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Hydroxylamine from ammonium chloride (definitive version)
This method is a major improvement on the initial version, which has now been marked as an "early prototype".
Sources:
Johnson, Cooper, Mezyk, Bartels, Rad. Phys. Chem. 65 (2002), 317-326, DOI 10.1016/S0969-806X(02)00332-8
Dunstan, Bossi, J. Chem. Soc. 73 (1898), 353-361, DOI 10.1039/CT8987300353
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Homebrewing tert-butyl hydroperoxide
Переглядів 1,8 тис.2 місяці тому
A very useful oxidising agent that's deadly in a fire, but otherwise well-behaved - not the toxic liquid death it's often claimed to be. Although the method is not visually interesting, and the last few minutes of the video consists of me chelping on about the final product's hazards, I did get some nice deflagrations from it. Preparation methods: Milas, Harris, J. Am. Chem. Soc. 60 (1938), 243...
Concentrating hydrogen peroxide
Переглядів 3,3 тис.2 місяці тому
A quick and easy method, provided you have a heating mantle, a good vacuum pump and a very efficient condenser. Method based on Hurd and Puterbaugh, J. Am. Chem. Soc. 52 (1930), 950-953, DOI 10.1021/ja01366a016
Modified method of PCC alcohol oxidation
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Simple and easy, provided you're OK with handling hexavalent chromium. Method used adapted from: Luzzio et al., J. Chem Ed. 76 (1999), 974-975, DOI 10.1021/ED076P974 Brown, Rao, Kulkarni, J. Org. Chem 44 (1979), 2809-2810, DOI 10.1021/JO01329A051 Preparation method for PCC: Agarwal, Tiwari, Sharma, Tetrahedron 46 (1990), 4417-4420, DOI 10.1016/S0040-4020(01)86776-4
Hydroxylamine from ammonium chloride (early prototype)
Переглядів 2 тис.4 місяці тому
Thanks to @Auroral_Anomaly for the idea behind this video. The method itself is still very much a work in progress. Method based on Johnson, Cooper, Mezyk, Bartels, Rad. Phys. Chem. 65 (2002), 317-326, DOI 10.1016/S0969-806X(02)00332-8.
Reductive alkylation of amines
Переглядів 1,1 тис.5 місяців тому
Or is it reductive amination of carbonyls? But however you look at it, this procedure is almost unbelievably simple and it actually works. Sources: Heydari, Arefi, Esfandyari, J. Mol. Cat. A: Chem 274 (2007), 169-172, DOI 10.1016/j.molcata.2007.05.004 Nicholls et al, ACS Catal. 8 (2018), 3678-3687, DOI 10.1021/acscatal.7b04108
Reducing carboxylic acids to alcohols
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No Lithal or inert atmosphere required, and this method is much less fiddly than the 'classic' borane reduction. This video has been a very long time in the works. Special thanks to Ollie and Sophia at Techmate, who got me a free replacement bottle of diisopropyl ether when the courier lost the first one by putting the shipping label on the wrong parcel. References: First usage of Lithal: Finho...
The elusive Dimroth condenser
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I mentioned how cool this looked in the hydroxylamine video, but only a brief glimpse of it was seen in the final cut. Here it is in all its coily glory, substantially speeding up a vacuum distillation.
Homebrewing hydroxylamine
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A.k.a. another fun usage of sodium nitrite, and one of the few reactions where nitrite acts as an oxidiser. Also, I've now realised I called the intermediate product a bisulphonate instead of a disulphonate several times, both in the text and in the voiceover. Oops.
Homebrewing phenylhydrazine
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A literal textbook example of diazotisation, based on a method from 1922. Not just useful, but visually spectacular as well. Based on Org. Syn. 2 (1922), 71, DOI 10.15227/orgsyn.002.0071 and US Patent 3,203,989.
Burning sodium nitrate and graphite (plus outtake)
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I was planning to make a video about homebrewing sodium nitrite, which is very hard to get hold of for amateur chemists in western Europe, but the method just didn't work. However, I did film this bit of demonstrative footage, showing exactly why you can't make nitrite by directly combining nitrate with a reducing agent. I was expecting the flare, but I didn't expect the build-up to be so slow ...

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @rodneyvinen1594
    @rodneyvinen1594 3 дні тому

    Very nice chemistry. Thank you for sharing.

  • @davidfetter
    @davidfetter 3 дні тому

    I just love the work you're doing here! Would TCCA also work, and might it, too, donate all its chlorine?

  • @freedoom323
    @freedoom323 4 дні тому

    Hey man! I actually still am an industrial chemist running a small custom synthesis company. I have to admit that some of your exotic modifications of common protocols are worth considering, given a fact it is supposed to simplify and cheapen the operation. Also your accent is very ASMR and puts me asleep instantly. :)

  • @jacobtierney4419
    @jacobtierney4419 5 днів тому

    Great work mate, great to see amateur chemistry is still possible in the UK too with all our regulations.

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 5 днів тому

      thank you! to be honest, other than the restrictions on buying explosive precursors and poisons, and UN schedule I drug precursors, there is little if any legal restriction on home chemistry here; a stark contrast to, say, Germany, where individuals are legally prohibited from buying chemicals, and have to form a company to do so things only get complicated if you do it somewhere where other people can see you doing it, or if it has a negative impact on other people (e.g. bad smells, fires, explosions or structural damage), or if you try to sell homemade chemicals

  • @SaneChemist
    @SaneChemist 16 днів тому

    I've been planning an experiment for a while which requires a step of turning multiple carboxyl groups into alcohols and I really didn't want to have to mess around with LAH. This video is a god send 🙏

  • @mehdiaslani1542
    @mehdiaslani1542 Місяць тому

    Hi teacher, for the synthesis of 1/3 acetone dicarboxylic acid, should only oleum be used? Thank you for your answer.

  • @mihraz47
    @mihraz47 Місяць тому

    What do you think of freezing it?

  • @Ential
    @Ential 2 місяці тому

    Onyxmet sells LiAlH4 at a price of 50 euros for 100 dollars. Unfortunately sold out currently though...

  • @SodiumInteresting
    @SodiumInteresting 2 місяці тому

    Interesting method

  • @Suitswonderland
    @Suitswonderland 2 місяці тому

    Are you recording in a cave? Audio quality is terrible, nice payed for views, I was so interested in what they did and I guess its put garbage content on my feed for a day by false paise.

  • @Labhamsterua
    @Labhamsterua 2 місяці тому

    Add sulfur to this mixture

  • @jaybee6786
    @jaybee6786 2 місяці тому

    Another great video but really not sure how I feel about a Yorkshireman using the word, "passionately" 🤔

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 2 місяці тому

      I needed another way to say "it burns like fuck" and was rapidly running out of adjectives (also, I may have been less than sober when editing it)

  • @NautsuJJR
    @NautsuJJR 2 місяці тому

    Small note: isn't that the structure for isobutyl sulfate at 1:50 not tert-butyl sulfate?a

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 2 місяці тому

      it is, thank you very much for pointing it out! funnily enough, the last error I made like this was consistently using the wrong name for a correct structure (bisulphonate instead of disulphonate) - using the correct name for the wrong structure is progress of sorts

  • @SetTheCurve
    @SetTheCurve 2 місяці тому

    This is probably my favorite new UA-cam channel for chemistry, that said the audio quality makes it very difficult to understand what is being said.

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 2 місяці тому

      I do have quite a strong accent - in my experience, the auto-generated closed captions transcribe my words right most of the time, and when they don't, there's usually enough visual context to work out what it is that's being said

    • @SetTheCurve
      @SetTheCurve 2 місяці тому

      @@yorkshirechemist your accent is strong, but I think the actual issue is the microphone you’re using or something. The audio quality is muddy so it’s harder to understand your accent than if the audio was more crisp.

  • @SetTheCurve
    @SetTheCurve 2 місяці тому

    Does hydrogen peroxide perform the same function to acid chloride, but in a different solvent?

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 2 місяці тому

      not really, no - in this case, it participates in an SN1 nucleophilic substitution the sulphuric acid protonates t-butyl alcohol at the alcohol group, and the alcohol group leaves as water, resulting in a t-butyl carbocation; this carbocation reacts with hydrogen peroxide to form t-butyl hydroperoxide

    • @SetTheCurve
      @SetTheCurve 2 місяці тому

      @@yorkshirechemist I don’t think I worded my question well. I meant to ask if the unique aspect of t-butyl hydro peroxide is that it can participate in decarboxylations in non polar solvents, whereas in polar solvents or water you could just use hydrogen peroxide?

  • @davidfetter
    @davidfetter 2 місяці тому

    I literally laughed out loud at "more badges than a punk rocker's jacket." Thanks for yet another amazing walk-through!

  • @blahsomethingclever
    @blahsomethingclever 2 місяці тому

    That looks like an angry little chemical!

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 2 місяці тому

      and yet, it's totally well-behaved if it's handled properly to be fair, this is true of most chemicals, other than (e.g.) high-nitrogen nitrocellulose, tetraselenium tetranitride, and fulminating silver, which are all laws unto themselves

  • @benjaminshropshire2900
    @benjaminshropshire2900 2 місяці тому

    Is this just a common subject, is Google/UA-cam being spooky about guessing why I'm searching for thing or is it a just coincidence that I was thinking about this topic on a walk a few days ago? FWIW: I was more thinking along the lines a freezing out the water which (if you can get to -40 or lower) should be able to get above ~30%, thought I don't know what kind of efficiency you would get.

  • @theonlyjimjones
    @theonlyjimjones 2 місяці тому

    I can't even watch your video because of the poor quality audio... Good microphones are relatively cheap.

  • @murat_321
    @murat_321 2 місяці тому

    Man, I really wish people would watch your videos instead of watching stupid videos on the Internet. I really wish you success 😊

    • @Suitswonderland
      @Suitswonderland 2 місяці тому

      So we can have more terrorists? You don’t want every idiot knowing how they can produce chemical weapons, giving the morals of the majority of this world of drunks were suppose to put up with.

  • @SGregW
    @SGregW 2 місяці тому

    One can go down a wormhole when researching the authors of these old papers. Charles D. Hurd was involved with a lot of pyrolysis chemistry, including acetone -> ketene. His infamous ketene lamp is illustrated in OrgSyn. Click on his name ( hyperlinked ) in the above mentioned article on the JACS website.

  • @SetTheCurve
    @SetTheCurve 2 місяці тому

    I’d like to see you determine how high you can get the h2o2 concentration to be using this or a variety of techniques. The E&F channel attempted to see how high he could get it and the attempts seemed difficult and not very practical.

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 2 місяці тому

      the original paper's authors claimed they could only get it up to 45% under vacuum using xylene, but they were using a water aspirator pump rather than the kind of oil pump I was using, so this method is not directly comparable the very first time I tried it, I did eventually manage to get a solution that was somewhere around 50% peroxide w/w according to density alone but that was so long ago I didn't have the equipment or reagents available to do a proper titrimetric analysis, and I've not done any further peroxide concentrations since then, so yeah

  • @randangbalado
    @randangbalado 2 місяці тому

    do experiment with tea

  • @kemster9495
    @kemster9495 2 місяці тому

    Impressive and unique process

  • @alllove1754
    @alllove1754 2 місяці тому

    I love chemistry, and you do some decent experiments. I came across your channel with the selection at the top of the 'home' selection of "chemistry videos" and your very lriginal video on hydroxylamine synth was on there, which was so cool because you were making a video of stuff ive never seen done before, even in school, if i remember correctly. Thanks for teaching and for the vicarious lab experience. The way ypu did this was new to me. The easiest way i ever saw someone raising thebpercentage of peroxide to water was simply heating the solution, to steaming but NOT boiling. Let the volume drop. Your solution will get syrupy. Tada

  • @WaffleStaffel
    @WaffleStaffel 2 місяці тому

    Nice work. I've tried distillation and fractional freezing. I've found the most effective way to concentrate it with minimal loss is to pour it into a shallow tray and let it sit for a few weeks, covered with a large piece of tissue paper or something. If you want to remove the stabilizers, distill it at its low concentration first.

  • @SetTheCurve
    @SetTheCurve 2 місяці тому

    Is there a danger of concentrating this oxidizer in a fuel? If so, at which point?

    • @NinjaChemistChannel
      @NinjaChemistChannel 2 місяці тому

      His H2O2 final concentration was only 22%. At this point should be pretty safe. In theory this should be safe until approx 60% concentration.

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 2 місяці тому

      it's very unlikely - there are no flames, sparks or other ignition sources, and the distillation is run a little above room temperature, i.e. nowhere near hot enough for autoignition to occur

    • @SetTheCurve
      @SetTheCurve 2 місяці тому

      @@NinjaChemistChannel I wonder if you could use something like a dean stark for achieving higher concentrations safely, by only adding as much xylene as dissolves which I imagine is minimal. I just read that it’s in the sub gram range per liter. It seems like you could add just a few ml of xylene to get the maximum benefit so long as it was continuously replenished.

    • @SetTheCurve
      @SetTheCurve 2 місяці тому

      @@yorkshirechemistI would have thought that at some very high concentration the h2o2 would be aggressive and lower the ignition requirements.

    • @NinjaChemistChannel
      @NinjaChemistChannel 2 місяці тому

      @@SetTheCurve yes, you are right, dean stark should work better

  • @scrappydoo7887
    @scrappydoo7887 2 місяці тому

    Thank you 👍 thats very useful to those of us who are hobby enthusiasts

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 2 місяці тому

      no worries! to be honest I'm surprised it's not better known, given that it was first published nearly 100 years ago

    • @scrappydoo7887
      @scrappydoo7887 2 місяці тому

      @@yorkshirechemist do you have any particularly trustworthy sources for chemistry papers and or experiments? I recover gold and associated PGMs from ewaste and jewelry and dabble in fireworks at certain times of the year so legitimate sources would be greatly appreciated 👍

  • @shrivanth6774
    @shrivanth6774 2 місяці тому

    That's great

  • @tahallium
    @tahallium 3 місяці тому

    doesn’t sodium chloride by itself make isopropyl alcohol insoluble in water?

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 3 місяці тому

      it does, but carbonate does the job better at lower concentrations, especially potassium carbonate

  • @SetTheCurve
    @SetTheCurve 3 місяці тому

    Great video but please speak more clearly. If you want to know what I heard, read UA-cam’s automatic captions.

  • @ironfluoride8764
    @ironfluoride8764 3 місяці тому

    Do you have good ventilation?

  • @navenation2753
    @navenation2753 3 місяці тому

    For allylic or benzylic alcohols, manganese dioxide can be used as a mild oxidant. The manganese dioxide needs to be activated, as water or protic solvents decrease the activity, but it’s an extremely mild (and cheap!) oxidant and the procedure is very simple. I’ve had success oxidizing diphenylmethanols to benzophenones with 4-8 equivalents of MnO2 in dichloromethane overnight at reflux, giving excellent to quantitative yields. I’ve been told toluene, ethanol free chloroform, and other aprotic solvents all generally work well.

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 3 місяці тому

      interesting, didn't know about that one - thanks!

    • @davidfetter
      @davidfetter 3 місяці тому

      This is super interesting. Do you have references, ideally with DOIs, that people can use to dig further into this? Are there named reactions or things along that line that would help searches?

    • @davidfetter
      @davidfetter 3 місяці тому

      @@yorkshirechemist I tried to add a thing I found with a lot of references to MnO₂ oxidations, and failed several different ways, which was enlightening but a bit frustrating. Is there some other way I might send it to you?

    • @stefanstark7881
      @stefanstark7881 3 місяці тому

      In university the oxidation of cinnamalcohol to the aldehyde with MnO2 is a quite common lab experiment.

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 3 місяці тому

      @@davidfetter the easiest way would be to join the sciencemadness forums, and send me a private message there - my username is Lionel Spanner

  • @TheBackyardChemist
    @TheBackyardChemist 3 місяці тому

    What about Parikh-Doering? Yeah it needs SO3, but that is not exceptionally hard to make given the recent Nurdrage videos.

    • @davidfetter
      @davidfetter 3 місяці тому

      "Needs SO₃" is definitely in "Apart from that, Mrs. Kennedy, how did you enjoy Dallas?" territory.

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 3 місяці тому

      SO3 is not something I have any desire to handle, other than as pyridine/SO3; I'm not yet at that level of courage or active ventilation (my lab is a converted coal cellar in a terraced house, with nowhere to run the ducting for a fixed extractor fan or fume hood, and the ceiling is too low to fit the latter)

    • @TheBackyardChemist
      @TheBackyardChemist 3 місяці тому

      @@yorkshirechemist Yeah, no fume hood means absolutely no SO3, I would not do it without great ventilation either.

  • @davidfetter
    @davidfetter 3 місяці тому

    DOIs for the references, respectively: doi10.1021/ED076P974 doi10.1021/JO01329A051 doi10.1016/S0040-4020(01)86776-4 Any chance this can go in the description?

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 3 місяці тому

      done and done! (also done for previous videos; I'll be doing this as standard in future)

    • @davidfetter
      @davidfetter 3 місяці тому

      @@yorkshirechemist thanks!!

  • @RowanJacobs
    @RowanJacobs 3 місяці тому

    Another great video, both lucid and informative. Thank you! PCC was a classic reaction we covered in ochem 1 but we didn't really talk about the yield and practicalities much.

  • @noelbreitenbach8673
    @noelbreitenbach8673 4 місяці тому

    I really enjoy your relaxed style of making chemistry videos. I hope you’re having fun and I hope you keep putting stuff out there!

  • @philouzlouis2042
    @philouzlouis2042 4 місяці тому

    Hi Yorkshire Chemist, Super nice video about that reaction and product highly interesting for chemical analysis and obtainable OTC. Of course I will keep silent the use of hydrazine or hydroxylamine as HEM (high energetic materials); while amonium NO3 has a VOD (velocity of detonation) of 3-3,5 km/s (yes MACH 8-10) and is quite hard to set off; his brothers display VODs of 7,9-8;5 kms/s. One has to consider of course the negative OB (oxygen balance) of HN (N2H5NO3) and the positive OB of HAN (NH4NO5) vs the usual "poor" oxydiser NH4NO3 OB. The fact that hydrazinium tends to lower the density vs ammonium; while hydroxylaminium tends to push it up(*); and any good pyrotechnicien would see the advantages of rendering the overal OB closer to 0 by admixing a good fuel or HEx to those super-oxydisers or energetic materials. (*) paradoxaly HAN being too rich at oxygen reduces its overal VOD but its increase of density also increases its VOD because any increment of density by 0,1g/ccm also increases the VOD by about 300-500m/s I am very interested by this experiment because NH2OH.HCl costed about 20€ for 100gr a decade or two ago :o). Also it is in good part the core of a question I had about chemistry from facts I came accros during the last 35 years: 1) Chloropicrine (CCl3-NO2) can turn into guanidine upon exposure to NH4OH (NH3) probably via dehalogenation and substitution of the active Cl (activated by the viccinal EWG (electron withdrawing group) -NO2) what makes it highly nasty warfare agent. Cl3C-NO2 + NH3 --> H2N-CCl2-NO2 + HCl H2N-CCl2-NO2 + NH3 --> (H2N-)2CCl-NO2 + HCl (H2N-)2CCl-NO2 + NH3 --> (H2N-)2C=NH + HCl + NO2 ((-) or (°)) NH3 + NO2(-) -H2O-> H2N-NO + H2O --> N2 + 2 H2O 2) During many years I thought that hypochlorite anion was a source of Cl(+) that could be observed by the HO-Cl --> H(+) + O-Cl(-) (the convention electrical charge make use of -2+x=-1 and x is of course +1 for chlorine) 3) The same applies for chloramines or haloamines (bromides or iodides) but not for fluoramines (what are of course always F(-) and never F(+))... Note that NF3 is a powerful energetic material-fuel leading to a specific class of fluoramines that are all HEM or fuels. NH3 + Cl2 --> NH2-Cl + HCl NH2-Cl + Cl2 --> NHCl2 + HCl NHCl2 + Cl2 --> NCl3 + HCl (this last step can easily happen unwanted in some NH4(+) salty mildly acidic solutions subjected to chlorination or HOCl) The electronegativity of N vs Cl is nearly equal so where goes the e(-) charge onto the N like into NH3 or onto the Cl like into NO2(-) or NO3(-)? From what I have seen trichloroisocuanuric acid is a source of Cl(+) and not of Cl(-) because it reacts with water to generate HOCl (HO(-) with Cl(+) and not HCl. (-NCl-CO-)3 + 3 H2O --> 3 HO-Cl + (-NH-CO-)3 (isocyanuric acid) (-NH-C(=O)-)3 <--==> (-N=C(-OH)-)3 (cyanuric acid) Cyanuric acid is thus related to a cyclic kind of urea trimer. And urea can form an unsoluble Cl-NH-CO-NH-Cl very close to TCCA. and probably interesting for your target molecule (?) if HO-NH-CO-NH-OH is reachable the way you did it. 4) Alk-NH2 can react with NaOCl in mild acidity to form Alk-NCl2 The later are highy powerful and dangerous HEM, flamable and generate a cloud of black smoke aside acidic gas HCl often with a loud detonic report. Typical examples are CH3-NCl2, Cl2N-CH2-CH2-NCl2 but denser twins are solid and denser like Br2N-CH2-CH2-NBr2. Just to give you an idea of the power of those unconventional HEM, the first member CH3-NCl2 is easily isolable as a yellow oil and is quite comparable in power (and probably sensitivity to propane-1,2,3-triol trinitrate (aka NG)). Any higher hologues from halogenated polyamine are denser and more powerful. So here is my question: Apparently you used the following reaction H2N-Cl + NaOH --> H2N-OH + NaCl (thus involving OH(-) and Cl(-)) This means that nothing is against the following: HNCl2 + 2 NaOH --> HN(-OH)2 + 2 NaCl HN(OH)2 --> H-N=O + H2O and most of all NCl3 + NaOH --> NCl2(-OH) + NaCl --> Cl-N=O (nitrosyl chloride) + H2O + NaCl NCl3 + 3 NaOH --> N(OH)3 + 3 NaCl --> HO-N=O + H2O + NaCl Thus a very convenient chemical way to convert a dangerous easily done NCl3 into NO, Cl-NO or HNO2 and from this NxOy and HNO3 :o) In the same order of ideas to convert R-NCl2 into R-N(OH)2 (or R-N=O and H2O) and the later R-NO to be oxydisable into R-NO2 (or R-O-NO) what would be a revolution for nitrosocarbons, nitrocarbons or nitrite esters. Of course the presence of Cl(+) into chloramines, chloramides or TCCA make them totally against any acidic use because this means probable formation in situ of the unfamous yellow oil NCl3. Regards, PHZ (PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum)

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 4 місяці тому

      ayup mate your feedback is valuable and much appreciated, but going forward, you'd be better off PMing it to me on sciencemadness itself - I post as Lionel Spanner on there

    • @philouzlouis2042
      @philouzlouis2042 4 місяці тому

      @@yorkshirechemist Thank you, I did PM you there. BTW the chloroamines are a good way to allow for de-hydrohalogenation via a mild base of the type (Alk-)3N or R-N=R' and lead to organic nitriles; those bases doesn't allow for a Cl(+) transfer like any R-NH-R or R-NH2 (secondary or primary amine would via their accessible N-H bond). R-CH2-NCl2 -cat-> R-C#N + 2 HCl ( neutralized by the mild base like R3N as R3N.HCl) It is interesting to note that amino acids do the same; probably thanks to the EWG effect of the -NCl2 (very closely related to a EWG like a nitro group -NO2) and thus favorizing decarboxylation first. R-CH(-NH2)-CO2H --HOCl or NaOCl--> R-CH(-NCl2)-CO2H R-CH(-NCl2)-CO2H --> R-CH2-NCl2 + CO2(g) --> R-C#N + 2 HCl The same should happen from aldehydes that are aminated (imine base) and later halogenated: R-CH=O + NH3 --> R-CH=NH + H2O R-CH=NH + HOCl --> R-CH=NCl + H2O R-CH=NCl -base-> R-C#N + HCl There are many R-CN or Ar-CN synthesis pathways in organic chemistry by now that somehow play probably on that principle or related like-principles via iodamines (I2), TCCA, other chloramines or other halogenating (Cl(+)) agents. Interestingly (R-)2CH-NH2 provides (R-)2CH-NCl2 and then (R-)2C=N-Cl after mild base treatment and HCl removal via deprotonation of the alfa H atom; so a keton halo-imine. There was a study by Axt on the Science Madness forum about those alkyl-amino-dichlorides to try to figure out if the N-Cl could be substitued simply and mildly by AgNO2 to R-NCl-NO2 or even to R-N(NO2)2. But apparently it was not a 100% go probably due to the fact that I explained about the probable difficulty for a Cl(+) to leave as a Cl(-) in a usual R-X + Y(-) substitution R-Y + X(-)? Stil there is on wikipedia the reaction stated that there is an apparent easiness of (R-)2NCl formation from (R-)2NH and NaOCl: What would imply a Cl(+) exchange for a H(+) (R-)2NH + NaOCl --> (R-)2NCl + NaOH But there is no mention of the putative similar reaction that occured in your NH2-OH synthesis from NH2Cl and NaOH that would imply formation of organic N-hydroxylamine (what would be very interesting to organic chemist or as energetic base for energetic oxo salts (denser by wheigt and richer at energy content; thus displaying higher detonic parameters or propellant abilities)... R2NCl + NaOH --> R2N-OH + NaCl PHZ (PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum)

  • @mgritsch
    @mgritsch 4 місяці тому

    Have you verified the identity/purity of the final product in any way?

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 4 місяці тому

      the most definitive proof I have is that when heated with aqueous formaldehyde in basic conditions, it forms a yellow solution of formaldoxime, which can be extracted with isopropyl or t-butyl alcohol, or some other organic solvent the exact same result occurs with the Raschig-process hydroxylamine I prepared in an earlier video, so either both of these procedures produce hydroxylamine, or both products are an unexpected compound that has some superficial chemical similarities to hydroxylamine hope this helps!

  • @mgritsch
    @mgritsch 4 місяці тому

    What‘s the point of using a pH 9 buffer (most likely dilute borax) if later you add large amounts of highly basic substances like the bleach solution as well as hydroxide and carbonate? The buffer capacity has very likely already been exceeded by far just by the hypochlorite and the reaction creates more base (NH3 + NaOCl > NH2Cl + NaOH).

    • @philouzlouis2042
      @philouzlouis2042 4 місяці тому

      It has probably something to do with optimum reaction speed or mechanism at or arround that pH; being off may catalyse other pathways that are usually leading to common uninteresting N2, H2O, Cl2, Cl(-) and maybe some other valuable interesting stuffs (N2H4, Cl-NO, HNO2) PHZ (PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum)

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 4 місяці тому

      in order to create monochloramine in a reliable and consistent manner, I reproduced the method from the paper, keeping the pH at constant 8-9 and adding hypochlorite as slowly as possible in order to prevent the formation of dichloramine and nitrogen trichloride from my experience, fresh hypochlorite solution prepared as described, with no free chloride or hydroxide present, is around pH 8, and if you're used to handling commercially available bleach, the smell of chlorine from a solution of this nature is surprisingly weak the addition of hydroxide only starts once all the monochloramine has been formed

  • @jogandsp
    @jogandsp 4 місяці тому

    "no attempt was made to smell it" Well where's your spirit of adventure lol?

  • @jogandsp
    @jogandsp 4 місяці тому

    I ALSO despise all forms of click bait, so i appreciate you not doing that. Even when a video seems interesting to me, ill actively avoid it if its presented in a click baity way

    • @bertiebuxton9573
      @bertiebuxton9573 3 місяці тому

      lol i got click baited by the title ammonium chloride. it should be chloramine or bleach+ammonia.

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 3 місяці тому

      @@bertiebuxton9573 to be fair, chloramine is shown as an intermediate in the diagram below the title

  • @DaierLemmer
    @DaierLemmer 4 місяці тому

    Great stuff. Very useful.

  • @bromisovalum8417
    @bromisovalum8417 4 місяці тому

    A similar method on a more sensitive substrate that is very prone to Pictet-Spengler side-reaction gives good (70+%) yield of the tertiary amine. The process is very similar to yours, except no use of acid to adjust the pH, no catalyst, just add formalin and NaBH4 in several subsequent cycles (allow 10 minutes for imine formation, reduce to sec. amine, add formalin again for imine, tert. amine) but the most important thing is to run the entire reaction in the deepfreezer and keep temps below -10°C during addition, preferably at -15°C at all time. In that way NaBH4 performs just as well as NaBH3CN if not better, even for sensitive substrates that will go the Pictet-Spengler route if you just look at it the wrong way. It's a claim from an obscure patent that turned out to be truthful and work very well.

    • @ashe1.070
      @ashe1.070 4 місяці тому

      Another method that works involves using the formaldehyde sodium bisulfite adduct, a mild base (like Et3N), and sodium triacetoxyborohydride made in situ from NaBH4 and acetic acid. The reaction is kind of picky about which solvent you use. DCE apparently works the best, but I think chloroform, or THF could also work. However, the advantage is that it could be done at room temperature.

  • @7hunderstorm242
    @7hunderstorm242 4 місяці тому

    Very cool, I Always wondered if it was possible, I'll try it too and try to use ice bath to see how much yield we can get :3 love to see a before impossible to get chemical being searched upon and made available for every chemists !!! Thanks for your video ❤

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 4 місяці тому

      no worries! the single strangest thing about hydroxylamine is how hard it is to find for amateur chemists; there is one reliable supplier, but they're based in Kaliningrad (an exclave of Russia on the Baltic Sea) and the general deterioration of international relations in the last few years has made buying it that way very complicated

  • @bromisovalum8417
    @bromisovalum8417 4 місяці тому

    Interesting method! First time I've seen this put in practice. Sure beats the traditional methods in simplicity. Strong bleach solutions with no additives are still available here, I guess the concentration could be determined through iodometry. Solid bleach tablets however, are all sodium dichloroisocyanurate or TCCA.

    • @yorkshirechemist
      @yorkshirechemist 4 місяці тому

      the most surprising thing I found about making a fresh hypochlorite solution was how little it smelt; it just goes to show that commercial bleach contains a significant amount of chlorine back in the day I used to work for a company that manufactured domestic bleach, and an awful lot of R&D time was spent in finding ways to slow down its inevitable decomposition into chloride and chlorine - the best way was to keep it at as high a pH as was reasonably possible

    • @philouzlouis2042
      @philouzlouis2042 4 місяці тому

      Nice indeed, I'm glad that I can make many things including Cl2, bleach, solid Cl-NH-CO-NH-Cl, chlorate, perchlorate, hydrazine and now hydroxylamine; maybe some H2N-Cl, HNCl2 and a little NCl3. I even make solid (-CH2-NCl-)3. I can make conc HNO3 and probably dilluted HClO4 from bleach. This is very useful to isolate and identify (just like the hydrazine brother) condensation solids of ketons or aldehyds that have defined melting points. I also have access to trichloroisocyanuric ring (-NCl-CO-) and Na dichloroisocyanurate. PHZ (PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum)

    • @philouzlouis2042
      @philouzlouis2042 4 місяці тому

      @@yorkshirechemist The "smell" of chlorine or of bleach doesn't come directly from Cl2 or OCl(-), but from the dissolution of Cl2 into the moisture of the nostrils and reaction with NH into peptides (from proteins inside the inner skin of the nostrils); so the smell of pool water occurs because you sweat (same as pee) and your body flesh, mucus, or skin is entirely protein based. My cat is crazy of the smell after the wash with bleach of his pee-bucket (probably urea of a carnivorous feline is very rich at amino acids and decayed peptides or urea that turn into N-halogenated compounds reminiscent of H2N-Cl or R-NHCl or (R-)2NCl. It is as if I just put cat-nip (valeriane) in it. PHZ (PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum)

  • @DaierLemmer
    @DaierLemmer 5 місяців тому

    What a find, boy oh boy!

  • @newuser871
    @newuser871 5 місяців тому

    In my opinion you used too much mgso4 at the drying process and without a vacuum filter it holds very large quantities of your product, maybe it can be one of the reason of poor yield.

  • @qxnt4162
    @qxnt4162 5 місяців тому

    What a coincidence. Today i was going through this mechanism for my oc class, because i have to hold a presentation about it tomorrow. Great video!

  • @Patrisumbro
    @Patrisumbro 5 місяців тому

    Another great video, love your stuff as a bench chemist.