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I think decks without powerful ways to finish the game are much tougher to pilot when other decks have such easy access to on game plan out of hand damage. This is probably why decks like this get rated lower overall in the community

@@BurnOneSVE I don't feel the wincon problem others have with Machina Haven. Board wiping until the opponent stops moving is a pretty decent wincon and the back breaking board Aether is able to belt out with Father Refinement are pretty sick too. Dark Jeanne has also never been better since so many followers have 3 defense meaning she can come in, turn your leftover Marcottes, Nuns, and Falcons into beaters, and spike the opponent for 4 damage while clearing a 6 defense follower in the process. It really does feel like barely anyone has actually bothered to play Machina Haven and are going by what people said about how it did in JP. The usual doom and gloom where a couple of people say Haven is literally always bad in JP when it ends up being consistently strong in EN if a bit unexplored.

I'm always torn between who I think is favored in the match up. I'm kind of leaning like a 55-45 match up on Natura Sword's favor, but honestly it's really close to a 50-50 imo in either directions

@ I might just be a cut above the rest then or I still haven’t fought a crazy sword player I never felt pressure and I fought that the most at BCS Philly

its always fun when they leave a 14 atk Maisha or a 7-10 atk Mistolina on the board then i blow it up next turn with a soul dealer or a Kahwy + Soul Conversion.

@ it feels so good 😮‍💨❣️

@@midwestchief8968 Natura Sword has the highest potential for sure but it feels like people aren't piloting it very well.

Thanks, will do!

@@geek593 i had awkward situations where I wanted the technolord effect and couldnt get enough machina because jeanne was screwing me lol. I think jeanne is completely fine and a good choice especially if you play Wilbert stuff imo. I also read draw 2 and it makes me go feral though lmao.

Oh wait Marlone is the 3 drop not the draw 2 guy Opps.

@@BurnOneSVE Yeah Marlone doesn't contribute to Machina count so it was a somewhat lateral move from a Dragon Warrior to a board wipe. The 2 defense buff from Jeanne also came up in testing since it can sometimes make your board tricky to deal with allowing them to get a few more hits in. If the format weren't so Mono heavy I'd probably stick with Marlone though.

@@geek593 i can totally see that. I'll have to test it out for sure. I'll make some changes ti my list and bring it to locals. Luckily I'll be bringing my camera set up now to locals to start recording matches there. So hopefully get some good matches with it to post up and talk about it post game.

@@Atelier951 yeah, the multiplayer formsts in all card games feel that way. Playing with friends and just memeing it up and playing politics while having a drink is a ton of fun! Im also on the fable is broken train but it will be interested if they decide to try and make this format more of a real format than a just for fun thing. It will probably have a silly ban list for sure though lmao.

@@IrrelevantJohn you just need a total of 7 of either spells or omyoji cards. So you could have 3 spells and 4 omyoji followers in grave and it will activate that effect.

It's mostly Forte if you're looking for that swing burst damage similar to what Oguri can give you. I prefer oguri since the potential output is much higher but both will give you about the same results.

@@BurnOneSVE fantastic thank you

I haven't hardcore tested other versions. I like how on game plan all of the cards are in this deck. I think the maisha package is fine in basically any natura deck if you feel like it. I haven't tested with Yui and I probably wont really revisit this deck much during this meta other than to play at locals. Did you have a list you like better in mind? I wouldn't mind trying it out at locals sometime soon.

@@Losvirgos6980 the next video tomorrow is dragon craft haha! Look forward to it. I already uploaded it and set it to release tomorrow morning!

@BurnOneSVE Yeiii

Your first point is one of the reasons I think the deck has a bit of a lower floor than the other tier 1 decks. You have to see Ladica and send them packing usually by turn 6 latest imo. For the 2nd point, I feel like I have way more control of the board especially if they go a bit wide. Send them packing and ladica turns feel so strong. For point 3 I haven't had a ton of mstch ups other than into control abyss so far and it felt pretty solid until they start hitting multiple israfils. A lot of these things you're having trouble with I'm not sure I'd be able to comment much without seeing some matches of you on it. I think each thing you bring up are real concerns but I do believe you might be low rolling some of your games which also feeds into the issue with board control situations. The only thing I would highly recommend is possibly not pushing your trees up early because they sre there to combo for you. Ladica and the 2 drop tree heavily help you to enable easily hitting combo 5. The deck definitely is not easy to get used to and I think minor mistakes can head to late game isssues if you get to 9 or more turns. If you have match videos I could review I'd totally do it. Idk if my insight might be helpful but I think it would be fun!

Yeah, games go well if I see the combo before turn 5/6 but I've had several games where i had one combo piece and that felt winnable if I drew into the other but after burning through trees and not seeing it, it becomes a loss. The worst hands to draw into turn one are the ones where you see two of the same combo pieces that you know you can't keep- keeping it means you've got 2 duds in hand unless you see the other combo piece and mulligan'ing means there's only 1 left somewhere in the middle of your deck.. So maybe it is bad rng. Haven't played too much against mono abyss so I can't say for certain, but they are able to establish wide boards turns 4/5 that feel incredibly dependent on having the combo to answer them. The only ping that this deck has is the blossom spirit, so standing machina followers are pretty hard to get rid of. None of the other early cards are removal and I'm relying on my defensively statted minions to trade into their reserved ones. Combined with abyss's removal, that's why I don't have a board to proc the setus on turn 5. Natura sword is slower, only getting one unit out a turn, but has very strong tempo turns 3-7. Blossom spirit (again) is the main way to deal with bayleon. The ancient elf greatly swings the early game in my favor, but like the mono matchup, I don't have a lot of other removal/trade options. So I'm usually trading my units into theirs to avoid eating too much early face damage. If I had recording equipment, I'd totally take you up on your generous offer, but sadly I don't. I will be at BCS Philly for both days so if you're going to be there day 1, maybe we can practice for day 2 if you have the time to spare.

@@BurnOneSVE Just wanted to follow up after playtesting ladica forest several more times today against variety of decks. Did pretty well against d-shift kuon, straight up lost against control abyss, went even against fairies, and didn't poorly against sword. I felt like I was doing well controlling the board against sword until turn 6 where if I didn't see the Ladica combo, the game was just over because my board was mostly empty and their board had a few units. I mulligan'ed hard for colorful cook, ancient elf, and treant, held my blossom spirit to ping bayleon, but by turn 6 i had nothing to answer their mistolina (had ladica, primordial giant, pathfinder, and hermit in hand and 4 trees in EX. they had a lupin axeman, 2 trees, and desert pathfinder on the field, and a tree and mistolina in the EX). Are games against tempo decks (like fairy) simply unwinnable if you don't see the combo? I think that's the main problem I'm running into with this deck. I'm playing like I will drawing into the other combo piece but it never comes even after going through multiple trees. And forest doesn't have any reliable search tools outside of desert pathfinder. So my question to you is: should I be playing more conservatively and assume I won't be seeing the combo?

@@Atelier951 when I play the deck I play it pretty conservative to maximizemy resources since if you dont see trails and deserts you can fall behind. Some match up you just need the combo on time or it becomes very hard to win them. Personally I think natura sword is bdif but i feel this deck puts up a good fight. I'm planning to record some of the match videos for this format in Japan and talk about them some. Hopefully hitting a lot of forest match ups to see more clean play with the deck. When you play too how often are you swinging with your 1 drop guys and stuff? It's weird but a lot of the time I'll happily pass turn without swinging if I think they cant answer the card if it's reserved. Sometimes you just need the extea swing later to clear something else and not trade it in for early damage. I'm trying to make it to PA this weekend and if I'm able to make it we can meet up and get some games in the night before but it's a 50/50 on if I'm making it now.

@@BurnOneSVE I def agree with needing to see the starters early and the combo pieces on time to win against those matchups, but it's really a struggle when you can't. Those matches are the most frustrating because no matter how well you handle the early game, you don't have the resources afterwards. Like I can turn 6 ladica storm for 6, but I don't think it's a good play if the opponent is keeping their board (especially when sword has mistolina to deal 6 for free). I'd love to see some of your recorded matches, especially ones where you're not able to have the combo pieces by turn 5/6. If I have a cook on 1, I'm usually swinging in with her turn 2 for that 1 chip dmg. I usually want my opponent to hit into cook so I can dig. I don't value very cook very much b/c she doesn't trade favorably into anything with her defensive stat line. Hermit I usually leave reserved, as his recursion potential usually demands an answer (which does happen most the time). Is it even a good idea to play him on 1 to get a tree in the ex? May I ask how you usually play your 2 drops? I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be dropping avatar and treeant on turns 2-3 just to have a body on board. I like treeant b/c he can usually heal a bit, kill a tree, and trade into other 1-2 drops, but losing the tree killing ability hurts later on. Avatar on 3 threatens a turn 4 ladica, but so many decks have 1 cost spells or evolve pings that deal with him. And lastly desert pathfinder- I never play him if I can't proc his ability since he's the few pseudo-search tools this deck has, but if I have no other turn 2 play (IE no 1 drops/bounces), is it worth it just to get a tree? And last question- does this deck want to go first or second? I've been choosing to go first against all matchups whenever I can because I want to out tempo my opponent, but in the cases where I go second, I feel my combos go off a lot smoother b/c I don't have to save an PP for the ladica evo. I hope you can make it to BCS, those mono evo points look very cute! What would be the best way to know if you can make it?

Yeah much better than one I saw earlier

@@danhtran5088 dont spill the secret

@@geek593 really good points for the dirt deck!

@@Atelier951 she's such a generic good card. Cant wait to stop seeing her though.

@@AeneaInfina I like the fact it can provide a deck shuffle too when you have to mull a bad hand but want those cards later.

@@houdini5785 was that you? Really cool to hear and thanks for commenting. I personally liked alchemic lore for a cheaper board wipe in my own list and itnworked out well vs those aggro match ups.

I bought my Kuons the day BP06 released, they were only about 15$ each and then after a week or two they became at least 25. Where were you buying from where they were 20-30 on release and 12 later? I buy from TCGplayer.

Depends on the card’s performance/hype from JP.

@@NovaStarlyght TCGplayer. There were maybe 3 sellers that had them at 15 and those lasted maybe a few hours. They were 20-30 for a week or 2. And immediately dropped to 10-12$ after.

@@AshKetchumPokemon there has not been a card previously or in this current set that has more hype then kuon. And kuon actually stays good up to about set 10. Where as natura is mid and falls off when set 8 releases. Which is in only 2 months cause they are shitting this game out for no reason. Hence the decline. Can't be power creeping every two months and maintain a healthy game balance. Most people can't even get all the cards before the next set already comes out. Leads to people skipping over whole sets. Like everyone is doing with Idol. 🤷

@ When BP03 released I also bought Alice for around 12 or 13 on release day, and she also went up to at least 20 the following week. So I really don’t know, I guess it depends on the card? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯