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In some locations it's very helpful, including in the mountains here in New Zealand. Keeps us warmer on cold nights and keeps the raindrops out. 😅

Yes it was. In fact, it was just used this last winter on several trips with the coldest being right around 0 Fahrenheit and getting about 3-4” of snowfall. Tent performed fine and ventilated well. I wouldn’t be concerned using it for the occasional winter trip. I would opt for a 4 season tent with heavier snow load (especially if it’s a wet snow), and if you are experiencing any significant winds.

Glad it was helpful!

Yes, I've noticed that too. I have the MSR Hubba and its awesome. No leaks, no complaints.

Agreed, although the Nemo Dagger is a good tent, I've been using the MSR Hubba Hubba for over 2 years. It's been extremely solid in some pretty harsh conditions. As for the poles. I'm extremely satisfied. No splintering at all, very lightweight & great high wind performance. Overall I'm very pleased with the tent.

Because it's an overpriced ancient design that hasn't had any notable updates in 20 years

@@johnnyolson258 But they work just fine? My elixirs and hubbas have never leaked a single drop.

They replace any poles that give splinters. It's only some batches, not all.

You are so right about the changes in tents over the last 50 years! I grew up with canvas tents, then went backpacking in the mid to late 1970s with the original pup tents!

Increased ventilation!

I haven’t had any issues with it in my experiences.

Some of those reviews are probably of the older model that had issues with some leaks

This is my question too, nemo rain cover looks shorter.

Those other tents will suffer in heavy rain/wind. The Nemo dagger will handle 50 mph winds with ease.

@@SneakyCaleb The NEMO is constructed like the MSR and my solo lunar single wall can take high winds, snow, etc it has a 40D floor and 20 D sides, even hell storms are held at bay. The NEMO is a great tent, but way too heavy. Now if I owned one would I replace it? Yes, it weights more than twice the weight of my other tents. Now if I was 20 years old would I replace it....NO, its a nice tent, Im 20 an extra 1 pound, 1.5 pounds is nothing for that 20 year old. Owe I dont like the door design of my MSR in rain but then again at 2 pounds....double wall, who cares. Weight is everything, and if you feel its not, maybe you're not walking enough ....right? Do 15 miles in a day, 20 and that pack will get heavy as hell.

@@Baasicstuff you can make up for it by lowering the weight of other gear. The free standing design and pole structure is stronger on the dagger than those other tents

@@SneakyCaleb I deal in ounces, their are 32 onces in 2 pounds. Thats equal to 20 pocket knives, 1 back packing chair/book, 1 Days Full load out of food, Sleeping bag/Pad, Days water 30oz, Hatchet/survival knife. If one is going to spend $400 on a tent for back packing, weight is your number one consideration, the new standard is 2 pounds, not 4 pounds. In the 4 pound range currently you can find plenty of solid wall tents very well under $200, why? Cause 4 pounds is no longer the standard. Its not that the NEMO or take for instance the Hubahuba are bad tents and they may be a good option where I was camping in snow, where I would be leaving somethings home and a heavier tent would be useful. My pack fully loaded for 2 nights is 20-27 lbs with water/food also

They're all lighter because the material is thinner and will tear faster

No only one. I own a dagger osmo

You can put the landing zone on either side of the tent but it only comes with one!

I got the Dagger OSMO 3P and it also comes with only 1 landing zone but you can attach it either sides.

⁠@@samael5782im about to buy a 3p what is your experience? Is the rain over on nemo shorter cause leaking water inside or get to much wind inside tent?

I believe you can order from REI and get it imported, although I'd be really careful with that as you might get slapped with extortionate import charges.

I bought the Nemo in the Netherlands. That's Europe!

I’m glad this helped!

Which one did you get? I recently bought the 2019 Hubba Hubba thinking of returning it and getting the 2022 Hubba Hubba but Nemo looks promising

@@Kenkichi24 I got the nemo dagger osmo. Don’t regret it one bit. It’s an excellent tent!

Thank you! I faced the same dilemma. Personally, after handling the two and seeing the Dagger in action I am glad I made that choice. The additional guy lines provide extra rigidity in heavy winds - an essential being out of the tree-line. However, cost and availability of the tents may prove to be deciding factors in your decision. Keep in mind materials too, you may like the new proprietary blend NEMO produced bringing the best of both worlds that nylon and polyester can provide maintaining less stretch and great waterproofing! Hope this helps. You really can’t make a wrong choice between these two though!

I've used the hubba hubba for the past couple of years camping in Montana, its held up great

@@forestroamer8018 Could you answer a couple of questions if you don't mind please. Is it just me, or is the overall height of the bathtub floor on the Dagger Osmo a lot lower than on the previous Dagger 2p? That could be a deal breaker in terms of rain splashback and drafts. And secondly, is there a significant price differential between the Osmo and the equivalent older model? Any info would be appreciated, thanks.

@@martinkingston1498 the bathtub is, if anything, higher on the Osmo. Not to mention the fly has such good coverage you'd have no problem with splashback. Also, having additional stake out points on top of the guy out points AND thicker fabric, I'd say it'd fair better above treeline.

The Nemo has more guy outs on the tent, but I do not see anymore coverage with the rain fly over the bathtub floor than the Hubba Hubba. Both tents probably will get some splashback in torrential downpours, but there may be more protection from splashback getting in through the mesh on the doors with the Hubba Hubba, since the fabric on the MSR goes higher than the Nemo on the doors of the inner tent. The MSR has a lower profile than the Nemo making it not catch the wind as much. The Easton poles on the MSR are very flexible in strong wind won't break or bend like aluminum.

Thank you!