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I feel like it’s definitely a demon because I set the intention that I’m getting clean from this stuff and start mentally preparing myself for it and trying to taper and the addiction seems to get super intense. I know I need WILLPOWER. but the tapering thing just doesn’t work for me. I might need to go into a rehab or something

good for you man. i remember watching you when i was on, I quit awhile ago and just seen your channel pop up again and so glad you also got off it

Going cold turkey been in hell for 5 days but I know I will get through fuck kratom

Thankyou for the info

See. I wasn't able to press no button. I would've thought I pressed the button with my mind. You are very talented!

😂😂😂😂 They gave me 600mg for my first. I got very nervous and did NOT take that much. I cut into less than half and it still was too much. Within 3 minutes I couldnt sit up. I struggled BAD to keep it in my mouth for the remainder of time. I kield over and my face was inside of the cup. As a matter of fact, I thought my face WAS the cup. My cousin bless her heart had NO idea what to do...I was looking in her direction expecting her to simply GRAB the cup...? Obviously. She didn't comprehend that all I could hear were echos...I was speaking to her through telepathy lmao and she wasn't getting the message.

The Intention part is a bit frustrating and overwhelming for me. When I focus so much on intention I don't allow myself to let go. When you struggle with MDD -The type where you become dysfunctional, it is very difficult to get to that positive state in the first place. The whole reason is because you struggle to GET your mind in a positive place REGARDLESS of what you do. Therefore it makes no sense logically. The whole preparation is too much for me and it makes me go over the edge. Its one thing to do something after like EFT but before -No. Again, when you've been through repeat life changing experiences that cause your body to be in a fight or flight state it is CRITICAL to feel relief to get OUT of that. If i were able to easily just say "Hey im going to think good thoughts! I wouldn't be here. I don't need that pressure placed on me to get to a place that im trying to get through the treatment itself.

Been taking 50-80g a day for 3 years before knee replacement and unable to stop after due to 1. It’s habit 2. I’m an addict 3. I’m addicted to it 4. I have chronic pain and it helps. I wake up in withdrawal. I only sleep 4 hours a day after getting sober 10 years ago. I was taking. Full tsp several times a day for 3-4 years. 2 months ago I cut the dose in half to 1/2 a tsp. Although sometimes I still drop a whole tsp. Anything less than 1/2 tsp seems pointless but I want off this shit! L-Tyrosine helps withdrawl Charcoal caps do too. I’ve got both in my cupboard ready to go. I gym and sauna 4-6 days a week so I’ve got sauna and steam. I’ve got Xanax which I plan on using. Anhedonia scares the hell outta me. I’ve had suicidal thoughts and feelings with a few attempts since I was 9. I’m 54 now. I’m so numb tho. I take adderall too. I hate that too. I’m screwed when I’m cleaning and screwed using “legal” drugs. F**k! I hate this. I’m almost out of kratom now. Ima try to give it a shot and get off at least that.

Just treat kratom as an opiate!

Two weeks off Keaton was on it for majority past ten years was spending around 40 dollars a day. Probably one the best decisions I've ever made..was taking 13 grams per dose four to five times a day..Keaton kills libido and emotions.. withdrawals are not that bad tbh you'll have some anxiety little insomnia for few days but if u sit around and say u feel crappy well that makes withdrawals ten times worse

Thank you so much, I'm around day 19 now, and am just lately going through this! it's like every other hour or so I just get these random thoughts of getting a soda or something with sugar to fill this "craving" I never had this feeling before

Was the restless body a multiple day thing for you? That's my biggest concern.

I'm on 4-6 MIT45 black shots daily. It's been probably 3 days of daily use like this. After about 14 hours cold turkey, my body twitches uncontrollable. It will wake me up, keep me awake, and prevent me from doing ANYTHING. I think I'm gonna have to taper down a lot before I can just stop. I would love to be able to quit without feeling the withdrawal. (You JUST mentioned 12 hours after, as I typed this. I don't get sick out the back so far, but that RLS you're talking about goes through my entire body. It's such a terribly distracting and awful feeling. I HAD to make minor movements, I didn't move them constantly, but I had to keep doing minor movements. What helped with my hands was to put them underneath me, on my back or stomach, lay on the hands.) Its good to know I don't have a level of withdrawal that most don't go through, but until now (I guess I hit the right search phrase?) I could not find anything about kratom withdrawal beyond people saying they lacked motivation in their daily life for about 3 days. I do feel like that this need to make myself do things will be good for me in the long run. Kratom was very motivating in the start, I got SO much done daily. Now I don't do shit, and do even less on low daily doses. Those MIT shots are 15 bucks a piece. I did the yearly math. The amount of money I'm working my ass off to get, just to flush down the drain, is INSANE. I've got a career in HVAC and have had it for 10 years now. I'm living like a part time mcdonalds cashier (no offense if thats what youre doing, what im trying to say is my personal decisions are holding me back. there is nothing wrong with any tier of work, as long as you are working you are winning.)

Been off 6 days high blood pressure. Normal?

I can’t stop doing kratom. I hate my life. I’m getting seriously depressed. It’s scaring me

Thanks for your kind words, your work! Stay Strong Folks. Recently tapering down, after 2 1/2 Years of nearly daily consumption. The only “mistake” I noticed. You said kratom and opioids. Did you mean kratom and other opioids? Because the active ingredient that makes us so crazy about kratom. The reduction of which makes us crazy. Is an opioid. Kratom is an opioid. You can't talk yourself into it!

Bro you can’t stop that shyt yourself for more then a week how would you help ?

Are your old episodes still to be found anywhere? I understand your channel on UA-cam has been taken down but did you share your episodes elsewhere?

Why is it a different withdrawal than others....pain pills.other drugs are exactly the same withdrawal....some.say no withdrawals some.say horrible ?????

Been taking 3 to 4 little opms gold bottles daily for 3 years. Tapering down currently, only 3 or 4 little sips a day, basically 1 bottle. Tomorrow going to 2 sips for a few days then one sip at night for a couple days, think I'll be good. But yeah, it was great for awhile but it sent my anxiety up a couple times so bad I went to the ER. Shortness of breath, heart racing, panic attackish feelings. Doctor ran a bunch of test and basically said dude, get off the kratom your fine. So probably went through 25k of my hard earned money over the last 3 years on this what I know call poison, but it'll be over soon and guaranteed I'll never touch this crap again.

I tried extracts, tea, extracts again.. felt nothing, spent a lot of money on nothing.. I tried every fucking thing and still felt nothing, hell.. I even did my own extract, on some good kava.. I somewhat felt that but I was also drunk on wine I'll stick to other things

Thank you so much for sharing your experience, & giving ideas for what worked for you, when the withdrawal symptoms got rough. I’m currently about 18 hours into quitting Kratom cold turkey. I’ve been taking it for over 5 years & as a 5’3 125lbs woman, I’ve been taking dosages higher than dudes 3x my size. I don’t expect this to be a pleasant experience, & the worst is yet to come. But I can no longer ignore the negative affects on my health any longer. Maybe to hold myself accountable I can document my experience (even if it’s just for me) to remind myself (and to warn others), never to touch that stuff again. I’m aware that it can help people overcome much more dangerous addictions , but back when I was researching it, the only info I got was “it’s harmless, it’s related to the coffee plant, it’s like caffeine withdrawal!” What I didn’t know, is that it attaches to your opioid receptors & reacts extremely similarly to how opioids affect the brain. That means your withdrawal symptoms can be VERY similar, & for me they are extremely intense. I knew better than to ever play with opioids, so I tell anyone now thinking about trying this substance; maybe you will be fine, maybe you can use it recreationally & not become addicted, but if you happen to be one of the people who will become addicted (like myself), it’s absolute HELL trying to quit. It’s not just a “few bad days,” it can last up to MONTHS. It’s certainly not just simple “caffeine withdrawal” I’ve been told opioid withdrawals are more intense than this, I still wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. It’s not just physical, it’s mental & emotional as well. You feel numb & empty for weeks after. It messes with your brain chemistry & makes the world feel dull & lifeless without it. Better not to even chance it friend.

Doesn’t open the site 😢

Cold turkey of 80-100 grams per day for years was pure agony for over a month

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I've been using since 2019 I don't even remember what my normal state of mind was. It's terrifying.

I quit a 45 gpd habit and it was bad. I was at between 60 and 90 gpd for about 4 years but cut back before I quit. I had to stop workig for about 4 weeks and didn't clean at all the whole time. I didn't sleep for 6 days, I used weed to keep from losing my mind. The first 3 days I was just sweating and pooping the pooping lasted for about 6 weeks. It was really rough going through physical withdrawal but it took about 3 months to get my emotions in check and not feel depressed. I quit about 6 months ago and my brain isn't the same but I'm better and I will keep getting better

I used to think Kratom was a miracle drug. Got me off of severe alcohol abuse and helped with my chronic neck pain from an injury. Only a month into taking it, I didn’t bring it on a camping trip and had awful withdrawals. Now closing in on a year of moderate use and working hard to get off. 1 month into a taper and sleep is non-existent (1.3 gram doses don’t keep the withdrawals away). So tired of this. About to take a few days off work and just quit cold turkey rather than just prolonging this misery…

Exercise might suck at first but afterward you’ll thank yourself

Does anyone elses nose run like crazy in between doses?

Same, diahrrea , anxious, insomnia, uncomfortable in my own skin, a bit of a headcase. I tried to quit cold turkey but I will go back and taper

Im a kratom advocate but if dont want to take it, thats cool yo

Good video. You covered some very important stuff for anyone who is going through the transition of getting rid or slowing down the rate of kratom they take per day. I am also a heavy user and take extracts. I understood everything you just said very clearly

I started tapering yesterday. I will measure the days portion before i go to work. I seem to wrecklessly take it at work, taking extra servings after i had just taken one that i dont truly need. Going to use blue lotus and thc oil to help me relax at night and sleep. For me when i taper and quit . Week two is always the worst . The rls and fatique is terrible. Thanks for the encouraging testimony.

Hey Joey, I tried visiting your site and had no luck. How can I get in contact with you?

Black seed oil helps big time, research it. Great supplement, it's said it cures everything but death.

Anyone experiencing heart palpitations?

accidentally took a 50mg naltrexone the other day while down to about 10gpd kratom on my taper (i thought it was a headache pill...yes i am self-medicating my adhd with my addictions lol) ...hello WD my old friend 🤣 interestingly tho i researched while in my moment of desperation and found out that bupe has a higher binding affinity than naltrexone (crazy right?) so i took a bit of that which made me feel better from the precipitated wd. for anyone who accidentally throws themselves into PWD, it could be an option. i took too much and it made me feel high which made me appreciate how far i've come with kratom, even tho i've been on it a lot longer than i've intended in my recovery journey. i feel like anyone can quit relatively painlessly if you taper down low enough. the feeling of having my opiate receptors stripped bare for probably the first time in 10+ years was...jarring but not life-shattering so while the pwd was not fun while it lasted, and i definitely had a full-blown panic attack at the thought of going through WDs again (took the bupe after waking up from a benzo-induced sleep) it was nothing compared to wd from harder opiates. honestly thankful for my moment of absentmindedness bc it made me realize i can do this. kratom wd seems manageable and even more so with LDN on r/quittingkratom ppl are saying that LDN completely prevented their PAWS as well. and that you can do Ultra LDN while tapering, but we're talking dissolving a naltrexone in like a gallon of water so you're truly microdosing, talking micrograms here, and at very low kratom dosing per day. also megadosing vitamin c and taking supplements for paws (dopamine precursors like l tyrosine and phenylalinine) but i'm not sure if you need the dopamine precursors if you're doing LDN. definitely talked to one person who said they just did ULDN and LDN and completely avoided acutes and PAWS thanks for sharing your story and being a voice for change and inspiration. always good to hear there's hope. and i hope to be another success story like you

Feel that on the insomnia. I’m sensitive to over the counter medications. And nothings working for me, I think I’m going to get some at home Anastasia lol

What happened, did you give up on the channel?

I am 3 appointments into spravato. I have add, severe anhedonia and very poor energy/motivation. No improvement at all yet. I’m concerned I’m never going to have interest in anything. I am in therapy and take psych meds but they haven’t helped in years (if I lower my dose I worsen). I have tried every add medication at high dose but they don’t do much other than make me jittery. Lower doses are not effective. I understand that the majority of my symptoms are dopamine related. My psychiatrists have run out of ideas if ketamine does not help.

20g a day is alot

How do I get a hold of you?

I wonder if joey will ever pick kratom back up again for here and there or as a treat type of thing

I’m a daily kratom user for 5 years (for severe chronic pain) and have never used more than 12-14 grams of kratom in a 24 hour period. After reading the many comments from people using 40-70 grams a day and can’t quit…why the heck would they need to consume that much? 🤦🏻‍♀️

I don’t do it much but I have understood the withdrawal of it. Green not so bad at all but yellow and white are crazy. Like I said I don’t do it enough and always space it out to where I can control what will come my way. I think you are fantastic and praise God bro!

The sleep was horrible. I'd wake up every hour and have to drink every 3 hours. I lost the ability to complete consecutive sleep cycles. I'd always wake up by the end of each cycle. I was going through one of those 20oz bags in about a week, which is about 80g/day just like you. Currently I'm down to about 10-20g/day. I'm so proud I was able to go 12 hours without a dose and only woke up once in the night. It feels so good to be coming off the stuff.

You have a cool voice. You could do audiobooks.

The crazy sweating is what gets me I’ll be sitting in at and sweat running down my face I was at the barber shop and she said why are you so hot and I had to lie and say it was pre workout