The hand allowed Jack to find the Doctor in the episode *Utopia.* Without Jack and his immortality, the rocket never would have launched, but the Master remembering who he was would still be a possibility. (The ramifications of Harold Saxon not existing are too great. I think he might've assisted in shooting down the Racnoss' 'webstar'.) Without the hand, the Doctor would have regenerated in *Stolen Earth* after being struck down by a Dalek during his reunion with Rose. And lastly, we wouldn't have the Metacrisis Doctor or Doctor Donna in *Journey's End* and the Tardis would have been incinerated along with Donna on the Dalek ship, leaving everyone stranded onboard. Hypothetically speaking, if some miracle did save the Doctor and his companions, but the Metacrisis Doctor never existed, then Donna would be allowed to keep her memories and then there's the possibility of Rose returning. I feel that Donna would get along with Rose for the most part, but she might end up feeling like a third wheel seeing the Doctor and Rose being all lovey-dovey. She might leave of her own accord as Martha did, feeling that she doesn't 'need' the Doctor anymore to know how brilliant she is. Returning home with a renewed zest for life, she'll quickly land a job, find a husband through said job. And every now and then she'll meet Wilfred on the hill and recount her adventures, making him feel fulfilled by knowing of the limitless possibilities that lie beyond the stars.
@@dawnwayfinder Thank you for your thoughts, but I think it's much more complicated than that. The Master couldn't have had returned back to the past without the TARDIS and if he'd found another way, he wouldn't had been that limited with his target year. He couldn't remember being the Master anyway, without Martha reminding him of the Chameleon Arch. Without the whole Harald Saxon plot Martha wouldn't have left the Doctor so easily and Donna wouldn't be his Companion - especially because the connection between her and the Doctor, which depended on the Metacrisis wouldn't have happened! Martha had stayed his companion a while longer, the Tenth Doctor would had never ended up in the Space Titanic, never met Mr. Copper whom he rescued to earth and who funded the Subwave network. The Tenth Doctor would've never found the lost Planets in Time and if he had, he would have become the Eleventh Doctor. And so on and so on...
It would be possible that Matt wouldn't have been the last regeneration but him not losing his had doesn't me he wouldn't still get shot by the dalek but there wouldn't be something he could filter the remaining regeneration energy into so he would of had to make the ultimate decision die or fully regenerate into a new person
Heres some I always like to think about: - What if Tom Baker was in the 5 doctors? - What if Chris Eccleston was in Day of the Doctor? - What if Matt Smith would of stayed on for Series 8? - What if there was a 10 year anniversary special for modern who?
@LittleRedRhuari RRR the Chris Eccleston in Day of the Doctor would have been a big one - the knock on effects would have been tremendous, since Matt Smith wouldn't have become the Doctor's final incarnation (ignoring the Timeless Child, which can't be considered here because it was not even conceived at the time)
@@oswin1234 except Eccelston is post time war, it would still be pointless. because it would make the doctor that fought in the time war EIGHTH not ninth, it would also be a kick in the teeth to the classic who fans because it would be only modern who. and the show was the FIFYTH anniversary, not the EIGHTH!
@@julieeverett7442, it sounds as though you haven't really read my comment. I never said that Eccleston should have fought in the Time War, merely that had he done so (per Moffats original plans) the knock on effects would have be massive. This entire video is a "what if?" and we happen to know that Moffat wanted Eccleston to be the Time War Doctor
@@oswin1234Had Hartnell stayed on, it would probably have ended around 67-68. The show's ratings declined sharply in his final season and while they improved under Troughton, as much owing to the revamped monster-friendly format of the series, there's no way of telling how they would have fared had Hartnell stayed on. Remember, a second Dalek film had come out in 66 and the BBC had no way of knowing that would be the last. Recasting the lead was a last desperate throw of the dice in case the films continued and the merchandise stream would be a vital source of revenue for the publicly-funded beeb. It's forgotten that the BBC were giving serious consideration to cancelling the show in 81. We only learned about it a year or so afterwards. Now, there's a what-if!
@@normanby100 it probably would have still returned at some point had it been cancelled in 1981, as 18 years is still a massive length of time for a show to go on. Had Hartnell stayed I think we'd be looking at Doctor Who as that strange oddity from the sixties. It is ultimately only through the concept of regeneration that the show survives
@dr103 Yeah I know that but you have got to admit that the seasons that Chibnall aren't that great because of his writting less and less people are watching the show. And you can't say that is a good thing can you
@@henryhenze7146 It just strikes me as weird that McGann would only agree to appear in the short episode Night of the Doctor if he had a chance to be in the special?
The biggest what if: McGann stared in the reboot. Leave Eccleston’s costume, shorter hair, new TARDIS, TimeWar, etc. Just write it for 8th’s character. Big Finish has proved just how great a Doctor he is.
What if Christopher Eccleston has stayed on for a second series? I know a lot of fans go to sleep crying at the idea Eccleston could have stayed on but if you think about it the revival probably wouldn’t have lasted very long with him as the sole doctor. Eccleston made the show a hit but Tennant made it a phenomenon and if Eccleston had stayed on the show probably wouldn’t have made its way across the pond and become world renowned and could have just died a couple of seasons later. I also think that if Eccleston has stayed in and had gone through the same events Tennant did such as losing Rose then the audience would have come to know him in such a deeply personal way that him regenerating would have probably meant the show died. Eccleston was big yes but he wasn’t around long enough for the audience to feel disgusted at the idea of the main character changing and the odds are that the young bouncy characterisation of the Doctor which Tennant brought in wouldn’t have given Moffat the confidence to cast Matt smith meaning we could have had a Doctor which everyone hated meaning Doctor Who would just die and be remembered a lot worse than people remembered it in the nineties. I love Eccleston as much as the next man but if he stayed on then the odds are that we wouldn’t have had the show we have today.
I suppose it's the same as when William Hartnell regenerated for the first time. Everybody thought he was going to be the sole Doctor, but he left and the re-cast may not have worked after people liked him too much, but luckily it did. Also who is to say the show wouldn't have carried on just because David Tennant woudn't have taken over the role? They had no choice but to re-cast after all and Tennant wasn't the biggest name in the world at the time. ( neither was Eccleston at the time to be fair)
I disagree. There wasn't enough time between the airing of Season One, him leaving, and the show spreading overseas to be able to gauge how much Eccleston vs Tennant was paramount in Doctor Who's second Golden Age. Tennant brought a different energy for a different crowd, and that certainly kept the show afloat with Chris' departure. But given a few seasons of RTD writing stories for Nine's strengths (as we already saw Tennant having to deal with the first few Eccleston scripts for Season Two in real life before they adapted to David's interpretation) and I believe the show would have been equally successful. Perhaps even moreso overseas, simply because Chris had already worked in Hollywood movies in the 90's, and was thus more exposed to American audiences at the time (though only barely, thanks to Gone in 60 Seconds). Also, I sincerely doubt Chris would stay longer than Billie. So in this scenario we get him for another season at max.
@LittleRedRhuari RRR Exactly. In the first series of the revival you are introduced to every core concept of the show in a natural way. The only major thing you don't see are the Time Lords and that really was the point, since they bog the show down tremendously
@@oswin1234 Though I do agree to a point with you and LittleRedRhuari RRR, the only reason they had him regenerate is because Chris had already left the role. Tennant filmed his scenes much later and I believe they had all intentions to keep Chris on for another series. It would have also been quite exciting to see a regeneration for the first time (if you had not watched the classic series) after spending so long with Chris. Chris has also gone one to say he would have tried to improve his performance in series 2 meaning even he had no intentions of leaving when he first joined
@@millieoshie sometimes things do work out for the best though. I think having the Doctor regenerate so soon solidified the concept into the audience's mind early enough that they weren't attached to Chris and still willing to accept it
I still remember the very first shot of Doctor Who I ever saw. That being in the episode Dalek, where the said creature first says the word “Doctor...”
the first shot of doctor who was in season 4 first part of the finally, where Ten is shot by the dalek. It is a weird thing, i thought i saw the end of the show because i saw the main die
The first shot I ever saw was of a large potato creature chasing after a woman and licking his lips. The terrible makeup and FX put me completely off until the 2005 revival.
I'm actually really glad that Matt Smith came in when he did because David Tennant's main companion was Rose, his doctor had an attachment to roast so I honestly don't think Amy Pond's story would have had the same effect on all of us if it was same doctor new companion but to have new the version of the Doctor Who we've never seen with companions get attached to this companion it's really good. In my opinion it would have been kind of like another Rose scenario and I don't think David's doctor would have been able to get attached to Amy Pond the way that Matt's doctor was able to
to be fair tho i think no one could picture it now because amy and 11 are so iconic together. It's entirely possible 10 and amy could've worked keeping the same tone its just difficult to picture.
@@paddystrongjaw9995 for me it's the way their characters were written, I think they just mess way better with 10. I can't see Matt Smith's zaniness matching up with Donna that well. It might be funny but I just don't see it working to the extent that it did with David Tennant
Here's one that has been on my mind since the end of series of 4: What if Donna Noble had staid on into series 5? What if Donna had found a way to retain all the knowledge of the Doctor without it harming her? 0.o
Series 5. Then The Office US wouldn't have Nellie Bertram. (I hate Nellie). I really want to see Nellie interact with Ninth. She is way better than Rose (I tolerated her in S1 but she became unbearable in S2) and was my favorite until Clara came.
Imagine if Amy meets The Doctor when he's the 10th but then as he travels "for a few minutes" he regens and appears in the future and needs to convince Amy that he's the same raggedy man.
I think you missed the fact that Tom Baker might not have been cast as the fourth doctor. They were thinking of having an older actor again, which is why the character of Harry Sullivan existed. His role sure would've been different if it were alongside an elderly 4th doctor.
It wasn't just Doctor Who that didn't "make the Grade" - the first thing he did was cancel season three of 'The Tripods' - simply because it was sci-fi, which he hated. The ratings were quite respectable, but he didn't care - meaning that the cliffhanger ending to season two was never resolved.
@@paddystrongjaw9995 Ew. I hate the loose canon reconstructions. I'd recommend the audios and the animation over that. They choose some of the stupidest faces for those recons. Lol. If you enjoy it tho, good for you. Not trying to rag on you personally,
In one of his last interviews (2001 or 2002) John Nathan-Turner stated that he asked to leave twice before 1989 (in 1983 making The Five Doctors his last story and in 1986 after being forced to tell Colin that he was being sacked). Both times he was told that they couldn't find a replacement for him. it was only in 1989 that he told them he was leaving. even if they didn't use him again. What if Chritopher Ecclestone had stayed for another year of two or appeared with David and Matt? No War Doctor and Matt wouldn't have been the last in his regeneration cycle. Peter Capaldi would be the thirteenth Doctor. Would David Tennant ever would have become the wonderful tenth Doctor?
"Cue Chibnall jokes" YUP!!! I'd love it if they got Toby Whithouse to be showrunner instead of Chibs. I've always wnjoyed his eps of Doctor Who and Being Human was a pretty great scifi show so I'd be interested in seeing that
Yeah, Doinkadect -- "oof" is right. The good part about Robert Holmes as a writer was that he had a genuine love for Victorian/Edwardian Adventure fiction...which is, as THE TALONS OF WENG-CHIANG shows us, the bad part too! I will never forget he originally wrote Sarah Jane Smith to make fun of feminism -- only to have the character, and Elizabeth Sladen's portrayal, turn around on him and work so brilliantly she's become one of the best, if not The Best, Companion ever. He's a very talented writer who didn't seem to realize what he found annoying everybody else loved, and a lot of what he loved...had issues....
Even if the master was completely written off as DEAD and not being able to regenerate , the reboot would have bought him back . 'Somehow' . Lets say the master died completely then the reboot would have been like " wooowhoooooo, , i am back and not DEAD as you can see ". And the doctor be like "I KNEW IT" , this guy would't die so easily . I mean he is The Master .
Hell, they did exactly that in the classic series anyway. The Master was completely dead at the end of 'Planet of Fire'... the next year he waltzes into 'The Mark of the Rani', and when the Rani says, "I thought you were dead," he just says, "I'm indestructible, the whole universe knows that."
Must be honest, I'm glad we didn't get a '96 revival. The movie was alright, but I don't want an Americanised Doctor Who, the furthest I'll let production go is to Cardiff, maybe Ireland.
I'm American myself, and I can definitely agree to that. I remember watching Torchwood: Miracle Day... I'm sorry but I just could not get into it. Perhaps it wasn't to bad, but I'm pretty sure I jumped ship mid series on that one.
I just wish that they would have made the Doctor ginger since it has been a running thread since Tennant took over in Series 2. I know that it would have been impossible but I think Karen Gillan as the Doctor instead of a Jodie would have been awesome!!
Id change the fact that the doctor is now "the timeless child" to the master being i dick head and telling her that because it would ruin her, or the master is instead the timeless child and thats why he destroyed galefrey, and instead said that the doctor is so he can get over the fact his life was a lie.
I left it for the longest time (I watched Jodie's first two episodes when they came out but lost interest), and finally got around to it during quarantine. The odd episodes were fine (I quite enjoyed the Rosa Parks one) but oof it went down like the Titanic so quickly at the end. Wish I hadn't watched it to be honest. 🤷
@@emma-spookyghost I haven't watched all of Jodies episodes yet. The most episodes i've seen are meh but i wanted to agree that the rosa parks episode was indeed really good! My fave 13 episode til now
William Hartnell was originally going to have his character's appearance altered in the Celestial Toymaker in 1966. This was replaced with the vague, unexplained phasing sequence that was eventually explained as regeneration. If the original proposal had been taken, doctor who would likely have only ever had 2 lead actors.
Oh and what would I change? I'd let Capaldi's doctor shout expletives at people whenever they're being idiotic, just as his character in In The Loop does. Half the time the expression on his face has you believe he just might!
I use to work at the bbc for about 3 years and left recently. I worked closely with assistant producers and after the 1st of Jodie Whitakers the head ups really regretted giving christ chibnall something like a 5 season contract.
Okay, in response to some of these: 10. Robert Holmes has made several contributions to the show; he introduced a lot of things that have appeared and been mentioned quite a bit throughout the show. Along with the Autons and the Sontarans, some of them were The Third Doctor, his companions Liz, Jo and Sarah Jane, The Master, Romana (one of the Fourth Doctor’s companions, just in case you didn’t know) and the Time Lords’ limit of having 13 incarnations and 12 regenerations. 8. At the start of Scream of the Shalka, the Doctor appeared to be yelling about not wanting to be on Earth and so there are thoughts that he was working for the Time Lords in this. Also, Mark Gatiss has worked on Doctor Who as far back as the 1990s and once played him in a sort of spoof called The Web of Caves. 7. John Nathan-Turner was involved in having K-9 and the Sonic Screwdriver removed from the show (The Doctor had the sonic starting with his second incarnation and continued on using it until a few serials into his Fifth incarnation when it got destroyed, but was later brought back in the TV movie) and he was quite recognised at fan conventions he attended. 6. The cat burglar that would've been the Seventh Doctor’s latest companion after Ace was called Raine Creevy. Also, there have been several actors that have worked on both Doctor Who and the Harry Potter films (most notably David Tennant who also worked on Scream of the Shalka) and it was actually supposed to imply (and not explicitly reveal) that that's what the Doctor was (and it's pronounced O-ma-ga). 5. I for one actually quite liked the TV movie. 4. It was Intended to have The Final Game reveal that The Master was actually The Doctor’s brother (Dun, dun, dunnnn), a concept that has been somewhat teased throughout the show (John Nathan-Turner even claimed that he thought this is true). Also, the Master being written out of the show was to have been that he intended to set off a bomb to try and kill The Doctor. However, he would’ve ended up feeling some remorse about doing this (because of their relationship) and then died sacrificing his life saving The Doctor. 2. I’ve seen both of the movies that recreated The Doctor’s first two encounters with the Daleks (which were called Doctor Who and the Daleks and Dalek Invasion Earth 2150AD) and quite liked them. Also, fun fact - the second of the two movies featured Bernard Cribbins (A.K.A. Donna’s Granddad Wilfred Mott). Also, quite a good concept I think should be said; what if Elisabeth Sladen hadn’t died? For those that don’t know, The Sarah Jane Adventures’ fifth and final series was to have had another three stories. These would’ve been Meet Mr Smith (which would have had Mr Smith turn into a human male by an alien and made to commit crimes), The Thirteenth Floor (which would’ve seen Clyde and Rani finally be a couple) and The Battle for Bannerman Road (in which, Sky was to have been revealed to have some of the Trickster’s essence in her and be under his control to as to use her to attack Sarah Jane and turn her house into a tower to take over the world until Sky fought back and stopped him). And I quite like when you said “Doctor Who without the Daleks is like existing without Pizza - it’s not worth even thinking about”.
Wow, I finally found someone who didn't think the Peter Cushing Dalek films were terrible. I thought that Cushing did well as the Doctor, and that the movies were great stuff. Also, the theories as to how Cushing may be canon are astounding. There's even an (unsubstantiated) claim that Cushing came up with his own backstory for the character, that the Celestial Toymaker wanted to play a game and turned the Doctor into a human, wiped his memories, and put him into a simulation of sorts. However, bits of his old adventures in time and space bled through, which is why some of the elements are there but slightly different.
I'm actually working on a video where some eleventh hour scenes are replace with the 10th doctor so It looks like Amy and the 10th doctor are gonna travel together!
I love the idea Moffat had for if Tenant stayed for Series 5. It may have somewhat inspired the series 6 opener having the Doctor from the finale show up before the Doctor we would follow. But wouldn’t mind them using that idea. Doubt many people know about that original idea so could still be pulled off.
Fun Fact Time: The episode "The Daleks" was originally supposed to be another script called "Masters of Luxor" which featured a strange Egyptian styled dystopian landscape and dealt heavily with the question "what can make a machine a human." Big Finish (A licensed partner to the BBC who have the rights to the show and make canon audio dramas) has a series called "The Lost Stories" where they find old scripts of episodes that were never made and they make them. Such things as the previously mentioned "Masters of Luxor" are on there, but there's also series 27 (Thin Ice, Crime of the Century, Animal, and Earth Aide) and Colin Baker's lost series (The Nightmare Fair, The Ultimate Evil, Mission to Magnus, and The Hollows of Time). There are also a ton more scrips that never made it to production, but those I've previously mentioned are the most well-known missing stuff. I'd recommend "Song of the Megaptera" (my personal fav). I've also been recommended the 5th doctor story "The Elite." That might be a cool one to check out Those stories are found here - www.bigfinish.com/ranges/v/doctor-who---the-lost-stories?sort_ordering=date_asc&search_product_type=&search_availability=all Also, I would have loved to see David in series 5. I think that twist is very good (and so very Moffat)!
What if the timelords had lost the time war and the first season of the revival had centered around the doctor trying to stop the extermination of the galaxy?
8:50 "it lead to an immeasurable show in the boost's ratings" Was that a genuine mistake they didn't notice or did they just not feel like doing another take?
I have a few what ifs... 1. What if no spare hand? An alternate reality where Matt Smith actually comes into the show earlier because David Tennant didn't have a spare hand to siphon extra regeneration energy into and keep the same safe. I imagine the rest of 10's run would of been basically the same since they're so similar anyway. The real change I think would happen when Peter Capaldi is the one meeting Amy since I highly doubt they'd ever have the same relationship that Amy and Matt Smith did. 2. What if extra long regeneration? This one takes a bit more explaining. Matt Smith's incarnation essentially died of old age... except the regeneration temporarily just made him young again. He didn't change right away, he had enough time to make a phone call to Clara in the future who was already with his future self and to say goodby to the present Clara before finally changing. What if they extended this even more so Capaldi won't show up till his "fake" regeneration with Bill. But instead of that regeneration being fake that's actually when Matt Smith would finally become Peter Capaldi. 3. What if no Sonic Sunglasses. Instead 12's sonic would be introduced earlier in the series. 4. What if Jodie Whittaker never lost 12's sonic... because lets fact it, 12 had a really good Sonic design that didn't get much screen time and no one liked the sunglasses or the vibrator.
the thing is if you change something about the past of one TV show, your are bound to change the history of another as well. For example, if Richard Griffiths became the Doctor, we might not have gotten him as Vernon Dursley.
"The Final Game" being the Third Doctor regeneration story is a myth. Pertwee didn't decide to leave until Death to the Daleks. So as it stood the season 11 finale would have just seen the departure of the Master
They only cast Eccleston because Tennant didn't want to take the role at first; he was afraid of getting typecast. Only after Nine's regeneration into Ten did he feel that wasn't a danger. He might have taken it for a couple of years before handing it off. Here's one I like to think about. There was an April Fool article in Doctor Who Monthly, saying they'd chosen Joanna Lumley to succeed Davison. Can you imagine her in an outfit just like the one Colin Baker was forced into, with the same arrogance and vanity? I bet she could have made it endearing instead of unpleasant.
Me dependent on Doctor Who (2020): Sorry chibs. You got to go. Did I say sorry. I mean. GOODBYE SUCKER! Now let me say that everything you wrote was located in an alternate universe! And William Hartnell be the first Doctor!
If I ever figure out how to write a story around it, I've sketched out an alternative timeline I call "The Mondassian Alternative" (Cyberman scientists capture Capaldi's Doctor and prevent his regeneration by a partial cyber-conversion).
I think that a 2009 series could have worked if it had been made by RTD and been similar in feel to series 1-4, but the 2010 series was a whole new decade; they needed everything to be brand new and rebooted, with a new Doctor, etc.
Will still be my 1st ChipDull I call him that because hes like a bag of chips. 80% air. And hes pretty dull. He changed the whole series now 1st doctor ain't canon which is BS 1st doctor Will be forever 1st. ChipDull ruined it.
I don't understand one thing: John-Nathan Turner's inability to leave. Was it that the BBC threatened not to assign him to a different series? Did the BBC threaten to give him a bad job reference? Did John-Nathan Turner believe that a different production company would not hire him, e.g., Granada or Thames? Something else? How is someone prevented from leaving a job? Many thanks for the explanations and clarifications.
@@LoesserOf2Evils No other show would trust him as a Producer. He knew he was onto a good thing. The BBC wouldn't trust him with a more prestigious series. JNT would have left in a flash if he's had a good offer.
Three more... - What if Wendy Padbury (Zoe) stayed on the show in 1970 as was an option before the new show runners elected for a full reboot? - What if Elizabeth Sladen and Louise Jameson had returned for the Fifth Doctor era as was an option in 1981? - What if Star Trek: Enterprise hadn’t been cancelled in 2004 and RTD’s plans for a crossover with Doctor Who had actually happened?
Everyone keeps complaining about adding Backstory and saying whining about Hartnell no longer being the first Doctor and im here like "uh hu, Now give me a Argument that I haven't heard and Actually is reasonable Oh and it's immediately counterable by that which already exists cause now your all just sounding like Toxic fans that can't accept the fact that someone is using a Idea that was only dropped because they didn't know how to implement it"
I said this on another who video but I'll say it here as well: I really hope that the BBC sack Chibnal soon (not Jodie though as it's not her fault shes had bad writing) and that the next showrunner says that the whole 'timeless child' thing was made up by the dream lord or the trickster idk, just that it's not true
i really hope so, or it turns out it's a big porkie pie from The Master - it seems like Chibnall is trying to throw in too much PC, have too many companions, and there is definitley too much re-writing of Who history, turning it into a different programme entirely.
As much as I wish that Christopher Eccleston had stayed on another year, I can't imagine some of the series 2 episodes working as well without David Tennant (School Reunion in particular, Tooth and Claw, Army of Ghosts/Doomsday).
As much as I would have loved having the tenth doctor longer and keeping the s1-24 tone of the show, well everything has to end and it was the 10th's time to give the mantle to 11. 4 great seasons and 3 after that and so on for the remains of the show, Each Doctor having 3 seasons and regenerating at the end of their third season.
In defense of Michael Grade, he understood what he did wrong and is now open to jokes about it, like the famous Instagram picture with him looking in the camera scared as Russell T. Davies and Steven Moffat approach him in anger. Priceless picture that wouldn't have existed if Michael Grade hadn't seen the error of his ways.
Any and Rory stayed for all of season seven Amy jumped into the Doctors time stream and Rory followed to try and get her out and they both died then instead of in angels take manhattan.
One thing I think about. What if Chris Eccleston hadn't had such a bad falling out with Doctor Who. I don't know what happened there but it really damaged the show and the continuity they were trying to build up. They had to "create" the "War Doctor" because there was no way to get Eccleston back. He was the one who was supposed to have lived through the time war. They wouldn't have had to mess up the number of doctors, maybe they wouldn't have had that weird 10th doctor hand thing either. So then the Jodie's doctor really would've been the last regeneration, or if they kept the 10th Doctor regenerating into a hand for the conclusion of Rose's arc, then that would've made Capaldi the final regeneration and made his departure even more epic when he meets the 1st doctor. Maybe he would've thought he was dying for good, only to regenerate and then have a mystery around WHY did he regenerate. Then the "timeless child" thing wouldn't be so stupid... I mean it would still be stupid written as is, but there could be some mystery around why the Doctor has more regenerations than he/she should. It could be a whole mystery that carries over many seasons with lots of twists and misdirections. I also wonder what would have happened if we had Jodi but not had Chibnal on as showrunner, or at the very least if we didn't have such a complete restaffing of writers, muscians, etc. If there had been some continuity between Moffet era and his successor, this wouldn't be such a mess. You can't change everything and expect people to like it. It's like they designed the show for a completely different audience and didn't care what the old audience thought. Jodi might've been fine as a doctor under Moffet or someone who could have moved from Moffet's era more smothly than Chibnal did. I'm not suggesting Moffet was perfect, but the last showrunner transition wasn't nearly as jarring.
Here's a couple ideas to consider What if DW decided to continue the Earth-based UNIT stories for the rest of the classic series What if JNT never became Executive Producer? The landscape of the show would've been completely different, a lot of the questionable decisions made from JNT wouldn't have happened so perhaps the show would've done much better in the 80's What if Douglas Adams became executive producer in the 80s? Could be interesting, the show's tone would have shifted a lot and the stories would've been different What if Tom Baker stayed on after season 18? Perhaps he would've stayed on until 1989, and the Fourth Doctor would undergo a gradual change as his fourth incarnation got older And what if colin baker never got fired? Would he have left after his third season? Or maybe continued further
Colin had publicly stated that he wanted to break Tom's record, so I think he would've stayed until cancellation. It could have been interesting to see him take on stories like Ghost Light and The Curse of Fenric, though I'm uncertain as to how Ace would have reacted to him. It could have been a marmite relationship.
Nick Lewis with the sixth doctor they were always planning to have him mellow out overtime. He also had a companion in the audios called Flip who was of a similar working class background to Ace and the pair of them got on fine
I heard similar to Tennet be offered series 5, Capaldi was offered series 11 with Chibnall. Perhaps not the what if we'd want as Capaldi went out on a pretty solid note but I can't help but wonder what this would have been like. Also what if Eccleston stayed for at least a 2md series.
The timeless child is nothing like the cartmel master plan, and they wouldnt of even don the cartmel master plan And how is No. 1 Not "Chibnall didnt take over", cos doctor who wouldnt be tanking and in the weeds and terribly writen and produced right now.
unfortunately Chibnall has done so much damage to the doctor that I will never regain the status it once enjoyed. Only way I can think of fixing this atrocity is by bringing in a new doctor and making the present doctor's run a nightmare instituted by the master (or another foe) and that the changes Chibnall made gets wiped out. AND Fire Chibnall!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert AIstrope I don't think he has done as much damage as people think he has its true not every episode has been a winner but it's not the first time things he has done had been done cause we did get a scene where a bad guy shows the doctor a screen what had multiple men's faces on it as a reference to past regeneration before william hartnell's regeneration so him not being the first regeneration isn't a new concept and the master being a lier that can manipulate the matrix isn't new either he did it in the trial of a timelord causing the doctor to be put on trial and the idea of a woman playing the doctor isn't new to the show Sydney Newman who created the show wanted the character to be open to both men and women playing the character after regeneration was introduced even publicly say so in the 80's so what chris chibnall is being accused of ruining the show with are not new ideas to the show they are ideas that have been around the show since the classic era of the show
@@kevin10001 The idea of the character being played by a woman is not a problem for me and yes the master can manipulate the matrix. If I remember correctly the screen showing past regenerations before Hartnell was proven to be a manipulation in itself but the idea of the timeless child is so wrong in so many ways because now they are saying that Rasssilon and the Gallifran trapped in the negative universe are no longer necessary to the whole cannmon of Dr who. The thing that bothers me most is the fact that having all these other Dr's makes the doctor him/herself irrelevant. And I Will Never Forgive Chibnall for That
@@robertaistrope9602 I personally think that she is not the Doctor but the Valeyard that's how I'd play it anyway. someone posing as the Doctor, who is another aspect of the Doctor. If the next showrunner uses the Valeyard it could be a get out of Jail card. They could say that everything the last Doctor did led up to the destruction of Gallifrey the Master claimed he did it because his ego wouldn't let him admit that someone else was really responsible. I'd let the Valeyard brutally kill the "fam" too. Just to get rid of the annoying bastards. Then I'd have a three way war or chase through time with the Doctor, The Master and The Valeyard theres a whole season there in itself.
William Hartnell still is the first Doctor. Always will be.
agreed
Not if the "chib" and his unqualified writers have their way!
He's still the first to be The Doctor.
The first to go explore.
The First to BE The Doctor.
@@NativS2002 always!
@@NativS2002 I agree, but Chibs sure wants the Ruth Doctor to be older than him. Never accepting that!
Here's a tricky one: What if the 10th Doctor had never lost his hand?
The hand allowed Jack to find the Doctor in the episode *Utopia.*
Without Jack and his immortality, the rocket never would have launched, but the Master remembering who he was would still be a possibility. (The ramifications of Harold Saxon not existing are too great. I think he might've assisted in shooting down the Racnoss' 'webstar'.)
Without the hand, the Doctor would have regenerated in *Stolen Earth* after being struck down by a Dalek during his reunion with Rose.
And lastly, we wouldn't have the Metacrisis Doctor or Doctor Donna in *Journey's End* and the Tardis would have been incinerated along with Donna on the Dalek ship, leaving everyone stranded onboard.
Hypothetically speaking, if some miracle did save the Doctor and his companions, but the Metacrisis Doctor never existed, then Donna would be allowed to keep her memories and then there's the possibility of Rose returning.
I feel that Donna would get along with Rose for the most part, but she might end up feeling like a third wheel seeing the Doctor and Rose being all lovey-dovey.
She might leave of her own accord as Martha did, feeling that she doesn't 'need' the Doctor anymore to know how brilliant she is.
Returning home with a renewed zest for life, she'll quickly land a job, find a husband through said job.
And every now and then she'll meet Wilfred on the hill and recount her adventures, making him feel fulfilled by knowing of the limitless possibilities that lie beyond the stars.
@@dawnwayfinder Thank you for your thoughts, but I think it's much more complicated than that.
The Master couldn't have had returned back to the past without the TARDIS and if he'd found another way, he wouldn't had been that limited with his target year. He couldn't remember being the Master anyway, without Martha reminding him of the Chameleon Arch.
Without the whole Harald Saxon plot Martha wouldn't have left the Doctor so easily and Donna wouldn't be his Companion - especially because the connection between her and the Doctor, which depended on the Metacrisis wouldn't have happened!
Martha had stayed his companion a while longer, the Tenth Doctor would had never ended up in the Space Titanic, never met Mr. Copper whom he rescued to earth and who funded the Subwave network. The Tenth Doctor would've never found the lost Planets in Time and if he had, he would have become the Eleventh Doctor.
And so on and so on...
It would be possible that Matt wouldn't have been the last regeneration but him not losing his had doesn't me he wouldn't still get shot by the dalek but there wouldn't be something he could filter the remaining regeneration energy into so he would of had to make the ultimate decision die or fully regenerate into a new person
@JakeDoesPlushVids No, because she wouldn't have been the Doctor's Companion anymore!
The whole point with the special connection between her and the Doctor was, that she would become the Doctor-Donna. So yes, there's a connection!
Heres some I always like to think about:
- What if Tom Baker was in the 5 doctors?
- What if Chris Eccleston was in Day of the Doctor?
- What if Matt Smith would of stayed on for Series 8?
- What if there was a 10 year anniversary special for modern who?
@LittleRedRhuari RRR the Chris Eccleston in Day of the Doctor would have been a big one - the knock on effects would have been tremendous, since Matt Smith wouldn't have become the Doctor's final incarnation (ignoring the Timeless Child, which can't be considered here because it was not even conceived at the time)
@@oswin1234 except Eccelston is post time war, it would still be pointless. because it would make the doctor that fought in the time war EIGHTH not ninth, it would also be a kick in the teeth to the classic who fans because it would be only modern who. and the show was the FIFYTH anniversary, not the EIGHTH!
@@julieeverett7442, it sounds as though you haven't really read my comment. I never said that Eccleston should have fought in the Time War, merely that had he done so (per Moffats original plans) the knock on effects would have be massive.
This entire video is a "what if?" and we happen to know that Moffat wanted Eccleston to be the Time War Doctor
@@oswin1234Had Hartnell stayed on, it would probably have ended around 67-68. The show's ratings declined sharply in his final season and while they improved under Troughton, as much owing to the revamped monster-friendly format of the series, there's no way of telling how they would have fared had Hartnell stayed on. Remember, a second Dalek film had come out in 66 and the BBC had no way of knowing that would be the last. Recasting the lead was a last desperate throw of the dice in case the films continued and the merchandise stream would be a vital source of revenue for the publicly-funded beeb.
It's forgotten that the BBC were giving serious consideration to cancelling the show in 81. We only learned about it a year or so afterwards. Now, there's a what-if!
@@normanby100 it probably would have still returned at some point had it been cancelled in 1981, as 18 years is still a massive length of time for a show to go on. Had Hartnell stayed I think we'd be looking at Doctor Who as that strange oddity from the sixties. It is ultimately only through the concept of regeneration that the show survives
The 10th Doctor and Amy Pond would had been a wonderful on-screen duo.
9th doctor and Clara ?
Yes, but the Moffat era scripts still sucked.
@@jase_allen what do you prefer Chibnal ?
@@dumbtings1829 12 without Clara
@@liamkrumnow-mcguire7312 Donna would had really given 9th Doctor attitude.
It must be said, that fifth season with the Tenth Doctor sounds like it would have been amazing.
Honestly the twist of the injured crash landing being after Amy’s adventures during Series 5 is a bit like what went down in Series 6.
Very
Everyone: The Daleks are the Doctor's arch nemesis
Me an intellectual: Michael Grade
Michael Gade regenerated into Chris Chibnall
@@londonmandela5000 Yes makes sense.
christmas
@dr103 Yeah I know that but you have got to admit that the seasons that Chibnall aren't that great because of his writting less and less people are watching the show. And you can't say that is a good thing can you
Nah his arch nemesis is christmas
Much as I loved John Hurt's War Doctor, what if Moffat had asked Paul McGann to be in Day Of The Doctor when Christopher Eccleston turned it down?
Good shout
He did.
@@henryhenze7146 You sure about that?
@@Jeremyparker I'm fairly certain. I saw it on Reddit on a post with a lot of upvotes and no one was saying he was wrong
@@henryhenze7146 It just strikes me as weird that McGann would only agree to appear in the short episode Night of the Doctor if he had a chance to be in the special?
Biggest what if: What if the Ninth Doctor accepted Jackie Tyler’s offer in the episode “rose”
Here is 'comment of the year' award, honestly 🏆
...let’s not think about that comment.
no. just, no.
im.otters how is it a cursed comment
The idea of River Song might have come a lot sooner.
No
at 8:50 he says “It lead to an immeasurable show in the boosts ratings”.
The biggest what if: McGann stared in the reboot. Leave Eccleston’s costume, shorter hair, new TARDIS, TimeWar, etc. Just write it for 8th’s character. Big Finish has proved just how great a Doctor he is.
we never got to know the 8th doctor it would of worked if they asked him but never did
What if Christopher Eccleston has stayed on for a second series? I know a lot of fans go to sleep crying at the idea Eccleston could have stayed on but if you think about it the revival probably wouldn’t have lasted very long with him as the sole doctor. Eccleston made the show a hit but Tennant made it a phenomenon and if Eccleston had stayed on the show probably wouldn’t have made its way across the pond and become world renowned and could have just died a couple of seasons later. I also think that if Eccleston has stayed in and had gone through the same events Tennant did such as losing Rose then the audience would have come to know him in such a deeply personal way that him regenerating would have probably meant the show died. Eccleston was big yes but he wasn’t around long enough for the audience to feel disgusted at the idea of the main character changing and the odds are that the young bouncy characterisation of the Doctor which Tennant brought in wouldn’t have given Moffat the confidence to cast Matt smith meaning we could have had a Doctor which everyone hated meaning Doctor Who would just die and be remembered a lot worse than people remembered it in the nineties.
I love Eccleston as much as the next man but if he stayed on then the odds are that we wouldn’t have had the show we have today.
I suppose it's the same as when William Hartnell regenerated for the first time. Everybody thought he was going to be the sole Doctor, but he left and the re-cast may not have worked after people liked him too much, but luckily it did. Also who is to say the show wouldn't have carried on just because David Tennant woudn't have taken over the role? They had no choice but to re-cast after all and Tennant wasn't the biggest name in the world at the time. ( neither was Eccleston at the time to be fair)
I disagree. There wasn't enough time between the airing of Season One, him leaving, and the show spreading overseas to be able to gauge how much Eccleston vs Tennant was paramount in Doctor Who's second Golden Age. Tennant brought a different energy for a different crowd, and that certainly kept the show afloat with Chris' departure. But given a few seasons of RTD writing stories for Nine's strengths (as we already saw Tennant having to deal with the first few Eccleston scripts for Season Two in real life before they adapted to David's interpretation) and I believe the show would have been equally successful. Perhaps even moreso overseas, simply because Chris had already worked in Hollywood movies in the 90's, and was thus more exposed to American audiences at the time (though only barely, thanks to Gone in 60 Seconds). Also, I sincerely doubt Chris would stay longer than Billie. So in this scenario we get him for another season at max.
@LittleRedRhuari RRR Exactly. In the first series of the revival you are introduced to every core concept of the show in a natural way. The only major thing you don't see are the Time Lords and that really was the point, since they bog the show down tremendously
@@oswin1234 Though I do agree to a point with you and LittleRedRhuari RRR, the only reason they had him regenerate is because Chris had already left the role. Tennant filmed his scenes much later and I believe they had all intentions to keep Chris on for another series. It would have also been quite exciting to see a regeneration for the first time (if you had not watched the classic series) after spending so long with Chris. Chris has also gone one to say he would have tried to improve his performance in series 2 meaning even he had no intentions of leaving when he first joined
@@millieoshie sometimes things do work out for the best though. I think having the Doctor regenerate so soon solidified the concept into the audience's mind early enough that they weren't attached to Chris and still willing to accept it
I still remember the very first shot of Doctor Who I ever saw. That being in the episode Dalek, where the said creature first says the word “Doctor...”
“Dok…torrr…”
Takes me right back.
the first shot of doctor who was in season 4 first part of the finally, where Ten is shot by the dalek. It is a weird thing, i thought i saw the end of the show because i saw the main die
The first shot I ever saw was of a large potato creature chasing after a woman and licking his lips. The terrible makeup and FX put me completely off until the 2005 revival.
I'm actually really glad that Matt Smith came in when he did because David Tennant's main companion was Rose, his doctor had an attachment to roast so I honestly don't think Amy Pond's story would have had the same effect on all of us if it was same doctor new companion but to have new the version of the Doctor Who we've never seen with companions get attached to this companion it's really good. In my opinion it would have been kind of like another Rose scenario and I don't think David's doctor would have been able to get attached to Amy Pond the way that Matt's doctor was able to
to be fair tho i think no one could picture it now because amy and 11 are so iconic together. It's entirely possible 10 and amy could've worked keeping the same tone its just difficult to picture.
I wasn't really a fan of rose and ten
Kyle McCrory no way, Martha and Donna were way better with 10
@@paddystrongjaw9995 I agree
@@paddystrongjaw9995 for me it's the way their characters were written, I think they just mess way better with 10. I can't see Matt Smith's zaniness matching up with Donna that well. It might be funny but I just don't see it working to the extent that it did with David Tennant
All I wanna know is imagine if we never heard the sentence ‘ WHERE’S BENNY’ 😂
Life would be so much better
Oh god..... if only!!!! I fucking hate chinballs
We don’t talk about that
Here's one that has been on my mind since the end of series of 4: What if Donna Noble had staid on into series 5? What if Donna had found a way to retain all the knowledge of the Doctor without it harming her? 0.o
Mega sass to the chin, boi!
@@kikyna_cz6350 OMG YES!
Series 5. Then The Office US wouldn't have Nellie Bertram. (I hate Nellie). I really want to see Nellie interact with Ninth. She is way better than Rose (I tolerated her in S1 but she became unbearable in S2) and was my favorite until Clara came.
y did you say series of 4 then serise 5
Imagine if Amy meets The Doctor when he's the 10th but then as he travels "for a few minutes" he regens and appears in the future and needs to convince Amy that he's the same raggedy man.
I think you missed the fact that Tom Baker might not have been cast as the fourth doctor. They were thinking of having an older actor again, which is why the character of Harry Sullivan existed. His role sure would've been different if it were alongside an elderly 4th doctor.
It would of been cool if he stayed. But series 5 is 11’s best series so I’m happy 10 left
*would HAVE
Rob right sorry
It would still be fantastic
Same.
10 was one of the best doctor who reincarnation
It wasn't just Doctor Who that didn't "make the Grade" - the first thing he did was cancel season three of 'The Tripods' - simply because it was sci-fi, which he hated. The ratings were quite respectable, but he didn't care - meaning that the cliffhanger ending to season two was never resolved.
What if...The BBC didn't swipe all the now "lost" episodes
its ashame, atleast some of them are getting remade in some way like the macra terror for example
Then we would be able to watch them properly?
Julius Stricto no just some shitty animation, just watch Loose Cannon Productions for a more authentic experience.
We dont need britbox thats what
@@paddystrongjaw9995 Ew. I hate the loose canon reconstructions. I'd recommend the audios and the animation over that. They choose some of the stupidest faces for those recons. Lol. If you enjoy it tho, good for you. Not trying to rag on you personally,
In one of his last interviews (2001 or 2002) John Nathan-Turner stated that he asked to leave twice before 1989 (in 1983 making The Five Doctors his last story and in 1986 after being forced to tell Colin that he was being sacked). Both times he was told that they couldn't find a replacement for him. it was only in 1989 that he told them he was leaving. even if they didn't use him again. What if Chritopher Ecclestone had stayed for another year of two or appeared with David and Matt? No War Doctor and Matt wouldn't have been the last in his regeneration cycle. Peter Capaldi would be the thirteenth Doctor. Would David Tennant ever would have become the wonderful tenth Doctor?
"Cue Chibnall jokes" YUP!!! I'd love it if they got Toby Whithouse to be showrunner instead of Chibs. I've always wnjoyed his eps of Doctor Who and Being Human was a pretty great scifi show so I'd be interested in seeing that
Or hell, even Nicholas Briggs.
Heck yes, Town Called Mercy, the God Complex, Under The Lake :D
I'd prefer a ham sandwich over Chibnali
Toby whitehouse is a great shout as show runner
Brad Burnham haha I think most fans would.
here's a What If i've had in my head since the 50th: What If Paul McGann's Doctor met and traveled with Rose
What if Nine met and travelled with Donna? They'd get nothing done, they'd just stand around sassing each other
Even the actor for Donna said she would have loved to travel with nine
@@itstheshotgunzombie1667 I read a fanfic like that once! It was delightful! So much sass!! *cackles madly*
@@revolverfx Any source of that? I would love to see that. Maybe it could happen with Chris returning as 9 in Big Finish.
@@W0LV1E45 she said it in like a conference. Billie piper and Jenna Coleman were also in the conference.
Seems time is repeating itself, because Chibnall seems determined to run the show into the ground just like Turner did
“Robert Holmes has a tendency to write stories based on his real-world views”
[Shows clip from The Talons of Weng-Chiang]
Oof...
Yeah, Doinkadect -- "oof" is right. The good part about Robert Holmes as a writer was that he had a genuine love for Victorian/Edwardian Adventure fiction...which is, as THE TALONS OF WENG-CHIANG shows us, the bad part too!
I will never forget he originally wrote Sarah Jane Smith to make fun of feminism -- only to have the character, and Elizabeth Sladen's portrayal, turn around on him and work so brilliantly she's become one of the best, if not The Best, Companion ever. He's a very talented writer who didn't seem to realize what he found annoying everybody else loved, and a lot of what he loved...had issues....
Me: *Watching this Video with some little surprised expressions*
*the penultimate point* :If the were No Daleks
Me: SHOCKED GASP
What if Missy had stayed to help the Doctor, and not left with her previous regeneration?
what if missy wasn't the master at all what if she is the masters sister
I've literally wanted this channel for years lol
Even if the master was completely written off as DEAD and not being able to regenerate , the reboot would have bought him back . 'Somehow' . Lets say the master died completely then the reboot would have been like " wooowhoooooo, , i am back and not DEAD as you can see ". And the doctor be like "I KNEW IT" , this guy would't die so easily . I mean he is The Master .
Hell, they did exactly that in the classic series anyway. The Master was completely dead at the end of 'Planet of Fire'... the next year he waltzes into 'The Mark of the Rani', and when the Rani says, "I thought you were dead," he just says, "I'm indestructible, the whole universe knows that."
I'd have loved to have seen that David Tennant Series 5. That would have been really cool.
Must be honest, I'm glad we didn't get a '96 revival. The movie was alright, but I don't want an Americanised Doctor Who, the furthest I'll let production go is to Cardiff, maybe Ireland.
They revealed what they had planned for the 96 Series and THANK GOD it didn’t happen.
I'm American myself, and I can definitely agree to that. I remember watching Torchwood: Miracle Day... I'm sorry but I just could not get into it. Perhaps it wasn't to bad, but I'm pretty sure I jumped ship mid series on that one.
No way uh uh not happening
Yeah
I wish we could have the stuff from the movie though, i really liked that doctor, tardis, and master.
I just wish that they would have made the Doctor ginger since it has been a running thread since Tennant took over in Series 2. I know that it would have been impossible but I think Karen Gillan as the Doctor instead of a Jodie would have been awesome!!
the doctor who cannon:
chibnall: i think im boutta break some shit
@Ward Studios same here
One thing I must say about Doctor Who and canon, well, they're like putting two magnets together at the same ends, they repel one another.
@@samuelbarber4154 sure, if you're a hack writer or just lazy.
Id change the fact that the doctor is now "the timeless child" to the master being i dick head and telling her that because it would ruin her, or the master is instead the timeless child and thats why he destroyed galefrey, and instead said that the doctor is so he can get over the fact his life was a lie.
"It led to an immeasurable show in the boosts ratings"
I like a boost bar as much as the next guy but that's a stretch
What if the 10th doctor had agreed to take Lady Cristina Desusa with him on his travels
*Sousa
Yes, this! Legit wanted this!
@@a5alzahra - yes, absolutely this! I really thought that was what they were building up to....
You can see her in 1st 5 min ST TNG Crystalline Entity.
What if Chibnall never touched tree greatest science fiction show ever?
....
I would still be watching and caring about this show.
Yes sir!!!! I hope they fire his worthless woke ass soon.... fuck chinballs!!!
I left it for the longest time (I watched Jodie's first two episodes when they came out but lost interest), and finally got around to it during quarantine.
The odd episodes were fine (I quite enjoyed the Rosa Parks one) but oof it went down like the Titanic so quickly at the end.
Wish I hadn't watched it to be honest. 🤷
@@emma-spookyghost I haven't watched all of Jodies episodes yet. The most episodes i've seen are meh but i wanted to agree that the rosa parks episode was indeed really good!
My fave 13 episode til now
Damn, the doctor who fandom is getting almost as toxic as the Star Wars one
Incorrect people are just tired of the bullshit no toxicity here
*talks about Hartnell flubbing his lines mere minutes after saying "A show in the boost's ratings."
“An immeasurable show in the boosts ratings”
What if: steve moffet and russel t davies kept writing doctor who instead of passing it to Chibnall
William Hartnell was originally going to have his character's appearance altered in the Celestial Toymaker in 1966. This was replaced with the vague, unexplained phasing sequence that was eventually explained as regeneration. If the original proposal had been taken, doctor who would likely have only ever had 2 lead actors.
Omg this dude actually can’t do a video without slagging off Chris Chibnall 😹
Rightly so
Might be a reason for that... just say
@Samuel Black Then you're a traitor and a fool.
He deserves to be slagged off
@Samuel Black googoo gaga they disagree with me ima tell them to get a life
“...an immeasurable show in the boost’s ratings”... 😂🤣 Nice one, Rich :)
10:45 - "An immeasurable show in the boost's rating" erm.. OK... :-)
My new favourite channel! Feeds my Whovian needs
Oh and what would I change?
I'd let Capaldi's doctor shout expletives at people whenever they're being idiotic, just as his character in In The Loop does. Half the time the expression on his face has you believe he just might!
That idea for the 5th season with David Tenant sounds amazing
Eccalstone staying on for a second seaso
I use to work at the bbc for about 3 years and left recently. I worked closely with assistant producers and after the 1st of Jodie Whitakers the head ups really regretted giving christ chibnall something like a 5 season contract.
I the only one who likes the timeless child plot twist? It does fill a few plot holes and I don't kind having to learn a shit ton of new lore
You're certainly not the only one.
Okay, in response to some of these:
10. Robert Holmes has made several contributions to the show; he introduced a lot of things that have appeared and been mentioned quite a bit throughout the show. Along with the Autons and the Sontarans, some of them were The Third Doctor, his companions Liz, Jo and Sarah Jane, The Master, Romana (one of the Fourth Doctor’s companions, just in case you didn’t know) and the Time Lords’ limit of having 13 incarnations and 12 regenerations.
8. At the start of Scream of the Shalka, the Doctor appeared to be yelling about not wanting to be on Earth and so there are thoughts that he was working for the Time Lords in this. Also, Mark Gatiss has worked on Doctor Who as far back as the 1990s and once played him in a sort of spoof called The Web of Caves.
7. John Nathan-Turner was involved in having K-9 and the Sonic Screwdriver removed from the show (The Doctor had the sonic starting with his second incarnation and continued on using it until a few serials into his Fifth incarnation when it got destroyed, but was later brought back in the TV movie) and he was quite recognised at fan conventions he attended.
6. The cat burglar that would've been the Seventh Doctor’s latest companion after Ace was called Raine Creevy. Also, there have been several actors that have worked on both Doctor Who and the Harry Potter films (most notably David Tennant who also worked on Scream of the Shalka) and it was actually supposed to imply (and not explicitly reveal) that that's what the Doctor was (and it's pronounced O-ma-ga).
5. I for one actually quite liked the TV movie.
4. It was Intended to have The Final Game reveal that The Master was actually The Doctor’s brother (Dun, dun, dunnnn), a concept that has been somewhat teased throughout the show (John Nathan-Turner even claimed that he thought this is true). Also, the Master being written out of the show was to have been that he intended to set off a bomb to try and kill The Doctor. However, he would’ve ended up feeling some remorse about doing this (because of their relationship) and then died sacrificing his life saving The Doctor.
2. I’ve seen both of the movies that recreated The Doctor’s first two encounters with the Daleks (which were called Doctor Who and the Daleks and Dalek Invasion Earth 2150AD) and quite liked them. Also, fun fact - the second of the two movies featured Bernard Cribbins (A.K.A. Donna’s Granddad Wilfred Mott).
Also, quite a good concept I think should be said; what if Elisabeth Sladen hadn’t died? For those that don’t know, The Sarah Jane Adventures’ fifth and final series was to have had another three stories. These would’ve been Meet Mr Smith (which would have had Mr Smith turn into a human male by an alien and made to commit crimes), The Thirteenth Floor (which would’ve seen Clyde and Rani finally be a couple) and The Battle for Bannerman Road (in which, Sky was to have been revealed to have some of the Trickster’s essence in her and be under his control to as to use her to attack Sarah Jane and turn her house into a tower to take over the world until Sky fought back and stopped him). And I quite like when you said “Doctor Who without the Daleks is like existing without Pizza - it’s not worth even thinking about”.
What's weird is, Derek Jacobi also played the Master in Scream of the Shalka.
Wow, I finally found someone who didn't think the Peter Cushing Dalek films were terrible. I thought that Cushing did well as the Doctor, and that the movies were great stuff. Also, the theories as to how Cushing may be canon are astounding. There's even an (unsubstantiated) claim that Cushing came up with his own backstory for the character, that the Celestial Toymaker wanted to play a game and turned the Doctor into a human, wiped his memories, and put him into a simulation of sorts. However, bits of his old adventures in time and space bled through, which is why some of the elements are there but slightly different.
I'm actually working on a video where some eleventh hour scenes are replace with the 10th doctor so It looks like Amy and the 10th doctor are gonna travel together!
I love the idea Moffat had for if Tenant stayed for Series 5. It may have somewhat inspired the series 6 opener having the Doctor from the finale show up before the Doctor we would follow. But wouldn’t mind them using that idea. Doubt many people know about that original idea so could still be pulled off.
What if nowadays screenwriters actually did their work and care. Wow, it could be incredible change...
Fun Fact Time: The episode "The Daleks" was originally supposed to be another script called "Masters of Luxor" which featured a strange Egyptian styled dystopian landscape and dealt heavily with the question "what can make a machine a human."
Big Finish (A licensed partner to the BBC who have the rights to the show and make canon audio dramas) has a series called "The Lost Stories" where they find old scripts of episodes that were never made and they make them. Such things as the previously mentioned "Masters of Luxor" are on there, but there's also series 27 (Thin Ice, Crime of the Century, Animal, and Earth Aide) and Colin Baker's lost series (The Nightmare Fair, The Ultimate Evil, Mission to Magnus, and The Hollows of Time). There are also a ton more scrips that never made it to production, but those I've previously mentioned are the most well-known missing stuff.
I'd recommend "Song of the Megaptera" (my personal fav). I've also been recommended the 5th doctor story "The Elite." That might be a cool one to check out
Those stories are found here - www.bigfinish.com/ranges/v/doctor-who---the-lost-stories?sort_ordering=date_asc&search_product_type=&search_availability=all
Also, I would have loved to see David in series 5. I think that twist is very good (and so very Moffat)!
What if the timelords had lost the time war and the first season of the revival had centered around the doctor trying to stop the extermination of the galaxy?
8:50
"A show in the boost's ratings"
Iconic
8:50 "it lead to an immeasurable show in the boost's ratings" Was that a genuine mistake they didn't notice or did they just not feel like doing another take?
I have a few what ifs...
1. What if no spare hand? An alternate reality where Matt Smith actually comes into the show earlier because David Tennant didn't have a spare hand to siphon extra regeneration energy into and keep the same safe. I imagine the rest of 10's run would of been basically the same since they're so similar anyway. The real change I think would happen when Peter Capaldi is the one meeting Amy since I highly doubt they'd ever have the same relationship that Amy and Matt Smith did.
2. What if extra long regeneration? This one takes a bit more explaining. Matt Smith's incarnation essentially died of old age... except the regeneration temporarily just made him young again. He didn't change right away, he had enough time to make a phone call to Clara in the future who was already with his future self and to say goodby to the present Clara before finally changing. What if they extended this even more so Capaldi won't show up till his "fake" regeneration with Bill. But instead of that regeneration being fake that's actually when Matt Smith would finally become Peter Capaldi.
3. What if no Sonic Sunglasses. Instead 12's sonic would be introduced earlier in the series.
4. What if Jodie Whittaker never lost 12's sonic... because lets fact it, 12 had a really good Sonic design that didn't get much screen time and no one liked the sunglasses or the vibrator.
Wow! And the only thing I originally thought of was what if David Bowie actually played Sharez Jek.
the thing is if you change something about the past of one TV show, your are bound to change the history of another as well.
For example, if Richard Griffiths became the Doctor, we might not have gotten him as Vernon Dursley.
8:50 "an immeasurable show in the boosts ratings"
I'm very glad this channel was created
"The Final Game" being the Third Doctor regeneration story is a myth. Pertwee didn't decide to leave until Death to the Daleks. So as it stood the season 11 finale would have just seen the departure of the Master
Well he probably still would’ve left in the final game considering Katy Manning’s departure and the decreasing use of the UNIT family
They only cast Eccleston because Tennant didn't want to take the role at first; he was afraid of getting typecast. Only after Nine's regeneration into Ten did he feel that wasn't a danger. He might have taken it for a couple of years before handing it off.
Here's one I like to think about. There was an April Fool article in Doctor Who Monthly, saying they'd chosen Joanna Lumley to succeed Davison. Can you imagine her in an outfit just like the one Colin Baker was forced into, with the same arrogance and vanity? I bet she could have made it endearing instead of unpleasant.
Me dependent on Doctor Who (2020): Sorry chibs. You got to go. Did I say sorry. I mean. GOODBYE SUCKER! Now let me say that everything you wrote was located in an alternate universe! And William Hartnell be the first Doctor!
If I ever figure out how to write a story around it, I've sketched out an alternative timeline I call "The Mondassian Alternative" (Cyberman scientists capture Capaldi's Doctor and prevent his regeneration by a partial cyber-conversion).
I think that a 2009 series could have worked if it had been made by RTD and been similar in feel to series 1-4, but the 2010 series was a whole new decade; they needed everything to be brand new and rebooted, with a new Doctor, etc.
I have to say that RTD‘s Series 4 and 5A (shame and i am so sorry that Sladen died before finishing 5B) were better than Moffs Doctor WHO Series 6 tbh
What if Chibnall never took over? 😌
Will still be my 1st ChipDull I call him that because hes like a bag of chips. 80% air. And hes pretty dull. He changed the whole series now 1st doctor ain't canon which is BS 1st doctor Will be forever 1st. ChipDull ruined it.
GoldInTheBlox First Doctor still happened. He just technically wasn’t the first incarnation.
@@stephenmurphy2212 impossible
It would been perfect timeline
Nothing Chibnall has done is cannon
I don't understand one thing: John-Nathan Turner's inability to leave. Was it that the BBC threatened not to assign him to a different series? Did the BBC threaten to give him a bad job reference? Did John-Nathan Turner believe that a different production company would not hire him, e.g., Granada or Thames? Something else? How is someone prevented from leaving a job?
Many thanks for the explanations and clarifications.
It was because they told him than if he leaves, they would cancel the show. And he really loved Doctor Who, that's why he overstayed.
Alex Gonzalez, in a word, blackmail. :-(
@@LoesserOf2Evils No other show would trust him as a Producer. He knew he was onto a good thing. The BBC wouldn't trust him with a more prestigious series. JNT would have left in a flash if he's had a good offer.
I've said it for ages, if I was showrunner then I'd announce that anything after Capaldi is noncanon and didn't happen.
agreed
8:50 "Immeasurable show in the boost's ratings."
I do really like the idea of 10's season 5, but imagine doctor who without those season 4 specials!?
The Specials were rubbish
Three more...
- What if Wendy Padbury (Zoe) stayed on the show in 1970 as was an option before the new show runners elected for a full reboot?
- What if Elizabeth Sladen and Louise Jameson had returned for the Fifth Doctor era as was an option in 1981?
- What if Star Trek: Enterprise hadn’t been cancelled in 2004 and RTD’s plans for a crossover with Doctor Who had actually happened?
8:51 “An immeasurable show in the boost’s ratings”
Classic spoonerism 🤣
Ecclestone only staying for 1 series is like Dalton only doing 2 Bond movies.
What if someone assassinated Chibnall in 2015 so he never took over the show and then they forced a good writer to take over
Working on it
@@logandelaharpe6362 Thank you
Everyone keeps complaining about adding Backstory and saying whining about Hartnell no longer being the first Doctor and im here like "uh hu, Now give me a Argument that I haven't heard and Actually is reasonable Oh and it's immediately counterable by that which already exists cause now your all just sounding like Toxic fans that can't accept the fact that someone is using a Idea that was only dropped because they didn't know how to implement it"
I said this on another who video but I'll say it here as well:
I really hope that the BBC sack Chibnal soon (not Jodie though as it's not her fault shes had bad writing) and that the next showrunner says that the whole 'timeless child' thing was made up by the dream lord or the trickster idk, just that it's not true
i really hope so, or it turns out it's a big porkie pie from The Master - it seems like Chibnall is trying to throw in too much PC, have too many companions, and there is definitley too much re-writing of Who history, turning it into a different programme entirely.
As much as I wish that Christopher Eccleston had stayed on another year, I can't imagine some of the series 2 episodes working as well without David Tennant (School Reunion in particular, Tooth and Claw, Army of Ghosts/Doomsday).
William Hartnell stil is the first doctor
As much as I would have loved having the tenth doctor longer and keeping the s1-24 tone of the show, well everything has to end and it was the 10th's time to give the mantle to 11. 4 great seasons and 3 after that and so on for the remains of the show, Each Doctor having 3 seasons and regenerating at the end of their third season.
Awesome video!! Really interesting for sure!! :D I can't believe Vernon Dursley could've been the Doctor!!??? (Mind blown!) :o
In defense of Michael Grade, he understood what he did wrong and is now open to jokes about it, like the famous Instagram picture with him looking in the camera scared as Russell T. Davies and Steven Moffat approach him in anger. Priceless picture that wouldn't have existed if Michael Grade hadn't seen the error of his ways.
Any and Rory stayed for all of season seven Amy jumped into the Doctors time stream and Rory followed to try and get her out and they both died then instead of in angels take manhattan.
One thing I think about. What if Chris Eccleston hadn't had such a bad falling out with Doctor Who. I don't know what happened there but it really damaged the show and the continuity they were trying to build up. They had to "create" the "War Doctor" because there was no way to get Eccleston back. He was the one who was supposed to have lived through the time war. They wouldn't have had to mess up the number of doctors, maybe they wouldn't have had that weird 10th doctor hand thing either. So then the Jodie's doctor really would've been the last regeneration, or if they kept the 10th Doctor regenerating into a hand for the conclusion of Rose's arc, then that would've made Capaldi the final regeneration and made his departure even more epic when he meets the 1st doctor.
Maybe he would've thought he was dying for good, only to regenerate and then have a mystery around WHY did he regenerate. Then the "timeless child" thing wouldn't be so stupid... I mean it would still be stupid written as is, but there could be some mystery around why the Doctor has more regenerations than he/she should. It could be a whole mystery that carries over many seasons with lots of twists and misdirections.
I also wonder what would have happened if we had Jodi but not had Chibnal on as showrunner, or at the very least if we didn't have such a complete restaffing of writers, muscians, etc. If there had been some continuity between Moffet era and his successor, this wouldn't be such a mess. You can't change everything and expect people to like it. It's like they designed the show for a completely different audience and didn't care what the old audience thought. Jodi might've been fine as a doctor under Moffet or someone who could have moved from Moffet's era more smothly than Chibnal did. I'm not suggesting Moffet was perfect, but the last showrunner transition wasn't nearly as jarring.
Imagine if David tennent and Russel.T Davies stayed for a few more series😔 they were the greats
He kept repaired and kept K-9. Rose never left the tenth Doctor.
Idres Elba as the 13th Doctor.
What if... the BBC asked a decent writer to take over from Steven Moffat?
Here's a couple ideas to consider
What if DW decided to continue the Earth-based UNIT stories for the rest of the classic series
What if JNT never became Executive Producer? The landscape of the show would've been completely different, a lot of the questionable decisions made from JNT wouldn't have happened so perhaps the show would've done much better in the 80's
What if Douglas Adams became executive producer in the 80s? Could be interesting, the show's tone would have shifted a lot and the stories would've been different
What if Tom Baker stayed on after season 18? Perhaps he would've stayed on until 1989, and the Fourth Doctor would undergo a gradual change as his fourth incarnation got older
And what if colin baker never got fired? Would he have left after his third season? Or maybe continued further
Tom would have become insufferable and unwatchable had he continued.
Colin had publicly stated that he wanted to break Tom's record, so I think he would've stayed until cancellation. It could have been interesting to see him take on stories like Ghost Light and The Curse of Fenric, though I'm uncertain as to how Ace would have reacted to him. It could have been a marmite relationship.
Nick Lewis with the sixth doctor they were always planning to have him mellow out overtime. He also had a companion in the audios called Flip who was of a similar working class background to Ace and the pair of them got on fine
CHIBNALL ...GETS OFFED BY THE DALEKS
A Fitting End to the Chibby Era
We shall exterminate!?
Superb and comprehensive list - thank you! :D
What does he mean William Hartnell could still be the first doctor? Wont he always be the first one and the doctors first body?
Not if chibnil has he’s way that idiotic bumbling fool
The writing would still be good if Chibs hadn't taken the showrunner job
What if Chris chibnall was never hired ?
there would be no female doctor that is for sure and if matt stayed as The Doctor they would be no missy either
I heard similar to Tennet be offered series 5, Capaldi was offered series 11 with Chibnall. Perhaps not the what if we'd want as Capaldi went out on a pretty solid note but I can't help but wonder what this would have been like.
Also what if Eccleston stayed for at least a 2md series.
7:10 BOOOOOH! Worst BBC boss ever!
The 10th doctor is my favorite doctor I was so sad when his seasons ended 😢
The timeless child is nothing like the cartmel master plan, and they wouldnt of even don the cartmel master plan
And how is No. 1 Not "Chibnall didnt take over", cos doctor who wouldnt be tanking and in the weeds and terribly writen and produced right now.
*wouldn’t HAVE
unfortunately Chibnall has done so much damage to the doctor that I will never regain the status it once enjoyed. Only way I can think of fixing this atrocity is by bringing in a new doctor and making the present doctor's run a nightmare instituted by the master (or another foe) and that the changes Chibnall made gets wiped out. AND Fire Chibnall!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert AIstrope I don't think he has done as much damage as people think he has its true not every episode has been a winner but it's not the first time things he has done had been done cause we did get a scene where a bad guy shows the doctor a screen what had multiple men's faces on it as a reference to past regeneration before william hartnell's regeneration so him not being the first regeneration isn't a new concept and the master being a lier that can manipulate the matrix isn't new either he did it in the trial of a timelord causing the doctor to be put on trial and the idea of a woman playing the doctor isn't new to the show Sydney Newman who created the show wanted the character to be open to both men and women playing the character after regeneration was introduced even publicly say so in the 80's so what chris chibnall is being accused of ruining the show with are not new ideas to the show they are ideas that have been around the show since the classic era of the show
@@kevin10001 The idea of the character being played by a woman is not a problem for me and yes the master can manipulate the matrix. If I remember correctly the screen showing past regenerations before Hartnell was proven to be a manipulation in itself but the idea of the timeless child is so wrong in so many ways because now they are saying that Rasssilon and the Gallifran trapped in the negative universe are no longer necessary to the whole cannmon of Dr who. The thing that bothers me most is the fact that having all these other Dr's makes the doctor him/herself irrelevant. And I Will Never Forgive Chibnall for That
@@robertaistrope9602 I personally think that she is not the Doctor but the Valeyard that's how I'd play it anyway. someone posing as the Doctor, who is another aspect of the Doctor. If the next showrunner uses the Valeyard it could be a get out of Jail card. They could say that everything the last Doctor did led up to the destruction of Gallifrey the Master claimed he did it because his ego wouldn't let him admit that someone else was really responsible. I'd let the Valeyard brutally kill the "fam" too. Just to get rid of the annoying bastards. Then I'd have a three way war or chase through time with the Doctor, The Master and The Valeyard theres a whole season there in itself.
8:50 Daleks led to an immeasurable show in the boost's ratings? Wow, that sounds interesting