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"romanticizing is thinking something is better than it actually is". Well, its very subjective.

It’s not the art community’s fault you feel inferior, It’s yours

Thank you for that topic! We love an educated queen! And thank you for bringing biases into the mix, because I feel like not enough people even know what it is, while biases pretty much define our whole perception of life

No it should be encouraged. Stop trying to control people feelings and thought when it comes to things that can make there life much better. Even if they fail it’s about the journey. And why should you care at all. There not taking money out of your own pocket. You mindset is very toxic.

Thank you, this actually made me reconsider how I want to approach sharing my art online. It's one thing to know you're not seeing the whole picture, but it's another to hear what the rest of the picture can look like. I like to think about how the content itself is just as much art as the painting you see in the video. I know that a wolf and fawn would not have a cute mystical moment irl, but I can appreciate the narrative, symbolism, and style of your painting without using it as a reference for real life. In the same way, people edit their videos to create a story that is just as stylized and mythical as a painting.

This was such an excellent review of the situation. I like your approach to content creator vs artist, because I do see the difference. Neither is better than the other, but they are different focuses and by being transparent about the primary income source, I feel like a lot of people will be less disappointed. A lot of UA-cam "artists" identify themselves as content creators first, when talking about why they focus on entertainment based videos rather than art videos, but they still don't make that clear in how they present themselves at times. Or perhaps, we don't acknowledge the difference as we should. Overall, a great discussion and I really appreciate your take-away from the situation.

Thank you!

Aight, I listened to the whole video, and I agree with most of the ideas as presented. 2/3 of my work is deffo not doing art. I would also like to add to the warning about paperwork and taxes: If you live in the USA, in most places you will be taxed at a higher rate under self-employment than working a normal job. Be ready. The only point of contention I have with this video at all is that it's named fairly generically as "STOP Romanticizing Art Business", when really I feel it should be titled more UA-cam-specific, because that is the focus. I'm not saying other art business should be romanticized, what I'm saying is that artists do need to look outside these platforms to find work, sometimes. Having a big UA-cam or Tiktok channel isn't the only way to survive. I make my living by vending at conventions, and while it is beyond stressful, horribly unstable, and will probably kill me one day, I'd die way quicker by trying to be the next big UA-camr or TikTok flavor of the day. It's like asking a saltwater fish to swim in a lake- I ain't no salmon, I can't do both. Even without doing conventions, you'll be flabbergasted by local art scenes if you look. There's a lot more ways to be indie, and not all of them involve hiding behind a handle online. Touch some grass and make some friends. That's how you actually find your way in the art community, regardless of if you're selling or not.

I think the current problem is not romanticizing, but idealizing. R. something is accepting this something with flaws, accepting its downs and ups, I. is ignoring it.

if filming your art-making gives you the visuals to create content or videos (even if the art isn't the main focus), wouldn't your art, in essence, be providing you with the income? If artists want to showcase their art-making in content creation, they'd have to schedule in art making. Great video btw.

See, when I said years ago, that not everyone is meant to be working as an artist, I was called mean. Im right though, being freelance artist is great (FOR ME) but it is not at all easy and most of it is mentally wracking and I have had to make many sacrifices. I refuse to make videos or posts giving tips to younger artists on being a working artist, and accidentally lying to them about this.

Great video; even if the left/right brain thing made me grind my teeth. Followed.

This is such a good video! Romanticizing can go both ways! I plan/hope to eventually be some form of full time artist I’m even going to school for it but it is not for everyone this idea of a cozy relaxing, all fun, art no work life social media shows is just not the truth! I’ve met so many incredibly talented artists who could probably make more than a living off their art, but they are just not cut out for how time consuming and mentally draining it can be - it may look fun but work is work and if your not willing to “give up” your hobby for it? its maybe not for you…

what do you want to say in this video we cant get it

It's gonna sound harsh, but honestly... aesthetic and coziness come at a cost. These types of creators have absolutely no idea how privileged and supported they are (or maybe they do, idk). Those desks, lights, setup and art stuff cost a ton of money. Also, by being so young, it's very easy to idealize your life, since there's not a lot of life experience there yet. Is this comment patronizing? Yeah, but I don't care. Being an artist has always been a thing for wealthy people. We should acknowledge that. To me it ain't more different than being a travel influencer. There's a ton of work required to make it, but you are starting from a place of privilege. There are very rare cases of people who aren't starting from there, but they do different type of content anyway. That being said, thanks for the video. And the painting turned out lovely.

Very few of us artist ir not wont be able to afford a house till mid 50s if ever. The entire generation is just sad, just millennials trying to hustle and make it when everyone is suffering in this terrible capitalist society

Wow / you want to work for yourself with no business training or experience

This is so true

I get sad watching art videos from big UA-camrs. They have so many supplies it’s hard not to get envious or jealous. They have so many supplies and constantly get sent more I know it’s bitter of me to feel that way. I should be happy with the supplies I do have.

I honestly think that people need to fully do research themselves instead of seeing a video or two and using that as inspiration. The issue for me isn’t the artists but people that are influenced lacking proper research skills. It’s not smart to jump into anything without a full idea of all the work that goes into to it. This goes for anything, not just this specific topic. And I’m saying this as someone who has struggled with this myself.

I can not express how important it is to understand for the new artists specially those who start out using any creative practice as a creative outlet. I did just that and I loved how you expressed it as an outside-in approach. But as I tried to make the business side work, I struggled with all things business. It was the extra stuff- the calls, generating leads etc. that would feel tiring. Only after getting a corporate job did I understand that it was business, sales, and marketing and my creative joyful work was just a service. I wish somebody realizes this very early on to save their time and not be disappointed.

I love the painting

Please don't "Shut your yuppers" 😅 I love seeing this honest video. Let's create a community of realistic artists lives 🙋🏽

I dream of being as organized of a creator as you are one day. Creator goals.

lowkey, artists can just be huge babies about everything regarding art, and acting as if people are “scamming” them just because the fantasy they have in their head about what its like to be your own boss doesn’t align with what is said in those videos is ridiculous. artists do this with everything. careers, art school, skill building, community, etc. like its not kelsey on youtube’s problem that you didn’t realize selling your art would be hard and require business knowledge. i watched kelsey’s videos and said “hm, this isnt for me, i do not want to run a business” and looked for other alternatives to make money. like omg

Also, normalize making art, just because you like to. It's extremely difficult selling enough art to make a living. Even if you are incredibly talented. You don't have to make money of your art. It's valid to just have fun making it.

I love your editing style!!!

no yea because i once overthink the production side of just the content for the business that i ended up not having time to actually do the critical work and get to enjoy what i do: the art itself, the marketing or self-marketing/content marketing is tough and shouldnt be understated, unless you’re well verse and had experience, going in blind and risk burning out from trying to wear 3-5-10 hats at a time is not for every aspiring artists that wish to be their own business owner 😢 if you wish to do both the content and the art, you have to come to terms with the things that makes a content creator a job, it is a job, a performance art of a sort, it’s brutal and its not as pretty as people make it seem i’m so glad this video found me bc ive been thinking the same thing (im not even there yet in terms of producing studio vlogs, mine is a big mess.. like most artists, and filming + editing takes up so much) focusing on the artworks itself it is, for now, cant wait to finish the video (im so invigorated on the topic i have to leave a comment 1st lol)

I am absolutely not an artist and not even interested in becoming one. However, I loved the video, since it brought attention to the tendency to idealize any one profession or trade. I'm a psychologist, and I often hear how nice it must be to get paid for just listening to people. I loved how you raised the topic of the whole business side, dealing with planning, taxes, rent, expenses and everything else that comes with having a small business like a private practice or an art studio. It involves a whole lot of cleaning, tidying, writing invoices, paying bills, and the constant stress about the seasonality or instability of income.

Overconsumption is definitely a big problem with these types of videos. Don't get me started with haul videos for more and more of art supplies with full of "wish i had that much money" type of comments on them when uploader already has so much stuff already.

I really enjoyed you opinion video on this art business topic. It's really discouraging the art world has become in the 21st century. One of the issues is just consumerism and capitalism imo. So many people want that instint gratification and imo pushes those who want to focus on their art to being this advertisers and it's sad. It makes it overall just stressful and sad.

What I learned along the way was this. I never wanted to be like anyone else. I just enjoy creating, and doing things. I don't have any set goals at all.

GREAT video!

The most formulatic thing happening between the two people you're talking about. It happens all over social media where person A makes videos, person B has a problem and makes a video complaining about person A. Then complains about how this complaint video is more popular than any of their other videos. Both person A & B gets a boost in video traffic. Its interesting how it just feeds into the cycle that happens in every niche group on social media. There's a weird fascination with policing who is a "real artist". Correct me if I'm wrong but I think your video was a very nice, professional way of saying "why the hell do yall care so much, if it doesnt resonate with you move on" 😂

When I share stories about customer scams and real BTS life of being a smallbusiness owner, I’m afraid that people never watch 😢

This is a fantastic video and I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts and perspective ❤

What makes this video so great is that you actively teach throughout the video. I watched until the end. I work as an art advisor and I’m currently disillusioned by the idea that I can work as an advisor without supplementing my income by serving alcohol during football games. I need to stop romanticizing the art world. I live in Houston Texas and am not an artist per se. Thank you for your critical vigilance.❤

Am I insane or is this like, the ONLY video that talks about this problem? Cause it is a problem that the incentives as they currently exist cause artists to mostly see each other and not the people who can support them. This isn't merely annoying; it is, I speculate, completely re-organizing the social dynamics of artists between themselves and between their buyers. Now the incentive is almost entirely to sell to other artists. And you see the outcome of this in just how much marketing artists see to becoming coaches or consultants for other creatives. Can't make it in the industry due mainly to structural factors? That's okay, here's how to convince others that they CAN make it in the industry. Everything about our contemporary social media just incentivizes grifting and skimming off the surface of a community that is already in a rough place.

Love this video! Thanks friend!

I think the rise of art business is due to the mass layoffs happening worldwide, including in my country. People who've been doing art as a hobby or side hustle are getting laid off, and then began trying to pursue art full-time, bcs it was a now-or-never moment, and all the artist vlogs/content makes it seem like it wouldn't be too hard to do. The problem is, the art business/market has become over-saturated. It's hard to stand out, especially for newer artists. Both vending online and offline have their own downside, and it'll take a while (like a year, or maybe 2) to profit from your art. I once aspired to be one, but then I realized how hard it is to start an art business in a very short timeline. And having said that, I learned some useful stuff during the 8 months of my "trials", and now I can do art more mindfully on the side while getting back to work as a graphic designer. In conclusion, if it's the art business you're after, keep doing it on the side, and once you finally reach the point of not needing to depend on your main job, you can fully invest yourself in it.

I love how you don't use background music!

1:29 artist in my early 20s: Struggling with depression, eats twice a day (cause time isn't a concept when you have ADHD), art station is a mess, has *GASP* work to do outside of art! two furbabies to care for and a house to keep clean. my day is not relaxing and usually I art around 4pm to 8pm

Day in the life is all well and good but as someone who's disabled and home educating a young child, it's just not an accessible format for everyone. Like, what, am I gonna record my kid and put her online without her consent? Am I gonna whip my phone out when I'm having a crash with my disability and literally just laid there trying to hurt less? A lot of artists don't actually lead beautiful, aesthetic lifestyles and if anything when people try to pretend they are by setting everything up perfectly for a day, this feels more scammy to me than people who are up front about how hard it is to be an artist.

morgan comes across as a big jealous bully

Idk if anybody else feels like this but i feel like the romanticizing of jobs is pushing people to pick non-essential career paths and makes people not want to do the more important jobs. Any job could be enjoyable even if its not as aesthetic as a small business

This video is highly appreciated <3 Btw in regards to no clickbait -I think people demand it without understanding that it's in use NOT because people want to scam you, but because it is so difficult to get successful with the algorithm without it. It's not a creator's fault that basically everyone has to be doing this now. Sure, it's not cool to be showered with marketing-oriented thumbnails all the time, but it would be more useful to boycott UA-cam or the internet as a whole rather than focusing our anger on a few scapegoats who are nice enough to not shut that discussion down as soon as it appears. Good luck!

Finally, someone peeled back the cozy blanket of studio vlogs to show the chaos underneath! 👀 It’s so refreshing to hear, I closed my small business a few months ago, because I was constantly under pressure to earn enough to just pay for all the monthly expenses. And just keeping a spread sheet of all of that is A LOT. Let alone all of the other stuff, I have a film background so I thought I'd enjoy the video aspects, but I just felt so overwhelmed with everything that it wasn't fun and ultimately I wasn't happy with the end product. The part of your video where you said this is the boring part was so smart and informative (even tho I have been doing it for years) that as soon as I'm done typing this, I'll go and rewatch it. Thanks for keeping it honest while still encouraging creativity

this was spot on! I am constantly tell people to keep their day job 😅 My videos feature only me in the studio, but I’m only there 25% of my work day. Good filmmaking is telling a good story, with beautiful visuals, and making it all look effortless. I think we cant help but romanticize. I do it too even though I have seen behind the looking glass!

I’m a professional illustrator working from home. I can say my main income comes from client work, even I call myself “content creator” because I also enjoy creating content on youtube and social media. And I try to avoid like hell every single video telling you how “they” made XXX as an artist.. or content creator. It’s interesting that none of them made this kind of video when they made 500$ or less. I followed Kelsey when she started, also Ali Abdal, whe he was still stuying at college doing the grad, but at some point they started shifting to this model that didn’t align with me. I prefer to see an artist doing their crafts: printing their artworks, prints, creating badges, drawing their products…. even they are talking me and redirecting me to their shops, rather than buying stuff from people that is selling smoke. In my opinion.