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Where is the proof of this letter from the Patriarch of Constantinople to Charles Darwin? Chatgpt says it doesnt exist.

I don't think you've really grasped what the Inquisition was, particularly as it spanned many centuries and countries and was different in each. You've picked on Galileo, but even then a number of senior clergy supported him. The Roman Church during the Middle Ages, for instance, was not against science as it viewed everything as being created by God and therefore scientific exploration was simply the study of Him and His creation. Many of the Inquisition's harsh reactions were based on the advance of Protestantism across Europe and their fear of anything which seemed to criticise the Roman Church as esposed at the Council of Trent. Therefore, I think that to postulate that there is a fundamental difference with Orthodox Christianity in the understanding of the Creator and His Creation is incorrect.

This over-correction is bordering on being very wrong. First, the "scientific method" does not produce epistemologically valid knowledge, it is not knowledge but theory and can only remain as theory. It is knowledge in so far as it is techne, practice, and even then it is suspect, there is no "scientific knowledge", science means knowledge. Saying scientific knowledge is like saying "knowledgy knowledge". What you call scientific knowledge is more aptly called "the empirico-deductive method of investigation", knowledge it is not. The Eucharist is knowledge, love is knowledge. Second, "literal" is one of the senses of the Scripture, and the literal sense does not mean what you think it does, you are using an Enlightenment notion of knowledge and of literality to undermine the literal sense of the Scripture. The Scriptures are literal, just not in the forensic sense that you mean. To deny the literality of the Bible is not Orthodox, but a product of post-Enlightenment Western intellectual history.

Rightly said that the scope of scripture is therapeutic! Having said this, not everything that scientists publicly say is necessarily factual. E.g. not even Darwin himself saw his theory as a fact, as he saw that it could not account for the Cambrian explosion. Neither do many modern evolutionary biologists, at least in their research papers. However, those who speak to the non-scientific public mostly present it as a fact. In the meantime, the extremely high complexity of the smallest possible living cells begs to modern scientists the question, how it is possible to evolve such a complex system on a pre-biotic earth, i.e. from a time prior to the existence of cells, merely by random mutation -- let alone to evolve into even more complex systems of complex cells afterwards. They would love to imitate this in the laboratory -- so far without success. So, yes, the origin of life and the appearance of species are both still a mystery, at least to scientists, regardless of how it is presented to the public. As you quoted: "science has not yet said its last word" on the origin of life, species and man.

If we see everything in the bible as metaphorical, that doesnt fit to modern science, then also the quran, the bahavad gita, the nordic rune stones are right about the upcoming of the universe and the Earth, in a metaphorical way. But then the god/gods in the bible, in the quran, in the baghavad gita, in the rune stones is/are also only metaphorical god/gods. As a Deist I send you a lot human love :)

Love it, as a convert & former atheist I’ve always been skeptical of the Biblical Literalism and Young Earth Creationism so common among American Evangelicals and have always been of the opinion that Genesis was primarily metaphorical, good work

I begun studying Orthodox Christianity for about couple months now after spending half my life as a muslim and the other half as a theist. I always thought about the way science and religion used to coexist with each other prior to Darwinian thought and how the modern world really separates the two as if they are the opposites. I would have loved to have you as a lecturer since having in my nation one seldom comes by Christians let alone those as wise as you. I thank you very much for the time you dedicate to your content.

I knew something felt off about all the American Orthodox I know embracing OT literalism. I think its Protestant converts bringing in their own baggage. My preist and chatechist were pretty clear that the OT is about deep human truths, not scientific facts.

6:00 - _The stories in the book of Genesis were the first steps of humanity in the path that has led to Christianity, where that former, simpler understanding of dim antiquity has been replaced with the understanding of creation through Logos._ 👌 Fundamentalism is a sub-set of Modernism, because it too is obsessed with scientific certainty. Both look to "the Enlightenment" 🤮 as the goal of history, now behind us - fundamentalists just don't realize that's what they are doing. Here you point out that Progress is a real part of our history, but that its goal was always the incarnation of God in Christ.

As I said the King James is the best we got. Is it perfect? No but it's the least corrupted we just have navigate and test the word while also researching real historical accounts of that time as we go. What kind of logic are you asserting? There is plenty of evidence that there was a huge world wide Flood that fits the Bible and there are people who defend the Canonicity of the Book of First Enoch. Not to mention Jubilees and 2nd Esdras do defend First Enoch being canon. Please notice too I was very specific with my words. First Enoch. Not second or third enoch those accounts have been tested by the god culture to be frauds which don't fit the Dead Sea scrolls found in Qumran and are done by some very bad groups who dealt in should we say evil magic doctrines and outside strange theology God would stiffly reject as abominable. Qumran was a very good place that the sons of Zodak mentioned in Ezekiel operated in even during the life of Jesus and they rejected the institutions who took power over the kingdom who were appointed by the Hasmonean Dynasty after the Hasmonean revolt that happened in 167 B.C. Groups like the pharisees and sadducees who began changing the word when they took power. The sons of Zodak rejected them even after they were exiled from the 2nd temple by force. If you are wondering about the Dead Sea Scrolls authenticity test the works of the Sons of Zodak and their faith in God. Even 200 years after Jesus there were Roman records that addressed there was still a people there who practiced Sabbaths and didn't practice what the pharisees were doing with that same area. So some people were still there at that point and were practicing God's word. Plus the nephilim's existence in the Bible is supported across these books and that they were a menace to mankind and the kingdom of Yahsar'el the 12 tribes. Considering Jubilees clears up sodom, gomorrah, and two other cities is in the Dead Sea and that the land is desolated until after the end times I would say it checks it out alot as being consistent to the Bible. Interesting enough even Babylonian Culture's own myths kind of validate the Old Testament Bible with their tales of The Epic of Erra and the Terrible 7. Even if they used that event and morphed it for their own idol narratives it nontheless unintentionally validates the Old Testament. You really need to check out Jubilees it is a good book which many do support being canon and part of the Old Testament there are so many misunderstandings a person can easily develop that it clears up and there is alot of history about it that supports it being Torah.

I think you are missing some critical pieces of information in your perspective that leaves out major gaps. I recommend using the KJV as a frame of reference as it is the best to use but also mind you I recommend reading the books of First Enoch & Jubilees which act as witnesses providing further context to Genesis with proper context of what happened. First Enoch and Jubilees is very important to understanding the theology clearer. The book of 2nd Esdras too helps. Some people study these books and include them in their Bible studies like the god culture youtube channel and a few others I watch from time to time like Eredin, Angelegend, Timothy Alberino, and Right Response Ministries use them in their studies understanding Bible theology, concepts, and the timeline of events and where they happened and why. The best thing about Jubilees is that it goes into unique detail about the locations of certain places like the Tower of Babel, sodom and gomorrah, and the timeline from then to the time of Moses.

Great informative video - thank you, and God bless.

The account says Noah didn't need to collect the animals himself. Fish are not LAND animals. Invertebrates can survive in water. Plants are not LAND ANIMALS and their seeds can survive in water. Your take on this is absolutely ignorant and ridiculous. The OT absolutely can be read literally with the parts that are intended to be literal. There are obviously figures of speech and poetic language. Try again.

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You need a KJV Bible to start with, then you need a healthy dose of common sense. Bacteria.....😂

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I'm not saying you're wrong, I've just never, ever heard this before. You are claiming that because western Christians couldn't read Greek, they had no idea of the connection between the second person of the Trinity, the Word, and logic, because they were unfamiliar with the Greek word "Logos" and its simultaneous synthesis of meanings: word, speech, logic, principle. I would love to see some sources of what you are claiming. I've always understood that Western Christians did understand very well the principle of Christ as the incarnate Logos. One reason they differ from us Orthodox is that they believe in the Filioque, wherein the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Logos. From our point of view, this means that in practice, they overly try to explain the work of the Holy Spirit as something more logical and rational than it is. My understanding is that from the Orthodox point of view, it is not that the Catholics don't believe in logic, it is rather than they overemphasize trying to rationally explain everything in precise philosophical terminology. Some of the things you said about the Inquisition trying to stamp out science/reason are Protestant propaganda. The truth is a little more complicated.

how does one deal with the fact that flood narratives occur all over the world, even among nativ peoples of the Americas? It seems to be a long-lost memory of an actual event.

The Sacred Inquisition wasn't a church wide thing really Basically just in the Hispanic Empire

I just came across this and another one of your videos on this topic, since I have been learning more about Eastern Orthodoxy lately. This is extremely interesting and really made my jaw drop. I'm also a bit confused, though, becasue the other day I watched a video by Fr. Spyridon (Follow the Science? - Discern the Lies), in which he basically says that evolution is a lie and that it isn't correct to follow logic; what I would call a typical Western Christian outlook on things and one of the main reasons most would consider Christianity to be utter nonsense. I've heard some other Orthodox priests say similar things recently. I'm guessing that you are not a priest, and do not speak for the Eastern Orthodox Church, so the question is, what is the actual view on this by the Eastern Orthodox Church as a whole nowadays? Do they all deny science and reality when it comes to evolution and, for exampe, the reality of the Covid virus and vaccines, or are those just a few rogue priests that think this way that way? I really do appreciate this and the other video by you that I've watched. You do a really nice job of presenting the points that you wish to make. I will definitely be looking more into your channel and the sources that you are quoting from.

As an orthodox, can you share any church fathers other than schismatics like Origen that affirm this view?

The fathers pretty much all affirm adam and eve must be literal. Death not being present has to be taken literally

There was a type of persecution of the Bogomils.

Just another heretic who is casting doubt on God's Word, trying to make out that God is a liar which of course is Satan's main tactic. Nearly most people who dig a bit deeper knows that the water for the flood came from the layer of water between the crust and the mantle. It was super heated and under super pressure so when the crust cracked (See the mid Atlantic Rift) this water shot up into space.

God didn’t tell Noah to collect 7 pairs of every species, but kinds. Big difference. He would have needed less that 3 thousand different animals. Obviously wouldn’t need fish on a boat lol

But it literally happened this way, and the entire Bible is

The 40 days and 40 nights is referencing the "Windows of Heaven were opened." Now if you read in the first chapter, it will tell you where this extra water came from. God said, "may the waters beneath the firmament be separated from the waters above the same firmament and the waters above is called Heaven, or the 1st Heaven. The 1st Heaven is completely oceans. This is where the extra water came from. The fountain of the Great Deep is the ring of fire busting forth. The separation of the landmasses is what come out of that event. Lol. The Bible does not specify how long Noah had to build the arch. I always read NKJV. Idk what you're reading. Lol.

While I agree that it is difficult to read Gen literally, there are Geologists that point to evidence for a flood.

The inquisition in Spain came about because a certain group was destabilizing their country. Convert or leave.

Orthodox were to busy trying to stay alive while the caliphs, the horde, the Latins and many others thought it was a good idea to enslave and burn down the orthodox world. Plenty of Greeks, Arabs, Slavs, basically all the orthodox ethnostates at some point religiously ended a few witches, magicians, sooth sayers and so on. They just lacked means. The islamists did it for them.

I love your narrating style, pace and tone of voice. Very calming and enjoyable.

A man whispering...What a way to gey people to leave...

Evolution is fake and ghey

Well because they just pushed the you-know-whos into the Pale of Settlement.

Amazing video! This is on of my first exposures to orthodox thought

it's to the orthodox's church's dishonour that they had/have no issue with galileo and his ilk.

The Church’s problem with Galileo was not with his scientific findings, but because he tried to phrase it as Church doctrine. Multiple noted scientists were religious Catholics and Protestants, such as Francis Bacon, Voltaire, Darwin, Galileo, Servetus, and many others. Name one religious Orthodox scientist from that period that has as much influence on science than those who I pointed out? I can’t think of one at all, because most Orthodox intellectuals were busy with mysticism and busy marrying the Church with the State (*cough cough* Russia).

This doesn't represent western christianity at all. Mayyyybe American protestantism.

People who want to debunk evolution must first of all answer this question: if all the organisms in the fossil record used to be alive at the same time somewhere in the past, wouldn't that mean that the earth used to be extremely overpopulated?

You did persecuted Copts , Armenians and Syrians for centuries

I'm a Russian Orthodox Christian, this man is strenuously trying to equate the divine revelation of the Church to the status quo scientism of modern day. Galileo WAS wrong. The scientific method is contrary to Orthodox epistemological doctrine so we have throw all of that out. Everything coming from the Renaissance and enlightenment is of the antichrist, since Christ has already come there can be no new revelation - there can be no new ideas - Fr Seraphim Rose. The inquisition would've been a justified prospect if the Latin church hadn't apostisized.

I am a theistic evolutionist, but I disagree (and also agree) in many things with you. I think you should take another way instead of saying that the Old testament is only allegory without importance or discussion.

Truth dont need Inquisition. Holy Peter the Aleut pray for us sinners.

Peter the Great was a reformer, he was modernizing the country AND the Church, thus he had to deal with old-fashioned elements in it. It had nothing to do with a classical Inquisition, those were two currents within the Church struggling against one another. Orthodoxy didn't have an Inquisition simply because it was highly decentralized. Local bishops had to rely on local people and their support. Tyrannical oppression was much harder in small counties and communities, unlike within institutions that held centralized, international power, like the Catholic Church.

great video ty

Typical distortions and propaganda.

Because you have no authority and are already over run with heresy

Why is it that you believe the Old Testament is mythological but the New Testament is a literal historical account? Is it not more reasonable that all of the extraordinary and impossible claims made in the gospels are just as mythological as the ones in the OT?

Because the Catholics are not Christians see the Council of Trent However the orthodox are Christian

Galileo was kicked out for preaching doctrinal heresy not for his scientific views. For that matter the Church always has invested in the sciences moreso than any other organization. The Roman Church of the west always has believed and asserted speculative inquiry. I get the Orthodox angst against Rome but there is no need to engage in outright lies which were perpetuated by nonChristian sources.