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Ahoy, I didn't get any notification for your comment sry! Yes, I kinda travelled all over the place, but a lot has changed since then. I'm lvl 91, and I feel my build is ready to create and upload an actual build guide for the Invoker. The build feels amazing, and tanky AF.

Hi! Yes, but we lose some power from the secondary ascendancy. You just have to scale back a bit. The build is very much doable and how I would approach it: Get one tier back in triggering the spells in both attack speed and cdr, I mean one breakpoint less. Then there won't be pressure for cooldown recovery and also you won't need frenzy charges. So you will have more freedom with the belt. Getting back the mana could also be more problematic without the instant leech, but!!!! you can just use lvl 1 spell gems. All the damage is coming from the energy blade, the level of the gems are irrelevant. All together the build will loose some power, but it would be still roughly the same. And you can also check out the new stuff. The retaliation skill with that much damage effectiveness looks like a huge button to press. (with this much block you can spam it if you want to).

Forgot the power charges. Could do a power charge on crit with the tempest shield or the retaliation skill.

Assassins mark and mark on hit?

Could do it yes, but then you would lose the Snipers Mark splitting.

Hi! Yes, but we lose some power from the secondary ascendancy. You just have to scale back a bit. The build is very much doable and how I would approach it: Get one tier back in triggering the spells in both attack speed and cdr, I mean one breakpoint less. Then there won't be pressure for cooldown recovery and also you won't need frenzy charges. So you will have more freedom with the belt. Getting back the mana could also be more problematic without the instant leech, but!!!! you can just use lvl 1 spell gems. All the damage is coming from the energy blade, the level of the gems are irrelevant. All together the build will loose some power, but it would be still roughly the same. And you can also check out the new stuff. The retaliation skill with that much damage effectiveness looks like a huge button to press. (with this much block you can spam it if you want to).

Forgot the power charges. Could do a power charge on crit with the tempest shield or the retaliation skill.

@@mefi_ Hi thanks for replying! Had the most fun I’ve had on this game building this during wildwood, every small upgrade felt very impactful and the build itself was really satisfying. Spent a lot of currency reaching the highest attack speed breakpoint last time, was very fun to do, but I also don’t have as much time to play so it’s a relief I don’t have to do that now 😅 will look into retaliation like you said and maybe some of the new stuff. Thanks again for replying!

Ahoy, it still should be in the game. To be clear, it does not return by default. What changed is the behaviour of the returning projectiles either with return proj support or nimis.

@@mefi_ got me a chicken axe in SSF and been on a cyclone kick. Started cyclone Slayer, working on a COC vortex build and was thinking about doing a fire build with this for kicks.. zerker or jugg maybe? Haven't used this axe since before blight league lol

I last used it in Breach league :D I'm planning using it with either a Berserker or a Raider. For maximum / optimal trigger rate you need a ton of attack speed, like above 30 / sec.

@@mefi_ didn't know that, so if I do jug it would have to be a strength/accuracy stack I guess

It should be balanced between trigger rate and the damage itself. Accuracy stacking with Jugg can be an option yes, absolutely. How good would it be, I don't know. And now that I'm thinking about this build, another skill that could help with the trigger rate is rage vortex of berserking. That would add triggers on top of your chosen skill's hit rate, and it would be much-much easier to hit the maximum trigger rate for the Molten Burst hmmm... So 6 socket (not linked) chicken axe with supports, main 6L skill in chest, and another 4L for the rage vortex could work. The Axe itself doesn't care what causes a hit (if it comes from your weapon).

yeah I was thinking about it. The biggest issue is that all the balls hit at the very same time going out and also when returning. That's not ideal for CoC because of the cooldown. If there were a slight delay between the balls hitting enemies, would be an absolutely amazing weapon for CoC. I'm pretty sure some people tried to work with it, and maybe I'll also try it out in 3.24. All depends on how much time do I have to play POE.

ahoy, sorry for the late reply, I simply didn't have time to play POE since my last upload. Is it possible? yes absolutely. More or less the same can be achieved but on a higher budget, since we don't have the power from primalist. The biggest issue that you have to fix is the crit chance. The simplest (but not cheapest) way is to just scale int and str to much-much higher levels and those problems would be solved. The attack speed and the triggering rate might be one tier lower, but then you don't need that much CDR and also it would be much easier on the mana-cost side of things. You could also switch it up and go with another class or with another triggering skill, or maybe both. I'm also thinking about creating something similar but maybe with a Scion / Ascendant, and... splitting steel? I could also utilize the Ralakesh boots and a maven belt. I guess I'll try it out with my second build in the league and make a video about the success or fail.

ahoy, sorry for the late reply, I simply didn't have time to play POE since my last upload. I'm thinking about... - Toxic Rain ballistas Pathfinder (very solid, the cost of the build is also literally under 50c to get into red maps) <-- but maybe not since I did this in 3.23 - Cold DOT Trickster (can be now cheap since not "meta" and people dont need those items) <-- I still think that it is a very good build, even after some nerfs - Shockwave totem hiero maybe? Since Astral proj is in the base drop pool, you dont need to buy it for 2-3 divines at leaguestart - Generic Lightning arrow Deadeye and then later Ele hit with wands, also trying out the new wisps support thingy Usually I have multiple build ideas in my mind and make a decision like... 20 mins before the leagustart :D I never really have a planned out Passive tree or items, and I just go with the flow and then refine my build You should check out Ben's or TyTy's recommendations, the Mathil "what builds did I make" video and the other trustworthy createor's recommendations (like Ziz) too. All in all, dont just start a build because its really good for leaguestart, start a build that looks interesting and fun to you. Nothing worse than having that good build that you hate to play at leaguestart. Only did it once, never again :D

@@mefi_ I'm trying out a lightning conduit run currently. Did Fuzzy Ducksys Lightning Strike and that wasn't a bad run, tried a siege ballista totem build from PoeGuy but I wasn't so sure about it and did a DD run, DD is solid but kind of boring imo. Other thoughts are perhaps a splitting steel build or maybe try my hand at a golem build as I've only done Srs Guardian for minions. Interesting you suggest Mathil I was told to stay away since mathil makes builds for mathil lol.

...I hate DD, unless it is in a CoC build. But then Volatile Dead is just much-much more fun to play. I have the same feelings about SRS. It is (or was) a great build but It just didn't work for me. Golems are awesome because most of the tree is... very generic. You can do whatever you want with those. Unless you mean the Golems doing the damage. I consider Mathil's builds as a great source of inspiration for my own builds. He makes a duckton of builds each league, sometimes doing some funky stuff. You can just see some skills and interactions in action in his videos, you will have the necessary understand how that particular build works, and then you can make your own twist on it. This is how I ended up with the Energy Blade CoC Inquisitor (Icea Spear / Soulrend) build I played the most. Inspired by Mathil's energy blade video.

@@mefi_ Yeah I really enjoyed that CoC build, kind of want something with some level of regen either HP or ES so I’m not super reliant on flasks or even something with good flask regen. TR isn’t bad at all just can feel kind of clunky to me at times I guess but there’s not doubt it’s a smooth skill. It is one of the things I practiced and might be on the list. But it’s not a build I’m crazy about. I love pops but there hasn’t been a build I’ve been crazy about that has prolif in it. Did a lightning conduit play through yesterday and it feels good damage wise.. But the tree I followed had very few hp nodes, was paper thin by A10 kitava and all my crafts had to be res so not much life on campaign gear.

ahoy, sorry for the late reply, I simply didn't have time to play POE since my last upload. You can absolutely make this build without the Nimis. With Ice Spear the damage is still really good without it, and if you want to have huge clear with Soulrend you can just use the return proj.

ahoy, sorry for the late reply! I'm not sure, unfortuantely I didnt really have time to play the game since this upload. SO I could not experiment enough with the item. I guess that project is now moved into 3.24 for me

ahoy, sorry for the late reply, I simply didn't have time to play POE since my last upload. For Corrupted blood I have the... thing... Pantheon? For generic poison and bleed i would not worry too much. The build has awesome recovery and regen. The only thing that means a real danger is the ground degen effects.

ahoy, sorry for the late reply, I simply didn't have time to play POE since my last upload. I dont fully understand this question THe auras that uses your life... well some of them use percentage of your life and some of them flat amount. The exact aura levels only works if you have the exact max life as me. I guess you just need to adjust the aura gem levels. I hope you could solve this issue since then, again sorry for the late reply

The buff I talk about is that they changed the molten burst's projectile returning behavior.

I know I know :D Created a filter just for this content on the next day or so.

Well.... Return proj would be better for map clear, but for almost everything else: single target DPS, ES recovery on hit with insta leech etc, GMP is better. I'd use GMP unless I really want to have some big clearing capabilities. But for big clear, swapping the Ice Spear for Soulrend of Spiral would be even better. And with that return proj is better instead of GMP. Glad you like the build!

@@mefi_perfect. Gem swapping on console is very cumbersome and we need a safe area to pull it off. So I’m going to try ice spear w/gmp full time and see how it goes. Soulrend is very awesome for clear but single target takes awhile. Also, I was thinking about using the eyes of the greatwolf ammy with increase attributes and attack damage. Any thoughts on this? Cheers.

eyes of the greatwolf can be an upgrade especially with a juicy incr attributes + crit dmg multiplier. Just by the increased attributes is better or not than an astramentis depends on your stats and gear. the bug downside is that the greatwolf amu is by default corrupted so you cant get any implicit on it, like attack speed.

@@mefi_ gotcha. Tyvm for quick replies.

Thank you very much, I'm very artist! :D

I'm not sure, I didn't do the math in POB, ....but I'd use 5 flasks. 4 of them would be always on full (4 magic utility), so getting flask charges on crit can go to your 5th flask which is the coruscating elixir. Unless you still want to use the shaper or the oriath flask. With 2 Unique flasks... maybe the charge on crit would be still enough to support 2 flasks. The thing is with that stat, you can only get 1 charge maximum every 0.1 sec (CDR doesnt matter there), and only one of the flasks can get that 1 charge. I'd keep the other 2 ele flasks too, and then you have free 2 options (if you dont use the unique flasks). Movement Speed + onslaught with increased effectiveness could be huge, meaning you can change your boots to a tailwind + elusive one. That would mean a betteer overall movement speed with a regular cyclone rather than the Tumult version. But you need to try everything out first in POB first. The smoothness of the build would increase I think, but it wouldn't be better on bosses. On bosses you could try adding the damage flask maybe. YOu also have to calculate wht are the other things taht you loose with the belt, like the CDR and the attributes. A lot would change then. Maybe the Mageblood route is only better if you also go all out on the double Split Pers jewels tech. ...I'll also copy another longer answer to another question about the possible upgrades, maybe that helps you to think it through. copy-pasta: "Well... I think I mentioned 2 potential ways in the video, with better split perosnality jewels: str / int, going through a long route and adjusting the passive tree. If you can hit big str and int attribute numbers, then you can be crit capped without the power charges and the crit on max power charges. That enables you to look around for more options on the charms and the new was taken jewel. How much better would this be? I don't know, but I'm sure that instead of hovering around 8k ES, you coudl push it to well above 10k. Would it cost you some defensiveness? I don't know. Maybe, some. But you can balance it on your passive tree. Unfortunately this build is kind of rigid with items, so there aren't too many thing s you could change. A big upgrade could be a Mageblood. Like getting a ton of movement speed and onslaught besides the 3 ele flasks could be huge. Then you could switch your boopts to give you tailwind and CDR or tailwind and elusive. YOu have to think aboput what are you loosing with the belt though. Getting back the CDR is importannt, so... maybe from charms and the it was taken jewel? That could be an option. With these changes I believe the numbers swould be higher and maybe the gameplay would be smoother. With onslaught and the increased effectiveness of it, you could switch probably form the cyclone of tumult to the regular cyclone and speed through maps, instead of having that 150% base movement speed. Some other thigns you could improive, without any comprimises are the gems. Like the awakened GMP gem, That's "free" +1 proj, and that is huge for single target DMG. Also, without any serious downside, you could get a charm or was taken jewel with +1 proj, but those are expensive. Other stuff what I'm missing currenctly is the quality on the ring, to increase the chaos res, also you could craft a much-much better ring. SOme other implicits could be huge too, like +1 frenzy and the base crit on the gloves, other double corrupts, but again all of those would be really expensive and I'm not sure of how much would you get for your money. So all of these options either just reaaaally expensive or you really need to rethik the passive tree. So ultimately that's why I won' change anything. At this stage with this build I can literally do anything and I'd just pour the currency into other builds. If you try out something and succeed doing so, let us know with an update comment and / or a POB! Have fun with the build."

The way it returns has changed. It just used to "repeat itself at the same place where it landed" and now it actually returns. I tried it out in Crucible league and in tota too. This behavior changed in this patch. The whole video is about this change, and not that return proj works with the molten burst proc.

@@mefi_ i'm quite sure nimis molten strike did return the balls to the point of origin, rather than 'repeat in spot' in crucible. It's probably related to projectile speed stat being not enough

I'm not sure about that either. :D But... I'm positive that with a cyclone the chickenaxe will be able to clear somewhat juiced t16s, and non-uber pinnacle bosses on a lower / mid budget. The build slowly but surely started to feel good, and can also be very tanky.

You mean the Abyssal socket? Get a weapon, can be a white one handed anything from a vendor, get a Hollow Fossil www.poewiki.net/wiki/Hollow_Fossil and a resonator, the cheapest one that can hold only one fossil. Put the fossil in the resonator, then apply the resonator to the weapon. You will have 1 abyssal socket in it. add 2 more regular aocket, you can freely recolor and link them, and when you use the energy blade, all of those aockets will stay the same.

I have only upgraded the shield since then and got more es, almost 7.9k. I dont think that I will upgrade or change anything, since I can do all and every encounter / boss / farming with this build. So no, there is the original build guide and an update video. If someone wants to push it further with a mageblood or aplit pers jewels its up to them.

@@mefi_ Could u atleast say how to improve it more please more specific?

Well... I think I mentioned 2 potential ways in the video, with better split perosnality jewels: str / int, going through a long route and adjusting the passive tree. If you can hit big str and int attribute numbers, then you can be crit capped without the power charges and the crit on max power charges. That enables you to look around for more options on the charms and the new was taken jewel. How much better would this be? I don't know, but I'm sure that instead of hovering around 8k ES, you coudl push it to well above 10k. Would it cost you some defensiveness? I don't know. Maybe, some. But you can balance it on your passive tree. Unfortunately this build is kind of rigid with items, so there aren't too many thing s you could change. A big upgrade could be a Mageblood. Like getting a ton of movement speed and onslaught besides the 3 ele flasks could be huge. Then you could switch your boopts to give you tailwind and CDR or tailwind and elusive. YOu have to think aboput what are you loosing with the belt though. Getting back the CDR is importannt, so... maybe from charms and the it was taken jewel? That could be an option. With these changes I believe the numbers swould be higher and maybe the gameplay would be smoother. With onslaught and the increased effectiveness of it, you could switch probably form the cyclone of tumult to the regular cyclone and speed through maps, instead of having that 150% base movement speed. Some other thigns you could improive, without any comprimises are the gems. Like the awakened GMP gem, That's "free" +1 proj, and that is huge for single target DMG. Also, without any serious downside, you could get a charm or was taken jewel with +1 proj, but those are expensive. Other stuff what I'm missing currenctly is the quality on the ring, to increase the chaos res, also you could craft a much-much better ring. SOme other implicits could be huge too, like +1 frenzy and the base crit on the gloves, other double corrupts, but again all of those would be really expensive and I'm not sure of how much would you get for your money. So all of these options either just reaaaally expensive or you really need to rethik the passive tree. So ultimately that's why I won' change anything. At this stage with this build I can literally do anything and I'd just pour the currency into other builds. If you try out something and succeed doing so, let us know with an update comment and / or a POB! Have fun with the build.

there are a lot of ways to scale the attack speed to really high numbers with almost any skill onslaught + onslaught effect, frenzy charges, attack speed from passives and jewels, some ascendancy has special stuff like gladiator or berserker ofcourse it helps a lot if tou choose a skill that has high base attack speed like cyclone

@@mefi_ yes. I now but ideally we need prog melee skill. Molten strike / Vol fissure seems perfect, but proj do not have melee tag. Ms can be booted to may be 12 hit per sec.

just tried out cyclone of tumult on my current character, and it goes above 30 attacks per sec. The regular cyclone is just below 20. A frenzy could be also huge for single target and the AS should be great too. Will try out multiple melee skills to see and feel what could be the best.

Sounds great but... If I'd use molten strike that already has ball projectiles it might not worth using the chickenaxe. You could get a much faster weapon with much higher base damage. Or maybe with some str stacking with the brutus splinklers or the replica boots that gives chaos damage per str. I don't know, would need to play with the numbers in POB.

The balls got the repeat, but they just repeated at the same location. Vulcanic fiasure did the same thing. Now they return to the location of the trigger. Like molten strike. That's the change.

I guess I'll find it out in a week or 2. The endgame became more demanding but now we also have more tools to scale our builds.

ahoy, sorry for the late reply, I simply didn't have time to play POE since my last upload. so.... this proiject with all the 3 Bow that I started is... I guess just moved into3.24! :D

try steelmages build with which he farmed uber eater

Did you watch the explanation part of whats changed?

@@mefi_ yeah all bullshit and thanks for the flashbang. NOTHING CHANGED

ok...

@@mefi_ is there a pob?

I don't know when did this happen exactly but yes! Finally the returning projectiles are returning!

The good mods are basically the added phys and the extra attack speed. Unfortunately the supported by gems arent good. Like the fortify one, cuz it meeds a melee hit and the balls are projs.

ahoy, sorry for the late reply, I simply didn't have time to play POE since my last upload. so.... this project with all the 3 Bow that I started is... I guess just moved into3.24! :D

@@mefi_hello, 3.24 is calling 😅

You're right, I'll jump back and re-start 3.24. I want to try out this axe and the Saviour in this league.

The balls are attacks and they are using your weapon damage. So yes, it should work. That's the requirement for a Tincture. An attack that is using your weapon.

@@mefi_ Nice! Have to do it then!

I have a normal 16:9 aspect ratio monitor (1440p) and I play in windowed mode. You can drag the top and bottom and pull them closer. You will gett better visibility. There is a huge range with the camera zoom, you can find something that works for you.

@@mefi_ Okay, thanks, I'll try it

I tried it with nimis, but the returning part is the same so should work yes. With the support gem you loose a lot of damage, but ofcourse the Nimis can be an upgrade later. The returning pro support is still a big damage boost.

@@mefi_some of us play SSF, so we have to settle.

You know what, I'll push this build and kill an Uber with it! :D #chickenAxeNeedsSomeLove

I think this was more of a showcase of an interaction rather than a build, but sure.

@@mefi_ don't fall for bait, they're just trolling

The weaopn itself not so much. But the Damage is coming from the balls, you want to scale that and not the weapon hit.

How was the damage,I assume uber bossing is out of question but how about other non-uber content?

@@NKB_POE 33M+ in its current state with all gems maxed. im working on an extra curse astramentis for snipers mark. only thing that sucks is being stuck at 50% movement speed.

@@botmaster5why not just use stampedes? And anoint them for +1 curse, 2 birds with 1 pair of boots

@@botmaster5 I do have astramentis +1 curse :)))

When build loads up in Path of building it looks messed up regarding mana reserved, maybe he doesnt use some of auras. Fire resistance is 40%, but something is probably missing since there is no way he would play with 40% res all time. It looks like "build" needs serious work, he has HH but didnt invest in in important things. Defences are none. Life pool is in range squishy tornado shot players. Since he is not lvl 97-98 he probably leveled this in few days and didnt invest time in making it more durable.