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Christopher Hitchens & Tariq Ali Debate 2002 Washington
Christopher Hitchens & Tariq Ali Iraq War Debate on the War on Terror. April 17, 2002 at the ICC Auditorium of Georgetown University, Washington DC. Reposted from a previous (deleted) UA-cam video.
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Second part of the epic Semi-final between Stefan Edberg and Boris Becker at the 1989 French Open .
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The Zionist community must let go of its racism and supremacy. No one owes Israel or their civilization anything
9-11 was an inside job. And Israel was primarily to blame.
Hitchens was despicable in his cheerleading for the invasion of Iraq. Watch his debate with George Galloway who completely destroyed him. Hitchens was an opportunist in his attacks on Islam, he made Islamophobia acceptable among liberal elites.
2002!!!! STILL HAPPENING 2024!!!!! WHEN WILL IT END?????
Ici après avoir lu Rien ne s'oppose à la nuit, de Delphine de Vigan. Roman à la voix douce qui essaie de son mieux pour peindre sa mère et reconstituer celle qu'elle était. Aussi, une peinture des souffrances que l'on peut retrouver dans le cercle familial. A quel point ce qu'a subit sa mère à ses 16ans a pu déterminer les 45 autres années se sa vie...
"In the past states have not gone to war in response to acts of terror" WW1 started because of Austro-Hungary responding to a Serbian act of terror when the Black Hand assassinated Franz Ferdinand, what a numpty.
Hitchens was right. It’s a “pathological anti-Americanism” that drives people like Tariq Ali. The only victims they care about are the ones killed in wars waged by western powers. If the West can’t be blamed they sit on the fence like they did with Yugoslavia.
as an afghan i can tell you Tariqs analysis and predictions has always stood the test of time. His argument is that the US should stop creating terrorists rather than fighting them which was far more fundamental than Hitchens anti religious argument. with the rise of Boko Haram, ISIS and so on post iraq war one can admit Tariq was unfortunately right.
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Hitchens was really badly beaten here. TBH if this was a boxing match then Hitchen's corner would have thrown in the white towel. Hitchen's makes too many mistakes and one that keeps on appearing is Hitch thinks Tariq Ali is Muslim. He is not. He is an Aetheist
Hitchens made some great points about religion. Big deal though. It does not take much to point out the shortcomings of cults and outside of that arena Hitchens was an insufferably British smug dolt.
Trump and Biden BOTH said on the campaign trail that weed should be made legal at the Federal level, yet here we are; still not legal.
I miss Hitchens and have always enjoyed his wit and commentary. I must say I think he met his match in Mr Ali. I'd lean Ali 70-30 if this was a boxing natch.
What did Ali say that was so convincing to you?
How history has proven Hitchens’ depth and understanding of the next clash of civilizations, a visionary.
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Yea he was right about that, also he was right about Iraq being the country that was the more important one to rescue from collapse and islamic jihadism and he even said, in 07 or something, that its more likely we will have a stable Iraq and a chaotic Afghanistan
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Un tres grand artiste il me manque beaucoup ❤
Amazing Match
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The fascist regime in my state INSTALLS mental illness and of course they made the most effective treatment the highest crime in the land.
I recommend an anti-Prohibition amendment to the Constitution.
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The editing is a bit weird... I liked the helicopter thou,
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saudia arabia along with being an exporter of oil is also an exporter of VIOLENCE
A society engaged in a ”war on drugs” does not simultaneously elevate narcotic use to the status of a celebrated lifestyle. From this logically follows that no such societal effort ever actually occurred. Contrary to popular belief, addicts enjoy tremendous freedom to indulge their moral weakness.
2 trillion dollars spent in Afghanistan over 20 years just to see the same Taliban take over the country, going from no national debt in 2000 to 30 trillion dollars in national debt in 2023, one should wonder seriously which one these guys were telling the truth and which one was repeating the propaganda that global bankers and elites wanted him to push.
As someone who loves Christopher Hitchens, it feels masochistic to listen to his debates about Iraq and Afghanistan. I agree with so many of his points and opinions in this audio and elsewhere, but his “the ends justify the means” arguments and transparent, weak appeals to emotion remind me that you can’t accept the assertions of your heroes uncritically. Frankly, this debate is the poorest argument I’ve ever heard out of Hitch. It’s so disappointing. He literally suggests that a lack of outrage from people in the distant corners of the world is somehow evidence that the U.S. was obligated to declare state-sanctioned “war” against Afghanistan and Iraq. There are plenty of reasonable arguments that could have been made, but he chose the most feeble ones of the lot. It’s difficult to hear. I still love him, though.
When did he say lack of outrage?
The first questioner was almost prophetic
It's interesting to hear these debate with the wisdom of hindsight. Hitchen morphed into a worshipper of the US state in his later day's. What's Hitchen's argument? There's a growing fundamentalistic islamic (and/or religious) that can't be understood? We should never support religious forces? -History proved him wrong, to say the least (Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia). The UK and the US have always preferred the religious reactionary forces before secular nationalism (think the Gulf States). Today It's Ukraine (speaking of neo-nazis) - not a perfect analogue but there's similarities. Let me make a prediction- Ukraine will go down the toilet (written in sep 2023), US will throw them under the bus and pretend it never happened. Propaganda and worshipping the state is still in full bloom.
The legal industry is committing treason persecuting citizens for their own political beliefs.
تحية للكاتب طارق على ، أكبر مجرم حرب هو جورج بوش الإبن الى جانب إله الإرهاب المحتل الصهيوني الإسرائيلي لفلسطين اليوم أمريكا تظهر على حقيقتها المنافقة ومعاييرها المزدوجة عندما تعلن وتساعد الأوكرانيين وتعتبرهم أبطال وفي نفس الوقت تحاصر الفلسطينيين وتعتبر الفلسطينيين إرهابيين والإثنين يحاربون من أجل تحرير وطنهم المسروق والمنهوب والمعتدى عليه . حتى تحرير فلسطين وعودة الفلسطينيين الى وطنهم المسروق لن يهدأ الوطن العربي وشعوبه .
Hitchens has aged incredibly poorly. I'd also recommend tracking down his debate with Michael Parenti, from a few years later when the criminal Iraq war that he supported was already well underway.
How was it criminal?
@@1984isnotamanual Is this a serious question ? over a milllion Iraqi dead for starters
@@2001lextalionis it wasn’t over a million first of all. It was a few hundred thousand at most and we didn’t do most of that killing btw. We’re not responsible for Al Zawari’s massacres and killings. And second, so you’d have rather the many thousands dying every month of the sanctions and Sadam which was what was happening before we got there then? And according to you we shouldn’t have fought Hitler because thousands of Americans and Germans died in that effort? Or is it only ok to you to save white people from tyranny? So, try again big boy? What was wrong about removing Saddam?
@1984isnotamanual It's not the few hundred thousands at most but at the least. "Population-based studies produce estimates of the number of Iraq War casualties ranging from 151,000 violent deaths as of June 2006 (per the Iraq Family Health Survey) to 1,033,000 excess deaths (per the 2007 Opinion Research Business (ORB) survey). Other survey-based studies covering different time-spans find 461,000 total deaths (over 60% of them violent) as of June 2011 (per PLOS Medicine 2013), and 655,000 total deaths (over 90% of them violent) as of June 2006 (per the 2006 Lancet study). Body counts counted at least 110,600 violent deaths as of April 2009 (Associated Press)." But ofcourse a hitchens supporter is gonna downplay the death toll of the Iraq war.
@@Arjmmno im not downplaying anything. Alot of those numbers arw garbage. Im curious, if all you care about is the number of dead, we shouldnt have fought Hitler in WW2 because millions of germans and others died?
Equate the actually existing wars with the ideal inside your head, the better to swap in the ideal inside your head whenever someone launches a knockdown critique of the actually existing wars. Note the sophistry behind Hitch’s eloquent rhetoric.
Wow, I love hitchens but I have to agree with Tariq on most of the points he made.
What points?
@@1984isnotamanualPay attention to the video and you won’t need to ask others.
@@cyrus2546 I did and I actually fact checked too. Tariq Ali literally was pro-Bin Laden and said 9/11 was an attack by the colonized of the American empire. Thats an insane view, as well as an immoral one.
How truthful and far-sighted Tariq Ali was then when he called Afghanistan government created by the US as a bunch of gangs competing for American money.
Tariq Ali smashed Hitchens to smaller pieces than the cluster bombs he supported in carpeting the innocent civilians of Baghdad
So... When there is peace in Arab countries, will the flood to Europe stop? No. Islam is a failed regime slash religion.
21 years on and we find ourselves still bogged down with the same s**t with nothing but the actors replaced.
Except Europe is now flooded with the so called Islam aliens. Prove me wrong if them don't loath their own land, regime. No one likes to talk about the fact people are running away from Asia to Europe.
10 min di serve and volley.... Praticamente gli ultimi 20 anni totali d serve and volley
Assolutamente pensavo la stessa cosa... Piu vole' vincenti in questo match che nelle ultime 5 edizioni del RG
@@sportingartigliere6938 mi associo a voi, un gran bel vedere che oggi purtroppo non si vede più neanche sull'erba.
Thanks for uploading - I've never forgotten their tense exchange on democracynow.
Hitches is fantastic when he speaks about religion - ALL religions. He is clearly out of his element in geopolitics. I wonder what he’d have to say about the present day situation. Score: Tariq Ali 4/5 Christopher Hitchens 2/5.
Every other day I wonder what Hitchens would think about Christian nationalism and fundamentalism in here in America, but also George Carlin and Bill Hicks. I don’t think they would believe it.
@@Maintainingabadtrip - He would probably exaggerate the "threat" of a fringe of the Christian/Catholic Church. "Christian Nationalism" is a buzzword to fearmonger the Left against the Right. Cheap, divisive propaganda. It is good to not be in Denial of all bad actors, Christian and Atheist, but one must strive to put things into proper proportion. Hitchens wasn't always good at that, though he was an effective and necessary voice in serious discussions.
@@machtnichtsseimann Christian Nationalism may used as a buzzword but you’ve heard of Silver Shirts and such groups haven’t you? Evangelicals, is that a buzzword? The ideologies of Christians is broad? I believe there are common and popular beliefs; that’s what I’m referencing. The Marjorie Taylor Greene’s. Turning Point USA. Qanon.
Hitchens isn't even that great on religion, if you read what he's saying without the wit and charisma of his delivery you're left with not much of anything worth using to defend atheism. Might be unpopular opinion but not impressed with Hitchens, charm and charisma aplenty, smoke and mirrors for me.
Edberg looked such a delicate player ! How did he win against all those hard hitters of the time like Becker, Courier, Sampras etc ?
Hitchens is brilliant here abour Islam. Tariq points to the American war machine and hypocrisy therein. They are both correct.
Did 9/11 constitute an act of war? In itself: no. The Taliban were protecting Bin Laden, who founded al Qaeda, engineered terrorist attacks that killed thousand of people in Africa, Asia and America. This constituted an act of war. This misrepresentation of events is typical of Ali. This is right at the beginning of his lies. How much more of his wisdom am I going to have to wade through, during this debate?
The Left is always right
The genocide in Iraq decimated Establishment reputation and its representatives are now failing to maintain trust and order at home. Populists now squat in the moral vaccum originally created to win support for the brutal invasion. The rebound has created a divided and subverted Europe. The West's self-certified framework of morality is now being tested at its doorstep.
FYI: over the past year Tariq Ali has been busy whining about how it's not fair to the poor Ukrainians that we're helping them defend themselves and their children from overt genocide, that it's just needless bloodshed (and nevermind the fact that 85%+ want to keep fighting Russia.) I checked and he did the exact same thing when Serbia was conducting its own genocide in Kosovo, far worse in print than he said here. My point is that to the extent Ali was "right" about Iraq (and this is a debatable extent), he was only right for all the wrong reasons. To the extent that Hitchens was wrong about Iraq, he was at least wrong for all the right reasons. Christopher's main sin was to think too highly of the cohesion of Iraqi civil society, and to overrate the USA's ability to go off nation-building. Where's Ali's sin is that nothing he says is ever rooted in any logic or sentiment other than "fuck America".
nice argument
You'll find in time he is right on Ukraine too. Only those that refuse to properly investigate the war think Ukraine's regime is innocent or that this is not a US proxy war that will only end when truth is told and Kiev negotiates.
@@finbarmarkey Of course it's a proxy war. This is a good thing. Proxy wars vs. the USSR are what led to its breakup. Proxy wars are the reason why South Korea is a vibrant, incredibly important nation while North Korea is a hell on Earth. Useful idiots (a phrase and concept Russians invented) have seen one or two Vietnam movies and have a laughable, kindergarten level understanding of what actually happened and what the scoreboard actually reads. Our proxy war disasters weren't nearly as bad as portrayed. And our massive, MASSIVE proxy war victories (for the countries themselvse as well as the world) are barely mentioned at all.
I dont think he says 'fuck america' he says 'fuck americas fucking foreign policy blunders'
Just accept that your hero Chris Hitchens is shown up in this debate as not exactly the brilliant intellectual you thought he was.
Tariq Ali didn't give a damn about Iraq. Just another lefty poseur looking for any chance to turn all his ire on the west. The sort of leftwinger who loves fascist dictators. He's been spending his time lately making excuses for Putin's invasion of Ukraine and calling on the west to stop supporting Ukrainian self defence. A hateful corrupt moron.
Explain the rapid collapse of the twin towers. It took more that a jet striking the top and starting low temperature fires. Those buildings collapsed as fast as a bowling ball dropped out of a Cessna