Thanks Myra for keeping this all together with George and with Emma Smart of Replanet. (How could we forget Insulate Britain!). This is one heck of a team! Thanks so much Ekomodernisterna, RePlanet, RebootFood for a compelling presentation
@@matthewrowe9903 @Keljulvan Buy the book; all the references are in there. This is very much about facts. He is very much critical and skeptical also about the potential solutions he proposes.
I made the mistake of looking for the numbers he bases his theories on .seems many of them are not exactly scientifically valid . If you want to have a delve into the murk start with the Oxford study of GHG emissions from food ,the lead author was a prof Scarborough.
I've been working with the Ecological Footprint, the basis of Overshoot Day. A measure that accounts for agricultural land, and a matrix of bioproductive land types. Worth knowing of, in association with what George Monbiot is speaking to.
Nature seems other worldly. But for generations going back thousands of years, people have managed the land. Cultivating medicine, food, and other plants. They created gardens among forests, forests are gardens made by other animals. Now we don't manage it well, we let some places be taken over by an invasive species and we ourselves invade. The fact that species are going extinct is disturbing on an ancestral level.
I really sense that there will be huge socioeconomic prejudice, where only poor folks are willing to pay for bacterial meat. And i don't even want to consider eating something like that regularly, for several reasons!
No talk of B12, gut microbiome, risk of deficiencies and their impact on our mental and physical health. Very dangerous advice from people who haven't studied nutritional science
B12 is easily available to be purchased as a suppliment, not sure what you're saying with gut microbiome, but I'm certain you can have a good microbiome with plantbased or precision fermented products
@@Pan_Paniscus Human health is very dependent on a healthy gut. The gut powers the nervous system and brain via the vagus nerve. Very little is studied or understood by medical science because they eliminate the study of nutritional health. Doctors do not know much about vitamins and minerals. To be healthy, the gut needs microbial diversity. Humans are mostly microbes. We literally exist because of the power of the earth and obtain the earths power through plants and animals that graze on the earth and absorb B12. If our gut can only depend on plants, we are depriving it of microbial diversity in the form of a variety of animal species who have grazed on a variety of farmland and greenery. They will get B12 from eating grass and grazing. Without B12 we can die. Supplementation is therefore absolutely essential. To date, I have never heard George Monbiot raise this issue. I wonder how long he's been vegan. It's idealism without the facts. It's very dangerous.
@@munkami I do agree that maybe it should be mentioned, there is so much to go through though. On the gut-biome topic, there are already many ways of getting microbial diversity as a plant eater in form of fermented plants, wholegrains, legumes probiotic supplimennts etc. shouldn't that be enough? When I look up gut health, the general consensus is that meat is bad for gut health and plants are good. There is probably a sweet spot where meat can be good for the gut health aswell, but what do I know? 😅
Years ago it was said there were vast herds of bison that took days to filter past in a continuous stream and yet there was by all accounts less pollution. There are problems with all farming..not just live stock since some of the worst eutrophication is caused by vegetable farming and the related run off. I disagree with the premise live stock farming is that harmful..would George have us eating insects with Bill Gates? I am a regenerative farmer and I am tired of people like George, with next to zero actual farming experience, telling everyone else how rubbish farmers are. He talks pretty, but honestly does this mean he is right?
Yes there are vast numbers of bison but I don’t think they were in the billions the way they are nowadays. If you’re asking whether he is right, can you tell me in what respects he is wrong? Genuinely interested.
I did a long reply but it disappeared. I didn't say he was wrong, merely that I disagree. How many transport miles has george racked up talking about climate change, but it's farmers right, meat eaters.not academic commentators or vegans? His argument is too simplistic imo and has many flaws, not least being no one can prove Climate change is happening! We can only observe and comment on our small piece of history amid a massive time scale. How do we know warming and cooling isn't just some natural.cycle that is meant to happen, just as I breathe in I must breathe out. Do we need to address some models of farming? Yes I think we do! Should we lump people like Gabe Brown in with the mega cow sheds? Because that is what's happening. I would suggest Gabe, a cattle rancher in the USA, has done more to actually help the planet than someone vibrating the air with opinion and going around the world in fossil.fuel or child labour based transport. What would Allan Savory say about George?. Allan being someone that has studied complex systems like grassland and herd management. Over simplification is a mental illness and it's mental illness causing our problems, ie there is a virus,.let's all take a jab and not worry why a novel pathogen is impacting us,.but it is easier to blame a sector and an animal that can't communicate than it is to admit that many ideas are worthless and the solutions presented are so painful we are making matters worse for most. Intentions aside, no one knows what will happen if we get rid of the cattle farms, for sure we will need Justus Von Liebig's synthetic manures to feed the vegans then. Why get Nitrogen from a cow when we can burn the planet with hauber Bosch.? We recently followed the science, and look what happened. People are controlling narratives and I have no reason to imagine this Climate thing is any different..it is a market place, and vehicle for wealth extraction and George is helping it along while seemingly being untouched by the very thing he is proposing. People who consume more than they ought, are often found telling those who is who aren't, what we ought to be doing.
He has no credibility whatsoever, apart with the wide eyed zealots and climate crisis activists. So anti farming ,its beyond belief. Back to the stone age for you and me but never for them. No animals therefor no natural manure. Animals eat grass and emissions are a biocycle and it is totally wrong to focus on emissions and not their reorbsorption into the soil. Crazy attackon food production. Most land is marginal and is only fit to grow grass.. His policies would lead to mass starvation.
George is wrong. Animal agriculture can be utilised to regenerate farmland if animals are grazed in a manner similar to natural patterns. Eat meat, be healthy, restore the land.
He isn’t making sense 38percent of the land is farmed ,3 percent of the land is wetlands .the largest source of methane to the atmosphere is the wetlands .yet the solution is to convert farmland to wetlands to reduce emissions.wouldn’t it be wiser and easier to drain the wetland and curb their emissions?
@@blahdelablah no I don’t know whether they are leather and maybe they’re not but I did ask the question. I love him but he can’t say he’s a vegan if he buys leather I’m afraid.
Thanks Myra for keeping this all together with George and with Emma Smart of Replanet. (How could we forget Insulate Britain!). This is one heck of a team! Thanks so much Ekomodernisterna, RePlanet, RebootFood for a compelling presentation
We need more Monbiots!
Oh god get a room rettch !!@
No we do not! Communists are bad for your health.
@@matthewrowe9903 lol
You're my top environmental celebrity, Go George!
And mine!
Such an inspirational talk 🙂
These talks often mention numbers and refer to specific studies. It would be great to have links to these studies in the video description.
Shhh they are not going to show you sources lol this was never about facts
@@matthewrowe9903 @Keljulvan Buy the book; all the references are in there. This is very much about facts. He is very much critical and skeptical also about the potential solutions he proposes.
I made the mistake of looking for the numbers he bases his theories on .seems many of them are not exactly scientifically valid .
If you want to have a delve into the murk start with the Oxford study of GHG emissions from food ,the lead author was a prof Scarborough.
Amazing event, incredible George as usual!
Excellent talk! I feel inspired to start changing things. :)
I've been working with the Ecological Footprint, the basis of Overshoot Day. A measure that accounts for agricultural land, and a matrix of bioproductive land types. Worth knowing of, in association with what George Monbiot is speaking to.
Great news. How soon can it be done? 6 months 1 year 2 or 3 or more. I believe my marmite is already made this way. Time to buy shares in this?
Marmite !not for everyone.
I had the experience of talking to GM many years ago, he love science up to the point of ecological overshoot, then goes full ideological.
2:52 interview
Nature seems other worldly. But for generations going back thousands of years, people have managed the land. Cultivating medicine, food, and other plants. They created gardens among forests, forests are gardens made by other animals. Now we don't manage it well, we let some places be taken over by an invasive species and we ourselves invade. The fact that species are going extinct is disturbing on an ancestral level.
Oh no moonbott what an expert
I really sense that there will be huge socioeconomic prejudice, where only poor folks are willing to pay for bacterial meat. And i don't even want to consider eating something like that regularly, for several reasons!
Tony Seba concurs ua-cam.com/video/g6gZHbfK8Vo/v-deo.html
"We need to" translates from communist tyrant to "I want to force you to" in normal human speech
No talk of B12, gut microbiome, risk of deficiencies and their impact on our mental and physical health.
Very dangerous advice from people who haven't studied nutritional science
What about B12, do you have reason to suspect B12 will be hard to replicate using precision fermentation?
B12 is easily available to be purchased as a suppliment, not sure what you're saying with gut microbiome, but I'm certain you can have a good microbiome with plantbased or precision fermented products
@@blahdelablah Yes very much so. B12 is obtained from the soil, it's an earth-bound amino acid and essential nutrient. Without
it, we can die.
@@Pan_Paniscus Human health is very dependent on a healthy gut. The gut powers the nervous system and brain via the vagus nerve. Very little is studied or understood by medical science because they eliminate the study of nutritional health. Doctors do not know much about vitamins and minerals.
To be healthy, the gut needs microbial diversity. Humans are mostly microbes. We literally exist because of the power of the earth and obtain the earths power through plants and animals that graze on the earth and absorb B12. If our gut can only depend on plants, we are depriving it of microbial diversity in the form of a variety of animal species who have grazed on a variety of farmland and greenery. They will get B12 from eating grass and grazing.
Without B12 we can die. Supplementation is therefore absolutely essential.
To date, I have never heard George Monbiot raise this issue. I wonder how long he's been vegan.
It's idealism without the facts. It's very dangerous.
@@munkami I do agree that maybe it should be mentioned, there is so much to go through though. On the gut-biome topic,
there are already many ways of getting microbial diversity as a plant eater in form of fermented plants, wholegrains, legumes probiotic supplimennts etc. shouldn't that be enough?
When I look up gut health, the general consensus is that meat is bad for gut health and plants are good.
There is probably a sweet spot where meat can be good for the gut health aswell, but what do I know? 😅
Years ago it was said there were vast herds of bison that took days to filter past in a continuous stream and yet there was by all accounts less pollution.
There are problems with all farming..not just live stock since some of the worst eutrophication is caused by vegetable farming and the related run off.
I disagree with the premise live stock farming is that harmful..would George have us eating insects with Bill Gates?
I am a regenerative farmer and I am tired of people like George, with next to zero actual farming experience, telling everyone else how rubbish farmers are. He talks pretty, but honestly does this mean he is right?
Yes there are vast numbers of bison but I don’t think they were in the billions the way they are nowadays.
If you’re asking whether he is right, can you tell me in what respects he is wrong? Genuinely interested.
I did a long reply but it disappeared. I didn't say he was wrong, merely that I disagree. How many transport miles has george racked up talking about climate change, but it's farmers right, meat eaters.not academic commentators or vegans? His argument is too simplistic imo and has many flaws, not least being no one can prove Climate change is happening! We can only observe and comment on our small piece of history amid a massive time scale. How do we know warming and cooling isn't just some natural.cycle that is meant to happen, just as I breathe in I must breathe out. Do we need to address some models of farming? Yes I think we do! Should we lump people like Gabe Brown in with the mega cow sheds? Because that is what's happening. I would suggest Gabe, a cattle rancher in the USA, has done more to actually help the planet than someone vibrating the air with opinion and going around the world in fossil.fuel or child labour based transport.
What would Allan Savory say about George?. Allan being someone that has studied complex systems like grassland and herd management.
Over simplification is a mental illness and it's mental illness causing our problems, ie there is a virus,.let's all take a jab and not worry why a novel pathogen is impacting us,.but it is easier to blame a sector and an animal that can't communicate than it is to admit that many ideas are worthless and the solutions presented are so painful we are making matters worse for most.
Intentions aside, no one knows what will happen if we get rid of the cattle farms, for sure we will need Justus Von Liebig's synthetic manures to feed the vegans then.
Why get Nitrogen from a cow when we can burn the planet with hauber Bosch.? We recently followed the science, and look what happened.
People are controlling narratives and I have no reason to imagine this Climate thing is any different..it is a market place, and vehicle for wealth extraction and George is helping it along while seemingly being untouched by the very thing he is proposing.
People who consume more than they ought, are often found telling those who is who aren't, what we ought to be doing.
He has no credibility whatsoever, apart with the wide eyed zealots and climate crisis activists.
So anti farming ,its beyond belief.
Back to the stone age for you and me but never for them.
No animals therefor no natural manure.
Animals eat grass and emissions are a biocycle and it is totally wrong to focus on emissions and not their reorbsorption into the soil.
Crazy attackon food production.
Most land is marginal and is only fit to grow grass..
His policies would lead to mass starvation.
George is wrong. Animal agriculture can be utilised to regenerate farmland if animals are grazed in a manner similar to natural patterns.
Eat meat, be healthy, restore the land.
He isn’t making sense 38percent of the land is farmed ,3 percent of the land is wetlands .the largest source of methane to the atmosphere is the wetlands .yet the solution is to convert farmland to wetlands to reduce emissions.wouldn’t it be wiser and easier to drain the wetland and curb their emissions?
I love George but didn’t I see he was wearing leather shoes?
Your point being?
How do you know they were made from real leather? Also, what if they were second hand, would you have the same objections then?
@@blahdelablah no I don’t know whether they are leather and maybe they’re not but I did ask the question. I love him but he can’t say he’s a vegan if he buys leather I’m afraid.
@@rhessex that vegans don’t wear leather. Leather covers from the exploitation of cows and is a bi-product of the beef industry.
@@juliewake4585 How would you feel if his shoes material was derived from fossil fuels?
We don't want your GMOs George.