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Tanabe explains what he means in the next sentence "That means that if we aren’t using Mario characters for bosses, we need to create original characters with designs that don’t involve the Mario universe at all, like we’ve done with Olly and the stationery bosses." That means the only original characters allowed in Paper Mario during that period were physical real world objects like stickers (Kersti) or origami (Olivia) or stationary (Tape).

I knew of that second part of the quote I just wasnt entirely sure what he meant by part of thr mario universe or not as the vullementals have lore/background stuff and are clearly part of the world of origami king having temples built for them and were once flat creatures like the mario characters were not stuff from another world like the legion of stationaty,the stuff scissors made or olly/olivia themselves. It seems they cant made flat 2d paper characters drawn in the mario style or new character and/or subspecies based on mario ones or modify base designs of a mario species.

Hopefully by the next game they can make new mario style stuff thats a totally new species again as everything else never lost the ability to do that though I dont see them ever being able to make stuff based on nintendo made mario species again as even m&l cant do that anymore it seems as dream team didnt have any.

@@jzb4312 Dream Team did have Kylie Koopa so that modification seems to still be allowed!

Mandates in Paper Mario are factual however. Tanabe stated "all character designs have to pass a check by our IP team, which is pretty strict." and "From the production of Paper Mario: Sticker Star onwards, we were no longer able to graphically represent individual characteristics, such as age, gender etc., in the Toad NPCs". Having to pass a check by a strict team is objectively a restriction.

@@RARANMA I know, I was thinking about Paper Mario when I was writing the comment. I meant that the other restrictions probably didn't exist.

@@xabi7772 Fair enough

You know what? I agree with the first time in my life Just don't diss Goerge Washingtoad

I don't think they went overboard, but when looking at the first Mario Party game, those Toads have aged like milk. They are ugly. The Toads in Advance are cool, but the ones in the first game aren't. I do get it is the first game in the series, and it was Hudson Soft's first foray into creating the series, but the Toads just have unappealing designs. And it's a game that really shows its age, not just in terms of the character models either.

@@ranpan6082 I don't think it's the designs themselves, just the fact that they're N64 models & we've never seen how they'd look in promo art, unlike the Advance Toads.

@@fawfulthegreat64 Was there no promo art of them in the instruction manual?

Yeah, there was an odd trend for a while where Mario’s cast of friends continuously shrank (the removal of Toadsworth, the downplaying of Yoshi, the absence of the friendly NPCs from previous entries), while Bowser’s cast kept growing (the return of Kamek, the Koopalings, Boom Boom (with the new addition of Pom Pom, and even the Reznors for a bit). It’s weird that they kept pursuing this vision of Mario’s world where it’s only a paltry few against Bowser’s endless army instead of allies and enemies being split evenly.

Peach kisses Mario tho

I imagine certain series will function differently due to different fundamentals. For example, there would likely be no mandate on romances in series like Fire Emblem or Xenoblade, because it’s more of a fundamental. I imagine mandates only affect certain Nintendo series, like Mario and Zelda.

@@britishguy54dx I do think the rules are different for games like fire emblem because the romances in those games are player driven. And player driven romances scratch a very different itch then romances that you passively experience. Either way, I do kind of wish Nintendo would be more willing to lean into these implied romances like Mario x peach more. I think they are very wholesome and on brand with the franchise.

@@BulbminFan that would be because it's a sign of gratitude, or friendship. One example of hinted romance.

He talks with a Dutch accent. I would know since I'm also from the Netherlands.

Something I did not touch on is indeed that games nowadays take far longer to make and are also more expensive to make. Entire Nintendo series disappeared due to this trend for a while as there were no studios to make those series (Donkey Kong Country comes to mind with Retro being busy with Metroid Prime the last 5 years), so there are also just fewer Mario games coming out than in the 2000s, which in turn also gives less opportunities for certain characters to appear.

Hi hello @DaNintendude again fellow lurker, lol. Anyways I agree. I'm surprised people thought they would scrap Toadsworth, but that's the discourse. While I was happy to see the remake of PMTTYD, I wasn't surprised by like others were that it was rereleased and I was surprised by their surprise. But then I would see people repeat that tired old myth that Miyamoto hates story, and all those quote mines going around again. In addition to mentions of the alleged mandates. But back on topic... Yeah it makes sense he doesn't always fit a role or even just isn't needed., and I've even seem some hypotheses that he's in the BeanBean Kingdom with Lady Lima. I also don't get this view that if a character doesn't show up in games,(specifically the 2D and 3D platformers) that they are somehow forgotten, hated, or forbidden. People pointed to the movie but then forget, Toadsworth was considered for the movie. He was in the concept art. I think myself think him not showing up in the movie could further show the difference between the continuities but that's neither here nor there. Continuing on to me it's like, characters don't always have to show up. Scary thought for people but it's like, the characters can just be off doing their own thing. People are always like Nintendo hates Waluigi, he should have his own game, etc. etc. People create excuses saying oh Nintendo doesn't have him in main games because they don't like characters who they didn't create.(They used Daisy in this arguement and it was changed because Run and Wonder.) Other says they don't own Waluigi and they don't wanna pay to use him that's why he's not in "main games." Meanwhile they use him in kart and sports games. When if you think about it narratively, Waluigi doesn't have a reason to show up. It's established he only intends to best people like Luigi in sports, party, and karting events. A fact reestablished in games like SuperStar Baseball. He hasn't really shown a care to adventuring or hero work. He's not Wario's brother or even friend, and they are just sports partners. So for all intents in purposes Waluigi doesn't have a reason to show up in 2D platformers. Then you think about other characters like Daisy, she's the ruler of Sarassaland and while she does partake in sports and karting events she doesn't really go on adventures. So it doesn't make sense for her to cross that ocean just to show up in a random say Mario and Luigi game or for 2D Platformer. It is also why it makes sense for her to show up in Wonder because if Peach was invited by Prince Florian it can only be assumed Daisy was also invited thus giving her a reason to show up. You also have the SML enemies which people forget are the citizens of Sarassaland brainwashed, and it doesn't make sense for them to show up as future bad guys. I even remember seeing a video where someone claimed Dorrie was replaced by Plessie and they mentioned Dorrie showing up in future games. Then they were like, _"but will Plessie replace Dorrie only time will tell."_ And it's like.... it's not a one or the other thing Dorrie and Plessie don't have to show up in every game. On your last thing about characters coming back, fr though. Or at least they are acknowledged. SuperStar Basebal did acknowledge King Wart's existence. Stanley's Greenhouse shows up in Tropical Freeze. Then you have the Koopalings, people thought they had been replaced by Bowser Junior somehow but then they forget that Iggy cameoed in SMS.

This! I remember before the remake of Thousand-Year Door was unveiled and there were rampant rumors about it being remaster, and people were on Twitter saying if it happens, Nintendo will sterilize the game to oblivion. Someone was posting a tweet that showed the partners being replaced with plain generic Mario enemies, and people actually believed it would happen. The Paper Mario community had this delusional belief that Nintendo absolutely despised classic Paper Mario and hated ever creating it in the first place. I saw when Battle League had Shy Guy do a Paper Mario reference, people were saying that Nintendo was going to remove it. You are right in saying that people think every little thing they don't like stems from mandates. I remember people saying the remake of Mario vs. Donkey Kong was soulless because it was missing some voice clips and animations present in the original game. I agree with how much longer game development has become. Back in the Nintendo 64 and GameCube era, we got Mario Party games every year, all of them vastly different from one another. Now? It's a three year wait in between new entries. And when it comes to the more bland Mario games in the Switch era, like the Mario Sports games, these games are likely bland because these games are made on a tight budget. And that's probably why they also lack in content and rely so heavily on free updates. A game like Super Mario Party with its bland and small boards seems less to be because of mandates and more so the fact NDCube was working on multiple Mario Party games at once. Mario Party 10 in 2015, Star Rush in 2016, and The Top 100 in 2017, which reuses assets from Star Rush. All of that going on while they're working on Super. We can see they're still passionate about the series given how fun and creative Jamboree is shaping up to be.

@@Eris1987 Miyamoto does not like story in Mario when Galaxy 2 was made. He stated "I'd like to go with as little story as possible, I've always felt that the Mario games themselves aren't particularly suited to having a very heavy story". He even put a stop to Koizumi adding more story and said "Well, I put a stop to that at the beginning, this time" You can call it quote mines but that doesn't change that these facts are facts.

@@RARANMA Meanwhile he never said he disliked story and he claimed he didn't think Mario games needed story while Zelda games do. By extension he never said Mario games couldn't have story. He also didn't stop Koizumi from doing anything, in addition Koizumi agreed with Miyamoto on Galaxy 2 not needing a story like Galaxy 1. Note, I hope people can stop the Galaxy 2 hate already. We can't forget Koizumi in his owns words has stated he presented the Rosalina's storybook to Miyamoto, which Miyamoto saw and read. And of course due to it's existence in SMG, approved of it Miyamoto has also changed his view on the story thing for awhile now and found what he wants to basically resonance in games. Also since I don't feel like coming back here a million times to respond to any future comments. If you want an more in depth look into what it is I'm talking about I recommend you look up a video titled No Miyamoto DOESN'T Dislike/hate(I don't remember) story. Frankly if I would rather waste my time with the actual lore of Mario rather than dealing with people thinking Miyamoto hates story and ruined Galaxy 2.

Same here, seeing everything in context I think it's all down to choice.

It's not mandates, It's sanitization.

When developers have openly talked about it like the paper Mario team then yh it exists.

@@donaldthescotishtwin I've seen those before, they are often vague and nothing I recall saying "mandates." There is also the remarks by the new Intelligent Systems Team saying they had full creative freedom when making games.

​​@@Eris1987Well you clearly didn't read through that whole interview, Tanabe did said the Paper Mario team now has full control over the development in one of those Origami King interviews, except the latter half of that sentence also straight up stating that all the character designs they made has to go through the IP team from Nintendo first and the guidelines they follow apparently are quite strict

Tanabe stating "all character designs have to pass a check by our IP team, which is pretty strict." and "From the production of Paper Mario: Sticker Star onwards, we were no longer able to graphically represent individual characteristics, such as age, gender etc., in the Toad NPCs" are pretty specific facts. A team restricting Paper Mario is the opposite of choice in creative freedom.

Yeah, Robo-mario is briefly discussed starting at 22:10. There is not much to him, so his section in the video is pretty brief.

@@JacobNintendoNerd99 of course !!!