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Salt Lake Piano Service Company
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Приєднався 28 сер 2018
Plain and simple: there are way too many pianos out there for me to service by myself! I come to the simple conclusion that the best way for me to contribute is to share ALL the knowledge I have on a world-wide platform. I also hope to learn new things that I haven't ever encountered or considered. This will happen only as you share your insights, questions and piano problems with me through this channel.
I help two main groups of people: Piano Owners and Piano Technicians. My aim is to provide you with top-quality, free educational content that will bless your music-making lives! Continually sharing ideas leads to better ideas. Healthy competition in the industry leads to higher industry standards. I want to provide piano owners with knowledge to make good decisions that facilitate their art. I want to provide piano technicians and tuners with the knowledge, tools, and skills to do a better job. Can you support me in my cause? Let's do this!
I help two main groups of people: Piano Owners and Piano Technicians. My aim is to provide you with top-quality, free educational content that will bless your music-making lives! Continually sharing ideas leads to better ideas. Healthy competition in the industry leads to higher industry standards. I want to provide piano owners with knowledge to make good decisions that facilitate their art. I want to provide piano technicians and tuners with the knowledge, tools, and skills to do a better job. Can you support me in my cause? Let's do this!
Piano Demo 10/10/24
This is the piano that I was working on as I streamed live the last couple days. This job included replacing damper felts, refinishing the damper heads, reinstalling and regulating the dampers, regulating the action, and filing/shaping the hammers and voicing. This piano has a lot of sustain and color. It could be improved even further if more work and part replacement had been done, but it is still a very good piano!
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Steinwas Issues
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Common mistakes I see in rebuilt Steinway pianos. Don't let this happen to you! :)
The Quality of Our Work...Amazing Rebuild on a 1930 Steinway D
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See one of our latest examples of the kind of work that comes out of the Salt Lake Piano Service rebuilding shop. We rebuild Steinways to not only look good but to perform! Watch as Josh Wright tests out this Steinway Model D from 1930.
How to Take Care of Your Piano: An Interview with Master Piano Finisher Christoph Storrer
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How to Take Care of Your Piano: An Interview with Master Piano Finisher Christoph Storrer
Tuning the First 13 Notes of a Piano by Ear (The Temperament)
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Tuning the First 13 Notes of a Piano by Ear (The Temperament)
Tuning a Tuning Fork...Tuning WITH a Tuning Fork
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Tuning a Tuning Fork...Tuning WITH a Tuning Fork
Tuning 3rds and 6ths (Free Complete Online Tuning Course)
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Tuning 3rds and 6ths (Free Complete Online Tuning Course)
Tuning 4ths and 5ths (Free Complete Online Tuning Course)
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Yamaha Piano Owners: These Steps Can Transform Your Grand Piano Into a Beautiful Instrument!
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Tuning Octaves (Free Complete Online Tuning Course Video 2)
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Tuning Octaves (Free Complete Online Tuning Course Video 2)
Tuning Unisons (Free Complete Online Tuning Course Video 1)
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Tuning Unisons (Free Complete Online Tuning Course Video 1)
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How to Safely Remove Fingerprints from Your Piano
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Thank you so much for this series!
Do you think it’s helpful to get a sanders accutuner for a beginner?
I would look into Pianoscope for a beginner. I do think it is helpful to get a tuning software, because you need to work on your skill in manipulating the tuning pin and also your ear. Pianoscope has some built in tools that can also help you work on aural tuning. It is available on IPhone and iPad. If you are an android user, look into Verituner. Both these options are less money than Accutuner and will serve you better with less hassle.
Here are some discount codes for Pianoscope which I highly recommend. ua-cam.com/users/liveByZoqyDLEf4?si=CundzxWB6hGHQqF3
@@saltlakepianoservice what about PianoMeter? That’s what I use. However I find that once I get up to treble register, the app meter then is not accurate since it sound much better when it pulls sharper. So when tuning by ear even thought meter reads much sharper, it sounds right. Conversely, when in Bass register, when meter reads flat, it sounds better than meter being on point. Is that normal? Or maybe my ears messed up. Thank you so much for responding! Btw ur playing is awesome, love the Chopin stuff!
@ChoBee333 You should be able to set the software to stretch more in treble and bass to your ear. I haven't used Piano meter. You could try and tune to the meter for a while and see if you get used to that, but I couldn't judge it one way or the other.
Hyrum gracias por compartir tu conocimiento, gracias por tu bonhomia, eres muy didáctico!!!!!
As an aside the hammers are very hard on this particular piano.
Great Idea: I was discussing this with a piano tuner the other day. I felt there may be a simple solution. What about adding a tiny amount of rubbery Locktight around the edge of the bushing?
Loctite 4902FL Highly Flexible Cyanoacrylate ua-cam.com/video/5yCVpNT2eMI/v-deo.html
Maybe, but that would hard to not get it on the pin-bushing contact
At 12:30 when testing the 4th, the high note having a faster beat tells you that it's wide. Doesn't that only work under the assumption that the partial of the check note is lower than both notes of the 4th? If the partial of the check note were higher, then a higher high note would be closer to it, resulting in a slower, not faster beat. Am I missing something? I'm trying to reconcile this with your claim in the octaves video that the check note doesn't need to be tuned. Thank you for the amazing course!
@@kevinsung3866 Ha ha, I like your comment! True, if the check note was tuned as a NARROW major third from the note you already tuned then the beat comparison check would be opposite. But a narrow major third is so far out of tune that you're not usually going to find that on a piano unless your tuning new strings. If you do find that, your ear should pick up on it right away and you can easily tune your check note quickly to be a wide third. In any case, if the piano is that far out of tune these checks aren't going to help you a lot because you need to get the pitches much closer with a pitch raise or rough tuning first before fine tuning by ear.
@@saltlakepianoservice Got it, thank you!
Sorry if i missed it on your video , but coukdnt you just put more punchings in the rear rail/ pin? Wouldn't it accomplish the same thing?
Yes, if you put punchings under each individual key on the balance rail it would accomplish the same thing as shimming the balance rail, but it would take a lot longer, and it's better to get things close without punchings first, then make the key height consistent with punchings as needed if you were doing a full job of it. This is just a quick fix.
I feel so bad watching this guy trying to work with that ridiculous mask on. Fauci got us good.
It is strange that placing my iPhone to the right of E6 it shows .4 sharp , siting on top of the string 0 and to the left .5 flat... I do know that the developer is going to release a new version that utilizes all microphones in the newer iPhones that will clean up this phenomenon. ua-cam.com/video/C5GPMNgDlG8/v-deo.html&lc=Ugyi9Jz5NI4XN2dbvhR4AaABAg.ABW0oYYftdtABvo76_aLkE
I'm learning a lot from your vids but have one question: check notes:( I've just started but I noticed you use a M3rd below as a check note for both the 4th and the octave). Can you always use a M3rd below as a check? Not sure how to calculate mathematically the check note for a specific interval. It seems like back in the day we used a 10th below the lowest note?
@@papaloads2113 To check a fourth, always use a major third below the bottom note and compare that beat speed with that same check note played with the upper note beat speed. Tenths can be used for checking octaves.
Thank you! I thought I saw you tuning F3 and F4 using a d-flat below the f3. But maybe it was a 10th . (I’m old and it’s tough to remember things😅
@@saltlakepianoserviceand we want both of these speeds to be the same? Thank you!
@carrieqb1 For a fourth in equal temperament we want the speed of the lower note and check note to be slower than the upper note and check note, which tells us the fourth is wide of pure. The difference should result in about a beat per second if you just play the two notes of the fourth and listen to that partial two octaves above the lower note of the fourth.
You did mention wide and narrow and I prefer to use these words rather than flat or sharp for any intervals when discussing scale with clients. I don't know if you speak of 8ve stretch in other vids. Setting pins. You don't strike the keys very hard in this vid.
I came to Pianoscope from TuneLab. I’m much happier with Pianoscope as far as agreeing with my ear. I’m curious what style you have it set to. Have you experimented with the different styles or customized it to your ear?
after the temperament tune, do you then work on high range/low range? I missed it -do you always start with A440?
@@toddscovill6023 Always start with A440. Then tune octaves up and down the piano. Check out my other video showing a real-time quick tuning at the Utah Symphony.
Then he sprays the detailing liquid into the cloth and inadvertently over the keyboard 😂😂
What a transformation! And it also goes to show that having a cracked soundboard is not the end of the world. Strange though how it cracked given the piano was previously in an environment of high humidity, as opposed to being very dry, or could it be a result of moving from a high to low humidity environment and drying out too quickly?
@@mickandrews9458 Yes, high humidity can damage the fibers of the board, then drying out reveals the damage by cracking in the compromised areas.
Many thanks for the video as my piano is new and has quite a few hammers that bobble. I would never have thought of doing this. So are you effectively increasing aftertouch in order to stop the bobbling? Doesn't this reduce lost motion (a small amount of which is necessary to stop key blocking) because the capstan will be ever so slightly higher; in this case presumably there was already enough lost motion such that you did not have to adjust it? This is certainly a lot easier than adjusting key dip on each of the notes and better than reducing blow distance. Thanks again.
This will not appreciably affect lost motion, but if it did that would be a good thing because lost motion increases rapidly with most new pianos that have bobbling. The felt above the capstan compresses. However, this video is meant to be a quick-fix, and doesn't address every aspect of the regulation. This will not totally solve the problem on some pianos. Some will also need the distance between hammer and strings to be decreased and the capstans raised accordingly.
Wow, where to begin! This series of videos, which must surely be a first to youtube, has been incredibly educational and illuminating. To actually follow a master at work in undertaking a full prep, from regulation through to voicing has been a privilege, not to mention all the really excellent questions that Josh asked along the way. Just as I was thinking, well what about that, what does this mean etc., Josh asked the question, which you very clearly answered and often demonstrated (showing the effect of making adjustments to their extremes made things very clear). In addition, Josh's playing ability and selection of pieces really brought out the subleties of the sound from the piano and the result of the changes you had made. I am so grateful for this series of videos. Many thanks indeed.
Thanks for sharing!
ありがとうございます。
What is your personal aftertouch preference as a pianist?
@@Hammondbrass I don't have a number to it, but as minimal as possible while still allowing the jack to very comfortably escape and have a small squish at the end of the key stroke.
If I had to guess... 0.035-0.045"?
@ I see Renner Academy and techs like Stephen Brady recommend .060. I use a gauge that gets me closer to .045. I know what too little and too much aftertouch feels like, but I’m not a pianist. What would be the difference between .030 and .060 for a pianist that would feel better/worse? I could see how less might “tighten” up the feel of keyboard, so to speak, for more virtuosic playing. I could see .060 after some compression and wear could widen up to feel sloppy/bobbly after time. Maybe that would be considered for a keyboard that gets a lot of play but not a lot of work (like a university practice room).
@@HammondbrassOne advantage to minimal aftertouch is a feeling of crisp timing and better repetition. Faster repetition because the jack doesn't have to travel as far to reset
@@saltlakepianoservice ah yes, I will have to squirrel that away in my mind palace and bag of tricks for clients and what they want to achieve on the piano. Thank you, as always!
As an instrumentalist, I am used to perfect tuning.Ther are no beats or "waves" when tununing. How does that work with or not work for orchestras? I wondered how pianos weee tuned to standard tuning. Hope I can get used to this.
Good to know this or I would have tuned my piano to even temperament
The sustain incredible, and I love the mellow sound.
Does tuning temerament come first or do you focus on other tunings first?
Can you clarify?
Ну,звучит как то не очень хорошо.. Хотя,я не знаю,как было раньше..
I don’t know if it’s a humidity factor here in Houston, but in some larger grands with large sections of understring felt with the strings buried in it, I’ve been adding Protek CLP to the felt at the strings for easier tuning and stability. In particular, there is a church with a Shigeru Kawai EX that on average is tuned every 3 months and no matter what I did I’d have to come back a week later to clean up a few unisons. After that it would be rock solid. I would pound it, I would do two passes even when it was only 2-3 cents flat, I would add CLP to other bearing points like the capo and aggraffes, and even the Stephen Brady forearm smash with the sustain pedal down. After I started lightly lubricating the understring felt it’s been stable after the tuning and the strings movement has been more reactive with the pin movement. The only hypothesis I have is that moisture is trapped in the felt causing some corrosion on the part that touches the felt and is creating more friction. So if you were looking for another reason to use more costly Protek, here it is! 😂 I swear, if we find out one day it’s just like soybean oil I’m going to be so pissed! 😅
@@Hammondbrass ha ha ha. I like these comments about the Protek. The strings definitely have rust and lubing it helped a little. Thanks for watching!
You made that piano to sound wonderful!!
What type of work you did in that piano ? Did you voice it ? I don’t know what you did on it ..
a question: when you do the last octave I saw that you do the 6:3 octave test. do you make them beat at the same speed? sorry for my english, I hope I explained myself. thanks
Thanks for your question! No, I don't always make them beat the same speed, I tune the octave until it sounds right, then I check the 6:3 to see what the difference in beat speed is in the check, then that can help me to make sure I keep that pattern similar as I tune octaves lower down and it's a check in case I get fooled and get way off course. Typically I notice that on larger pianos the minor third of the test beats slower than the major sixth. On small pianos, the minor third may beat the same as the major sixth. But if you tune the octave only based on the 6:3 it won't always sound the best.
@@saltlakepianoservice thanks for the reply, I also found the same thing but I wanted confirmation from an expert technician. I hope to give a video that explains how to tune the octaves, like the ones you made on the intervals of 4 -5 and 3. Very well done
Thanks!😉😉
Thanks!
Too bad you didn't activate the translator option!😉
Do you have the UA-cam video made of BOSTON GRAND BEDDING ? What tool do you use for that? Please video it please.
@@naokookadahill5639 I have ground the two-prong tool in the past which was sold by Pianotek so it will fit Bostons. Currently I just use needle nose pliers to turn those.
Excellent !
This video is very practical and instructive for those like me who are self-taught in adjusting my upright piano by myself so thank you very much indeed.😉😉😉
Muito bom
Can't you just tune A4 to the fork? Seems faster and easier, so what is it I'm not understanding?
Tuning to the fork by just matching the pitch as you listen to the fork will get you close, but it's hard to get it right on. We are shooting for a pitch that is within one cent of the fork margin of error, to get that close, I have to use a beat check to make sure I'm right on. So yes, faster and easier, but not as accurate as comparing the beats.
Can any tuner get the software or only the ripoff dealers can charge triple to tune it?
For 170 grand, shouldn't it tune itself?
Very educational video, thank you. I'm contemplating learning to tune, as I am learning to play as well. Your videos have been the most helpful and honest. Thanks again.
I can't imagine what this would cost to fix. My baby grand has a few keys clicking. As it happens, I have been leaving the A/C on 78 for a month or two. 😢
This is a very rushed tuning right? Just a rough draft so you can actually tune. Right? Because copying octaves (even while checking 5ths) is just making a copy of a copy of a copy eventually when you get super high or super low, the errors compound. The most beautiful tunings are when you get the most matched overtone combinations possible. It gives lots of resonance to the entire instrument. Verituner cannot do that well.
@@FlyWithNoam No, this is a fine tuning before a Symphony rehearsal. Granted, this piano is tuned so much that things fall into place more easily and quickly. You practice tuning so that there aren't many errors as you go up. I only used Verituner here to get my A4 pitch, then tuned everything else by ear. Verituner is actually a very good software that does a great job, but I like tuning by ear for the reasons you mentioned, to get sonority by matching as many partials as possible as closely as possible. Octaves give us so many coincident or doubled partials (overtones) that this way of tuning works very well... Indeed this is how you tune by ear with efficiency. If there are things that don't sound good in the end, you can quickly fix them and check all the way up and all the way down by octaves to eliminate errors that were compounded. But in truth, the errors aren't really compounded, just duplicated. It's a lot more simple than a lot of people out there make it sound. The sound of the piano tells you very quickly if it's good or not. If you watch and listen closely to this video, you will see that I constantly check the sound of the tuning in a musical context to expose anything that doesn't sound the way I want it to. Thanks for your comments!
@@saltlakepianoservice thank you for the thorough reply :) I love your passion! I for sure know what you mean about things falling into place. I have a 1993 C&A D and a 2013 Hamburg D and they are so stable because of you tune every day for 1 month, after that they just stay!!!! I personally tune e3-e4 because the beat speeds are a bit slower and easier for me. Then I copy from temperament as much as I can. What do I mean? When it’s time to tune g5, I just put it where it’s slightly narrow with c4 and slightly wide with g3. You know what I’m talking about :) because the g3 c4 4th is slightly wide :) so we can’t 100% match both!
I’m taking notes for every video if someone wants them to study with for tuning.
Thank you, Hyrum. This is truly great and very helpful.
I can’t believe he isn’t famous or that this only has 5.5 thousand views after 2 years. He taught me more than everything else I found online.
I need a Tech like this one , we only have Tuners Not Technicians 😢
piano string broken and needs to be fixed. Isi which end can you precogmmmm
That is a magnificent sounding model D. Tonally well balanced with power in the bass that impresses but isn't overbearing to drown out other registers. The treble sings and sustains beautifully, added with a lush and resonant midrange. Kudos to Hyrum and his team for a beautifully done rebuilding job on this wonderful instrument. If I ever need rebuilding work on my Steinway, I'd have no qualms entrusting my piano to them. Well done.
Super!
Sounds magnificent! What a treat to hear, and probably even more to play! Love Josh Wright, too. Pianos at the Bachauer sounded fantastic.
The soft pedal point is so true for most pianos i usually avoid using una corda altogether, also because the shifting a whole keyboard sideways is really weird and startling 😅!!! Always wished for more subtle, still-noticeable-on-newer-hammers una corda voicing
There was a LOT of skilled work to get that kind of tone. well done. Josh Wright, the player, is so generous with his online pedagogy. Good dude!