Found in Antiquity: Latin
Found in Antiquity: Latin
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We need to talk about Latinitas.
We need to be able to critically discuss Latinitas in the context of Latin teaching, including in CI Latin books and self-published novellas. Speech rules banning public criticism of novellas cause greater tension and shame surrounding these issues without solving the underlying causes. A healthy community needs to be willing to hear both praise and criticism, which are both part of genuine communication. The pressure to keep telling teachers to publish more novellas for the good of CI has encouraged the proliferation of unquestioned self-publishing strategies instead of giving our community the resources and processes needed to refine and adapt our projects to be more useful outside of the teacher's own classroom.
You can read the full essay here in text format: foundinantiquity.com/2024/04/15/we-need-to-talk-about-latinitas/
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Timestamps:
0:00:00 Coming up
0:00:14 Project updates
0:01:05 Context of this essay
0:02:00 Introduction and short definition of Latinitas
0:03:35 Incident of silencing novella criticism
0:08:54 What I will and will not refute
0:12:15 LNDb arguments used to silence criticism of novellas
0:15:20 Re: 1. What they wrote works for them
0:16:55 Re: 2. Criticism is unsolicited, embarassing, degrading
0:34:08 Re: 3. Criticism may be wrong
0:36:45 Re: 4. Latinitas is an unknowable construct
0:43:41 Re: 5. Publish your own books instead of criticising
0:49:06 Negative consequences of silencing novella criticism
0:52:53 Teachers burdened with responsibility for the CI movement's success
0:56:10 Answering possible objections to this essay
1:01:28 Final thoughts
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  • @mattfuller651
    @mattfuller651 2 дні тому

    Both can and do work. What your goals are matters. Exposure and understanding grammar are both important. GT requires extensive input at some point. CI requires studying grammar at some point. The difference is which one you start with. Both can get you to the same level of proficiency they are two roads that lead to the same place.

  • @Diego-ql1oq
    @Diego-ql1oq 6 днів тому

    Gratias tibi!

  • @NvrchFotia
    @NvrchFotia 7 днів тому

    You can add that short i pronunciation to the list of common errors

  • @陈孜-n3t
    @陈孜-n3t 8 днів тому

    I have a question why the perfect subjunctive is used here? I know it is hypothesis,but why can't other tenses of subjunctive be used instead?(Si dixerunt ... esse pulcherrimam, ... erint irata)

  • @JamesSummers-tm7rx
    @JamesSummers-tm7rx 11 днів тому

    See the Face in the cloud

  • @BNWilliamGaming
    @BNWilliamGaming 11 днів тому

    This is genuinely helping me learn Latin, as I know the rickroll by heart, even owning multiple CDs containing it!

  • @cadian101st
    @cadian101st 13 днів тому

    Should be noted that MattVsJapan has for whatever reason mostly obscured the fact that he had taken traditional Japanese classes and had speaking practice before he started primarily input based methods. I think the idea that people spontaneously get the ability to speak after passing a nebulous threshold of input is highly suspect, and that starting to output in some form after a few months is much more beneficial than staying silent for years

  • @Jimserac
    @Jimserac 15 днів тому

    Wow this is great !! Latin treated as a language instead of an historical artifact !! Who would have thunk it !!!

  • @Jimserac
    @Jimserac 15 днів тому

    In retirement, there were two languages that I wanted to learn, Latin and Chinese. After months of searching, I discovered that late Qing era Chinese with traditional characters was the best for me to learn and am well along in learning it after a year, after finding the perfect course, an out of copyright course on bilibili from 1926. Now turning to Latin, I have a similar problem, have spent weeks trying to find just the right course. I saw Orberg, it is good but not quite my cup of tea. However, again and again, I find the older courses and books to my taste. I have heard the wonderful UA-cam audio of Rouse teaching his students in the 1930's and other of the old books seem useful, like the Lewis and Short dictionary. I have seen the wonderful Harry Potter books in Latin but, alas, there is no detailed tutorials so it is way too advanced for a beginner. But YOUR postings, seem more like a modern version of WH Rouse and are way more to my taste. Many thanks, I shall listen to them with interest.

  • @gerria2000
    @gerria2000 16 днів тому

    Thank you, this is beautiful!

  • @fekixrudolfbischof
    @fekixrudolfbischof 17 днів тому

    The Italian Latin speaker should learn to minimize his Italien accent: 'est' not 'este', etc.

  • @luau5974
    @luau5974 18 днів тому

    While searching for an audio of this song in Latin, I learned it was originally written in French, contrary to other religious songs (Adeste Fideles comes to mind). Thank you for putting the audio on UA-cam.

  • @JenniferWilkey-s9e
    @JenniferWilkey-s9e 20 днів тому

    Multas gratias tibi, Magistrae! Discipuli mei hoc spectabunt cras. Est optime factum!

  • @Bluey571
    @Bluey571 22 дні тому

    #1 song of 86 a.d

  • @quattroSPT
    @quattroSPT 27 днів тому

    Very informative

  • @bart-v
    @bart-v 27 днів тому

    Only 400 copies of your Lover's Course sold????? I live in Europe and I bought one of them. Great book!

  • @alejandrofernandez3478
    @alejandrofernandez3478 28 днів тому

    I was looking around youtube trying to find readings and interpretations of this poem and I'd love to learn and perform your version.. would that be ok? please let me know.. otherwise I'll just play it to the sparrows on the tree outside my window... also would that rhythm in 9/4 have been common for songs and poems when that sparrow was alive?

    • @FoundinAntiquity
      @FoundinAntiquity 24 дні тому

      Yes, you can perform this song! I'm not very well versed in what we know of music prior to the Baroque Period unfortunately. All I vaguely remember is that in medieval music, it was common for music to have pretty loose time, rather than fixed time signatures, at least from what I can see of the Gregorian chant that I've played before. Maybe some music historian would be able to say whether fixed time signatures were a thing in classical times, and what time signatures they favoured, and where the main beat landed in each bar (I have a vague memory of someone telling me that ancient music emphasises the end of the bar instead of the start, but don't quote me on that, I might be getting mixed up with Indonesian gamelan for all I know).

    • @alejandrofernandez3478
      @alejandrofernandez3478 24 дні тому

      @FoundinAntiquity thank you so much! I'll share here if I manage to learn and record it. I imagine they didn't have this 4/4 fixation we have these days!

  • @catullusisdead
    @catullusisdead Місяць тому

    Nothing beats Catullus the choice of the new generation

  • @brian2007tube
    @brian2007tube Місяць тому

    pelliculā? New Latin for a film??

  • @teacherconor9037
    @teacherconor9037 Місяць тому

    Nigellus transibit Rubiconem?

  • @aeon6706
    @aeon6706 Місяць тому

    LLPSI was written in a different time about a VERY different time... its not surprising that they viewed things very differently... if we still had the same values as we did back then and didnt find slavery and corporal punishment abhorrent... then we wouldnt have made any progress toward a better society... Although i often wonder what might have been if Rome had never fallen and we could have skipped the dark ages...

  • @dusan_xdx1382
    @dusan_xdx1382 Місяць тому

    Qurm vocat Juno, quem Venus, quem Lunerua?

  • @bmcdermott
    @bmcdermott Місяць тому

    I love this! As a Latin teacher, do you have any advice on how someone can get back into learning Latin at home? I studied Latin GCSE (UK) in school and achieved a very high mark, but that was 6 years ago now and I haven't studied it since. I would love to get back into it and use it in my everyday life. Any tips for a textbook etc. to start with?

  • @williambunter3311
    @williambunter3311 Місяць тому

    Thank you for this. The main important thing is that whatever approach one chooses to adopt, a lot of reading is the key to success.

  • @SierraGax
    @SierraGax Місяць тому

    to err is human, and we are all human:)

  • @milkjar-n6r
    @milkjar-n6r Місяць тому

    Thanks mate!

  • @ellenorbjornsdottir1166
    @ellenorbjornsdottir1166 Місяць тому

    I find I engage a lot of «decodology», which is a thing I (a de facto English monolingual - I can speak one other language, whose flag is plain green and has a green star in a white canton, but I don't count that) can do with some Romance languages, mostly French and Italian but also some Spanish and the Latin in the early stages of Familia Romana, where I sort of 50-70% (even higher depending on the usage) understand what's happening, without actually being able to read or speak those languages.

    • @ellenorbjornsdottir1166
      @ellenorbjornsdottir1166 Місяць тому

      i also find the LLPSI story itself with the slavery and physical punishment _problematic_.

    • @FoundinAntiquity
      @FoundinAntiquity Місяць тому

      @@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 ohh yes the corporal punishment and casually owning a hundred slaves really ick me as I read it

  • @أفلاكالأفكار
    @أفلاكالأفكار Місяць тому

    Interesting video overall but I don't know why there is such a focus on "the latest research" when we have a method that worked great for centuries: 1) Give the students a basic text of real Latin (not an artificially construed textbook) 2) Have them translate from Latin to English 3) Once they do that well, have them translate from English back to Latin And slowly increase the difficulty over time whilst also have the students produce Latin through essays and orations. And once they have a very solid base of vocabulary (absolutely burned into their minds from doing so much translation back and forth), they are ready to do extensive reading. So many people are quick to dismiss this method but this what was largely done by the BEST AGE OF LATIN (15th-18th centuries) we've had since Augustan Roman times. These guys were fluent in Latin and this is how they learned it. The problem with the reading method (which is how I've largely been learning Latin) is that there such a massive gap between the artificial Latin we get from textbooks and graded readers and the real thing, which is why we all struggle reading something basic like Caesar even if we have a few thousand words under our belt. Whereas with doing the above method, you (depending on the teacher) are dealing with real Latin from an important book from Day 1 and understanding the vocabulary and usage in its native context placed there by a native speaker. There's really no need to experiment with "the latest research" when we have centuries of a tried and proven method that produced the best generations of Latinists since Roman times for literally hundreds of years.

  • @kabacheouiza3566
    @kabacheouiza3566 Місяць тому

    nope!

  • @Sara-nd8oj
    @Sara-nd8oj Місяць тому

    this was so good! im trying to get ahead with my latin studies and simple stories like these help me alot! gratias tibi ago :DD

  • @kabacheouiza3566
    @kabacheouiza3566 Місяць тому

    latina pura res

  • @kabacheouiza3566
    @kabacheouiza3566 Місяць тому

    the good thing in orberg's is his natural method .. easy by repeating no vulgar language

  • @kabacheouiza3566
    @kabacheouiza3566 Місяць тому

    it is not worship .. it's love

  • @MDE123
    @MDE123 Місяць тому

    ALI's website is still not clear on the points you make here.

  • @johngilberthorpe2001
    @johngilberthorpe2001 Місяць тому

    Thank you for this excellent resource. Your series of videos on Pro Caelio is very helpful. UK A level students are studying extracts from this speech just now and I would highly recommend it to them.

  • @Teeachee
    @Teeachee Місяць тому

    Please for the love of God go outside.

  • @kabacheouiza3566
    @kabacheouiza3566 Місяць тому

    terrible .. non callidus .. es

  • @kabacheouiza3566
    @kabacheouiza3566 Місяць тому

    Quid Est? quid Dicissss?

  • @kabacheouiza3566
    @kabacheouiza3566 Місяць тому

    festina Werunt

  • @kabacheouiza3566
    @kabacheouiza3566 Місяць тому

    to read the latina lingua .. you should have some italian or sardinian basis .. to study cambridge's you should know stress shift , intonation away from england .. and forget the germanization norman vulgarisation

  • @MauroSilva-Krug
    @MauroSilva-Krug Місяць тому

    My advice is this: if one is so critical that one cannot see the benefits of a particular teaching method, one should offer something in return to replace what is already in place. And it better be far superior to the highly criticized method. Just as one watches the video, one is under the impression that Ms. Hurt is driven by a desire to disregard Ørberg's method at any cost!

  • @CrowneofBeautyFromAshes
    @CrowneofBeautyFromAshes 2 місяці тому

    OMG 🤗

  • @Skweenison
    @Skweenison 2 місяці тому

    I’ll put in my two cents here. First of all, Dowling method is ridiculous, I don’t think anyone who is brand new at Latin should even consider that method. Masochistic return learners, maybe. I think Wheelock’s is still a great place to start. Do Wheelock’s through Perfect tense (Chapter 10ish?), then switch to LLPSI. You should be able to get through a few chapters of LLPSI and it will feel good, validating the work you’ve put in through Wheelock’s method. You’ll also already be familiar with basic paradigms, and likely able to acquire new vocab much quicker. When LLPSI starts introducing Passive voice, start referencing the chapters of Wheelock’s that cover that specific grammar concept. Problem here is that the Exercitationes and Sententiae Antiquae will be full of strange vocabulary and other grammar rules you might have missed, making the Wheelock’s exercises more and more dissimilar to what you’re learning in LLPSI. At this point the Strange Bedfellows starts to get complicated. Perhaps instead of using one to compliment the other, you just use them on their own for their own value, kind of like a domestic partnership? 😂 thanks for the video!

  • @mesni4281
    @mesni4281 2 місяці тому

    Top

  • @mesni4281
    @mesni4281 2 місяці тому

    Это топ

  • @MDE123
    @MDE123 2 місяці тому

    Use both. Neither provides enough text for acquisition. As of Oct. 2024 you can get 1 year online access to the CLC for $15 US on Cambridge Elevate learning platform.

  • @astreamaiden
    @astreamaiden 2 місяці тому

    KFC est tibi pullus? 😮

  • @Arnaere
    @Arnaere 2 місяці тому

    Mirin that poster on the door. (take a break from Reddit though)

  • @aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve
    @aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve 2 місяці тому

    1. There are modern spoken languages of similar complexity to Latin grammar, Lithuanian being one of them. 2. Most people fail to learn Lithuanian because they approach it like French, and they are not motivated. This is the equivalent of LLPSI. 3. Yes, most conversation is the simple SVO structure without great complexity. However, the vocabulary is often different from that used in textbooks. Its like your textbook is Caesar based and your first authentic text is Cicero. Only the answer may not be in the dictionary, even the unabridged Lithuanian-Lithuanian one. 4. The more technical the writing, i.e., the more the topic is of a technical nature, the more complex the grammar. And at this point, even Lithuanians can no longer explain to you what is going on; they may not even understand the sentences when asked to explain them. They understand them intuitively, and everyone may have a different opinion, even though the sentence is written correctly and is extremely precise. The absolutely only way you are going to understand those sentences is if you can analyse every element and determine what is dependent on what. And no, I am not talking about the level of philosophy; I am talking about the archaeological article level. If you have a sentence under 10 words, it probably won't be that hard. But the longer the sentence, often the more complex the grammar. If you cannot analyse sentences, you will struggle with technical Lithuanian. 5. Should you spend 5 years learning grammar? No. 1 year? No. 1 month? Perhaps. I would prefer one hour. Why? Because grammar in both Latin and Lithuanian is very easy to grasp and those grammar courses teach grammar in the wrong order. Ablative absolute is a formula: 'x having been y-ed' or 'after x was y-ed'. Why is that harder than the past tense? If you read any real Latin text, you will encounter it on the first page, yet all grammars teach it near the end, perhaps in Chapter 70 of 75 chapters. This is insane. And this is one reason there is such culture shock moving from your 'grammar years' to intermediate Latin. I did not learn with LLPSI, but it appears to follow the same distorted grammar progression, which is a huge disservice to students. Grammar is easy and you better understand it before you step into the real stuff.

    • @aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve
      @aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve 2 місяці тому

      Is grammar and vocabulary the same as in English? No. To do a proper translation, you are going to need to modify both. A teaching programme that emphasises English-equivalent grammar is a disservice as it means you will not express yourself correctly and it is precisely where the grammars diverge that you need the analytical skills the most when reading an authentic text. As stated, the actual colloquial language does not use much complex grammar because few are Cyreno de Bergerac, which is why I said when reading. Most students do not have an opportunity to converse with Caesar and need to make do with reading his reports from the front, like everyone else.

    • @aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve
      @aSnailCyclopsNamedSteve 2 місяці тому

      When I am speaking of asking for help with a sentence, I am talking about asking lawyers, doctors, and scientists, not supermarket cashiers. And it is part of my job to find the grammar mistakes made by native speaker PhDs and suggest their correction, which means I have to explain the mistake precisely. More often, I have to explain why their grammar does not work in English and I have to change the structure in the translation. At the end of the day, you are on your own, even in a modern spoken language. So, you better get the grammar down very well from the start.

  • @jasonbaker2370
    @jasonbaker2370 2 місяці тому

    So happy for you! I miss your videos but now I know why you’re so busy 😊