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Needs were from Atmora actually! 5:54 I'll go look for my source g, love the video non the less brother I can't find the source but my understanding of it was that the nedes came to tameriel when Atmora was lush and fetril as prisoners and 3rd/4th sons of noble houses looking for new land and adventure.

I just stumbled upon your video. I've been wanting to run a Kenshi campaign for my group but haven't found an RPG system I'm happy with. This is exactly what I wanted. Fantastic work. I'd love to see an update.

Maormer were originally a group of Aldmer following the Aldmeri dissident King Orgnum, they were all banished from Old Aldmeris and settled on Pyandonea. They’re rivals of the Altmer and lay claim to the Summerset Isles Edit: the Maormer actually believe they’re the most pure strain of Aldmer and not the High Elves. Now, even though the Altmer are my favourite race, I’m leaning toward believing this because Maormer are by far the most isolationist in terms of not mingling with other races of Nirn. The Altmer are fairly isolationist but even so, other races exist on Summerset and Altmer travel all over Tamriel. Perhaps the most conservative Altmer families may have pure bloodlines, but your average Altmer probably has some human genes as well

Cool breakdown. I think besides the mysteries from the dawn era, I'd like to know what the heck the Argonians really are.

TY!

what of our little blue friends from the Dragonborn DLC

Tang mo?

I've gotta chime in (it's an understatement, I committed quite a wall'o'text there), because TES was the first lore I got into. Mostly a lot of corrections. 1:40 It's explained rather clearly that both Bosmer and Khajiit were original one people capable of shapeshifting, but otherwise formless. In the Khajiit mythology Azura took away those who wanted to be separate and turned them into Khajiit. Those that remained were turned into Bosmer by Y'ffre an Ehlnofey that is said to have created the laws of nature on Nirn. In the Bosmer mythology they were more like the "leftovers" of Ehlnofey that'd take shape, but failed to do so and thus Y'ffre had to intervene, which would mean Bosmer siblings to Aldmer, not their descendants. 2:56 It's "K". Like kay-mer. It's basically "chimera" without the "a" at the end. That much was stated by Kirkbride and later used as such in ESO. 3:10 Dwemer origins are largely unknown, but the things we know would suggest they may have descended directly from Ehlnofey instead of Aldmer (as they managed to arrive to Resdayn long before Chimer, but otherwise have settled in all the would-be northern provinces of Tamriel), which wouldn't be surprising, because Yokudans have also directly descended from Ehlnofey, but I guess we'll get there. 3:14 Funny enough Sinistral Elves may have no actually existed as a separate race and were, instead, Ayleids who were the first ones to create an empire on Tamriel and that they knew and traded with Yokuda, while what little we know of Sinistral Elves from Yokuda is that they... had an empire on the continent, were experts at processing gems, questionable legal standing on pets and livestock and used "gypsum alabaster" in their constructions, which sounds oddly specific to what you'd learn of Ayleids in Oblivion, for example. 6:20 And there we go. The basic history of the world is that the et'Ada that descended on Nirn, but didn't become the "Earth Bones" settled on it instead and as they did, they shed their spiritual bodies, assuming physical ones that best suited the environment they found themselves in (or more specifically some Ehlnofey came to Nirn in bulk, while others were scattered, the former became Mer and the latter, wanderers, became Men). This lead to the creation of Aldmer and possibly Dwemer and Bosmer for mer and Yokudans, Nedes and Atmorans for men, with Nedes not necessarily being a monolith group as they were spread out across most of the continent and consisted of a multitude of tribes. 7:00 And this leads us here. Kothringi were men who lived in Black Marsh, a very, very different and hostile environment to the rest of the continent, so it's more than likely for them to be direct descendants of the Ehlnofey instead of being an offshoot of Nedes. Also Aylieds have enslaved "Kothri" people along with Nedes and a plethora of other tribes, so, no Kothringi are as ancient as Nedes at least. 8:25 Correction. The Hist aren't Ehlnofey. They are fellow survivors of the previous cycle (in short there were 12 planets, but they got destroyed by Padomay and Mundus/Nirn was put together from the pieces) and quite literally migrated to Nirn on a chunk of their original planet. If you were to place them anywhere, they'd be siblings of Ehlnofey, if not outright et'Ada like Aedra or Daedra. Most of that rock has actually been destroyed by Ehlnofey and what remained became Black Marsh. 9:30 Here... well, there's not much we know about Akavir, except that Tsaesci were about as different from Nedes/Atmorans as Maomer were from Altmer, which is to say, not really though in most cases the differences were obvious. At any rate, there were humans on Akavir and they were either Tsaesci from the beginning or they were assimilated (and outbred?) by Tsaesci. Also you omitted other Akaviri races: Kamal (dubbed "snow demons"), Ka Po'Tun (dubbed "tiger-dragons", who were catfolk like Khajiit though how similar is unknown and who in very rare cases could become dragons) and Tang Mo (monkeys... just monkeys apparently). 10:15 Even less is known about Sloads, but looking at what we know there's a pretty good chance that Sload are also survivors of the previous cycle, though likely from a planet different than the one the Hist came from. Point being they got to Summerset Isles before Aldmer did and they are "too foreign", just like the Hist, to everything that took shape on Nirn afterward. And no, they can't really be Daedric in origin, since the entire shtick of Daedra is that they don't "create", they "change" and Sloads, once again, seem too foreign to be merely a product of change. Some follow Daedra, but it seems to be more of a business contract rather than a religious thing. 12:15 Actually that's completely incorrect. Kothringi were directly named all the way back in the first edition of the Pocket Guide to the Empire which came with TES: Redguard (which was made before TES3: Morrowind), where it's stated they've been wiped out by the Knahaten Flu in the Second Era. The only thing ESO changed about it, is that a small group of Kothringi managed to survive the plague and lived for at least a few more decades... on a ghost ship, it's basically a rumor type of thing that only one character mentions.

never heard of half of these

reachmen are not bretons. they are like cousins to the bretons. they have a much higher share of nedic and nordic blood in them. the norrmen are bretons.

Great video!

Cool! I agree with placing the Khajiit with the mer people. I think I read somewhere that they came from the Bosmer or some other forest-dwelling elves, blessed by Azura hence their religion. Awesome vid~

BUT MUH SEA ELVES

You should do one on the other races of Nirn

A small part of me believes that the pure Falmer are still around albeit in a smaller capacity, scattered and hidden in mountain ranges nobody else can reach. Like elven yetis.

This is actually very interesting, I always heard things like giants and nords being related and what not but I’ve never seen anyone draw it all out. Keep doing stuff like this 👍

You're missing some races like Giants, some Sload relatives, and other beast men but this is a Wonderful video :]

We need more akavir in general

I have to disagree with Khajiit and Bosmer place here In my mind, they have a branch of their own, splitting off from Ehlnofey They were the spirits that couldn't decide on a form, or skin-ideology Part of them made the pact with Y'ffre, and part were given forms/furstocks by Azura This similarity in fluent physiology and the geographical proximity are the reasons Also, Ohme and Ohme-raht being somewhat hard to distinguish from Bosmer or sometimes Men is another clue Now, Dwemer(not sure) and Sinistral Mer(even less sure) could be another separate catogory/ies, seeing how their views and philosophies are so different from everyone else: "While many stages of death exist, in the final after there is nothing. Knowing this makes our people strong." for the Lefthanders and "negalithic refusatronic world-navel-gazinism" for Dwarves So yeah, I don't think Khajiit, Bosmer and Dwemer were part of Aldmeris, and so are in their own branches, even if they look like elves on the surface

Awesome video! One small detail I would add is that I seem to recall that the redguards and yokudans are not actually descended from the original men of this timeline, and instead are the survivors of a different Kalpa cycle that came into nirn after their world ended :) Redguards are one of my favorite tamrielic races for this reason and it deserves to be mentioned more lol

Nice

My notes: - I'm convinced that the Altmer pretty much might as well be the Aldmer. As were the Chimer, they were kinda just a political designation. - NEEEEDES! THE NEDES ARE REEEEEAL! Ok, more seriously, the Nedes were a specific people on Tamriel (see The Song of Pelinal) before it's scholars turned the name into a blanket term for all of it's natives. Presumably the people the Bretons derive from looked... well, like Bretons, mostly. - There is a group in ESO up in Morrowind I'm currently forgetting the name of which seems to be a pre-Atmoran group of Nords, practically. They did start out in Tamriel and go to Atmora before coming back, near as I can tell.

With the art of the Kothringi I always assumed the were a dunmer-man hybrid, likely with the bretons.

Most of Yokuda sank into the sea, but parts of it still exist. Trade with Yokuda is common as of the late 3rd Era. I'm not sure if the inhabitants consider themselves Yokudans or are also diverged into Redguards.

The Nedes of what would become Cyrodiil were split between the Nibenese and Colovian sub-cultures. The Atmorans did not invade Cyrodiil. Not like they did with Skyrim. While Nords and Cyrodiilic peoples did interbreed, it was relatively minimal. Even during the 3rd Era the originally Nord Septim dynasty very quickly converted to being culturally and even genetically Cyrodiilic. The Imperial human race is basically the people of Cyrodiil a bit past the formation of the First Empire. Had it not been for Pelinal Whitestrake and later the Alessian Order, the Imperial race would've been a lot more like the Bretons of High Rock. The Nedic Colovians and Nibenese would've interbred with the kinder Ayleids who worshipped the Aedra and opposed the Daedra worshipping Ayleids who wanted to keep the Nedes enslaved. But a lot of the Aedra worshipping Ayleids were accidentally cut down by Pelinal Whitestrake and those that remained were destroyed by the Alessian Order. Along with any Imperial-Ayleid Bretons that had been born.

A little thing about the Bretons. There's multiple kinds of Bretons. The Bretons of High Rock seem to have been Nedes interbred with Direnni Altmer, but there's also Reachmen who are of vague elven-human lineage, a mysterious race of man-mer Ysgramor's companions briefly witnessed in Skyrim who were likely part Nede part Falmer, and then any child born from an elf and a human is also, by definition, a Breton. Breton being an Ehlnofey word roughly translating to "half." As in half breed when used to describe the people known as Bretons. The Kothringi could be a Breton race. Their odd skin pigmentation is a very elven trait.

I think if this family tree were from the top down rather than left to right it would be much more accessible.

what about the Lilmothiit?

Pretty solid video overall. I think it would’ve been good to include aedra, and mention the staying/wandering ehlnofey split descending into elves and men respectively.

I like the idea of the hist and the argonians being of dedric origins rather then ehlnofay. After all they do have a similar riencarnation systems to one another.

I thought the Sinistra were left over from a previous Kapla cycle? That is, there was something inverted about them, which is where the name Sisistra (IIRC aka Left Handed Elves) comes from, no?

I think the Dwemer diverged from the other elves before the Aldmer as we know it were even a thing. No concrete description of their origins has ever been given, and Baladas (one of the top Dwemer experts in Morrowind) claimed they were around to see the death of the Ehlnofey during the Dawn Era. Another complicated thing is that in Nord folklore Giants are the ancestors of Nords, and there's that one cut Oblivion quest of that guy who believed he was related to Ogres that had a family tree that depicted both humans and Ogres descending from Giants. The PGE1 also refers to the Ehlnofey as giants, so there is the theory that Giants are essentially the "missing link" between the human races and the Ehlnofey.

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The men and mer are definitely the only valid categories, based on their perspective of Lorkhan. That does beg the question of what on earth the Argonians are doing just hanging out.

well there's literally no evidence of dwemer, falmer and kanuryai being of aldmer descend, there's no mentions of time or causes of the supposed departure of those races from either Summerset or Aldmeris(which is totally not a fluke), unlike those of "aldmerics"(it's interesting with bosmer and wood orcs and Aldmeris not being a fluke again). The only lore entry about some of them being connected is a book on dwemer law which claims, evidencelessly of course, that dwemer laws were based on aldmer law

very interesting and informative thanks

Do you have any future plans to diverge from 5e and towards a more TES style game? Mostly in regards to the Magic system

Quality content, i NEED genealogical records of my fantasy series or else it's bad fantasy!

This system is somehow even more reductionist than skyrim. Like don't get me wrong, I adore the gamified deity system, the races are well represented with what 5e allows us to do with them. But somehow I feel like you took all the Elder Scrolls magic wind out of the sails, birthsigns become redundant right after character creation, might be the way you present it or sth else but it just feels...boring. Or it might just be me, I dm 5e for minmaxer but never cared for an elder scrolls meta, just played it for it's uniqueness.

Weren't the Kothringi wiped out by an artificial plague made by the Sload? It's been some time since TES lore was my totally non-autistic special interest.

I agree with you about the beastmen not really being a valid category to group the peoples with more animal-like appearances by but I do think it would have been worth mentioning more of them such as the Igma, Lilmothiit, Minotaurs, and Lamias. Another potentially interesting thing would have been to add other peoples generally seen as more monstrous such as the goblins, rieklings, ogres, and giants and how they potentially relate to each other and either the humans or elves. I think you could also add the Reachmen as an offshoot of the Bretons since they are culturally, religiously, and territorially distinct and have intermixed to varying degrees with redguards, orsimer, and even nords.

UA-cam recommendations did me good with this one, good video!

Appreciate this breakdown! Knew most of these but never had it visualized this well

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in redguard which takes place during the end of the second era you can meet 2 yokudans and in oblivion you can hear about ships that still sail to yokuda so maybe by the time of skyrim the yokudans are still around but they might be gone in tamriel

Great video but I think you could’ve mentioned the Padomaic vs Anuuic dichotomy. In other words, the cosmological context that the races find themselves in. Proto-Men being servants of the missing god Lorkhan, diluted ehlnofay souls made into mortal form because of their embracing of Nirn instead of Auriel and the other ehlnofay who became the ancestors of the Aldmer and rejected the mortal nature of Nirn. Genealogical analysis of ES races is incomplete without a Cosmological analysis of ES races

considering how some types of khajiit look remarkably similar to bosmer [the ohmes]. it makes a lot of sense that they would be mer

well put together brother

I agree with the only other comment (so far hopefully). Glad that I found this little vid!

this video deserves a lot more attention