.

@@MisterDrumsNoob I think the general consensus is "use the turnip drivers unless they just don't work". You think the difference in feel you're seeing between the two drivers is a frame pacing issue, maybe?

@@RowanLace The thing about Vita3K is that aside from the Turnip drivers for Snapdragon devices, there’s not a whole lot you CAN tweak. Literally all I’ve done to get the controls to work on BL2 is to install the normal game, install the 1.09 update, make sure PSTV mode is set to on, and launch the game. It’s possible that there might be an issue with the update not installing correctly?

Ayn has its own charger buy you have to buy it separately, both consoles supports fast charging. Personally I simply use my phone's charger instead.

Both of these Odin 2 devices come with only a cable - there's no charger brick included. As you can see in the video, they both support fast charging at 25W max, so as long as you get a brick that supports at least 25W charging if you want the fastest charge possible you should be good to go. Personally, I usually use: the 65W charger that came with my ROG Ally, an Anker Powerport III 65W, or my Anker 521 power strip (30W USB-C) at my computer desk - whichever one I happen to be nearest when I need a charge. And all three of these charge the Odins at 25W - unless I'm also charging my phone on the 521 and that drops it to 20W).

Seemed appropriate, at least! I'll admit that I didn't finish the game when I first played it way back in 2008(I think) ... but having it on the Odin may help.