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The simplest answer is that we can start “rebuilding” as soon as we’re able to. It happened very naturally for me as I became more able-minded and this seems to be the common experience. We just sort of follow our intuition and let our emerging capabilities guide us.

@@russellbyt So in other words, once the tapering process is at least halfway complete. Correct?

@ZeronosVegaZero Not necessarily. Depends on how we respond to the reductions.

@@russellbyt Then what exactly do you mean by “able-minded”? Are you referring to before, during, or after the tapering process?

I’m sorry you’re still struggling! Tapering is all about limiting, and _possibly_ preventing, withdrawal and withdrawal-like symptoms, but it’s no guarantee we won’t have any. The speed of the taper can make a big difference too. But again, no guarantees with any of this… Which is of course really scary and frustrating. For those of us who struggle with coming off meds, it’s not uncommon for it to take a while to feel like we’ve made some good progress. So 4 months isn’t a very long time in recovery terms. It’s a very long time to feel so bad. But it’s not long enough for our bodies to very noticeably heal. The good thing is that healing is taking place whether it feels that way or not. We can build a withdrawal and post-withdrawal toolkit. We can find ways to get through each day. Even each moment of the day. But time makes the biggest difference. In the meantime, check out this page on Surviving Antidepressants called “Symptoms and self-care”: www.survivingantidepressants.org/forums/forum/8-symptoms-and-self-care/ The info there applies to antipsychotics too.

@@russellbyt thank you for your time. You did 5 year taper. How long to wait not to feel withdrawal depression ? I lost many things to the drug one of them is enjoying music. I used to say i cant live without music. Will i ever get it back ?

@DovahQueen1994 There’s no way to know for sure how long this will last unfortunately. Our bodies basically heal on their own timeline. But you’ll notice gradual improvements as time goes on. Most people won’t take as long as I did, so I wouldn’t worry so much about that 5-years number. And yes, the ability to enjoy music should return eventually :)

Please see my reply on your other comment :)

This is something I won’t pretend to have all the answers for. Delusional thinking was never one of my symptoms so I also lack experience dealing with it firsthand. Though I do have people close to me who struggle with this, so it’s not a complete unknown to me. This secondhand experience is why I don’t have a very favorable view of psych drugs as a useful way of “treating” delusional thinking. Too many people are shut down by the meds. I’m actually interested in talking to others who have non-psych med solutions, maybe as content for the channel. Those people are definitely out there. If you come across any, feel free to let me know!

Free indeed! Really profound and relatable ending. (Actually, much of it is relatable. For me, and I'm sure others too.) That’s a helluva journey and you got through it. Thank you for sharing your reasons, and I hope you’re able to now start having the life and sense of wholeness you’ve always deserved. Much love to you!

I believe I was switched from Zyprexa to Geodon, and also became more physically active. But the med change probably made the biggest difference.

Glad it’s helpful!

Glad it's helping 😀 As others in the community have said and so many of us have experienced, the more we rush it, the longer it can take. Always best to go at the speed we need. Wish you the best on your journey, and feel free to comment again and share your progress in the future!

@russellbyt thank you!! If you were me, would you take the slow taper approach (minimum 2 years) or cold turkey the meds? I know cold turkey is bad but the side effects are really troubling me :,))))

I wouldn’t risk it. Practically everyone who wants off meds wants off immediately (I had lots of side effects and certainly didn’t want to spend even _more_ time on meds, so I’ve been there too). The reasons may differ but the desire is the same. But cold turkey-ing just isn’t worth the risk IMO.* You may be one of the lucky ones who can stop that way and not have problems, but it’s better to start slow and see how you're responding to the reductions before speeding things up, should you ever choose to go faster. I recommend following the 10% reduction recommendation for at least the first few months or so and see how things go. Then you can make a better informed decision about your specific taper speed. You can read more about that 10% thing here (ignore the name of the site, this applies to virtually all psych drugs): www.survivingantidepressants.org/forums/topic/1024-why-taper-by-10-of-my-dosage/ *You'll see on that site that there's a very specific circumstance where cold turkey quitting might be necessary but it doesn't apply to most people.

@@russellbyt thank you for your insight!! I guess I will go slow then

@@russellbyt you know I went cold turkey for 2 days because of the crazy headaches resperidal gave me...and I felt fine, felt even more happy But then I read somewhere that the drug stays in your system for a week, and read your comment again Don't want to risk crashing and having to take more drugs :/ I guess I will go back on it lol

You mean everything was okay with your feelings before starting meds, and then the meds took that away?

@@russellbyt no like all the things ppl feel coming off of meds is how I feel normally so I’m deciding if I should go on them. I feel like ppl go from a place of being so bad they need them and it’s life changing then to a place where they are so fine they think being on them is the problem. But I think when things are so severe like for me ptsd and anxiety and can’t work or have a social life it’s necessary. It’s just scary because ppl go from saying how amazing it is to how crappy it is and I feel like right now I rather feel no emotions then too much emotions that I feel. But once I get there and wanna get off the rewiring seems scary and hard to get off of. Especially if this is how I feel naturally I fear it’ll be really hard for me to get off.

It really depends on the person and how they respond to the meds. Some people take meds and do just fine. Or they do much better than “just fine.” Others take them and become disabled. Barely functional day to day. Some folks start out doing well on a med, then start getting worse again even while staying on said med. Others feel horrible while medicated from day one. There’s a whole spectrum of responses to psych drugs and those are just a few of them. We don’t really know where we fall on that spectrum until we try them for ourselves. The really unfortunate thing is that most prescribers don’t properly handle the situations where patients respond unfavorably. Nor do they know how to best _deprescribe_ psych meds should a patient choose, or need, to come off them. Not in a way that’s safe and comfortable for patients. This leads to all sorts of problems, and this tends to be the focus of channels like mine. The best advice I can give is to learn as much as you can about the meds - from a variety of sources - and then make as informed a decision as possible based on your own situation and goals. There’s no easy decision here. Just go where your findings lead you. And no matter how you get there, I just want you to have a life you enjoy 😀

@@russellbyt wow your very right. Thank you so much! I appreciate you explaining and helping me better understand. I feel more confident in trying them & will keep in mind all of this.

Yeah, it can for sure take some time for everything to start working again.

Hey, are you currently tapering?

@@russellbyt sir I am left that medicines from February 2024 and thank you sir you are like hope for me so I can recover sir God bless you sir big fan from India thanks for replying sir 🥺🥺

Thanks for being a fan! For managing difficult emotions, it might help to read this page on the Surviving Antidepressants website: www.survivingantidepressants.org/forums/topic/1112-non-drug-techniques-to-cope-with-emotional-symptoms/

@@russellbyt sir I eat risperidone antipsychotics not antidepressants

@pushpendrakulshresthafan The info is relevant for all types of psych drugs.

Antipsychotics can be prescribed for a variety of reasons that don't require a person to have psychotic symptoms. So the name of the drug category can be a little misleading for patients. Sorry you've had these really scary experiences and I hope things improve for you soon!

@@russellbyt thank you for sharing your story it makes me feel less alone

Those are two really potent antipsychotics. They can absolutely affect you in those ways, even at “low” doses. I’m speaking from my own experience and others have had similar ones too.

It really seems to depend on both the drug _and_ the person taking it. Two people can respond very differently to the same med. We see a similar thing with psych drug withdrawal. Two people can stop the same drug, who have been taking it for roughly the same amount of time. One could have withdrawal symptoms and the other one doesn’t. Or both could have withdrawal symptoms but one recovers after a a few months, while the other one takes years. There are a lot of variables in the psych drug-response equation that need so much more attention and studying.

The fact that so many say that coming off [insert random psych drug here] is so much more difficult than coming off, say, heroin really should light a fire under prescribers to do a heck of a lot more for patients. It's so tragic that virtually all patients were taken by surprise by the difficulty. We deserve so much better.

I, and no doubt others, will keep you in our thoughts. Best wishes on your journey and much love to you!

I did, and thankfully it improved with time. Hopefully yours will too!

Being able to _feel_ is a huge recovery milestone. The real you has always been there, but this gives you proof 🙌 Don’t lose hope and much love.

There were problems while tapering that were definitely not present, or just weren’t as bad, before the taper. But yeah, when you’re on a lot of meds it’s hard to take a good inventory of what all is wrong. How long did you taper and how long have you been off (if you’re already off)?

@@russellbyt Thanks for the reply. ”Only” taken zoloft for 15 years, more numb last years, dizzy. Due to Dr ignorance, dose changes were made and I went back, adverse reaction. Then tapered off by Dr too quickly. 50 to 25mg, then 12.5mg and from that off zero (5 months). WD, but it was when I went from 12.5 to zero that I crashed after 3 months. 9.5 months off and severe WD. Neurological dysregulation, brain pressure burning etc. Dont know how I will cope for several years.

@@russellbyt Thanks for the reply. Only taken zoloft for 15 years. Dose changes were made and when I went back, adverse reaction. Tapered off to fast by Dr. 4,5 month. WD, but it was when I went off that I crashed after 3 months. 9.5 months off and severe WD. Neurological dysregulation, brain pressure burning etc. I don't know how I will cope for several years.

I did and it eventually got better.

It definitely helps to switch out the measuring stick! And it doesn’t help that the experience of coming off meds itself can be traumatic and isolating and a factory for unfair comparisons. It can really do a number on how we feel and how we think about ourselves. It’s some really heavy stuff coming at us from all angles for years on end. You truly deserve patience, compassion and fairness, from both yourself and others 😀

what parts are you struggling with most?

@@SHILLGATESCRYPTO I’ve lost most of my social circle and I struggle to hold down a job so I’ve been living with my mum and dad for 5 years. Mum is a narcissist so I’m working through narcissism patterning on a deep level which obviously will serve me in the long run, but what I’ve lost is the rich, fun and meaningful life I used to have. I’m hoping to go back to uni and do a Masters degree soon so that I can reconnect with new people on my wavelength who appreciate me. For me, a lot of it is also mid-life changes (old friends buying houses, having kids and I’m not), and geography: the isolation because I live in the countryside and post-pandemic I’ve lost my social skills.

However you feel about your brain, don't ever give up on your goals and dreams! I suspect a lot of folks in various industries don't have the most capable brains (compared to what they wish they had) and they have to kinda make up for it in other ways. There's some hope in that 😀

Happy to help

Really sorry you’re still not better! Unfortunately none of us can predict how long it will take. It’s different for each person. 5 months isn’t a super long time in psych drug recovery terms. Which sucks, because obviously it’s a _very_ long time when we’re suffering so much. But the upside is that there’s still plenty of time to heal 😀

@@russellbyt Thank you, my friend, that s good news, I m so happy to see you gotten through this, thank you for making the video and telling people the truth. Those drugs need to be banned, it s pure evil, they made me discover a form of pain never thought existed, specially Akatisia, numbness, emotional blunting, suicidal thought all the time caused by the feeling of being nonexistent, you no longer care about things and you don't know even that you don't care, it s just hell. Making money on other people suffering is just messed up.

Are you currently tapering?

Many of us have had this experience, so you're definitely not alone!

Glad the vids are helpful! Just have hope that things will get better 😀 Much love.

Glad the videos have helped! And there will definitely be more content 😀

So sorry it’s been so awful! For some of us, it can take the better part of a decade or more to experience substantial recovery (which is a bittersweet message at best, I know…) Hopefully there’s some very real healing in your future. Regardless, it doesn’t make what’s happened any more acceptable. And psychiatry needs to be held accountable for its actions and inactions. Sending much love to you.

@@russellbyt appreciate it brother, love your videos ❤️ I have lost numerous friends due to protracted withdrawal and its brutal to say the least. The neglect from psychiatrists and doctors in general in this area is shocking! Nobody is held responsible! I used to be fit and have a great job/life! Lost it all. Criminals.