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THE MYSTERY OF THE KAIMANAWA WALL - PART TWO
The second visit to the Kaimanawa Wall with the authorisation by D.O.C and local Iwi for a Geotechnical company to scan the area with Ground Penetrating Radar.
Interesting results revealed.
The question is, what next?
Interesting results revealed.
The question is, what next?
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THE MYSTERY OF THE KAIMANAWA WALL - PART ONE
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A pyramid in New Zealand? or just a pile of very even blocks of stone. If it is a man made structure, we know it is at least 1800 years old. In 186 AD the Taupo eruption covered a vast area in volcanic ash and pumice....including this mound of stone.
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With official recognition by Auckland University of ancient standing stones, with discovery of stone walls, carved boulders, and ancient working solar observatories, there is compelling evidence of a pre - celtic peoples inhabiting New Zealand as long as 4500 years ago. This 6 minute clip asks why is there a wall of silence on this most important part of NZ's early history? email: TurehuNZ@gmai...
White people couldn’t even make it out of Europe 5000 years ago
What right have the suits got to suppress this stuff. They are working for us and I say open up for a dig and let's find out about our past.
Why couldn't Maori or their predecessors have made these ? Spirals were inscribed by many cultures..not just Celts! Where is the evidence of Celts sailing to NZ in those days?
Had the maoris discovered the wheel before the Europeans arrived in New Zealand?
So no archeological confirmation yet.
It is piecing clues together to arrive at a probability. At a simple level we have to decide what is the probability of this structure being man made.
Need archeological confirmation and govt acknowledgement otherwise its irrelevant
Therein lies the problem. Our Government actively try to shut down investigations of our ancient history ( unlike other countries). So you will never get archaeologists in Government employment going against the official narrative as it is career suicide. So why do you think the Government wants to take no interest in our pre Maori history?
@@patriciamoke15the video is made up nonsense, not supported by any scientist, archeologist or historian.
@@turehunz342 archeologists would LOVE to find pre Māori anything. It would make their careers if they could prove it. No professional accepts pre Māori people in nz because there is NO evidence for it.
Whoever done those stones, have LONG gone. I’d say before the Great Flood, which is before Māui the Surveyor, fished up Te Ika a Māui (Aotearoa) Māui did not “fish” up the ika, it would have risen out of the water as the floods were subsiding back to normal levels. That was after the younger dryas days
incoherent fantasy nonsense. there was no great flood. you're getting mythology mixed up with reality.
Why Europeans try telling everyone their history is beyond me
Because European history is far more interesting to Europeans than Maori history.
@@turehunz342 you misunderstood the comment. caseyking meant why are europeans telling other people's history.
Why not? Everyone discusses and researches other cultures histories. Do you have a problem with that?
@@turehunz342 I agree with you on this. Just not on the whole fairy pre Māori people nonsense.
Thank you for shedding light on the ancient world wide culture from before the flood.. 😁We The patupairehe shared the land with the Turehu and Panenehu in those times.
is there any irrational nonsense you don't believe?
Not Irish, but worldwide people
no people
@@eeeaten who then not whites
@@RedTerrorist13 the first people of nz were the eastern polynesian ancestors of maori, who began arriving from about 1250AD.
@@eeeaten yep your right
In a nutshell the Maori were not the first people here by thousands of years. So they only have the same rights as other New Zealanders that arrived here. Waitangi tribunal needs to be thrown out, their a non entity and don’t belong in a multicultural modern society.
only it's 100% made up. science shows the first people of new zealand were the eastern Polynesian ancestors of maori, who began arriving from around 1250AD.
Keep lying to yourself. These are the indigenous people and they lived there before their land was occupied by Europeans
The Eastern Polynesians who became Maori built the Moai on Easter Island. White folks love making videos about how standing stones (not even carved in this case) are somehow evidence of European settlement. ua-cam.com/video/cjvjLji5VQ4/v-deo.htmlsi=0nQFN4NqyHiQMK7S note the Rapanui Easter Island Elder in this video speaking the same language as the Maori documentor (each in their own lands dialects but the same language. More importantly note the Easter Island Elder explaining that the Ancestors of Maori are the same as the Ancestors of Rapanui. When the same people went to Rapanui Easter Island they built and transported mega stone. When these same peoples sailed to Aotearoa they carved in the abundant material wood. When the same peoples went to the Chatham Islands they carved in wood and stone. UA-cam is full of videos by people looking for evidence that undermines indigenous explorers the world over. But yeah show some small standing stones and call them Celtic if it floats your boat.
There is plenty of speculation of very advanced groups of people worldwide who lived well before recorded history .Look at Gobleteki apparently 12000years old.The world had been travelled for much longer than our memory or written history.
there's no evidence of humans in nz until 1250AD.
Whoa! That's so awesome.. Why haven't you done more video's tho? Would love to learn more about this. I shall keep searching.. 😊
it's made up nonsense
But what about the hobbits? Surely they were the first?
just as likely
It's almost as if geometric shapes come to people from some sort of inspiration by them looking around. Crazy. Clearly did 0 real research and comparison as to what things are and where the knowledge actually came from.
Absolute crap both the savage cannibal maoris and mori ori were preceeded by tartarians
is there any irrational nonsense you don't believe?
Maori could be thousands of years old if their Chinese dna is rite .
that makes no sense. what do you even mean?
@eeeaten what part dont you under stand ,its very clear .read it again and come back where its to hard for you !.
@@user-fb2he6vb2d lol it really doesn’t.
@eeeaten well i carnt help you there then .
@@user-fb2he6vb2d illiteracy is a heavy burden. Best wishes!
Why has the finding of the dig at the stone cairns in waipa been embargoed for 50 years, nobody should have the right to embargo history, it makes no difference to the treaty that was agreed at the time with the people that were here
it hasn't. look it up. there is no such embargo. that is the nonsense of conspiracy theorist loonies.
I agree. What is the Government afraid of ? Archaeology & history is what it is. People like to know the facts. They'd find it interesting. In this blog I have those of Maori descent give me the most abuse. Why is that? What are they fearful of ? The only thing I can think of is that the thought of a previous (white) civilisation whom they vanquished and usurped their culture which we today know as Maori culture, perhaps hurts their mana in the sense that all of Maori culture we see today was in fact taken from someone else.
@@johndevere1846 archeology and history show Māori were the first people of New Zealand. Nobody is covering up evidence of pre-Māori peoples, it just doesn’t exist. It’s the fantasy of conspiracy loons.
I am from the future which is now the past, when I was here in the past, I saw the future and now the future is my past.
don't do drugs, kids.
Martin Doutre and Noel Hilliam are not qualified archeologists , their theories are highly speculative and selective , and not taken particularly seriously by actual academics in the relevant historical forensic and archeological fields. More often than not they tend to misrepresent fringe theories and unverified anecdotes as established historical facts and have generated an overall ahistorical narrative that has somehow come to be believed by a surprising number of people. Frankly there are holes in the narrative big enough to drive a truck through , and it was already inconsistent. And when you are falling back on literal Fairy creatures and mythical 9 foot giants to support your theories , it astounds me that people actually buy into this tripe🙄
Interesting that ONLY Maori do not like the idea that there may have been a much earlier civilisation in NZ. I wonder why? Maybe you can enlighten me.
@@johndevere1846 👍Absolutely. 🧐To start with, it’s not true that ONLY Maori have an issue here. Most academics ,many of them Pakeha, consider these ahistorical Fringe theories with little evidentiary or scholarly merit. Even academics cited by Doutre and Hilliam (egHoldaway and Moon) say their work is being misrepresented. 🧐Also , it’s no secret that the primary drivers of these theories, like Doutre and Hilliam, bear a distinct resentment towards the Maori status as the indigenous people of NZ. Their desperate efforts to divest and deny that status and attempt to supplant it with a Eurocentric one of their own is rather transparent and spiteful , so it hardly surprising that same resentment would be reciprocated. 🧐Then there’s the astonishing eagerness to buy into a blatantly ahistorical conspiracy theory and declare it as established fact, with no actual conclusive evidence to support it. Indeed it has such obvious gaps in logic and more often goes against all ACTUAL evidence. They’re actually citing 9 foot giants and literal fairies for goodness sake , and people are still eating this obvious BS up? That’s irrational. 🤔And I’m just going to say it , Doutre , Hilliam and their associates are of utterly dubious character. They have no standing in the academic fields they lay claim to , their “scholarship” is awful, often involving unverified anecdotes, misrepresentation and , when all else fails, blatant imagination. They make the banal into the fantastical and are happy to cherry pick what suits their narrative. I honestly wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them. 🧐I can go into the specifics if you want to go down that rabbit hole, but here’s a link that covers most of it. www.thefreelibrary.com/Maxwell+C.+Hill%2c+To+the+Ends+of+the+Earth%3a+did+the+Greeks...-a0322026988
@@johndevere1846 i actually DO like the idea of earlier civilisations in nz - wouldn't that be interesting! the problem is that there is just NO evidence for anything like that. before 1250AD there is nothing - no remains, no middens, no structures, no artifacts, no dna, no introduced species. not even a rat-gnawed seed! the only people peddling this pre-maori magical creatures nonsense are kooks trying to drum up views and book sales. grifters with no credentials.
Does he actually think that early Irish people came to NZ? You can make the same comparisons to many cultures when looking at patterns cut into stone. He started off with a theory and went looking for things that would fit his preconceived ideas. That is not the way to study anything. Confirmation bias at it's worst.
Your ignorant asf
Bunch of liars, Maori will always be the first because this is the promise land over water, familiar to moses leading the people to the promise land over the desert. So believe what you want but God lead the people over water and came back to his people's again in 1918 8th of November. Through the holy spirit. Believe want you like but you are all wrong. Because the language is Maori.
aww bro don't mix up history and reality with the religion of the pakeha. maori were polynesian, led by skill, bravery and knowledge.
Whether this is correct or not, doesn't have any bearing on NZ today, and it doesn't get away from the fact that the Treaty of Waitangi was signed by Maori & the Crown as our countries founding document for rights of Maori within the colonisation of NZ and nothing will ever change that!
You are absolutely correct that this does not have any bearing on the TOW. This is a discussion on a civilisation inhabiting NZ long before Maori arrived as immigrants (like all of us).
@@johndevere1846it’s just bulshit 😅
lol
Unlike other videos that really put forward fanciful ideas, this video at least shows some interesting evidence albeit farfetched. So, I'll commend this one. However, feeling an obligation to write this, it is highly unlikely that anyone had ever settled New Zealand before the Māori. Especially those of Celtic origin. So, take this as a version of history that could have happened in some far off reality.
indeed there is no evidence of people in nz before the eastern polynesian ancestors of maori.
Man the amount of blind ignorance coming from those in the comments who are trying to deny these stones exist, or where they came from is absolutely incredible. It seems it befuddles any pro-Maori narrative that even the POSSIBILITY of humans existing here before their arrival is absolutely false. They literally can not except even the possibility.
Science shows there were no people in nz before the eastern Polynesian ancestors of Māori began arriving from around 1250AD.
Almost a waste of time engaging with them. They are not critical thinkers.
@@johndevere1846 cowardly nonsense. do you disagree with my post above? do you value science, or are you informed by the power of the imagination?
@@eeeaten I’ve given you plenty of references to show otherwise mate. Again, either your science is dated or just false. Free your mind. What harm to the Maori if people did exist before the Maori arrived? Why would humans not want to find out why, if not anything for the advancement of our own understanding and knowledge. What is the harm mate?
@@bobleeswagger474 you haven't given any legitimate references that show evidence of pre-maori peoples. i would LOVE to see such evidence, that would be very interesting and add to the complexity of our history. sadly there is no such evidence, and the theories of pre-maori in nz are no more than the fantasies of kooks and racists.
Misinformation and hidden agendas have led to confusion and STUPEFIED EVERYONE! FACT: The Original BLUEPRINT, so to speak, of the Pure Heart, Soul and Spirit of Aotearoa is ALL credit to MORIORI and never mentioned RONGOMAI made up of Giants, Pygmys and DOGON people. MORIORI and Aboriginal peoples are natural brothers. It is well known maori went RORIRORI (INSANE) cannibalising MORIORI....to this day they sense where they're NOT WELCOME.... Long story short maori hijacked everything, made our story their story.....the REO is NOT authentic but mixed languages mainly JAPANESE.... Ask the MORIORI YOURSELF....AND our story is recorded prior to abominable perverse practices and flesh eating zombie Maui invasions recorded in books Whispers and Songs of Waitaha. NZ Gov is MOST AWARE....Available at NZ Records FREEDOM OF INFORMATION. Waitaha is recognised throughout the World if you know where to look....especially Astrology.
Wacky
Don't use words you don't understand.
What words ?
@@johndevere1846 indigenous
WHO IS THIS PERSON A MĀORI OR BALDHEAD
I am glad that I am living long enough to see these things uncovered. I am still amazed by the vitrified forts that I saw when I went out to some smaller islands on the West Coast of Scotland. Now there is a puzzle. These stone sites in New Zealand are fascinating.
Is there any irrational nonsense you don’t believe?
@@eeeaten You"re making it obvious truth is being discussed my friend.
@@ShmickImages incoherent
more rubbish.
some of the Maori women had ancient Persian/Indo European DNA and many red haired descendants. It’s definitely not unique to New Zealand though some other interesting finds are the Florida Bog people with red hair as well as the chachapoya red haired culture of Peru. Look up red haired, giants of America, and you will find endless examples and many tales passed down through the native peoples. One in particular being Lovelock cave.
Interesting that America represses knowledge about the giant people who probably were involved with building the numerous mounds,
@@turehunz342😅😂 giants haha
@@eeeaten 7 foot or so we're not talking monsters. You probably believe in dinosaurs?
@@inigomontoya8943 i have seen and touched dinosaur fossils. there are millions of dinosaur fossils, traced through the millennia using radiometric dating and stratigraphy. there is no evidence to support the existence of your giants.
It's arrogant and ignorant for the Iwi Elite like Nanaia Mahuta, Willie Jackson, Kiri Allan and John Tamihere et al to assume Maori are indigenous to NZ given the overwhelming evidence ... as a Kiwi of Maori heritage I am deeply embarrassed by the deliberate obfuscation of the facts by the Maori Caucus for pecuniary gain 💪
Māori are indigenous to nz
The Maori want this information suppressed, not the lot of New Zealanders. If it is discovered that humans did exist here before they came and killed everyone off it would upset the narrative they try to shove down our throats here, that the Maori were just minding their own business and the white man came along and took everything from them. If we do find out there were humans living in NZ before the Maori it makes them equally as bad at the English settlers, if not worse because at least the Maori aren't extinct, but a human culture that existed in NZ pre-Maori arrival is absolutely extinct.
Science shows Māori were the first people in nz
@@eeeaten word? Currently it is inconclusive. Whatever science you landed on for your opinion is either dated, or incorrect. Plenty of references for you to read up on here mate: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-M%C4%81ori_settlement_of_New_Zealand_theories
@@bobleeswagger474 ?? Your Wikipedia link supports what I said, saying anyone who thinks there were earlier peoples are conspiracy nuts.
nothing precise here what so ever.
Got to love this complete pseudohistory crap and the idiots who lap it up. So, just to clarify the the subject line of this video "official recognition by Auckland University of ancient standing stones" - what does that even mean? The anthropological department took photos but that certainly doesn't mean they gained "official recognition as "ancient standing stones". They may be of Māori origin; they may be naturally occurring but are certainly not pre-Māori as Māori were the first human inhabitants of NZ - and that HAS been officially recognised. Anything else is fanciful nonsense. There's no cover up, no "wall of silence", just scientific research on one side and cretins on the other.
What type of crack are you smoking
A book called Celtic New Zealand by Martin Doutre A must Read !!
Got that book. Martin Doutre is a phenomenal researcher.
@@turehunz342 Yes Good on You Mate 👍 Truth Shines above the BS !!! For People Not afraid to Tell the Truth ❤️
@@turehunz342 phenomenally unqualified?
@@woofwoof9647 doutre is a con artist. save your money.
Still Trolling to suppress Truth@@eeeaten
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Religious drivel
I have met non-European people from New Zealand who claim their ancestors were there before the Maori. There are many things about the history of this planet we don't necessarily know the full story of. However posing the idea that they were from Ireland by simply pointing to some rock features or symbols is not enough. A quick search shows that there are Polynesian symbols which give a very good match to the ones in the video here and spirals are very common. Proper archaeology should bring answers; provide dating and bring the evidence of earlier peoples living and dying to the surface. So I wish you good luck in persuading experienced practitioners to join your work.
There were no people in nz before the eastern Polynesian ancestors of Māori. Māori did not all arrive at once or from the same island, so obviously the later arrivals found (eastern Polynesian) people already here.
I agree. I am an amateur and can only make a calculated deduction in the face of absolutely a wall of silence from the Government and Universities. I long for the day when there is a ministry created to pull in experts Globally to solve this question. The nay sayers are almost without exception Maori.....I wonder why?
@@turehunz342 "nay sayers are almost without exception Maori" - nope. most scientists, historians, anthropologists and archeologists are not maori, and none of them believe there were people in nz before maori.
This is a whole lot of White wash New Zealand BS there4 trying 2 mislead not only Aotearoa History but also the World over Keep Trying 2 give the World your 1 view Narrative of who 1st Settled here 🙈🙉🙊
You kind of answered your own question as to why the government is suppressing this info, at 5:45 you say the real tangata whenua of NZ are these forgotten cultures. That would mean Maori can't claim to be Native & the whole tourist industry of NZ is gone, which would have huge economic impacts. Plus there seems to be a global suppression of ancient cultures & info about where humans come from & what happened to us in the past. To quote George Orwell “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” Follow the money.
even if there was evidence of pre-maori peoples (there isn't), maori would still be recognised as tangata whenua. so no, it would have no impact, and no, there is no conspiracy to hide evidence of early visitors to nz.
@@eeeaten Really?? Even the Maori oral history says there were people in NZ when they got there (watch the doco) There are lots of examples of European culture in NZ but they're ignored, destroyed or kept secret. Why would any government put a suppression order on info until the 2060's if they didn't want anyone knowing about it? It's not just NZ either, there are plenty of examples of governments hiding or destroying evidence of previous people's/cultures from us.
@@scottbramley1778 yes really. No legitimate scientist or historian believes the fantasy nonsense of pre-Māori Europeans, and there is no evidence of any people in nz before Māori. I’m sorry to hear you believe this conspiracy silliness.
Y'all always say Lil this stuff to discredit Māori, when use white colonisers know damn well we have always been civilised people, we've always known how to hunt, build structures, carve, make clothing etc so WTF makes use think we didn't make all these
I think "civilised" is a relative term don't you think?
Corruption is the reason.
This is implausible b/s.
are you creating something to fit some stones
There are interesting Stone arrangements all over NZ. Someone put them there. In maori legend they spoke of the Surveyor people.
@@turehunz342 maori were the only people in new zealand until cook's arrival in 1769.
@@eeeaten Can you offer proof?
@@turehunz342 it's you who has the burden of proof, as there is no evidence for any other peoples, but plenty of evidence of maori. people leave evidence. none of the evidence of humans in nz before cook can be attributed to any people other than polynesians. the most convincing evidence is the dna of pre-european remains - all are polynesian and nothing but polynesian.
I believe that the ancient peoples of New Zeeland were not actually celtic, because that theory is braindead but actually Melanesians
Fair enough. Can you give me evidence for your theory please?
science shows the first people of new zealand were the eastern polynesian ancestors of maori, arriving from around 1250AD.
@@turehunz342 Melanesians were/are short, blonde and blue eye Ded, with some instances of green eyes. Like the Polynesians the Melanesians also traveled across the pacific. Melanesians at one time also inhabited parts of Australia. It isn't hard to imagine they travelled to new Zealand a few thousand years ago either by chance or accident. so in my theory the short haired blonde people are actually Melanesians. the light skin thing wasn't really around until the Europeans landed in New Zealand and they became infused within Māori folklore. At least that's my belief.
@@ryennfilms6429 Melanesians are actually black people and in some cases have blonde hair, with African origins now from Papa New Guines, Vanuatu, Solomons and Fiji characterised by black fuzzy hair. No resemblance to the fair skinned blonde haired blue/green eyed Turehu/Patupaiarehe that Maori talked about to the early CMS missionaries when asked who was here before you?
It's quite possible that the stones described here could predate the Maoris but it seem a stretch to suggest that Irish people travelled to New Zealand thousands of years ago.
Maori were stone carvers too, so were the chinese etc etc.
Yes, it is a bit of guess work but with the variety of megalithic structures around the planet, plus New Grange and Knoweth stones being identical, I guess this is a bridge to cross. Be great to have Irish Archaeologists visit NZ in an official capacity to help us.
@@turehunz342 there are no megalithic structures in nz.
The "standing stones" are nothing.
As you seem to have expertise in this area can you let me know your take on standing stones?
@@turehunz342 they're just rocks.
Political dynamite...
more like mushy peas
We should embrace our history like the UK and Europe does and learn from it. Why do you think Maori would be upset if the official line was that a white race of people were here long before?
@@turehunz342 there were no people before maori. but even if there were, maori would still be tangata whenua.
mo e how mountain!!! you can't even pronounce the name correctly an you're an authority on this?!!
Thank you for pointing this out. My pronunciation of Maori is probably as good as you in pronouncing German!
My boys were sitting in a cafe in Taupo and an elderly Maori man came and sat with them and proceeded to tell them they were more "maori" than he was because the men with blonde hair and red whiskers were here before Maori.
i hope he's getting the mental health support he needs.
They taught the Maori their Royal caste tattoos etc
@@philipthomas3938 what
they were albino pale skinned people you could tell the differential between pakeha and the patupaiarehe, this gives a reason to say they were here first which Is a lot of kak.
@@melaroha8003 at one off the churchs ahh go to a abbino lady there told me she got stuck in a remote valley in China and the locals there all looked like her- allbino.''