I am sure that someone has commented with this Kierkegaard quote before: "A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that's just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it's a joke."
I've been saying for a few years now, the destruction of the is on a 5yr delay, smh..God bless everyone! Satan fights hardest, when God has big plans at work!
This reminds me a scene from "Pirates of the Carribean: To the World's End" where they try to figure a way to escape the underworld before sunset lest the get trapped forever (mind you they had to go into antarctica and then fall of a waterfall in order to find the otherworld, that is to go into the margins of the world and then lose all order by letting themselves into the watery chaos in order to enter death). In this scene Jack Sparrow (the wise fool of the company) finds and tries to understand the phrases "sunrise sets" and "up is down" which are the key to get out. As he's doing that he starts talking with his two little selves in an allmost delliriac situation (cause he's crazy) and in his dellirium he understands that the world of the dead is upside down to the world of the living, which means that if they turn their ship upside down (upstraight relative to the world of the living) at the time of the sunset (when the sunset to the dead becomes the sunrise to the living, ie when the world gets inverted from turnaround to straight) they will get transported back to the world of the living through the sea (which represents both life and death, connecting the two worlds). And how does he invert the ship? He starts acting foolishly by going up and down so that the others will think he is after something and by following him to see what is that he saw they will start rocking the ship and make it flip. Litterally the fool turns the world from inverted back to normal by acting foolishly.
The bow tie and the beard are decorations 🙂 I am not talking about Jonathan’s beard here but the beard in general is a strange one as it tends to be a focus of people that want to appear wise. It seems quite obvious in new age gurus etc. where the length is taken to, at times, grotesque extremes. There is a interesting proverb: ‘If the scissors are not used daily on the beard, it will not be long before the beard is, by its luxuriant growth, pretending to be the head’.
Don't mind me, this might not be relevant for everyone 2:45 Ricky Gervais 6:45 To understand the Fool, meaning of nakedness (Discussion with MP?) - Other moments? @ 37:20, 46:38, 49:10 10:23 Medieval map as image of identity (Jordan Hall interview on Rebel Wisdom...) 16:16 Same as architecture of Church... Gargoyles (Batman video?) 17:38 Laughter meaning 18:50 Inversion festivals, Story of Esther 20:36 Medieval manuscripts, replacement of people with animals 26:28 Halloween 29:00 Carnival's relationship with death 33:22 Garden of Gethsemane 36:53 Why LGBTQ flag is rainbow 38:21 King David story (NB) --> Story of Christ (was born in a cave btw) 43:47 ...David, gambling/lots, nakedness --> Story of Christ (crucifixion) 50:37, again 55:10, again 57:17, again 59:00 Discerning fool and holy fool 56:30 Should we try to play the role of the fool? 1:00:01 Role of the foreigner 1:01:15 The holy fool's relation to madness/mental derangement 1:02:50 Is Trump the figure of a fool? 1:03:17 How the fool is related to Satan? (Also 59:00 Regarding humility) 1:04:21 Hasn't humanity been in the carnival ever since the fall? (Cycles & Sabbath) 1:08:26 Ornaments and placement Sound effects: 39:13 42:11 1:06:48 56:03, 1:00:30 HCIST
Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become "fools" so that you may become wise. Corinthians 3:18
This becomes ever more relevant as our so called wisdom goes further away from divinely given wisdom. How Grace works is the complete opposite of our human values of "nothing comes for free" a d DIY
I have to admit that myself being a diligent, pragmatic and working man, this was the hardest truth to grasp. Legalism was always looming, until I stopped trying.
When I was in university I went to an academic get-together at a prof's home. Relaxing with food and wine, the instructors and grad students -- being highly competitive folk -- began entertaining themselves by telling snarky stories about associates who were not present. So just for fun I told a story ON MYSELF -- about how I once made a fool of myself when butt naked with my family doctor -- everybody cracked up laughing ... there was a bit of a pause .. and they stopped telling snarky stories about others for the rest of the evening.
I am a street performer jester living in New Orleans where Carnival is currently underway. Your lecture is so validating and a blessing from God. Everything you said are things I believe the Lord has been showing me as well. I could write a book on my adventures as a holy fool and if ever you would like to see validation of your prediction of needing to watch the fools I would love to show you proof through pictures of what I've been up to.
One of the most profound revelations I have had was walking out of Christmas morning Mass @ St. Louis Cathedral the year before you posted this. I'll never forget it.
They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not EL; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. DEVARIYM (DEUTERONOMY) 32:16 את CEPHER It’s the hypocrite who finally sees... don’t do what I just did.
I absolutely love your heart brother. Loved this entire talk. Jesus spit on mud and put it on someone's eyes. When questioned by the religious leaders was drawing in the sand. Had disciples get money for Caesar out of a fish's mouth. Chose fisherman, a tax collector, and a prostitute to be His closest followers. And then became the ultimate representation of humiliation on the cross. My heart is stirred from this message.
Biblical proof for Mary being a prostitute does NOT exist.. read ur Bible don’t listen to mystery Babylon aka Catholic Church and their priests known as who? fathers -who Christ told us not to call any man
God has such an amazing sense of humor, and deep irony is all through the bible. The very nation He chose to deliver it reject its true purpose and leading the attack against it/Him! What's more is this was even prophesied in it!! God's plan is so all encompassing that it even includes a challenge to the plan, to prove and fulfill it. Super awesome.
Regarding marginalia, I remember back to when me and my brother were children, we used to make little handwritten books for fun, and we tended to instinctively put funny and weird drawings in the margins. I hadn't thought about it until you showed the examples here from medieval books.
I like that you pointed out that one of the roles of the fool is to show that a system or authority does not encompass everything by pointing to the margins and hypocrisies and short comings using humor and ironic inversions. It occured to me that perhaps the reason a good or proper fool will also willingly and often make themselves the butt of the jokes as well is to show that they are not seeking to replace that authority with their own system. That would be the main difference between a rebel and a fool. Am I onto something there? How would that relate to king davids story who did end up becoming the authority?
Phil M I think you can tell a true Holy Fool when they become a fool for God. They no longer are working on their own behalf. Seems as if God made the fool a king. Im a clown in New Orleans who recently found Jesus. My world turned upside down. I've been thinking how the Pharisees and religious leaders crucified Jesus but the "joke" was on them because it fulfilled His destiny and became the ultimate sacrifice for all of mankind. Those who realized what they had done could have repented and experienced the revelation that all things work for the glory of God. side note * This sermon is so important because coming to the truth of God is like having your whole world turned upside down and backwards. Everything in this world is opposite of the truth. People allow themselves to sin because they want to live as indulgently as they please before they die - not realizing that death only exists BECAUSE of sin. Therefore they do the very opposite thing they wish to accomplish - which is to really live.. and the only way to live forever is to believe Jesus died and came back to life, defeating death and erasing the sins of the faithful. Wow!!! I'm amazed by it constantly!
@@ghostwriter5295 "Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,”" 1 Corinthians 3:18-19
Good point, and another reason we must watch the fools because they may have a hidden agenda, instead of being an agent of chaos and inversion they may be selective in what they criticise and expose to further a political goal rather than serving as a mirror on society.
Noah Church interesting post. God has such an amazing sense of humor, and deep irony too all through the bible. The very nation He chose to deliver it reject its true purpose and leading the attack against it/Him! What's more is this was even prophesied in it!! God's plan is so all encompassing that it even includes and challenge to the plan, to prove and fulfill it. Super awesome.
@@lightdarklightdarklightdark I meant that Brand and others who play the fool are now kings for some people because they point out truths that many others refuse to acknowledge
You can look like a fool without being one. It all depends on the situational construct. Sometimes those who are regarded as fools are just ahead of their time. I wonder if when Noah was building his ark, if he was regarded as a 'fool'.
I'm reading Revolt Against the Modern World and he talks about how the current state of the world is the precursor to death. Holy smokes that's terrifying
yeah pageau mentioned that there is a connection between carnival and death but he never really followed up on it and that got me worrying about the implications. it made me think that the 'remedy' for our current state of affairs would have to be something as serious as war or plague and yes that idea really is terrifying. can you say more about this book you've mentioned?
@@sampearson8651 the author just talks about the "traditional" world versus the modern and how things were done in ancient times and how that was the proper mode of being for man. There's a lot A LOT of talk about symbolism in there as well. The premise is that we're in the Kali Yuga, which is the hindu spiritual dark age and the final age before a particular civilization collapses. The full title is Revolt Against the Modern World: Politics, Religion and Social Order in the Age of the Kali Yuga. It was written by an Italian man in the 40s
Like….everyone in our society glorifies King David and I’ve always found him to be quite revolting. However now, after your depiction of him as the fool….I quite like him. I don’t think it’s that I disliked King David so much but rather, I sensed that he was being misrepresented. As a necessary fool…..I really appreciate his character. Thank You so much for the clarification
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. (Sorry, that was the right answer.)
Jonathan Pageau hahaha. it’s a speaker girding up their throat loins. That’s anatomically correct. I’m positive. Throat loins are real. Maybe they’re the only thing that’s real
@@JonathanPageau My God, you might be getting A's on your report card, but you're getting an F on following direction. We want _alternatives_ to the truth; that means bold faced lies. He's (you're) wearing a bowtie for two reasons: One, he's supposed to be wearing a tie (thus it is an act of rebellion (Caesar's wrath will come swiftly!) against the established order & social norms (the archetype of the jester), and, two, it's current year, the present; He is a gift, an offering, the Lamb of God as substitute and sacrifice for the remission of sins. Basically, _basically,_ the meaning of the bowtie is that he is a gifted orator. _There is a bow on his_ (voice [which cries out from the wilderness]) _box._
The bow tie symbolises the pagan god Rufus who had wings that came from the neck, they were useless wings but it looked cool and got Rufus heaps of snatch
Satan tries to play the Jacob to Christ's Esau in the wilderness. He tries to trick Christ into trading his "birthright" (his status as the Son of God) for food, power, glory, etc. But Christ is the holy fool who tricks the trickster, overcomes by death he who holds the power of death, and reveals the glory offered to him in the wilderness to be death while transforming death into his own glory.
shotinthedark90 totally agree. The wisdom of God is seen as foolishness to those who don't have eyes to see. The moniker "holy fool"is being used to explain this.
And so what and who cares. Back to reality, to plans, dreams and hobbies and trying to working out relationships. All this magical thinking and powers are a laughing stock.
Only Pageau can speak of the metaphysics of poo. He does it apologetically which makes his whole symbolic project approachable and very Canadian? This a great talk.
I had an epiphany when you talked about lots being the breakdown of reason. The dogma of scientism - the strange faith that is at the heart of the scientistic atheism and religious scientism that we are seeing today - has disguised randomness as reason. They essentially, by saying there is no consciousness, intelligence, or order behind the creation of the universe and living beings, are saying that randomness IS reason. That the highest logic that exists springs out of complete chance (atoms spinning mindlessly, evolution mutating randomly). Our culture, which believes it is living in the Age of Reason, which believes it is enlightened and intelligent, is really worshipping randomness, which they have mistaken for reason. Exactly why the wheel needs to turn - thank you for sharing your wonderful knowledge and understanding!
Jillian Perkins - I see what you mean.... worshipping "randomness" and through that worshipping "anything goes" but then trying to turn it into order by fighting anybody who does not accept this "order of aimless randomness".The big dilemma is 1/if anything goes as all pops up randomly then saying that this is BS is just as valid as any other odd thing that emerges 2/if this new perspective should take everything, you are implementing some kind of order - for what reason? After all everything is equal in its popping up nature..... ;o)
You keep insisting that this is some failure of reason, but this is exactly what one should expect when a culture idolizes the mind. This isn't splitting hairs. Because as I read you, you want to blame this on chaos, when in fact this is exactly what idolatry of order looks like.
I see where you're coming from --- that all we are is a bunch of atoms that happened to bump in the right manner is "random" compared to the order of Christian cosmology but I think a more accurate criticism of the "science guys", is that they afford science and reason metaphysical, revelatory power such that "science" is no longer scientific, and "reason" no longer rational. It's not random, but a specific worldview --- what the science guys unanimously seem blind to is that their worldview is no more scientific (in the strict, literal sense of the word) than the religious worldviews they crap on. atheism itself is leap of faith --- he who orders his life (as much as is possible) through science is an agnostic that in our evolutionary past we were scurrying around the underbrush like rats is merely the best origin narrative science offers --- yet science guys cling to it with religious zealotry, fiercely opposing breaches of orthodoxy like the concept that, because every complex thing we know the origin of was designed, perhaps the complex things we don't know the origin of were also designed (a perfectly legitimate hypothesis in the spirit of naive science) the big bang is theorized by stretching mathematical equations back to their theoretical limit, not by any sort of empirical evidence. Yet to the science guy, the big bang _must_ be the start of the cosmos, and exceedingly important questions like, "okay but what about before that?" are brushed off --- of course there was nothing before that. How does nothing become something? You know, science (one among a host of equally lame "scientific" answers). Find a science guy who believes that these are merely the best narratives scientism can weave currently, and are not scientific fact --- they are few and far between. Find a science guy who can admit that science does nothing to suggest the cosmos is purely material. There are a host of non-scientific, faith-based presuppositions that go into the science guy worldview - foremost among them, a stubborn blindness to the fact that any of these presuppositions are faith-based. And while lip service is paid to the random, meaninglessness of the cosmos, that is only superficial, reactionary --- beneath that is an ordered worldview. After all, no one can live in a random, meaningless universe.
Your comment on irony got me thinking of the teenagers I work with. 99% of the the things they say are ironic. Not sure if its the reality of our time or if its just them being teenagers. My sense is that the two stack on top of each other. Which lead to younger people being so overly ironic that it’s difficult to even have a conversation with them.
Precisely. I am technically Gen Z and I noticed this about MYSELF. There’s a word for it: black humor. We delight in our dying world, everything is a joke, nothing is wholly good or sacred. I’ve only just recently, in the past year, come to realize how much this pattern of speaking and joking was harming me. It isn’t fun to be around, and is also spiritually bankrupt on so many levels.
And I should note by dying world, I mean the perceived dying world. Most Gen Z take this to mean climate change, racism, discrimination etc but I don’t follow that viewpoint anymore
How can you tell the difference between a cycle of foolishness about to turn towards reason and piety, and the final depraved stage of decline in an empire about to fall?
Couldn't help but think about all the different elements you mention in this lecture that are present in The Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour album - The cover has The Beatles dressed as animals above a rainbow, the breakdown of white light - Second song on the album is The Fool On The Hill, which includes the lyric "he never listens to them, he knows that they're the fools. They don't like him..." -The front half of the album has more fringe songs that are less accessible to the average listener with more nonsensical lyrics and more "noise like" music as opposed to traditional pop melodies but it all builds up to All You Need Is Love, one of the more popular Beatles songs that was performed on the first worldwide broadcast -Plus this is the last album before the Paul Is Dead conspiracy theory began
The Dutch celebrate new years eve with an inordinate amount of firework which explode nearly continuously for about 5 hours. The normally straight laced Dutch, with their organised cities, descend into smoke and noise for one evening of the opposite.
52:44 "Why do we need to recognize and pay attention to the fools, for personal enjoyment or so we can leverage their effect?" Because, as Doug Wilson points out in his recent Plodcasts, Christ in Matthew 16 calls the Pharisees and the Sadducees hypocrites because for all their knowledge of the Law they did not grasp the big picture because they did not integrate themselves fully into the Truth of it: they could tell see physical signs and thus predict the physical weather, but could not recognize spiritual signs and predict the movements of Providence in the hearts of men, unlike the Children of Issachar who, we're told in 1st Chronicles 12:32, were men who understood their times and thus knew what to do in those times. If we want to understand the times in which we live we need to know precisely the kind of cosmology you've laid out here, so we can recognize the signs of where and when we are and thus know where we're going and what we need to do on the way. I keep telling my friends and family they need to watch your channel. I'll be sharing this video around like crazy. Thank you for all you do.
The one thing a tyrannical system (which by definition is insecure) cannot abide by is ambiguity. Only the Fool can speak to the King so (his number in the Tarot is Zero, he stands outside of the System), although his position is tenuous. Observe which systems around you cannot tolerate ambiguity and there you have found your new master.
I just got to part where you talk about Halloween being one of these festivals and that people probably don't do the remembrance of the dead along with it. I actually wonder about that. Halloween is probably the biggest of these in secular culture. Its celebrated second only to Christmas in the States, I think. I've noticed a slowly increasing embrace of the Mexican day of the dead in the past few years. It's usually presented as cultural inclusion, but I wonder if we just need something like it today. For example, my daughter's secular preschool had the kids all bring in a photo if a deceased family member (or pet if the child didn't know a family member who had passed). It's been a few years, but she still asks to make an altar at Halloween. She also really likes the movie Coco, so I'm sure that has something to do with it.
Not far from where my father used to live there is a place where traditionalist Jews came to celebrate once a year. Though it wasn't a day, it was at least a week, according to him. They believed that they are forbidden to do ANY kind of work during this time, so the place would drown in the garbage and worse by the end of festivities. All kinds of night butterflies were gathering from across the land there because the celebrants spent a lot of money left and right. In general, the stories he told me about what was happening there left an uneasy impression on me. Watching humans indulge themselves in festivities without restrain is not pretty.
I couldn’t be any more serious when I say that I need you to do an analysis of the symbolism in eiichiro odas one piece. It was my craving to better understand this narrative which weaves our human history, religious/mythological tales, and an original take on the archetypal story of the hero that brought me to your channel. I think you could do it justice and potentially attract a large shared audience who would benefit from something like that.
Laughter and everything that a fool or trickster makes you do or does, brings about a catharsis, which is a form of purification, so the fool can work as a doctor in a sense, curing illnesses that are at the very edge through catharsis of breathing, gestures and sounds (laughter) or catharsis of movement through acrobatic type of movements that take you to the extreme without going as far as injuring the person. I teach and practice a sport that is called TRICKING and it's all about acrobatics and kicks in the air without an actual target to kick, and I see how most of the people who practice the sport, are outcasts who nobody understands, and through this sport they find some ground in a community so they don't go insane for feeling so in the edge.
Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda both live in wasteland/caves, are referred to or appear as sorcerers/foolish (yoda most obviously) , leave no body at death, are rebels to an empire that mocks/fears/hunts them, have hidden knowledge/power, and are father figures to an orphan whose father is "the flipped" Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker, etc...
God told Adam to keep watch/guard over the garden/sanctuary as Yeshua told the disciples in the garden, both consumed fruit (ie, fruit of the vine, which in some traditions say was the forbidden fruit) and let the enemy in, and were ashamed/naked. This goes along with the priestly warning to not fall asleep during watch in the sanctuary or the chief priest may come as a thief in the night and you lose your garments/glory as a sign of shame.
The menorah in the holy place used old priestly garments as wicks for light in the sanctuary showing the symbolic link between the priestly garments and clothed in glory as the angels are described as wearing and Paul speaks of believers clothed in glory in the resurrection. The shroud of Turin seems to be a material token of this promise. See the post about the Apostolic discourse on the Shroud on the blog linked atop my channel for new analysis.
What was Dadaism other than turning the self-serious art-world upside-down? And now almost the whole art-world is Dadaist. And they take themselves more serious than ever.
I'd be afraid to attend a Pageau lecture, because I know when he inevitably mentions _The Feast of the Ass_ , I'd burst out laughing, and the people around me would look at me like I'm a moron
I don't know, Kanye's Donda is the most powerful Christian art I've seen in my lifetime, hands down. It is absolutely beautiful. Heaven and Hell is the most visceral and intense anthem of all those trying to maintain sanity in this lion's den
In listening to this wonderful (in multiple senses of that word) talk, it occurred to me that perhaps one of the definitions of a Totalitarian system could be that it is one whose leaders have succeeded at throttling the Holy Fool to death in the cradle.
Oncunnynge: Medieval term applied to the Fool. From which comes the word cunning. It meant the wisdom and truth that comes through madness - a gift of the divine.
Thank you. That was eye opening lecture on the venerated holy fools. I never fully understood their role in the bigger picture, despite living in Russia all my life and even referencing their agiography almost every time while defending the Orthodox faith from the nondenominational protestants' accusations.
I'm not sure about this specific map, but if you're searching for something similar, mappa mundi is the name for Medieval world maps like this. The Hereford mappa mundi is probably the most famous one and also has the East on top with at its extreme Eden, like the map Jonathan uses here.
I'm from Norwich :D always nice to hear a mention in videos (I had no idea about the Helter Skelter).... It's pronounced Norrich by the way (if you think that's bad you should try some of the other places near by Wymondham (pronounced Windum) or Costessey (pronounced Cossey))
Great lecture. I think it is interesting how these various carnivals are supposed to remind/lead us to death yet secular society, despite its inclinations towards destructive habits and policies, is so adverse to the concept of death (ex. 'celebrations of life' over funerals) though they partake in the carnival spirit. Might this be as an excuse or escape from reality? I think we see the world turned and fixed upside down. Also my mind is blown by your association of Christ with the fool. Its amazing how obvious and clear it now seems; something that had always been there right in front of me but I had not thought all the way through.
I understand that Halloween became an inversion or Christianity, but Halloween originated in Ireland in pre Christian times. So was it an inversion of pagan religions or did it only become an inversion when Christianity was introduced.
The whole Saul and David part at 42:20. Wasn't Saul hunting David...lol (much Like Saul was persecuting Christians) and in the cave, hiding to protect himself in his vulnerability, becomes completely vulnerable, as David had full opportunity to kill him. Instead he cuts Sauls garment. And when Saul discovers that David spared him, he stops hunting David. Much like Saul in the NT, Christ meets him, could have killed him, but instead makes him blind and vulnerable, eventually restoring him and granting him life as Paul. Just saying.
This reminds of the pattern on the song from Elvis Costello’s album King of America(poking fun at himself using Elvis Presley’s name, “I’ll Wear it Proudly”. I do not believe he is a Holy Fool but plays a part in presenting a mirror to the culture in a slightly humbling place of “I am the a fool”. His lyrics say it all but more about a new love. Ironically on the album cover backside is the same pic as the front (crown) but him wearing the fools hat. Wonder if he understands this symbolism to you Jonathon?
Bravo Jonathan. Isn't the imagery of the world as a Carnival motif strongly drawn out by John Bunyan's Pilgrims Progress in how the Believer must inevitably travel thru 'Vanity Fair' (the city of continual partying & ruin of Souls) on the Path to the Celestial City ?
Wow, Ive actually been thinking about the Heyoka a lot lately. Whenever you talked about the fool in the past, thats the character that I would always think of.
I am sure that someone has commented with this Kierkegaard quote before:
"A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated it; the acclaim was even greater. I think that's just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it's a joke."
Why doesn't this have more likes?
shotinthedark90 incredible quote
@David Chorak Thank you for your thoughts.
I've been saying for a few years now, the destruction of the is on a 5yr delay, smh..God bless everyone! Satan fights hardest, when God has big plans at work!
Thank you for this.
This reminds me a scene from "Pirates of the Carribean: To the World's End" where they try to figure a way to escape the underworld before sunset lest the get trapped forever (mind you they had to go into antarctica and then fall of a waterfall in order to find the otherworld, that is to go into the margins of the world and then lose all order by letting themselves into the watery chaos in order to enter death). In this scene Jack Sparrow (the wise fool of the company) finds and tries to understand the phrases "sunrise sets" and "up is down" which are the key to get out. As he's doing that he starts talking with his two little selves in an allmost delliriac situation (cause he's crazy) and in his dellirium he understands that the world of the dead is upside down to the world of the living, which means that if they turn their ship upside down (upstraight relative to the world of the living) at the time of the sunset (when the sunset to the dead becomes the sunrise to the living, ie when the world gets inverted from turnaround to straight) they will get transported back to the world of the living through the sea (which represents both life and death, connecting the two worlds). And how does he invert the ship? He starts acting foolishly by going up and down so that the others will think he is after something and by following him to see what is that he saw they will start rocking the ship and make it flip. Litterally the fool turns the world from inverted back to normal by acting foolishly.
That is awesome! I never thought of that scene like that.
This blew my mind, thanks.
Wow, I wish I could contribute more than a thanks, but thanks.
Great response
Workin on it
"How do you make people laugh when the whole world is a joke" perfect description.
I have to agree with the other comments in here:
1) The best speech you've given.
2) The bowtie looks dapper.
3) The beard is majestic.
The bow tie and the beard are decorations 🙂 I am not talking about Jonathan’s beard here but the beard in general is a strange one as it tends to be a focus of people that want to appear wise. It seems quite obvious in new age gurus etc. where the length is taken to, at times, grotesque extremes. There is a interesting proverb: ‘If the scissors are not used daily on the beard, it will not be long before the beard is, by its luxuriant growth, pretending to be the head’.
the longer, professionally trimmed beard really suits Jonathan, gives him that air of biblical gravitas
@@dionysis_ true to your namesake, uprooting the traditional archetype and accusing it of fraudulence :D
Chris C Hopefully a balancing and not a destructive force. Pruning instead of uprooting 😉
@yabon banania The bowtie and beard are gargoyles. He keeps them on the outside of his body to maintain the order within.
Don't mind me, this might not be relevant for everyone
2:45 Ricky Gervais
6:45 To understand the Fool, meaning of nakedness (Discussion with MP?) - Other moments? @ 37:20, 46:38, 49:10
10:23 Medieval map as image of identity (Jordan Hall interview on Rebel Wisdom...)
16:16 Same as architecture of Church... Gargoyles (Batman video?)
17:38 Laughter meaning
18:50 Inversion festivals, Story of Esther
20:36 Medieval manuscripts, replacement of people with animals
26:28 Halloween
29:00 Carnival's relationship with death
33:22 Garden of Gethsemane
36:53 Why LGBTQ flag is rainbow
38:21 King David story (NB) --> Story of Christ (was born in a cave btw)
43:47 ...David, gambling/lots, nakedness --> Story of Christ (crucifixion)
50:37, again 55:10, again 57:17, again 59:00 Discerning fool and holy fool
56:30 Should we try to play the role of the fool?
1:00:01 Role of the foreigner
1:01:15 The holy fool's relation to madness/mental derangement
1:02:50 Is Trump the figure of a fool?
1:03:17 How the fool is related to Satan? (Also 59:00 Regarding humility)
1:04:21 Hasn't humanity been in the carnival ever since the fall? (Cycles & Sabbath)
1:08:26 Ornaments and placement
Sound effects:
39:13
42:11
1:06:48
56:03, 1:00:30 HCIST
Thank you, Lisa. Much appreciated.
Somewhat misleading, as Gervais is given only an offhand mention.
@@jarlnicholl1478 Didn't I say this is not for everyone?
@@jarlnicholl1478 Sorry Jarl. I'm short on sleep 😅😩 But yeah, the notes are really for my personal reference.
@HAYAO LEONE I think so.
In other words - "when things get strange, the strange get professional".
I think the quote is "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"
yea fools is appropriate but these arent dumb people, but they have been foolish.
Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become "fools" so that you may become wise. Corinthians 3:18
This becomes ever more relevant as our so called wisdom goes further away from divinely given wisdom. How Grace works is the complete opposite of our human values of "nothing comes for free" a d DIY
I have to admit that myself being a diligent, pragmatic and working man, this was the hardest truth to grasp. Legalism was always looming, until I stopped trying.
When I was in university I went to an academic get-together at a prof's home. Relaxing with food and wine, the instructors and grad students -- being highly competitive folk -- began entertaining themselves by telling snarky stories about associates who were not present. So just for fun I told a story ON MYSELF -- about how I once made a fool of myself when butt naked with my family doctor -- everybody cracked up laughing ... there was a bit of a pause .. and they stopped telling snarky stories about others for the rest of the evening.
I mean... Want a cookie?
mondopinion Great story 👏
That is a great strategy! I usually walk away (when I can) from this kind of conversations, but I think your strategy is better
I feel like the world makes a little more sense after this.
Listening to Jonathan always fills me with a strange sense of joy and richness.
I am a street performer jester living in New Orleans where Carnival is currently underway. Your lecture is so validating and a blessing from God. Everything you said are things I believe the Lord has been showing me as well. I could write a book on my adventures as a holy fool and if ever you would like to see validation of your prediction of needing to watch the fools I would love to show you proof through pictures of what I've been up to.
One of the most profound revelations I have had was walking out of Christmas morning Mass @ St. Louis Cathedral the year before you posted this. I'll never forget it.
Definitely write it!
This is the best speech you've given so far, in my humble opinion.
Highly agree
I second that
Compliments from 'legalize_gayweed' symbolism happens
picture checks out.
They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not EL; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. DEVARIYM (DEUTERONOMY) 32:16 את CEPHER
It’s the hypocrite who finally sees... don’t do what I just did.
I absolutely love your heart brother.
Loved this entire talk. Jesus spit on mud and put it on someone's eyes.
When questioned by the religious leaders was drawing in the sand. Had disciples get money for Caesar out of a fish's mouth. Chose fisherman, a tax collector, and a prostitute to be His closest followers. And then became the ultimate representation of humiliation on the cross.
My heart is stirred from this message.
Biblical proof for Mary being a prostitute does NOT exist.. read ur Bible don’t listen to mystery Babylon aka Catholic Church and their priests known as who? fathers -who Christ told us not to call any man
Somebody: goes to the toilet
Jonathan: he dead
Lmao
Elvis Presley: goes to the toilet
Everyone: he dead
God has such an amazing sense of humor, and deep irony is all through the bible. The very nation He chose to deliver it reject its true purpose and leading the attack against it/Him! What's more is this was even prophesied in it!! God's plan is so all encompassing that it even includes a challenge to the plan, to prove and fulfill it. Super awesome.
I just don't see the humour in it. I see the baseless wicked nature of man. Dark humour isn't my picture of God
Also, he chose the smallest possible place on the map to be the center of focus lol
@@drummerboy737 God works on an infinite timeline. Whereas, we don't. Our perspective is vastly limited in scope.
@@drummerboy737 The Psalms says God sits in the heavens and laughs, mocking evil kings to plot against God.
Great to listen too! A Magnum opus for us who have been following you for awhile. I can see all the connections clearly now.
I agree. This clarified so much of Jonathan's previous works for me.
Regarding marginalia, I remember back to when me and my brother were children, we used to make little handwritten books for fun, and we tended to instinctively put funny and weird drawings in the margins. I hadn't thought about it until you showed the examples here from medieval books.
They're like classroom doodles in the margins of homework.
I like that you pointed out that one of the roles of the fool is to show that a system or authority does not encompass everything by pointing to the margins and hypocrisies and short comings using humor and ironic inversions.
It occured to me that perhaps the reason a good or proper fool will also willingly and often make themselves the butt of the jokes as well is to show that they are not seeking to replace that authority with their own system. That would be the main difference between a rebel and a fool.
Am I onto something there? How would that relate to king davids story who did end up becoming the authority?
Phil M I think you can tell a true Holy Fool when they become a fool for God. They no longer are working on their own behalf. Seems as if God made the fool a king.
Im a clown in New Orleans who recently found Jesus. My world turned upside down. I've been thinking how the Pharisees and religious leaders crucified Jesus but the "joke" was on them because it fulfilled His destiny and became the ultimate sacrifice for all of mankind. Those who realized what they had done could have repented and experienced the revelation that all things work for the glory of God.
side note *
This sermon is so important because coming to the truth of God is like having your whole world turned upside down and backwards. Everything in this world is opposite of the truth. People allow themselves to sin because they want to live as indulgently as they please before they die - not realizing that death only exists BECAUSE of sin. Therefore they do the very opposite thing they wish to accomplish - which is to really live.. and the only way to live forever is to believe Jesus died and came back to life, defeating death and erasing the sins of the faithful.
Wow!!! I'm amazed by it constantly!
@@ghostwriter5295 "Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,”" 1 Corinthians 3:18-19
Good point, and another reason we must watch the fools because they may have a hidden agenda, instead of being an agent of chaos and inversion they may be selective in what they criticise and expose to further a political goal rather than serving as a mirror on society.
Succinct.
I memorized your definition.
Noah Church interesting post. God has such an amazing sense of humor, and deep irony too all through the bible. The very nation He chose to deliver it reject its true purpose and leading the attack against it/Him! What's more is this was even prophesied in it!! God's plan is so all encompassing that it even includes and challenge to the plan, to prove and fulfill it. Super awesome.
Like Russell Brand actually being a better journalist than anyone on CNN
And now he also got baptised and became Christian
And the fool is now the king..
@@donaldkeith139didn’t connect that
@@lightdarklightdarklightdark I meant that Brand and others who play the fool are now kings for some people because they point out truths that many others refuse to acknowledge
@@donaldkeith139 oh i thought you were referring to biden becoming president there’s definitely something symbolic there
You can look like a fool without being one. It all depends on the situational construct. Sometimes those who are regarded as fools are just ahead of their time. I wonder if when Noah was building his ark, if he was regarded as a 'fool'.
@TTS NEWS i know you made this comment a year ago..but your response has me perplexed.. intrigued ...please explain how this works
This man is a genius. Let the fool arise this season and set the record straight!!
I'm reading Revolt Against the Modern World and he talks about how the current state of the world is the precursor to death. Holy smokes that's terrifying
And in the third day "HE" resurrected.
yeah pageau mentioned that there is a connection between carnival and death but he never really followed up on it and that got me worrying about the implications.
it made me think that the 'remedy' for our current state of affairs would have to be something as serious as war or plague and yes that idea really is terrifying.
can you say more about this book you've mentioned?
@@sampearson8651 the author just talks about the "traditional" world versus the modern and how things were done in ancient times and how that was the proper mode of being for man. There's a lot A LOT of talk about symbolism in there as well. The premise is that we're in the Kali Yuga, which is the hindu spiritual dark age and the final age before a particular civilization collapses.
The full title is Revolt Against the Modern World: Politics, Religion and Social Order in the Age of the Kali Yuga. It was written by an Italian man in the 40s
@@Varlwyll thank you
Evola
I’ve recently become obsessed with your vids but this one….Wow! Really blew my mind. I’m going to have to watch it several more times.
Like….everyone in our society glorifies King David and I’ve always found him to be quite revolting. However now, after your depiction of him as the fool….I quite like him. I don’t think it’s that I disliked King David so much but rather, I sensed that he was being misrepresented. As a necessary fool…..I really appreciate his character.
Thank You so much for the clarification
The one building that is all fringe, all ornament is the witch’s gingerbread house. And we all know what happens inside there…
Symbolism of the bow tie... wrong answers only.
ready, set, discuss.
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. (Sorry, that was the right answer.)
Jonathan Pageau hahaha. it’s a speaker girding up their throat loins. That’s anatomically correct. I’m positive. Throat loins are real. Maybe they’re the only thing that’s real
Also, the beard game is getting strong. I’m starting to be able to tell you’re Orthodox from a distance
@@JonathanPageau My God, you might be getting A's on your report card, but you're getting an F on following direction. We want _alternatives_ to the truth; that means bold faced lies. He's (you're) wearing a bowtie for two reasons: One, he's supposed to be wearing a tie (thus it is an act of rebellion (Caesar's wrath will come swiftly!) against the established order & social norms (the archetype of the jester), and, two, it's current year, the present; He is a gift, an offering, the Lamb of God as substitute and sacrifice for the remission of sins.
Basically, _basically,_ the meaning of the bowtie is that he is a gifted orator. _There is a bow on his_ (voice [which cries out from the wilderness]) _box._
The bow tie symbolises the pagan god Rufus who had wings that came from the neck, they were useless wings but it looked cool and got Rufus heaps of snatch
This aged like fine wine.
Satan tries to play the Jacob to Christ's Esau in the wilderness. He tries to trick Christ into trading his "birthright" (his status as the Son of God) for food, power, glory, etc. But Christ is the holy fool who tricks the trickster, overcomes by death he who holds the power of death, and reveals the glory offered to him in the wilderness to be death while transforming death into his own glory.
shotinthedark90 beautifully put. He tricks the trickster yes he does!!!!!
Holy fool? ... I cannot attatch the moniker to God in the flesh
@@drummerboy737 Fool is a relative term. If the wisdom of the world is folly to God, the wisdom of God is folly to the world.
shotinthedark90 totally agree. The wisdom of God is seen as foolishness to those who don't have eyes to see. The moniker "holy fool"is being used to explain this.
And so what and who cares. Back to reality, to plans, dreams and hobbies and trying to working out relationships. All this magical thinking and powers are a laughing stock.
Thank you very much for your research and teachings. I was moved by your speech.
This talk was just magical! ☺️ Thanks Jonathan
'Saskatoon' is an awesome name for anything.
Only Pageau can speak of the metaphysics of poo. He does it apologetically which makes his whole symbolic project approachable and very Canadian? This a great talk.
20:00 the wheel was used by Angel as a representation of themselves in CS Lewis’ Perelandra.
Though it was too much for a human to understand.
Spongebob square paints comes to mind, notably the episode "opposite day". All actions in the world under the sea invert.
I had an epiphany when you talked about lots being the breakdown of reason. The dogma of scientism - the strange faith that is at the heart of the scientistic atheism and religious scientism that we are seeing today - has disguised randomness as reason. They essentially, by saying there is no consciousness, intelligence, or order behind the creation of the universe and living beings, are saying that randomness IS reason. That the highest logic that exists springs out of complete chance (atoms spinning mindlessly, evolution mutating randomly). Our culture, which believes it is living in the Age of Reason, which believes it is enlightened and intelligent, is really worshipping randomness, which they have mistaken for reason. Exactly why the wheel needs to turn - thank you for sharing your wonderful knowledge and understanding!
Jillian Perkins - I see what you mean.... worshipping "randomness" and through that worshipping "anything goes" but then trying to turn it into order by fighting anybody who does not accept this "order of aimless randomness".The big dilemma is 1/if anything goes as all pops up randomly then saying that this is BS is just as valid as any other odd thing that emerges 2/if this new perspective should take everything, you are implementing some kind of order - for what reason? After all everything is equal in its popping up nature..... ;o)
You keep insisting that this is some failure of reason, but this is exactly what one should expect when a culture idolizes the mind.
This isn't splitting hairs. Because as I read you, you want to blame this on chaos, when in fact this is exactly what idolatry of order looks like.
I see where you're coming from --- that all we are is a bunch of atoms that happened to bump in the right manner is "random" compared to the order of Christian cosmology
but I think a more accurate criticism of the "science guys", is that they afford science and reason metaphysical, revelatory power such that "science" is no longer scientific, and "reason" no longer rational. It's not random, but a specific worldview --- what the science guys unanimously seem blind to is that their worldview is no more scientific (in the strict, literal sense of the word) than the religious worldviews they crap on.
atheism itself is leap of faith --- he who orders his life (as much as is possible) through science is an agnostic
that in our evolutionary past we were scurrying around the underbrush like rats is merely the best origin narrative science offers --- yet science guys cling to it with religious zealotry, fiercely opposing breaches of orthodoxy like the concept that, because every complex thing we know the origin of was designed, perhaps the complex things we don't know the origin of were also designed (a perfectly legitimate hypothesis in the spirit of naive science)
the big bang is theorized by stretching mathematical equations back to their theoretical limit, not by any sort of empirical evidence. Yet to the science guy, the big bang _must_ be the start of the cosmos, and exceedingly important questions like, "okay but what about before that?" are brushed off --- of course there was nothing before that. How does nothing become something? You know, science (one among a host of equally lame "scientific" answers).
Find a science guy who believes that these are merely the best narratives scientism can weave currently, and are not scientific fact --- they are few and far between. Find a science guy who can admit that science does nothing to suggest the cosmos is purely material.
There are a host of non-scientific, faith-based presuppositions that go into the science guy worldview - foremost among them, a stubborn blindness to the fact that any of these presuppositions are faith-based. And while lip service is paid to the random, meaninglessness of the cosmos, that is only superficial, reactionary --- beneath that is an ordered worldview. After all, no one can live in a random, meaningless universe.
"Feast of the Ass" is in a sense an inversion by it's name too, when you think about it as a play on words.
*E A T T*
*B U T T*
wow. this one really hit home for me as a dancer and clown myself. So much more clear now. Thank you Jonathan.
Your comment on irony got me thinking of the teenagers I work with. 99% of the the things they say are ironic. Not sure if its the reality of our time or if its just them being teenagers. My sense is that the two stack on top of each other. Which lead to younger people being so overly ironic that it’s difficult to even have a conversation with them.
Sarcasm is one of the lowest form of humour
@jay hi. if every kid engages in it, then how you can judge who among them is 'smart'? Thank you.
Precisely. I am technically Gen Z and I noticed this about MYSELF. There’s a word for it: black humor. We delight in our dying world, everything is a joke, nothing is wholly good or sacred. I’ve only just recently, in the past year, come to realize how much this pattern of speaking and joking was harming me. It isn’t fun to be around, and is also spiritually bankrupt on so many levels.
And I should note by dying world, I mean the perceived dying world. Most Gen Z take this to mean climate change, racism, discrimination etc but I don’t follow that viewpoint anymore
I am here because of JP. I am grateful to be listening to the other JP.
When there is nothing for the rebel to rebel against but rebellion itself. It’s the snake eating it’s own tail. But it’s still a snake. 🐍
VoL. Rebels in Christ turn away from this world. We rebel against Satan by following the Savior.
This was a very good talk and I have never heard of that perspective of King David. God bless and take care.
How can you tell the difference between a cycle of foolishness about to turn towards reason and piety, and the final depraved stage of decline in an empire about to fall?
I think they are different in quantity but not quality --- out of the ashes of the fallen empire, emerges new order
Chris C Okay seems logical, but it’s just not quite as optimistic as the first option.
Couldn't help but think about all the different elements you mention in this lecture that are present in The Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour album
- The cover has The Beatles dressed as animals above a rainbow, the breakdown of white light
- Second song on the album is The Fool On The Hill, which includes the lyric "he never listens to them, he knows that they're the fools. They don't like him..."
-The front half of the album has more fringe songs that are less accessible to the average listener with more nonsensical lyrics and more "noise like" music as opposed to traditional pop melodies but it all builds up to All You Need Is Love, one of the more popular Beatles songs that was performed on the first worldwide broadcast
-Plus this is the last album before the Paul Is Dead conspiracy theory began
I hope you will comment on the "new guy meme" as addressed by Pewdiepie. It was the inversion of the authors intention that made the meme viral.
God bless your heart for this. Thank you for helping us understand.
The Dutch celebrate new years eve with an inordinate amount of firework which explode nearly continuously for about 5 hours.
The normally straight laced Dutch, with their organised cities, descend into smoke and noise for one evening of the opposite.
Interesting.
In II Corinthians chapters 10-12 the Apostle Paul plays the fool. Very interesting to look at in light of your talk.
Holy fools, play for us! 🙏
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52:44 "Why do we need to recognize and pay attention to the fools, for personal enjoyment or so we can leverage their effect?" Because, as Doug Wilson points out in his recent Plodcasts, Christ in Matthew 16 calls the Pharisees and the Sadducees hypocrites because for all their knowledge of the Law they did not grasp the big picture because they did not integrate themselves fully into the Truth of it: they could tell see physical signs and thus predict the physical weather, but could not recognize spiritual signs and predict the movements of Providence in the hearts of men, unlike the Children of Issachar who, we're told in 1st
Chronicles 12:32, were men who understood their times and thus knew what to do in those times. If we want to understand the times in which we live we need to know precisely the kind of cosmology you've laid out here, so we can recognize the signs of where and when we are and thus know where we're going and what we need to do on the way. I keep telling my friends and family they need to watch your channel. I'll be sharing this video around like crazy. Thank you for all you do.
Fascinating! Thank you. Really enjoyed this talk.
The one thing a tyrannical system (which by definition is insecure) cannot abide by is ambiguity. Only the Fool can speak to the King so (his number in the Tarot is Zero, he stands outside of the System), although his position is tenuous. Observe which systems around you cannot tolerate ambiguity and there you have found your new master.
I just got to part where you talk about Halloween being one of these festivals and that people probably don't do the remembrance of the dead along with it. I actually wonder about that. Halloween is probably the biggest of these in secular culture. Its celebrated second only to Christmas in the States, I think. I've noticed a slowly increasing embrace of the Mexican day of the dead in the past few years. It's usually presented as cultural inclusion, but I wonder if we just need something like it today. For example, my daughter's secular preschool had the kids all bring in a photo if a deceased family member (or pet if the child didn't know a family member who had passed). It's been a few years, but she still asks to make an altar at Halloween. She also really likes the movie Coco, so I'm sure that has something to do with it.
„The holy fools, not the regular fools.“ - Fools
I enjoyed watching this. Thank you.
Not far from where my father used to live there is a place where traditionalist Jews came to celebrate once a year. Though it wasn't a day, it was at least a week, according to him. They believed that they are forbidden to do ANY kind of work during this time, so the place would drown in the garbage and worse by the end of festivities. All kinds of night butterflies were gathering from across the land there because the celebrants spent a lot of money left and right. In general, the stories he told me about what was happening there left an uneasy impression on me. Watching humans indulge themselves in festivities without restrain is not pretty.
Hello from Saskatoon! Thanks for this talk
I couldn’t be any more serious when I say that I need you to do an analysis of the symbolism in eiichiro odas one piece. It was my craving to better understand this narrative which weaves our human history, religious/mythological tales, and an original take on the archetypal story of the hero that brought me to your channel. I think you could do it justice and potentially attract a large shared audience who would benefit from something like that.
Laughter and everything that a fool or trickster makes you do or does, brings about a catharsis, which is a form of purification, so the fool can work as a doctor in a sense, curing illnesses that are at the very edge through catharsis of breathing, gestures and sounds (laughter) or catharsis of movement through acrobatic type of movements that take you to the extreme without going as far as injuring the person.
I teach and practice a sport that is called TRICKING and it's all about acrobatics and kicks in the air without an actual target to kick, and I see how most of the people who practice the sport, are outcasts who nobody understands, and through this sport they find some ground in a community so they don't go insane for feeling so in the edge.
I always saw a link between these carnivals and Saturnalia myself. I think your Notre Dame example illustrates this the best.
Great timing for God’s genius!
so interesting! Thank you for sharing this talk.
Très apprécié M. Pageau; cela m'a fait réfléchir.
Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda both live in wasteland/caves, are referred to or appear as sorcerers/foolish (yoda most obviously) , leave no body at death, are rebels to an empire that mocks/fears/hunts them, have hidden knowledge/power, and are father figures to an orphan whose father is "the flipped" Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker, etc...
simply profound to focus our eyes on the unexpected topic (70% of the way into your lecture).
Fantastic. And not just for the bow tie.
And the joke is on us if we believe 'Yeezus' is a Christian
I'm going to wait and see what happens with him. No judgments.
@@tobiahtoviyahgoodnessof349 i think he was talking about kanye bro.
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Thank You for the correction sibling.
Love and kindest of regards from afar
Behold for Thy Soul can neither be bought
Nor sold at any price or cost.
He's claimed Christianity since he came out, so I'm not sure about his "recent conversion"
Life is one big stage. Enjoy the show. Love we'll manafest
God told Adam to keep watch/guard over the garden/sanctuary as Yeshua told the disciples in the garden, both consumed fruit (ie, fruit of the vine, which in some traditions say was the forbidden fruit) and let the enemy in, and were ashamed/naked. This goes along with the priestly warning to not fall asleep during watch in the sanctuary or the chief priest may come as a thief in the night and you lose your garments/glory as a sign of shame.
The menorah in the holy place used old priestly garments as wicks for light in the sanctuary showing the symbolic link between the priestly garments and clothed in glory as the angels are described as wearing and Paul speaks of believers clothed in glory in the resurrection. The shroud of Turin seems to be a material token of this promise. See the post about the Apostolic discourse on the Shroud on the blog linked atop my channel for new analysis.
I live in saskatoon. If I had known you were coming I would have attended
Thank you for CAPTIONS. HELPS EVERYONE.
“He married ahhh... very strange lady”
😆
So polite, so polite👏🏼
What was Dadaism other than turning the self-serious art-world upside-down?
And now almost the whole art-world is Dadaist. And they take themselves more serious than ever.
I'd be afraid to attend a Pageau lecture, because I know when he inevitably mentions _The Feast of the Ass_ , I'd burst out laughing, and the people around me would look at me like I'm a moron
"When ignorance destroys culture, monsters will emerge." -Jordan B. Peterson
I don't know, Kanye's Donda is the most powerful Christian art I've seen in my lifetime, hands down. It is absolutely beautiful. Heaven and Hell is the most visceral and intense anthem of all those trying to maintain sanity in this lion's den
That was very enlightening. Thank you !
Excellent work brother. Keep it up.
In listening to this wonderful (in multiple senses of that word) talk, it occurred to me that perhaps one of the definitions of a Totalitarian system could be that it is one whose leaders have succeeded at throttling the Holy Fool to death in the cradle.
Oncunnynge: Medieval term applied to the Fool.
From which comes the word cunning.
It meant the wisdom and truth that comes through madness - a gift of the divine.
The fool is my favorite archetypical figure.
Thank you. That was eye opening lecture on the venerated holy fools. I never fully understood their role in the bigger picture, despite living in Russia all my life and even referencing their agiography almost every time while defending the Orthodox faith from the nondenominational protestants' accusations.
In tarot the fool represents every individual, the individual self. We are inherently fools because we're not omniscient in normal states.
"In the garden of Eden, man brings death from glory.
But Christ brings glory out of death."
Does the medieval map have a name? It's beautiful. I would love to try to find a print.
I'm not sure about this specific map, but if you're searching for something similar, mappa mundi is the name for Medieval world maps like this. The Hereford mappa mundi is probably the most famous one and also has the East on top with at its extreme Eden, like the map Jonathan uses here.
@@mvdbergrede Thank you so much! I will be looking into that!
The map is called The Psalter World Map. I was able to find it on fineartamerica.com.
I'm from Norwich :D always nice to hear a mention in videos (I had no idea about the Helter Skelter).... It's pronounced Norrich by the way (if you think that's bad you should try some of the other places near by Wymondham (pronounced Windum) or Costessey (pronounced Cossey))
Great lecture. I think it is interesting how these various carnivals are supposed to remind/lead us to death yet secular society, despite its inclinations towards destructive habits and policies, is so adverse to the concept of death (ex. 'celebrations of life' over funerals) though they partake in the carnival spirit. Might this be as an excuse or escape from reality? I think we see the world turned and fixed upside down.
Also my mind is blown by your association of Christ with the fool. Its amazing how obvious and clear it now seems; something that had always been there right in front of me but I had not thought all the way through.
Jonny P lookin dapper as heck with that bowtie
Merci Jonathan
This reminds me of a Hunter S Thompson quote from Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas...
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"
Excellent Jonathan!
Here in NYC they have made some churches clothing stores. It makes me reconsider my nonbeliever position.
Best talk so far, thanks
'We're going to have dessert first' - upside-down indeed.
I understand that Halloween became an inversion or Christianity, but Halloween originated in Ireland in pre Christian times. So was it an inversion of pagan religions or did it only become an inversion when Christianity was introduced.
Thank you.
The whole Saul and David part at 42:20. Wasn't Saul hunting David...lol (much Like Saul was persecuting Christians) and in the cave, hiding to protect himself in his vulnerability, becomes completely vulnerable, as David had full opportunity to kill him. Instead he cuts Sauls garment. And when Saul discovers that David spared him, he stops hunting David. Much like Saul in the NT, Christ meets him, could have killed him, but instead makes him blind and vulnerable, eventually restoring him and granting him life as Paul. Just saying.
The poop emoji?! Scatological references? Oh my, we are getting to the nitty gritty here.
This reminds of the pattern on the song from Elvis Costello’s album King of America(poking fun at himself using Elvis Presley’s name, “I’ll Wear it Proudly”. I do not believe he is a Holy Fool but plays a part in presenting a mirror to the culture in a slightly humbling place of “I am the a fool”. His lyrics say it all but more about a new love. Ironically on the album cover backside is the same pic as the front (crown) but him wearing the fools hat. Wonder if he understands this symbolism to you Jonathon?
Awesome speech, I'm a fan now :)
Bravo Jonathan.
Isn't the imagery of the world as a Carnival motif strongly drawn out by John Bunyan's Pilgrims Progress in how the Believer must inevitably travel thru 'Vanity Fair' (the city of continual partying & ruin of Souls) on the Path to the Celestial City ?
We still have the Feast of Fools. We just call it the White House Correspondence Dinner.
Wow, Ive actually been thinking about the Heyoka a lot lately. Whenever you talked about the fool in the past, thats the character that I would always think of.
Standing Bear same