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Salt Lake Piano Service Company
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Plain and simple: there are way too many pianos out there for me to service by myself! I come to the simple conclusion that the best way for me to contribute is to share ALL the knowledge I have on a world-wide platform. I also hope to learn new things that I haven't ever encountered or considered. This will happen only as you share your insights, questions and piano problems with me through this channel.
I help two main groups of people: Piano Owners and Piano Technicians. My aim is to provide you with top-quality, free educational content that will bless your music-making lives! Continually sharing ideas leads to better ideas. Healthy competition in the industry leads to higher industry standards. I want to provide piano owners with knowledge to make good decisions that facilitate their art. I want to provide piano technicians and tuners with the knowledge, tools, and skills to do a better job. Can you support me in my cause? Let's do this!
I help two main groups of people: Piano Owners and Piano Technicians. My aim is to provide you with top-quality, free educational content that will bless your music-making lives! Continually sharing ideas leads to better ideas. Healthy competition in the industry leads to higher industry standards. I want to provide piano owners with knowledge to make good decisions that facilitate their art. I want to provide piano technicians and tuners with the knowledge, tools, and skills to do a better job. Can you support me in my cause? Let's do this!
The Quality of Our Work...Amazing Rebuild on a 1930 Steinway D
See one of our latest examples of the kind of work that comes out of the Salt Lake Piano Service rebuilding shop. We rebuild Steinways to not only look good but to perform! Watch as Josh Wright tests out this Steinway Model D from 1930.
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Thank you, Hyrum. This is truly great and very helpful.
I can’t believe he isn’t famous or that this only has 5.5 thousand views after 2 years. He taught me more than everything else I found online.
I need a Tech like this one , we only have Tuners Not Technicians 😢
piano string broken and needs to be fixed. Isi which end can you precogmmmm
That is a magnificent sounding model D. Tonally well balanced with power in the bass that impresses but isn't overbearing to drown out other registers. The treble sings and sustains beautifully, added with a lush and resonant midrange. Kudos to Hyrum and his team for a beautifully done rebuilding job on this wonderful instrument. If I ever need rebuilding work on my Steinway, I'd have no qualms entrusting my piano to them. Well done.
Super!
Sounds magnificent! What a treat to hear, and probably even more to play! Love Josh Wright, too. Pianos at the Bachauer sounded fantastic.
The soft pedal point is so true for most pianos i usually avoid using una corda altogether, also because the shifting a whole keyboard sideways is really weird and startling 😅!!! Always wished for more subtle, still-noticeable-on-newer-hammers una corda voicing
There was a LOT of skilled work to get that kind of tone. well done. Josh Wright, the player, is so generous with his online pedagogy. Good dude!
Whoever owns that piano owns a jewel. The sound is brilliant but not harsh. The bell-like tone is unique but not strange. It carries melody like a voice. I cannot say enough praise for the skill and artistry of those who crafted the way it now sounds.
The piano sounds stunning, I’d love to try it out!
Sound👍👍
I'm coming back to these videos as I'm working on fine tuning my regulation. You went over setting up the back checks in a quick way with a 5 deg angle. I'm trying to repeat this, though not on brand new parts, and am having a hard time getting keys to check at softer key presses. Maybe my springs are just too strong, but are there other things to look for when i can't get keys to check easily? Many thanks.
Condition of the tails, length, arc, back check angle and closeness. Spring strength and pinning of hammer flange. What kind of piano? Sometimes brushing 80 grit sandpaper or a sanding paddle across the tail where it contacts the back check can help.
You may just need new back checks, some don't work very well.
@@saltlakepianoservice Many thanks for the input. It is a Steinway M 1936 with new hammer shanks (pinning looks good) and new hammers but with the old Steinway tail style to go with the original backchecks. Something telling is that checking works pretty well for lower and upper octaves, being an issue only with the middle 3-4 octaves that get the most play. I suspected this was an indication that the backcheck leather was too warn and tested replacing the leather on samples, but it doesn't seem to make much difference. So I'm looking for other options. I'll try taking down the spring tension more (the new hammers are lighter so the strings are I expect too strong). I've watched you adjust springs in several of your videos but it is hard to gauge what is quite right. I'll also try sanding the tails as you kindly suggested. Do the old style Steinway backchecks require a different angle than 5deg or is it pretty much the same as the new style? Should the hammers check even with light (PP?) playing?
@@andrew81818 The hammers won't always go into check with the softest playing, but the important thing is that they don't bounce and hit the string again. Because of what you're experiencing, I always have the best luck with new back checks and try to always replace on the old Steinways and use the new tail length and arc radius. I don't hold to a certain angle, try going more vertical with the back check and see if that helps.
What do you think about the 1, 4, 5, octave check? (ex. C, F, G, C) I like using it because when there is a good compromise between the 4th, 5th, and octave the chord just “hangs” in the air and you don’t hear any movement.
Yeah, the 4th and 5th in between an octave can be useful. I would say the fifth needs to be considerably more pure than the fourth and I like the octave to not sound compromised at all. I definitely check the 4th and 5th often. That said, I gravitating towards using fewer checks and tuning the octave to sound really clean like a unison. I find when I do this the 4th and 5th are fine if my temperament was good. Fewer checks make for a moreover efficient tuning and I believe the octave tells us most of what we need to know.
I know you’ve experimented with mics, but have you seen those Audigo mics? I’ve been getting a lot of ads for them recently and they look like what you need them for.
How expensive are they? With me it's more a question of time to set levels and test. My UA-cam ventures aren't yet profitable enough to support investing too much into mics.
@@saltlakepianoservice lol yeah I hear that. Looks like $250 for one but you can combine up to 4 of these wireless mics and there is a discount for buying multiple. It seems like they are pretty much plug-n-play for levels and the stuff you’re doing, but I’m seeing that they won’t get an android app until 2025.
@@saltlakepianoservice the difficult thing I found with wireless mics when I was trying to find a cheap one to connect with pianoscope is that most of them have a chip or are programmed for the voice. So sounds like a piano are considered background noise and they automatically adjust them down.
I can definitely hear them with no filter on real pianos even. Even as I'm playing I can hear them
Great video! Like most other techs, these are all things we’ve done hundreds of times, but it’s still interesting to watch another tech work. I’m usually listening to these while I’m doing menial tasks that don’t require my ears. Getting the Dale Erwin mini belt sander and also his micro finishing sand paper set about 3 years ago were a complete game changer for me! I can reshape hammers with deep grooves to look like new in about 15 minutes. I got a mobile I.V. stand off of Amazon and hang the motor from it. It’s way better than those bench mounting clamps. It follows me around and I can take it with me to appointments.
I'd love to see a demo of that setup. Feel free to email me a clip if you ever have the time
I can hear and feel the intimate discovery unfolding. The wheels are turning with no preconceived notion as to what is needed or expected from the world. Pure beauty and bliss. Thank you for capturing this. The future is bright 🌞
sound is awfull, extremely distorted
I agree, back to the drawing board on that
Great job! The sound comes out rather buzzing, could it be the recording or my iPad?
No you're right, I'll keep working on it 👍
I think it would be really interesting to see how your aural result compares with any of the built-in tuning styles in pianoscope. I'm working on my aural skills, but I'm not quite to the level of competency as you very adequately demonstrate.
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@@saltlakepianoservice Thanks for that! Since that's a rather long video, is there a specific time where you look at the whole tuning curve?
Great job! The sound comes out kind of buzzing, could it be the recording or my iPad?
Hello Hyrum.
Why not just carry your tuning fork in your pocket? That way, it's always the same.
That mask is stupid and it doesn't take 30 minute to explain such simple thing.
It doesn't just open from the front without disconnecting the hinges?
Correct, there are no hinges. You have to remove the screws and slide it backwards to release two pins that hold it in place. I think it was meant to not be tampered with by students and children at church.
For those of you watching the lack of audio shouldn't be a problem for the stream today. The purpose of this stream was to show the process of adjusting lost motion, let off, and key dip which we discussed and showed more in depth in episode 46.
I dropped off during the livestream. What did you use to press the leads into the keys?
The drill press and a swedging drift punch.
@@saltlakepianoservice Thank you
Great work! For the aluminum tapping oil easier, I recommend using a small container with fluid in it that you dip your drill bit into every 4-5 holes.
That's a great idea! Thanks!
I wish I could join this team
WAY better afterwards!
Hi Hyrum, at last a Baldwin Grand! The pre-tune run though sounded great. I'm considering purchasing the Micro Fiber Tuning Lever sold on Amazon. It comes with a #2 tip. Would you suggest switching it out? You had mentioned somebody in your shop also purchased it. How did they customize it? I was thinking of purchasing a Jahn #2 tip. Your thoughts? Thank you.
Try #3, I think it will work better.
@@saltlakepianoservice Thank you.
Is that tool to push the strings down on the bridge just a piece of brass in a pin vice?
Yes, that's all. A small maple dowel would also work fine.
Hi Hyrum, very interesting demo of Pianoscope. My hearing is going down hill the older I get so right now I tune unison's by ear until I get to the high treble and use the freeze indicator to do each string. I have changed my technique a little using Pianoscope because I am sure I read somewhere that repeating the note quickly screws up the calculation so you may get errors or inconsistent results. As far as mic placement I have got 2 external lapel mics, one attached to a rubber wedge mute for use in grands and the other attached to a papp's mute for uprights but I don't actually use this one to mute, just to anchor it close to the strings.
Thank you for this window into how Pianoscope can be used further. I would love to see a picture of your tuning setup. saltlakepianoservice@gmail.com
COOL
When do you sleep? 😂
When I'm home in bed!
This is great content! Sorry I’m so long winded! 😅 I was preparing a presentation on using Pianoscope for our local PTG meetings so I had a lot of thoughts on it. It’s very cool to see someone of your caliber use it for the first time and geek out on it. It’s very informative!
I really like the options I have when I have the software with me. From just an aural touch up to fully tuning unisons with it. I had mentioned that I was able to recently tune with the PianoSens pickup while 40 violins warmed up for a concert in the same room 😅 I just popped in my AirPods and listened to a podcast. When I started using it about a year ago I noticed my unisons and hammer technique improved and that was going into my 12th year as a tuner. I’m always trying to improve! Even having an aural example of what a clean unison is supposed to sound like on a particular piano is very helpful in aural training. I mentor the piano tech students at the University of Houston and use them occasionally on big projects. I take care of 40 pianos for a church here and used 2 guys on a tuning blitz. I had them use Pianoscope for that job and they loved it and said their tuning technique improved and the speed at which they were tuning. Their confidence improved after that job knowing they could go to someone’s house and get paid for doing a good job. I have to remind myself that the client is after a result and I don’t get style points for doing it a certain way. Aural tuning is definitely the faster way to go in most cases, but being able to diagnose a piano and getting visual feedback often gets better results, in my opinion.
On some metallic sounding hammers that I still want some power, I use that “scratch” method Stephen Brady (piano tech of the Seattle Symphony) talks about in his book. Just lightly scratch the groove with the needle. It’s particularly helpful with some of the hard pressed hammers like Yamaha that seem to get a little “crust” in the string grooves.
Yeah, totally, I can see how that would give you just a touch of softening felt at the top but preserve power.
Did you make a video for pre-voicing and “juicing” these NY Steinway hammers? I’m starting a rebuild for a client for a 1912 Steinway M. I used Abel Premium Select from WNG on a rebuild I just finished of a 1929 Mason and Hamlin AA. I liked those a lot but I think I’m going to use the NY Steinway hammers. Do you recommend a certain weight? She’s a pro so she likes more modern, concert grand heavier weight. I’ve consulted with David Stanwood and I’m going to use his touch weight method on it.
I believe I caught lacquering hammers on video. Use brushing lacquer 2.5:1 lacquer thinner to lacquer, use a needle bottle and let the lacquer squeeze down from the strike point into the crown until it stops drinking and starts to flow out the sides or until the wet part reaches the top of the hammer molding. Steinway hammers come as they are, I don't fuss with changing their weight to a specific weight other than sometimes I take off as much weight as I can by tapering and coving more on actions that are geared lower.
@@saltlakepianoservice awesome, thank you! I figured you’d use B72 but I guess when in Rome…lol
Any favorite methods for addressing false beats or do you just leave them alone?
Another feature with Pianoscope: since it’s in iOS, you can use your Bluetooth headphones or AirPods and play the pitch in your ear in the machine to tune against. I’ve done this with some pitch raises to go faster so I don’t have to look at the screen. If you set it to automatically change pitches up or down chromatically you also don’t have to touch the screen.
I totally agree with you about voicing and when people say “never” or “always.” I think some people like to shroud it in mystery maybe because they don’t have the vocabulary to teach it. I made my biggest gains in voicing from the video series you made a while back setting up that brand new Steinway in the piano store. I just started using B72 a few months before that and I started voicing with a single needle on the string groove from those videos. I practiced a lot out in the field. After a tuning I would just give each hammer a shallow poke in each string groove. Mostly in old uprights with rock-hard hammers. It took 5 minutes, the customer was happy, and I learned a lot. By practicing on those pianos I could only really improve them.
I enjoy the content and am just soaking in everything you say and do...
Hi Hyrum, another great live stream. This may be the first time I've seen you address the keystop rail. Why do some pianos have them while others do not? If the piano is not being turned on it's side or being transported, which i've read is one of the main purposes of having them, can it be left off the piano action? What size of mute do you use while tuning pianos? Lastly, I am more than grateful for what you have emboldened in me, what is capable going forward. For years, I was content just having my piano tuned a couple of times a year and reliant on my tuner. My eyes and ears are now wide open.
Hi Jesse, thanks for the message! The key upstop rail is only necessary to keep the keys in place so they are not lifted to high off the keypins that hold them in place. It doesn't affect the touch of the action at all. Removing it doesn't hurt anything, but the pianos will more than likely be moved in their lifetime at some point. For grand pianos, I cut mutes out of hammer felt scraps of various sizes. Maybe I can try measuring one today.
I have really enjoyed using pianoscope. It is the first app where I feel like I'm actually in control of how the piano gets tuned. Being able to see the effects of the tuning curve is also pretty incredible. I think you'll like it the more you use it, Hyrum. My advice: seriously take some time to learn about how the tuning styles work. This made a huge difference for me. I've found that the fewer things I'm trying to optimize in that, the better the tunings turn out. I almost never use the built-in tuning styles anymore. When it comes to measuring the initial inharmonicity, there are times where muting off one or more unisons can make a pretty big difference. The algorithms do a great job isolating notes, but sometimes using a single string can really help smooth things out.
Also, I'm just an hour south of you. If you would like any help getting a jump start with pianoscope, I'd be very glad to come meet up with you sometime.
At the beginning of the video you mentioned that you like to stretch the last couple of treble notes a bit more than pianoscope's default. From my experience, there are many different tastes for high treble stretch among technicians so the default of pianoscope's tuning style is conservative. But you can easily add extra stretch in the tuning style settings. Under the weights for the tuning intervals you can find a section called "Extra Stretch". There you can manually add a bit more stretch in the treble. If you tap on the treble row, you can even define the note at which the extra stretch should start. In your case, you would set it to G7 or A7.
Thank you!