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Yeah it’s certainly understandable! Just look forward to them standing on their own. Same for the coming Chinese cameras. Leica getting their nasty finance scheme hands into any of these means we all pay the price.

L mount should have way more compact options!

​@@LIGHTHUNTER.D- it actually already has them. The Sigma ISeries are perfect but of course I would like to see more options, who wouldnt?

@@jackrussellt2211 ehhhh the most compact are the slowest, and they’re not really that small for the apertures they offer IMO. I had almost all of them. Nature of the L mount means keeping out a lot of the most interesting manufacturers right now.

Appreciate you watching! He flagged this video to not be played in Sweden while it was set for a premiere. Validates the whole thing.

I’m all for others copying it! Nikon arguably already did with the Imaging Cloud setup they announced, but unfortunately it’s only for new releases currently. And despite me criticizing it pretty hard, I’m glad you’re enjoying it. There are a ton of great tools out there for different people, I just don’t want to see them get more expensive and prohibitive.

The whole video is relevant to the title bud

I believe that would have to be in the lenses, but I’m not sure if a camera has had one before

It had been done before. All they have to do is putting the shutter behind rear lens element. I don’t think it will happen. But, I don’t mind focal plane shutter neither, in the new body.

Here is a question, what if they make the camera, much like a sigma fp or Panasonic s9, with only electronic shutter for simplicity, with m mount and east to calibrate optical rangefinder? I think I would go for it too.

@@weizhang6979 as long as it scans fast enough, that can be fine. Issues usually pop up under artificial light and with flash though

Z7 is plenty compact IMO. Close enough to APS-C bodies with the right lens, that they will be perceived the same

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D I still notice the extra 200g around my neck though. A Fuji body plus a Fujicron is the same weight as just the Z7 body

@@drchtct nothing wrong with that setup either! I’ve added weight to my Z7 with a metal grip just because it feels more substantial and balances better.

Thank you 🙏 lmk what you think

That is a killer setup, and I've seen the Zeiss is one of the sharpest 35's out there. Easily adaptable to digital if you ever go that route too. You on IG?

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D Not on Instagram. I am on Flickr under the name "Narsuitus"

Thanks for watching 🙏

A digital Canon 7s or P would rock too, but they’ll never do it. TTArtisan is the best hope 🙏

The 40mm f2 is hard to beat from everything I’ve seen. Good choices!

Fair! This and the OG Z6 would at least be relatively affordable

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D AGREE! I have a Z8 and GFX100S but I'll still choose the z6 with a 40F2 or 28F2.8 for small outings. Had the camera for years, completely submerged it in a lake for a full min or so and still clicking!

@@bryanwiththeheart it’s a beast for that one haha. 40mm f2 seems like a cult classic now

Yeah it’s been solid as far as I can see. Not sure how much it varies lens to lens without doing a bunch of tests, versus other systems, etc. to see firsthand, but that was one of the main reasons I didn’t go Sony after the switch. And I’m not spending SL money haha. Combined with the TZM-02 now, whatever I can adapt to M becomes way more useful. The Pearl River 58mm used in this is a Minolta mount lens

I certainly hope so! Leica gets to keep their purist experience, and we arguably get the best of all worlds.

That’s some serious glass right there too! Kind of hoping they, or another OEM, make a 90mm f2 soon.

Thank you! Long way to go

Great time for third party these days

Thanks for watching 🙏

Chinese manufacturers are killing it these days

Nikon Z7

You’re welcome! Thanks for watching

Yeah the II/IIX make infinitely more sense and are solid cameras. Even an A7C tier EVF and hotshoe would’ve gone a long way

A new Pen F would be great if they actually update the internals and sensor

You think you need first hand experience to understand anything? LOL 😂😂😂 Aside from just understanding cameras in general, I owned both fp models that have similar compromises. Sorry bot, your logic falls apart instantly.

Cope however you need to. What I said is true. The camera is an insult to everyone in the hobby/profession. Thanks for the Reddit explanation despite me being open about not having my S5IIx for quite some time now 🤣

Even funnier, I just checked Richard Wong’s video on the subject and verbatim: “The Real Time LUT photo profile uses the V-Log as the base photo profile” 🤣🤣

S5 got a bad rep unnecessarily. Focus be damned, ended up being an insane deal when prices dropped. They’ve lost their way

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D yes ! I think it's an emotional/financial decision product. Because their others products are game changing for the price, like the S5ii/x or the old s1h when it was launch. What do you think ?

I think every release prior to this was to impress the market and grab market share. Now, if they’re settling into the amount they’ve acquired, they’re ready to raise costs and inflate the value of the brand. Pure finance

Yeah the “it’s just different, not better or worse” arguments really have people convinced they should pay the same as FF. But then they recognize MF is more expensive because it’s marginally better image quality lol. Very odd

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D I never worked on me! I have no problems with crop be it APS-C of Micro 4/3, but clearly there is a difference (low light/DR etc). Crop is certainly good enough, but it has to offer better prices to entice people. I just see no reason for dumping down the best part of 2 grand on a crop body camera. Going to 40mp with X Mount, was marketing again, almost nobody can see the difference (which is tiny at best)

100%. Instead of going for volume to get more users, they’ve simply increased rent on photographers already in the systems. Sad because someone starting with a more affordable crop body will likely end up a longer term fan, getting into FF, etc.

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D Look at how many Micro 4/3 people suddenly started using full frame when Pannie came out with L mount! One brand ambassador spent years telling people about FF and how they didn't need it, only to buy Sony E mount FF system when he was dropped/left the Olympus Ambassador program. Mix in the bargain DSLR stuff out there and it's hard to justify the prices.

Yeah my wild prediction there is the LX version will never come. I think they might only keep the premium Leica version. Total shot in the dark/no precedent, I know. The APS-C 18mm TL is still the only official AF one in the whole line!

So couple things. EVFs are good, and while it’s not easy to have OVFs because of not having a mirror, it is actually possible. The X100 and X-Pro series have the best of both worlds. Not every camera is going to have that design, but certainly rangefinder style bodies could have more options that do have that. I would argue the HVF has sublated the previous options. Probably the most alarming aspect of the S9, is that they’re calling this their new entry level. With less than barebones features. Likely in an attempt to charge more on the new mid and high level options. I wouldn’t recommend new photographers get this for a similar reason I wouldn’t suggest an X100 as their one and only camera. They will end up missing out on things that could impact their experience in a way that pushes them away from the hobby. I see a lot of disappointed people trying to offload impulse X100s for this reason (assuming that’s all legitimate). Someone getting a small body like this with all its compromises will likely disappoint them, and they can get so much more out of the S5,II, and IIX. And for the lens, yeah there are a plethora of options that prove it was unnecessary to make that compromise.

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D But if you look into camera history, the rangefinder was replaced by the SLR camera and for good reason. With an SLR you could see what the camera could because of the mirror. While you could add a rangefinder style viewfinder, as the X Pro series have, they do not see the actual shot you have framed, because lenses zoom. Sure a rangefinder works on a fixed focal length camera like the X100 series, but thats because its a 23mm lens that the optical viewfinder is tuned to. So to answer your question, no, you cannot give a mirrorless camera a rangefinder type optical viewfinder, without it being as much use as a chocolate fireguard. While at £1500 the S9 is not cheap, look how much all entry level models are these days? Sony, Fuji, all the new APS-C models are approaching £1400-£1500 too. Sure the S9 has compromises, the digital shutter did seem an odd choice, but to fit a mechanical one, its claimed that it would have added bulk and weight. Ignore the camera if its not for you. Maybe Lumix will release and S9Pro, with the missing bits. Maybe slightly bigger, with better cooling, 3.6million dot EVF, Prores internal, and a mechanical shutter, for £1900. Basically a compact S6iiX

@@NatsWright you’re telling me things I explained in this same video haha. I know the history, and those aren’t technically real rangefinders either. It’s not a question either, you can 100% give a mirrorless camera an OVF. The bodies I mentioned have that included in their HVF. APS-C bodies are getting overpriced too. The whole market is (did a whole video about MFT), which I’ve been critiquing. And will continue to, along with the S9.

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D lol, but a mirrorless camera with an ovf is a DSLR, with a mirror and pentaprisum. It's very hard to add that to a rangefinder body and why dslr cameras have their classic shape, for the mirror and prisum. I strongly disagree on this point, mirrorless cameras were a natural evolution from a DSLR. Note that prior to mirrorless, there were upgraded DSLR cameras, budget was pentamirror, better was pentaprisum. The higher offerings had more AF points too, another limitation of the design that mirrorless are better at. You are essentially criticizing progress in camera tech!!

@@NatsWright I think you have too black and white of a view on this. It’s a dialectical view of progress, and not an abstract idea of progress. Directly in the video I acknowledge the there was a path of development and all these things change, it doesn’t mean they’re just 100% wholly better because they’re new. And technically, you can slap an OVF on anything it just won’t be parallax corrected.

Lowering standards and the people are fed up

Agreed! A new MFT body with any of the pancakes or the 25mm would be killer. Also miss the design language of the LC1

no weather sealing also to add to that long list unfortunately😥

It’s certainly curious the longer they go without one! 28mm + 50mm is my favorite combo. The 24mm f2 i-Series is good, but I’m less comfortable with 24 all the time.

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D I can’t do 24mm all the time, tried that with the Fuji 16 1.4 and it never quite clicked with me like 28mm does. Have decided to just get a sigma 28-70 2.8 since it seems compact enough and I really only want a zoom range from 28-50 (also my two fave focal lengths) The extra 20mm on the long end is just icing on the cake

@rudermanphoto very solid! Never got to try that one, but there were a lot of days of the just rocking the 24-70 Art on my S5IIX. So I imagine it’s similar and lighter

For me...a non video kinda guy...lens availability tops camera choice every day of the week...Sony...Canon...and even Nikon DSLR tops L mount glass. Cheers

@@georgemahlum6542 I have 2 F mount lenses adapted to my Z7. Sigma 24-35 f2, and 135 f1.8. Killer combo and relatively affordable. People sleep on the DSLR glass

FP-L is good in its own right. Just protect that USB port

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D is that what broke on yours?

@@numerounotg yessir. Idk if it was leaving the DPL SSD on for so long or switching it out with the EVF, but eventually it quit reading anything

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D Thats not great. I have all the add ons from DPL too. I hope it won't damage the port in any way 🤞

I think DPL made some amazing stuff, so I certainly don’t want to rush to blame them. Likely just time and switching things out.

Might be decent with a hefty price drop. Still say fp all the way

Thanks for watching! Expensive lens ecosystem (for the fast stuff) but most definitely does. Ideally I’d like to always keep the channel open source/funded through digital and real products.

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D if only other UA-camrs followed this strategy we wouldn't be duped into buying gimmicks and hype. Thanks for the great video. New subscriber.

Oh I know lol

That was the point when I realized this was a troll video/channel lol

The II?! Wowie

Appreciate you watching! Is what it is, takes time to grow.

Yup Lumix told Gerald undone to prepost a title for the S9 before he even got his hands on it. Gerald responded by saying are you insane and declined the offer. Mad respect to this UA-camr and Gerald.

It's sad to so many niche UA-camrs try to get credibility by bashing this camera when they haven't get one in their hands. What can i learn from someone who not even use this camera.

@@ryszardzokowski812 you think you need first hand experience to understand anything? LOL Aside from just understanding cameras in general, I owned both fp models that have similar compromises. Sorry bot, your logic falls apart instantly.

You can't take any critique do you? I don't do any thing to offend you, but here you are telling me i am bot. So new YT review is coming - telling everything about camera, without even actually using camera.

Agreed. Increasing costs instead of going for volume is a massive mistake. Do you plan on leaving the MFT system eventually?

🤣 brutal

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D you should hear my inner voice opinion

You very well could be right. Would be much better, but I would need one in my hands again to know

Appreciate you watching! This release definitely drew lines in the sand for a lot of people with the shilling

Haha yeah no way. Flawless victory for the fp

The S5IIX is really good. This one, not so much. And it’s what we do haha

i was thinking the thing after my 5th S9 video of the day, but I do own Lumix - for me, it's the slow down on the freeway to look at a car crash....just can't help myself.

Nikon has a Z 28 f2.8, not a pancake but small and light. The release of Panasonic S8 with a 26 f8 is a joke.

@@michaelajoseph6856 28 and 26 oddly enough. 26 is their absolute smallest

@@LIGHTHUNTER.D yes the 26mm is smallest but what I have is the 28 and 40. I was wondering if protecting Leica makes sense. A lot of people went to Sony and Nikon instead. But many are brand loyal too. The time will tell which is the best strategy.