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the bible promote male leadership as the norm throughout the ot and nt and up until the 20th century

Not again. Smh The first video was by far enough. All you did with that one and all you're likely to do with this series is just give more evidence to the truth of Mike's claims about how pathetic and empty the arguments from the Egalitarians are. And just how much Eisegesis reigns in the egalitarian camp.

Meanwhile, let’s call out the use of the ‘double speak’ term Complementarian. Patriarchy is anything but a celebration of male and female as complementary.

I hope your series takes a moment to address the matter of hermeneutical presuppositions. That's something that usually goes unaddressed, and IMO can affect whether it is even possible for one side to persuade the other.

You lost credibility when you said this is what Mike Winger is best known for. It was a significant study, but a fraction of what he covers.

And… if the church is the Bride of Christ, surely Christianity has a feminine feel, John Piper?

Thank you for this insightful video. It was particularly valuable to hear a woman’s perspective on complementarianism. It’s crucial to acknowledge that embracing this viewpoint often means partnering with the removal of certain rights from women based on their gender. Just as historical injustices like slavery were supported by misinterpretations of biblical texts, we must speak out against any ideology that diminishes the inherent value of another human being. The image of God in every individual is non-negotiable. If someone holds an egalitarian view, we should not suggest they put themselves under oppression unless led by God, as it can diminish their divine calling and assignment on this earth. However, I appreciate the position of Michael Bird! Unity and diversity within our Christian circles and across denominations is essential! Thank you both again!

Mike represents exactly what is wrong with many so-called christians. They only listen to what they are taught, and read that into what the Bible says. Sola Scriptura has been abandoned, it is now Sola Pastora.

One thing Id push back on is the implication that his most popular videos on this topic. Although these are popular, they arent his most popular things. This isnt his bread and butter, he just wanted to do a detailed study, and it got attention.

May God bless you, Michael

Paul is the false apostle of Revelation 2:2. I'll give anyone $10K to name his so called companions/witnesses on the road to Damascus. People , follow Christ and not the False apostle Paul. Matthew 18:16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’. I can't believe how blind, deaf and dumb so Christian teachers are.... $10,000 dollars... prove me wrong or read Jesus's Words only, apply , Jesus's words only...

If someone is a true Calvinist, should be the happiest person in the world.

I don’t think Mike Winger would disagree with your closing statement, other than to point out that pastoral ministry/the role of elder is not discussed as a gift of the spirit. Mike Winger is in favor of women teachers and provides several strong biblical arguments for that, including the fact that we have women deacons and examples of women teaching ministers in the NT. I look forward to seeing your future videos on this topic, and I invite you not to phrase things in a way that makes viewers assume untrue things about Mike Winger’s beliefs.

Even if a denomination takes 1 Timothy 2 as literally applicable today, the prime consideration for Paul seems to be not transgressing male headship within a marriage (the Adam/Eve example). What then about pastoral duties for single women who forego marriage?

I just found your channel. I am looking forward to this discussion. A friend recently shared with me a lecture given by Gordon Fee in 1990 on these very verses in 1 Timothy: Fee, Gordon, “Issues in Evangelical Hermeneutics, PartIII: The Great Watershed- Intentionality & Particularity/ Eternality: 1 Timothy 2:8-15 as a Test Case”, CRUX : December 1990/ Vol. XXVI, No. 4.

Anyone who has studied the differences between men and women know that men are more impactful. About 2% of the men and 1% of the women are what we would call natural born leaders. Take a look at the percentage of men and women in leadership roles in society and the percentage of men and women in the service industries. That has nothing to do with how smart or how educated they are. The role of pastor is a responsibility and not just a job. The pastor must lead the congregation in making disciples as Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:19, 20. That means he is to lead in teaching them to observe all Jesus commanded. That is done by instruction and demonstration. The pastor must also lead in raising up leaders according to 2 Timothy 2:2. If he does not lead in making disciples and raising up leaders then he has not learned or unwilling to delegate his authority and power. If does not do that hen he is qualified. Preaching is simply being a good orator. Making disciples and raising up leaders is the practical part of ministry. If the pastor does not teach and practice then he is not qualified. I think most are too focused on one thing and not what the pastor's responsibility actually is. We have a lot of people in the church who are listeners and not doers. James 1:22 says that people who are just hearers are deluding themselves. That opens a huge door for narcissists and those in 2 Timothy 3:1-5. So many want a good preacher but not an authentic man first. Over and over I keep hearing and reading that the one thing young people want most is an authentic pastor. An authentic pastor knows he has struggles and does not mask them. He is transparent and struggles with the people.

Looking forward to the series Dr. Bird😊👍

I am looking forward to this! I am a recent seminary graduate from a theologically conservative institution where most if not all, hold a complementation view.

Dear Dr. Bird. I’m a student (MDiv biblical languages) in a prominent southern Baptist seminary, and as I’m diving into topics like the new perspective on Paul (which I learned from you and NT Wright), I am realizing of many things that I was wrong about, especially in my reformed Baptist theology and ecclesiology. Congregationalism does not quite convince me, as I feel it’s producing thousands of “mini-castles” with their own overlords, the elders, and creating the opposite of a unified church body. My issue is that I also see issues with other models! What resources would you recommend to dive into these topics? My apologies if this is not the right channel…

I find it hard to grasp why somebody so immerse in history holds such a modern and unbiblical view such as egalitarian view.

Thanks Mike. I'm looking forward to the series. I have long since stopped using the labels "complementarian" and "egalitarian" as they are totally inadequate, to the point of being misleading and destructive. I believe that the difference between male and female is an essential God-given part of being human, with all the differences in temperament, parenting roles and relationships, etc. BUT... I also believe that women have always been in Christian leadership for the whole church. We are an eschatological people and our community should reflect the inaugurated age to come, even as we continue to live in this present age. So if I was forced to use a label for my position, it would have to be something like "inaugurated eschatologist". Do you think it'll catch on? 😂

Looking forward to the series!

I think both interpretations are both valid an actually fit together.Angelic apparitions lead to worship of that angel or the One who sent him. Post modern christiany in oz is still polarised by Angels.

Could women do a worse job than us of running the church 😂

Other than wishing there was a woman a part of this conversation this was great. The thing that stood out to me with Mike Winger’s videos was not even his arguments but his presentation and overall attitude toward others, mainly scholars or otherwise who disagreed with him. Advertising yourself as if you have unlocked the answers and had some spiritual revelation sounds more cultish than well researched. I think there is some decent scholarship out there supporting complementarianism but his was not it. He completely ignores huge works of scholarship and misconstrues them for his own argument’s benefit. I know this isn’t a valid argument in terms of biblical scholarship but I also can’t help but think about how convenient it is for men to be complementarian. I really hope Mike engages at some point, if not just for a wonderful discussion. Egalitarian all the way.

On your side, bro!

Just wanted to say that I have read some of your work and I am glad you are putting out content here on UA-cam. I am also glad that more people are engaging with Mike. He has such a huge following of people, many of which blindly follow him. Back when Mike put out his 12 hour 1 Timothy video I made a response and the comments I got....

Glad to hear you’ll be engaging with Mike Winger’s series. Hopefully at some point he responds or engages with the level of push back that has come his way (which he asked for in his series). As I think it would be of the benefit of many people since he has such a large online platform.

I found your channel when your discussion with Andrew Bartlett and Taryn Williams came up in my feed. Have been enjoying your other content as well. Thank you. Glad youtube found you for me.

Winger complementarianism is anything but complementary

Looking forward to your upcoming videos. I can think of no other belief in the Christian church that does greater harm to men, women and families than patriarchy/hierarchy. I won't call it complementarianism because it is not complementary. I have seen families destroyed and torn apart by these wrong beliefs. Thank you for speaking up and speaking out. Because people seem to trust Mike Winger implicitly, they trust what he says uncritically. He is wrong and a whole new generation is being led into harm's way. Arrrghhh. I just can't say strongly enough the pain this belief causes without writing a whole book here. So I will leave it at just praying your channel increases and your videos are watched thoughtfully and men and women and children are liberated from the evil bondage of placing men between God and women.

"Spiritual gifts do not come in pink or blue." Love that.

I look forward to your series, Mike! If I may add something to your closing remarks, I sense that complementarians interpret the pushback from egalitarians as a "fight for women's rights", iow, that our primary concern is the affect on individual women of not being able to exercise their leadership gifts. In reality, egalitarians are concerned about how barring women from participation affects the health of the Church.

Cool, looking forward to that!

An encouraging introductory tone.

This is the intro to a much longer video where I begin to engage with Mike Winger and his Complementarian view of women, the church, and ministry. Full video comes out next week! See the blog posts the video is based on here: michaelfbird.substack.com/p/engaging-mike-winger-on-complementarianism

100% yes

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You are offtopic protestant literalist, is not weird.

Isaiah 42:8 "I am the lord: that is my name: and my glory I will not give to another" Exodus 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before me" Isaiah 43:10 "Before me there was no god formed, and after me there shall be none"

I’m not an egalitarian BUT these things need to be talked about. I enjoyed this and would like to read these books. Women are treated as inferior or dangerous in many spaces - you don’t have to support female pastors to see that!

how is this trithiesm??? i don't understand, do you not believe the three persons of the trinity are not all co equal co eternal?

I appreciate the willingness to engage with Wingers work on this matter and I welcome the scholarly debate, but I have to say, I did not expect such arrogant belittlement from Christian scholars and I did not expect such blatant straw manning, partially putting words in wingers mouth

He was African too.

God knew us before the foundation of the world so we were not always flesh eternity was in existence when Satan decided to sat in the mercy seat and fail. We are flesh to be created in God's image we must be born from above first by water or woman and 2nd by spirt Adam was created a breathing soul Jesus is a quicking spirt he is the first image of God and he left us the holy spirit the gospel and the holy spirit is creating men in God's image revelations 12-17 those who have kept God's commandments and have the testimony of Jesus christ. They are the ones who know how to worship God in spirit and in truth

This was so valuable! I now know where to place Plotinus. Very clear explanation. We now need a neo-Platonist critique of Christianity. I read that Plotinus' disciple wrote one, but we lost the book. Must have lent it to a Christian who forgot to return it.

First, however, I must deal with the matter of Jesus, the so-called savior, who not long ago taught new doctrines and was thought to be a son of God. This savior, I shall attempt to show, deceived many and caused them to accept a form of belief harmful to the well-being of mankind. Taking its root in the lower classes, the religion continues to spread among the vulgar! Amen Lord Jesus justifying the ungodly!

So much false teaching going on now. The Didache is one. So what it’s ancient? Lots of gnostic garbage were written back in the day. Nothing new under the sun. Read the Scripture, folks. These are wolves in sheeps clothing.

I never knew you were a Calvinist. I’m not myself, I’m an Armenian, but we are still Christian Brothers. I enjoy your content and your writings. Thank you.

Here is the secret, it's all one church. It was up to the sinfulness and stupidity of man to divide it. First there was the schism of 451 with the Orientals and the Catholic Orthodox, then the Great Schism of 1054 which divided the church again, then the excommunication of Jan Huss, then the excommunication of Martin Luther and other reformers starting in 1520, then the Anglicans excommunicated John Wesley, you get the picture. If you follow Jesus, you are a part of Christ's Holy Catholic Apostolic church on Earth. But I would say that the Catholic church smwhich includes the Roman Catholics is the best one in my opinion.