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MysticalOS WoW
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If you want to watch a nerd analyze and develop for World of Warcraft, I'm your guy.
I analyze how things work in World of Warcraft, then apply that knowledge to help me develop the addon Deadly Boss mods (DBM)
I also share that analysis process with all of you, so you also know how the game works.
I also like to share gameplay How To videos when I feel I can provide a good service to all of you to help you play the game better. One such example is Skyriding. I love sharing my race tips
Lastly I'll cover WoW news and information in general when I feel it's relative to the channels audience (such as raids and mythic+ since my audience here is a lot of DBM users).
My other Channels:
Technology: youtube.com/@mysticalos_tech
RPG Games: www.youtube.com/@mysticalos_rpgs
Live Streams/Vods: www.youtube.com/@mysticalos_vods
I analyze how things work in World of Warcraft, then apply that knowledge to help me develop the addon Deadly Boss mods (DBM)
I also share that analysis process with all of you, so you also know how the game works.
I also like to share gameplay How To videos when I feel I can provide a good service to all of you to help you play the game better. One such example is Skyriding. I love sharing my race tips
Lastly I'll cover WoW news and information in general when I feel it's relative to the channels audience (such as raids and mythic+ since my audience here is a lot of DBM users).
My other Channels:
Technology: youtube.com/@mysticalos_tech
RPG Games: www.youtube.com/@mysticalos_rpgs
Live Streams/Vods: www.youtube.com/@mysticalos_vods
Azj Kahet - All Skyriding Gold Races
Step by step walkthrough of every gold timed race in Azj-Kahet. Learn my best skyriding tricks and where to use them.
Most skyracing videos out there just show you the course. I explain them step by step as I do them so you understand every trick deployed and action performed.
Where to pool vigor, where to sprint. Where to surge and where to skyward ascend.
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Intro
00:17 - Pit Plunge Reverse
01:49 - Pit Plunge Advanced
03:18 - Pit Plunge Normal
05:04 - Siegehold Scuttle Reverse
07:02 - Siegehold Scuttle Advanced
08:21 - Siegehold Scuttle Normal
09:50 - Weaver's Wing Reverse
11:15 - Weaver's Wing Advanced
12:55 - Weaver's Wing Normal
14:00 - Rak-Ahat Rush Reverse
15:51 - Rak-Ahat Rush Advanced
17:27 - Rak-Ahat Rush Normal
19:02 - Maddening Deep Dip Reverse
20:24 - Maddening Deep Dip Advanced
21:51 - Maddening Deep Dip Normal
23:01 - City of Threads Twist Reverse
24:52 - City of Threads Twist Advanced
26:25 - City of Threads Twist Normal
27:44 - Closing Thoughts
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Most skyracing videos out there just show you the course. I explain them step by step as I do them so you understand every trick deployed and action performed.
Where to pool vigor, where to sprint. Where to surge and where to skyward ascend.
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Intro
00:17 - Pit Plunge Reverse
01:49 - Pit Plunge Advanced
03:18 - Pit Plunge Normal
05:04 - Siegehold Scuttle Reverse
07:02 - Siegehold Scuttle Advanced
08:21 - Siegehold Scuttle Normal
09:50 - Weaver's Wing Reverse
11:15 - Weaver's Wing Advanced
12:55 - Weaver's Wing Normal
14:00 - Rak-Ahat Rush Reverse
15:51 - Rak-Ahat Rush Advanced
17:27 - Rak-Ahat Rush Normal
19:02 - Maddening Deep Dip Reverse
20:24 - Maddening Deep Dip Advanced
21:51 - Maddening Deep Dip Normal
23:01 - City of Threads Twist Reverse
24:52 - City of Threads Twist Advanced
26:25 - City of Threads Twist Normal
27:44 - Closing Thoughts
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Hallowfall - All Skyriding Gold Races
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Step by step walkthrough of every gold timed race in Hallowfall. Learn my best skyriding tricks and where to use them. Most skyracing videos out there just show you the course. I explain them step by step as I do them so you understand every trick deployed and action performed. Where to pool vigor, where to sprint. Where to surge and where to skyward ascend. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 00:27 - Ve...
The Ringing Deeps - All Skyriding Gold Races
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Step by step walkthrough of every gold timed race in The Ringing Deeps. Learn my best skyriding tricks and where to use them. Most skyracing videos out there just show you the course. I explain them step by step as I do them so you understand every trick deployed and action performed. Where to pool vigor, where to sprint. Where to surge and where to skyward ascend. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 00:...
Best Map Addons for Notable POI in The War Within
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Don’t miss rares, profession points, useful treasures, or get lost in Dornogal. I covered many of best WoW addons in last video on addons for the war within, but I wanted to do another to spend more time just talking about handynotes and navigation as well as give thorough advice on how to tailor them to your UI need so you can use them effectively and without clutter. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Looki...
Isle of Dorn - All Skyriding Gold Races
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Step by step walkthrough of every gold timed race on Isle of Dorn. Learn my best skyriding tricks and where to use them. Most skyracing videos out there just show you the course. I explain them step by step as I do them so you understand every trick deployed and action performed. Where to pool vigor, where to sprint. Where to surge and where to skyward ascend. TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Intro 00:16 - ...
Top WoW addons for war within (w/ Dev perspective)
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Top essential addons for each game activity, from an addon developer’s perspective, focusing on efficiency and avoiding bloat. I focus on the "Must Have" list only. The best WoW addons I personally use but with a caution to only picking what you need and only enabling it when you need it. My focus on a minimalistic "only what you need" will keep your game running smoothly. In addition, I also g...
Why Patch 11.0.2 breaks more addons
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With launch of World of Warcraft patch 11.0.2, more addons that are not yet updated will be broken. Here's why. In this short video, I explain why this is happening from a developer/addon author standpoint so you the player can understand why 11.0.2 is different from the pre patch we already had (11.0.0). TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 - Short Recap previous Addon Video 00:23 - How Patch 11.0.0 and 11.0.2 d...
WoW Addon Dev: Lessons learned making DBM
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I’ve learned a lot over the years developing World of Warcraft addons. It’s more than coding and analyzing the game. It’s analyzing my faults and users’ needs so I grow as a developer and meet those needs. In this video, I go over a few lessons over years and how I learned and pivoted from each lesson (not unlike blizzard and game dev in general). I hope you enjoy another behind the scenes insi...
WoW Addons: Disable stuff you don't use in DBM
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WoW Addons: How to setup or improve DBM timers
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Warband Banks strengths, weaknesses, and bugs
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Warband Banks strengths, weaknesses, and bugs
WoW Addons: How to set notes on dbm alerts
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Who is MysticalOS and what this channel covers
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WoW Update: 3 Big Changes to M+ in The War Within
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WoW Addons: Add enemy CD timers to nameplates easily
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War Within Pre-patch: Are Addons Ready?
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WoW Guide: How to be better at skyriding
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World of Warcraft: Annoying Bosses to analyze
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World of Warcraft: Annoying Bosses to analyze
WoW Addon to simulate entire boss fights.
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World of Warcraft: Analyzing in game bugs
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World of Warcraft: Analyzing in game bugs
World of Warcraft: Analyzing Spell Sequences
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World of Warcraft: Analyzing Spell queuing/collision
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World of Warcraft: Analyzing Spell queuing/collision
Proving Grounds Trivialized. Earn easy achievements/titles
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Steelcase Leap: An honest, no BS review
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Apple's push into AAA gaming called a "flop". Why this is wrong
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That last reverse course is the most toxic thing I've ever experienced.
there are definitely 2 or 3 like that across all the zones.
Good tips, after struggling for a bit I finally finished all isle of dorn golds thanks to you. Keep up the good work!
Glad I could help!
Hey man, another banger of a video. As a wow-player myself struggling with computer-performance, these videos, especially the part about hitching, was very educating. Thank you and keep informing us about the "dark development side" of wow!
I'm curious why we need fingerless gloves
the gloves are to reduce pain and stiffness. look up compression gloves. they help a lot with arthritis
Hello, I see you played on mac. Do you have flickering problems some times, for example in upper dawn of infinity dungeon, when I flied background world has terrible flickering issues. Maybe do you know how fix it? I playing wow on mac m2 pro last year
sometimes yes. i just ignore it since it’s scarce enough.
Need refactoring 2025 hehe
The bosses shown, have been changed multiple times. Most recent yesterday. I've had to analyze spell queuing in this dungeon multiple times now.
Way beyond my skill set, but i bet people appreciate your work!
thanks
Holy cow this is exactly the stuff I need to start making some mod ideas I've had. So glad I've found you 🎉
glad it helps
Hey, love the video 🙂 I game on the mac too and play in window mode the same like you. But I am not able to stretch wow on both sides (left and right) so I have gap there and can see my desktop background image. How did you do that wow covers whole desktop area, please?
That's actually 11.x bug, it's not supposed to do that, I just sort of got used to it. It's supposed to behave the way it always did and respect resolution scale. instead when I go into windowed mode it just adds pixels on left and right. it's not stretching image at least, it just changes resolution to match the odd non standard resolution. i do know it's kinda triggered by using UIScale at a fixed number, and then toggling between full screen and windowed mode using "command M". in fact you can probably trigger it by going into full screen, setting resolution to "default" then hitting command M.
I mean leave the game? Get a second monitor 😂
That's fair, but still gotta search. :P
In the streamers defence why should you go an splash out on another monitor just to look up something. Blizzard is lazy and should put map icons on themselves!!!
I quite like Leatrix Maps (though I only use it in classic). Adds a bunch of useful stuff that retail adds later. Like flight paths, dungeon entrances, and entrances / exits to zones. Though it also includes other features too.
Oh for sure, classic a diff beast entirely. leatrix is basically goto there.
Leave your top handynotes or other map addon suggestions in comments. If there are any other addon categories or just specific mods you'd like me to deep dive more as well, let me know. Also, if you liked this video, I did another on many more great addons for The War Within you might like as well
Great content! Thanks so much!
Glad it helped!
I think even KT in Vanilla Wow had some pretty complicated spell queing.
Possibly, but vanilla's issues were more along the lines that back then most bosses weren't designed with consistency in mind. Being that bosses had much fewer mechanics, they tended to lean on what mechanics bosses did have to have a MUCH larger cooldown variance. so instead of 8 abilities that happen ever x seconds consistently (minus spell queuing). it'd be like 1-3 that can happen every 18 to 50 seconds. Take for example twin emps. their teleport is every 28-45 seconds or something wildly variant. users constantly get mad at me when the teleport timer is "wrong" but that's just how it was designed. One pull they might teleport at 28, 33, 31, 29, 30 and next do something like 44, 29, 35, 41, 28 and that's just how bosses were made back then.
I just started, and I can't get any warning in dungeons. How do you set that up?
Mods for dungeons are a separate download from a back called DBM - Dungeons, Events, & Delves. make sure you grab that separate download to get dungeons working.
Clipped 62 seconds out of video just now to remove BagSearchPlus from essential addons. As many commenters pointed out, blizzard basically baked that feature into game in 11.0 and this video is about essential addons. If it's not essential anymore ,then I don't want to recommend needless installs. Otherwise, rest of video is unchanged.
Extra shoutout, but we need more ppl like this in the wow yt scene, so thx. I love when people shout out addons or anything they use in general. Thank you, a few here i need to check out. One suggestion, simple addon manager. Lets you save addon profiles so u dont "disable all" and spend 5 mins figuring out which ones to reenabled. Also ofc a ton of other side features to filter/find/search/notice addons.
Bet the new tool to simulate pull is gonna help a lot in the development cant wait to see content for it, thanks for all the work!
already helps dbm. working on getting it to help others. just added a lot of callbacks so other addons can use it easily once they support it
Just want to note that i recorded these in highest quality possible locally. my local copies are crisp and clear, youtube just highly compressed them on upload. Still very much watchable and i hope these guides help you, but saddened about quality loss. I've since learned that way to avoid that with youtube uploads on high motion content going forward is to recored them in 1440p or 4k so youtube is forced to use VP9 codec and not H264, which results in far less compression artifacting. So future videos in general will be moved to 1440p if they involve any kind of high motion to ensure best viewing experience.
Lol. Installed TaintLess, logged in, mounted and tried to take off and got hit with a taint error blocking my action bar hotkeys. Not quite as foolproof as I had hoped 😅
yeah it doesn't fix all of them just some of them. Some things are known for causing those taints such as certain macro addons or addons that modify objectives frame. Elvui for example is good at tainting objectives frame so then when you us a quest item taint is propagated to rest of UI fairly quickly.
lol. im a software engineer myself and i alywas thought dbm and such have some way of tapping into the game api to implement the timers. that they basically analyze raw data and hardcode this stuff, to me is kinda mental.
i wish it were that easy. they do have an api for build in timers as long as wrath. just never used it.
@@mysticalos crazy, thats pure passion
Thank you so much!
i hope it helps you a ton. putting a lot of work into it for season 1 tww
Is there a JQuery for the WoW API?
mostly just use web api docs, or if in editor, luaLS and Wow API extensions. warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Patch_11.0.2/API_changes covers api changes of latest patch warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/World_of_Warcraft_API covers wow api as a whole
Check out Simple Addon Manager to create Profiles for your addons, works great.💯
This is so much better than the run of the mill "must have addons" that are basically just ElvUI and WA…
Thanks. Yeah I wanted to try and do it on category for every type of player. I see other videos that will be like "these are best addons" and they're all raid mods. But note very one raids. I wanted to consider the raider sure, but i also wanted to consider the leveler, the gold maker, the collector. My big miss on this video is not really considering the altoholic and narcissist, it shoulda made this list. altoholic is kinda the combination of leveler and collector in one. :D
@@mysticalos I guess then you would also have pvp'ers and more niche activities. Is pet battling still a thing?
at time i recorded video like every pet addon was broken. i ended up not able to do that section at all. pvp i just had no insight since its one activity o refuse to do
true, this is the type of wow content we need on yt, its lacking atm imo
Subscribed because you're doing this for the community! Thank you!
Thanks, hope you enjoy other videos too. not all topics are DBM but this channel does focus on just wow now (when TWW slows down i'll focus on other channels again too like tech and RPGs) but right now it's full steam wow obviously. expansion next week and all :D
i thought about playing the new expansion but the cost of the expansion with the added cost for 3 days early access to everyone else is fucked and locked out of any professions bc you didnt gobble daddy blizzards balls.. but then i saw this video and my indecisiveness has manifested and i will finally skip my first expansion lmao
something tells me you very much decided long ago and just hate watching at this point. gotten to a point where you seek stuff out to dislike to justify that hate.
@@mysticalos propably true.. Still love the game and the lore tho and no other mmo is as fluid as wow.. I'm just to broke to play it and also don't wanna support blizzard
@@CuddleUTube I can understand that. I think like most expansions TWW will have some good and some bad. I already see that M+ is kinda going in wrong direction on some things (and right in others). I think Season 1 will be a shitshow, but it'll be interesting to see it play out regardless and hopefully they learn to stop telling us how to play the game and just make good content.
@@mysticalos sadly the only fun thing is the release bc after that it's just boring repetitive grinding. But the release is always bug infested and anoying af
release is best time of expansion for me. after that yeah it gets repetitive and i think it’s downhill
I used to get those regular micro hitches as well, and it turned out it was actually caused by the system usage stats broker that you have in your Bazooka bar. Since I stopped using that, I've no longer had any problem with hitches or GC slowdowns, including when running nearly 100 addons. I suggest testing whether removing that system usage broker addon fixes the hitches for you. (In fact, looking at the video again I think the hitches do indeed occur at the same time the broker updates its stats which is a pretty good indication that this is where the problem lies. I never looked into it further, but I guess it forces a full GC cycle each time it updates just like the red question mark in the micromenu does, where maybe the game otherwise uses some sort of incremental background GC. 🤷)
interesting. i’ll check that. i know i’ve studied issue for many years. but didn’t think maybe the tool studying it exacerbated it. i would think gc in general would be problematic though even at reduced interval. i’ll have to do more testing.
me sitting here watching with my 1700 mb of addons! O_o
:o. how? does that hitch every 10 or so seconds?
@@mysticalos i never really noticed to be honest, but i did clear away a lot of redundant addons & weakauras like you said and now at 500mb. game runs way more smooth now so thank you! :) most of it comes from weakauras, details, method raid tools, etc that i use for raiding.
DialogKey is up there with one of my most needed addons, being able to select dialog options and accept confirmation boxes with keyboard keys should be built-in at this point. On the addon profiles, I know that for ElvUI the ProjectAzilroka gives you an addon manager that lets you make addon profiles up, I'm not sure if there's an addon that does this without needing a bunch of extra stuff installed, but may be worth a look.
yeah a couple people told me about a diff addon i gotta try later for that. will be usedul
This was really helpful and insightful; helped someone like me understand why addons break. Never knew about the wiki, and the site helps (temporarily) fixing a problematic old addon, or at least a line or two. Thanks! =)
yeah some are easy to fix if actual returns of api didn't change.
Great video. BetterAddonList gives you the ability to save profiles. Might be worth a look.
I never knew about Taintless before, that sounds amazing. I always have an error in classic when I try to right click + copy character name and I think it's just taint so hopefully that fixes it. Also sometimes when I am the RL and I right click someone to promote them to Main Tank/Main Assist those two buttons are absent but I can still promote people to regular assistant. Glad to see there is another data broker user, I love my titan panel. I never knew they were called data brokers, thanks for informing us! Is it bloating to have shared media installed standalone and then to use addons that have it bundled in? Also I never knew about the 10 second garbage collection, that's insane! I don't use that many addons compared to some people, but I definitely use a lot and I do use heavy memory usage addons. I would disable them but reloading (especially in a zone like Valdraken) takes so long. Sure when I disable them it'll load fast, but loading back in when I turn them back on is long xD I'll have to try and trim the fat, but a lot is essential to me. Like I use tradeskillmaster and while technically I am not doing AH stuff, when an item/boe drops even in raids I like to know the price instantly.
When it comes to libraries, only one one version of it is loaded. otherwise, people would have ace3 loaded 20x. I'm not sure taintless helps classic but maybe? worth a try. if all you need is price checks, TSM may be overkill and something like auctionator may make more sense. TSM is more for AH power users/goldmakers i feel.
@@mysticalos You're right about TSM, I just meant that even when I am not actively using the AH I still like a lot of the features it provides, especially since the prices update every ~2 hours automatically from the desktop app and I don't have to scan the AH, I do still use it when I am doing stuff on the AH. Maybe there is another alternative I can keep on when I am in instanced content. And it seems like you may be right about taintless for classic, it doesn't seem like it is officially supported but maybe it still works, that's a shame.
nvm seems like taintless does work for cata
Cheers for taking the time to make this. Made a lot of sense, especially the perfromance bit.
Yeah i hope that shows value of not running too much, or choosing wisely what's important vs what isn't. I too often would see addon overload on systems and then people have super long loading screens, tons of stuttering and frame drops that just shouldn't be. but for my video i wanted to outline that the effects can also be subtle.
I don't agree with his performance part at all. My addons are over 500MB and I do not get any of this 10 second hitching at all, my game is entirely hitchless despite being 500% what he considers the "absolute max" to avoid it.
BagSearchPlus just seems to be default behaviour of the search function. Or atleast searching for ''haste'' and ''head'' worked without the addon maybe some others don't.
It would be nice if in the raid leader global disable you could disable icon marking for all raid members' *except* the raid leader. Back in ICC, my classic guild gave everyone assist so that people can move groups and do things but presumably this means their DBM would now have authority sometimes. Perhaps I am wrong in assuming this is how it works, but I guess I'd like an option where no matter the assist level of players in the raid, DBM only listens to the raid leader's options.
technically you just do that making only rl have assist. but i see what you’re saying. can probably add a checkbox that says “except raid leader”
@@mysticalos Yeah that's how we solved it, sometimes you do still want other players to have assist because they do things during the fight, I'll admit it's not a very frequent use-case. I initially assumed that the Raid Leader controls would override everyone else's DBM settings except their own. In my mind, it makes the most sense to use the RL global override to disable other players' settings because you are already in control of your own settings. For example, at 4:35 I could choose to disable my own icon marking, and then at 11:35 I could disable everyone else's icon marking. Then if I later wanted icon marking back, I could renable it for myself whilst keeping it disabled for the raid. But yeah I agree, it's pretty easy to remove assist from everyone else, I guess I just figured we don't need a global override that disables everyone (including my own) settings, since there are already overrides/options to disable my own settings?
When a game requires THIRTY (30) addons, including multiple addons to handle the bugs created from having so many addons, something is terribly, terribly wrong from a base level of game design.
i agree. i def think base game has a long way to go. dragonflght was progress but a lot more needs to be done. you can even hear it in my town a bit when i question why portals aren’t on map without handynotes. but when i look back 5 years i def need way less now than i did then.
Did my comment just get deleted by youtube ?
never saw it. wasn’t me though.
I might be wrong but I think BagSearchPlus has been implemented into the base game search function
a lot of it yes. apparently in 11.0 you can search for any tooltip text. so haste example base game now. search plus has a handful of niche searches that still only it has but for most part it’s no longer in a must have category
About every 30 seconds I'm getting a pop-up that says that an addon attempted to initiate a function only reserved to WoW. It happened so much I had to disable them.
That's a UI taint error, that's part of what Taintless helps solve but also just process of elimination to find cause (although cause is not usually mods fault but rather an addon using a feature such as a drop down that was previously used in a secure frame). You may want to check out my other cent video about addons and at very least get Taintless, bugsack and buggrabber to diagnose it.
Hey mr MysticalOS, I use NoTaint which while not preventing taint it does warn you before it affects your experience, does it Taintless function the same way or does it try to prevent rather than warn, and if so should I use both?
far as i know notaint stopped getting updates. i used it ages ago when it prevented taint. maybe its a diff project now i wonder taintless prevents some taints but not all. but some better than none
You mentioned you had to fix skada, was it just updating a function name(s) ? Pretty minor?
very minor yeah. one spell function and commenting out option panel
Addon memory, well, that should be related to how much memory the system has overall. I have 32GB installed and never had micro-stutters that bad while leaving All the things and everything else on all the time. WoW seens to run on 5...7GB And yeah, time to go thru the addons and and remove a couple. And as you predicted, some addons stopped working with 11.02.
i have 64gb. its not something related to limited memory or even system spec. although it definitely helps because stutter would be worse with slower memory or virtual memory. it’s just the size of the garbage collect blizzard does. my example also had raider io and ah. also i’ve seen players not even notice stutter til they look for it. depends how sensitive you are to it. i’d be curious what your addon memory is at as well as frame rate. my testing showed stutter id also reduced at higher frame rates due to fact addon code runs on frame update code (which means the garbage collect might actually complete faster). i purposely lock at 60 though for streams and videos
@@mysticalos My FPS is limited to 90 and it usually stays there. My total addon memory is currently at 638MB with AllTheThings eating 494MB of that with it's window closed. Walking around in the Azure Span and switching AllTheThings on and off again I noticed something interesting though. The game starts to stutter when I hover over the red question mark on the bottom right to check addon memory and FPS. It runs smooth when I am not checking. And it runs smooth when I am checking while AllTheThings is off. Looks like the issue is with the function that calculates the addon memory. How that is this slow and how it even is allowed to have an effect on the gameengine eludes me though, with WoW in focus my system runs below 20% load and I have plenty of cores to execute threads on. Sometimes I would like to see the codebase of the hot mess I like to play. Edit: it is not the calculation of the memory either, I just checked and TitanPanel can display it, just runs smooth. What the heck is that puny frame in the corner doing that affects the game engine and more when more memory is in use?
@@rudolphriedel541 Likely performing a GC cycle to give you a count just after the heap has been collected. Otherwise the memory count would include dead objects. In principle, you should be able to do incremental GC on Lua, but I don't know if WOW does so.
@@Relativizor That this is a Garbage Collection is well possible - but this still would make this a crappy design - do a GC every second just in order to display slighty different values. Doing a GC once, if at all, would be enough.
@@rudolphriedel541 Yeah it just never occurred to me the issue would be actually be exacerbated by the broker that was designed to monitor performance, not cause issues with it. Plus as far as I knew it only performed GC when clicking on it (and that i knew about, if you click on it, it does a hard LONG GC that def hangs client for a solid 1-2 seconds). But as far as I knew only thing it was doing was showing memory in use and not affecting it in any way. But I guess it has kept me running a lean ship regardless. I disabled broker and ran testing and sure enough the every 10 second stutter vanished, but I did still find I still prefer lean addons for if nothing else MUCH shorter loading screens. I did try to edit text of video and short to explain the performance issue "MIGHT" affect users in certain conditions, but since I don't know full scope of WHAT that broker is doing yet I didn't narrow it down yet, merely that you might or might not get the issue.
Love you, those microstutters are driving me nuts, I had no idea it was blizzard that was causing this. Edit: Betteraddonlist. Get it for addon profiles, i use it for exactly that, m+ / raid / ow. Swap out which addons you load with press of a button.
micro stutters drove me nuts too. i discovered cause 5 years ago on classic because questie had high memory usage. showed them my findings and they actually reworked addon to reduce memory a ton using fancy compression. no more micro stutters. not every addon author willing to do that. some convinced memory doesn’t matter (and they’d be right when you don’t factor garbage collect blizzard does). but as i’ve proven. it most certainly does
At the end you mention wanting to save profiles of addons. "Addon Control Panel" allows you to do this, save sets/profiles of addons. You can set up different profiles for high end pve, pvp, crafting/auctions, gathering, collecting, high memory, low memory etc. It's extremely important for people who have many alts, as it lets you get the right addon profiles loaded in for each instead of having to manually click through them all.
I thought about that, but i think it should definitely be base game feature. I also know ACP is barely maintained since original authors passing. Someone did show me someone else made a similar addon though I didn't know about that I might check out later.
@@mysticalosI personally use betteraddonlist, its up to date
@@mysticalosI used ACP in the past. Now I use Simple Addon Manager. Seems just as good and is up to date.
There is also BetterAddonList which does the same, plus additionally adds an extra search bar to lookup addons in the list. It is also properly maintained as for now.
@@mysticalosCheck out BetterAddonList, it looks like it's better maintained, but for me it's also might cleaner and simpler. I didn't like ACP, but I'm liking BetterAddonList
Narcissus Move anything or something similar AdvancedInterfaceOptions Vocal Raid Assistant
dragonflight made moveanything far less important to me. I guess it still has some use for some frames though but for most part I found edit mode good for majority of things. Advanced interface options is definitely nice, i considered adding it to this list but decided to stick to just the "essentials" but i guess I coulda put it in noteworthy mention section. I probably should have included narcissus for an "alts" category, i didn't even think about that, or maybe in collections category.
@@mysticalos I love Narcissus to share mogs, but it also provides cool stuff like the tier set button in your character window, saving stuff at the barber shop and dragon configurations etc
@@mysticalos Unless they make their windows adjustable addons that let you make adjustments to blizz default UI will become more needed. I would say it's more useful going into TWW than it was throughout DF. advance interface lets you check and set all the cvars so I feel that's a requirement. For example, spellquewindow adjustments is kind of a big deal for casters. Narcissus just has some nice asthetics that and a nice panel next to the character screen that shows your current 4pc and can cycle through each spec.
I so expected you to put something called DBM as one of the first must-haves, left pleasantly surprised. You're awesome mr mysticalos, thanks for this video im a fan of your work. Been playing for a long time and some of these i actually didnt know about and installed now, thanks
I always try to be unbiased, i even made sure bigwigs/littlewigs got a mention in video. Let users choose the mod they want. I'm same way in my raids. I'd rather person using mod that works best for them and kill bosses, than self serve and try to get everyone on DBM. I think it's just as bad to force a BW user to use DBM, as it is to force a DBM user to use BW. RL that do either are toxic AF. About the only thing I'll do is correct misinformation. Like when someone says DBM is worse because x where x is completely made up or untrue. there is a difference between sharing preference and sharing misinformation.
Are there any top addons that you feel I left out? Are there any in this list you didn't know about that you're definitely gonna try? Let me know in comments. Also additional notes: Taintless and SharedMedia are both likely already installed for many users as other addons tend to embed them. I still wanted to include them in list because they are essential and I still prefer installing em as stand alone to ensure they are never missing (as I'm a power user that enables/disables addons based on what I'm doing in game at the moment)
This is excellent! I'm guilty of using too many WeakAuras which could be replaced by addons instead. That addon performance test was super informative. I haven't even thought about addon profiles before, but it would be super useful. I find turning several addons on and off depending on what I'm doing exhausting.
for the most part, at least in regard to the garbage collect stutter, you only need to disable the high memory ones. So really the outliers are stuff like auction addons, all the things, raider IO, crafting mods
Wait end-users have to install taintless? I always thought this was embedded in addons that dealt with that stuff and might run into those issues
it is embedded in some mods. so end users may already have it. but i like to have latest installed manually to make sure i have latest. it’s same with shared media. 20 to 1 user already has it. but still essential mods in off chance user somehow doesn’t