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Deer University Episode 078 – Predicting antler size from doe body weight
Show Notes -
In this conversation, Bronson, Steve, and Mark Turner discuss the relationship between doe body weight and buck antler size. Mark's research at the University of Tennessee aimed to evaluate how deer body and antler size varied across the eastern US and what habitat characteristics were associated with bigger deer. The results showed a consistent relationship between doe body weight and buck antler size, with an 8.5-inch increase in antler size for every 10-pound increase in doe body mass. This relationship provides a predictive equation that can help property managers and hunters assess and improve buck antler size by focusing on increasing doe body weight. The conversation also includes topics like harvest bias, compositional bias, and monitoring techniques.
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Takeaways:
There is a consistent relationship between doe body weight and adult buck antler size, with an 8.5-inch increase in antler size for every 10-pound increase in doe body weight.
Increasing doe body weight can lead to larger buck antler size, providing a predictive equation for property managers and hunters to assess and improve antler size.
Harvest bias and compositional bias can affect the accuracy of data collected on deer populations, and monitoring techniques should account for these biases.
Understanding the relationship between doe body weight and buck antler size can help property managers and hunters make informed decisions about deer management and habitat improvement.
Further research is needed to explore the variation in doe body weight and antler size across different regions and climates.
Sound Bites:
"If you can produce 120-inch does, your average mature male is gonna be 139 inches."
"When you give them food and manage the habitat, doe body weights respond, bucks respond, antlers respond."
"If you're not seeing the size of deer that you think you should be seeing, it may be that pulling the trigger is the issue."
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Відео

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Part 1: Importance of Forestry and Deer Management
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Part 2: Forest Management Impacts on Deer Habitat Quality
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Part 8: Managing Native Forages Vs Planting Food Plots
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Part 7: Management Scenarios
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Part 3: Site Preparation Treatments
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Part 4: Mid-Rotation Management and Wildlife Benefits
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Part 6: Stump Sprouts to Create Localized Nutrient Pulses for Deer
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In this episode we visit with Dr. Natasha Ellison to review her findings relative to buck use of food plots during the hunting season. How often are they visiting food plots pre-rut, peak-rut, and post-rut? When are bucks spending more time on food plots? How does hunting pressure affect these relationships? Natasha is a Mathematical Ecologist and is helping us dig deeper in the buck movement d...
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Deer Management Concepts: Management Approaches and Population Dynamics - Part 1
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An important component of managing white-tailed deer includes managing populations. In this course, you will learn basic principles of population dynamics including deer herd growth and health as well as regulatory factors and how these play a role in dictating how landowners and managers meet their deer management objectives.
Deer University Episode 075 - Pulling the Covers Off Buck Beds
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Deer University, Episode 072 - Fall food plots: How late is too late?
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Food Plot Shorts - Pure Live Seed
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Episode 071 - Rubs and Scrapes with Karl Miller
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Episode 70 - Buck Breeding Value and Management Implications with Randy DeYoung
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Episode 69 - Burn Baby, Burn
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Reproductive Ecology Part 3
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Reproductive Ecology Part 1
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Reproductive Ecology Part 1
Reproductive Ecology Part 4
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Reproductive Ecology Part 4
Reproductive Ecology Part 2
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02 CWD and Me: Deer Biologists Are Hunters, Too
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02 CWD and Me: Deer Biologists Are Hunters, Too
01 CWD and Me: Real Hunters Sharing Real CWD Experiences
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01 CWD and Me: Real Hunters Sharing Real CWD Experiences
03 CWD and Me: Perspectives
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Part 1 - Regional Variation in Antler and Body Size: Is it Nutrition or Genetics?
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КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @WayneGreenlee-h6r
    @WayneGreenlee-h6r День тому

    When is the rut in the area of the bucks collared?

  • @thehuntersight7548
    @thehuntersight7548 4 дні тому

    "If you can produce 120-inch does, your average mature male is gonna be 139 inches." you might want to edit your sound bite notes up top in description to "lbs" vs "inch" Thanks again fellas for awesome information and sharing this for FREE! Love the content

  • @matthewwichtner2935
    @matthewwichtner2935 4 дні тому

    Interesting as always gentleman! Thank you😊

  • @TheMws1
    @TheMws1 4 дні тому

    Is the doe weight gross or dressed ?

    • @thehuntersight7548
      @thehuntersight7548 4 дні тому

      good question, I was wondering same thing. I am assuming gross but assumptions ....

    • @MarkTurner-lr3xd
      @MarkTurner-lr3xd 2 дні тому

      This is using gross female weight. Should have mentioned that and thanks for listening!

  • @TheMws1
    @TheMws1 4 дні тому

    Where did July go ?

  • @JB-JB-JB-JB
    @JB-JB-JB-JB 10 днів тому

    Thanks for all your help Natasha (sp?) and these gentlemen will get a firm talking to from their wives and daughters believe you..me..! 😆😉

  • @JB-JB-JB-JB
    @JB-JB-JB-JB 10 днів тому

    I really enjoy this channel and the knowledge and insight that your guests and educational personnel offer BUT you guys failed miserably on this video. First! You should introduce your guests initially so that they are setting there like an idiot waiting on the idiots that invited them. AND you should not use She when she is present! Very rude of you “gentlemen” you should’ve introduced the lady first and then we could’ve heard from dumb dumb that can’t do math. Shame on you guys, where’s your southern manners! Hope you fix this in the future.

  • @JBearTrades
    @JBearTrades 15 днів тому

    Regarding the deer movement in daylight hours - You’re not factoring in the total number of daylight hours declining during the hunting season. Deer are obviously going to start feeding more at night as there are simply increasing dark hours. Look at the chart Afternoon vs Morning in October vs December and change the colors to one color and you’ll see almost the exact same distribution over both months. Show the same chart as a time scale and you’ll see it’s a total # of daylight hours scenario vs pressure. Love the vid!

  • @Anthony-q5l
    @Anthony-q5l 16 днів тому

    🚧🪱🪂 0:59 🥜🥃🍯🚨🦨🦔🕊️

  • @littlecreekbowclub5288
    @littlecreekbowclub5288 Місяць тому

    Another awesome episode, thank yall for all the hard work that you share with us!!

  • @jamiegroth7651
    @jamiegroth7651 Місяць тому

    Such an interesting process.

  • @travisshuttleworth630
    @travisshuttleworth630 Місяць тому

    What happens if you remove all feeders from an area, but keep the food plots, and visa versa? Is one of those more attractive to mature bucks during daylight hours?

  • @brushcrawler8612
    @brushcrawler8612 Місяць тому

    I live in an area where logging is common and sometimes the DNR will spray herbicide on a clearcut when they're changing from deciduous stand to an evergreen stand. With food plotting being so common, it might be a good time to study deer health in areas of active herbicide/pesticide use vs areas of no herbicide/pesticide use. Might have to start out with weaned fawns to get accurate results on the control end.???

  • @SerenadaWildlife
    @SerenadaWildlife Місяць тому

    Oohh, so cute!

  • @Mossy-back-blacktail
    @Mossy-back-blacktail Місяць тому

    I appreciate the video. Geared in Southwest Washington will have red clover come in the beginning of March and will be gone by mid-may when are winter wheat is the only thing that's in front of it.

  • @MrFishguy60
    @MrFishguy60 2 місяці тому

    While the moon may not have an effect on the bedding data. I have solid data that the moon has an effect on when they show to eat. I would be glad to share. It's deep. You know, if we put our data together, we may really learn something.

  • @scottwilson2039
    @scottwilson2039 2 місяці тому

    Scott Wilson, here. I red flagged your video 3 different ways and times. And while I can't hear well enough because of the type of hearing disability that I have, and that you were deliberately attacking me feloniously via, to tell what - all - your comments and mind games related to me were, I do know that you're a major level one of the Maranconi's people and a-holes -- and that you're also in need of arrest and prosecution. And while I don't know if the majority of the student body, faculty and staff of Mississippi State University are goodhearted people or typical a-hole Maranconi's people like you, but either way, both FYI and relatedly, attached is my latest email thread and Affidavit draft, as follows: ''This 03:00 Resend Needed for Reiteration: Re. In Infuriation and Absolute Disgust'' drive.google.com/file/d/1-9z0HkJaeM4vwwt-jD75SF7K6aIXFjaA/view?usp=drivesdk Eagerly awaiting your, your UA-cam channel followers', and Mississippi State University's administration's responses via courier or U.S. mail, I remain. In Christ: Yours faithfully, Scott Wilson P.O. Box 198102 Nashville, TN 37202

  • @Aaron-sl9lu
    @Aaron-sl9lu 2 місяці тому

    I know it doesn’t impact the south YET, but MSU needs to start providing research and education about wolves. Non-managed wolf populations have decimated the northern 1/3rd of what many consider the holy grail whitetail state of Wisconsin. The wolf is spreading rapidly into Central Wisconsin and even the southern portion of the state. Packs of 20 plus animals are destroying the deer population in my neighborhood of Waupaca County which historically is a top trophy buck area. Nothing is being done 😢

  • @cosmicren
    @cosmicren 2 місяці тому

    They look creepy shed...😬

  • @markalleman4520
    @markalleman4520 2 місяці тому

    98lbs/acre per year of forage with cowpeas? More like 3000-5000lbs per acre.

  • @Andrew-sanders
    @Andrew-sanders 2 місяці тому

    A cattleman can bring a pasture up 200 plus cows days on 45 day rotation. My oak silvo pasture is 300 goat day's on a 90 day rotation. Your productivity is pretty low with the amount of input. I also have about 40 deer that stay on the property eating where the goats was 30-40 days before.

  • @turtlebackflapjack
    @turtlebackflapjack 2 місяці тому

    Great video showing the before and after bloom

  • @lgvmobile
    @lgvmobile 2 місяці тому

    Wow, awesome information gave me alot of ideas. I've been watching alot of videos on improving my property and this one fits my current situation financially and goals for my property ! Keep up the awesome work !

  • @allenbarnes3435
    @allenbarnes3435 2 місяці тому

    What is the constant number for or mean?

  • @perrybowers344
    @perrybowers344 2 місяці тому

    Very good work ya’ll.. Thank You for sharing.

  • @user-xd5rk8xo4c
    @user-xd5rk8xo4c 2 місяці тому

    Nice work. Are there plans to monitor deer use in year 3 and 4?

  • @Bbbb4life
    @Bbbb4life 2 місяці тому

    Deer will see you from a mile away if there is no mid story. Doesn't work for a bowhunter

  • @lancebrinkley5637
    @lancebrinkley5637 2 місяці тому

    If I'm on timber company land that doesn't burn. Can I mow certain rows of thinned pines every year or every other year? This way I can get some new growth from it.

  • @robertduguay689
    @robertduguay689 2 місяці тому

    How about oak sprouts?

  • @L0opZz_z
    @L0opZz_z 2 місяці тому

    The spot where the antlers were just looks nasty

  • @Arylice
    @Arylice 2 місяці тому

    Lmao, scientist do tests to understand better the disease... Infects rats, rodents, pigs, primates... All showing conflicting conclusions... In order to learn more about it, we should let some humans have the choice to infect themselves for future study... What could go wrong

  • @Arylice
    @Arylice 2 місяці тому

    Someone ate an infected bat, what could go wrong with an infected deer haha... Ha...

  • @chemistcurtis
    @chemistcurtis 2 місяці тому

    What is the best time to plant vetch? Is it an annual where you need to plant it every year? What is a good companion crop for it?

  • @wieslawszypniewski6954
    @wieslawszypniewski6954 3 місяці тому

    CWD -> becom es Creuzfedt Jacob fatal disease for people. DON"T CONSIUME MEAT FROM CWD ANIMALS

  • @travisshuttleworth630
    @travisshuttleworth630 3 місяці тому

    Im in Ohio and i have so many natural crabapple trees that theyre almost invasive lol but my brother killed a nice buck last year November 10th and his stomach had at least 20 crab apples in it so im happy to let the trees grow lol

  • @Sunshine-se6yn
    @Sunshine-se6yn 3 місяці тому

    Thank you. I know nothing about deer and so it was interesting hearing you tell us about the growth cycle of antlers.

  • @stevepearson7069
    @stevepearson7069 3 місяці тому

    Love to see break outs by buck age to see how things change by age.

  • @gemloverallday6389
    @gemloverallday6389 3 місяці тому

    Neighbor is growing some of this. Is it harmful to pets?

  • @barrettrickels5859
    @barrettrickels5859 3 місяці тому

    Great episode! Every deer hunter should listen to this podcast. Keep up the good work.

  • @Bubakarrr
    @Bubakarrr 3 місяці тому

    Great work fellas!

  • @Jaggerbush
    @Jaggerbush 3 місяці тому

    Who does the illustrations? Y'all credited everyone but the who made this look so great.

  • @jackjack-lq4de
    @jackjack-lq4de 3 місяці тому

    Bullshit have the politicians eat it or the doctors that work for fish and wildlife for the state wouldn't touch it.

  • @DrBlues76
    @DrBlues76 3 місяці тому

    Thanks, I’m considering adding some clover to my yard this coming fall.

  • @chrisstroud3094
    @chrisstroud3094 3 місяці тому

    How does age of bucks related to all this

  • @markalleman4520
    @markalleman4520 3 місяці тому

    Just speculation but is there a chance that the people planting multiple acre food plots are planting better quality food plots. Given the cost associated with plant larger, one could assume the people planting them have access to better equipment and are more knowledgeable and using better methods. Comparing a guy spreading rye grass on a logging road to an experienced land manager planting corn and beans with a no till drill.

  • @Er1kP3t3rs0n
    @Er1kP3t3rs0n 3 місяці тому

    I would be interested to see a comparison with visit time and food plot size preference. Are the midday visits still showing preference to 4 acre plots? Or are the midday visits showing preference to smaller plots where cover is closer?

  • @ChilcoteForestryServices
    @ChilcoteForestryServices 3 місяці тому

    I would love to see an analysis of bucks over 2.5 yo, movement x wind direction on the ground, hypothesis being older bucks never move without the wind letting them know what's ahead of them

  • @danbruder7604
    @danbruder7604 3 місяці тому

    Maybe the 4 acre food plot preference is the sweet spot between proximity to cover and large enough for abundant forage with the opportunity for more does!

  • @matthewwichtner2935
    @matthewwichtner2935 3 місяці тому

    Yeah a better one. And it helps when you say you don't have all the data yet. That makes the world a difference. Thanks Luke. People want to jump to conclusions for whatever reasons. Appreciate it. Many of us do. Thanks😊

  • @ChefBased888
    @ChefBased888 3 місяці тому

    Does this information transfer equally to black tail deer ?