As a 62 yr old advanced player, this was a fantastic match, Sean reminds me of myself, very patient & outstanding drops, Amy is so good too, no screaming or posturing either, very enjoyable to watch & great commentary too!
A high quality game here. My partner and I played Amy and Sean in first round and they have good skills but don’t overlook the mental part of their game which is so crucial. Their shot selection is really good as well as their patience.
You keep talking about Shawn’s drops, but he was totally pounded on it multiple times. I truly appreciate the time he has spent on mastering that shot, but if it’s not perfect and your opponent is already established at the kitchen line at the 4.0 level it’s coming back HARD. Leigh Waters say’s the third shot drop is a totally defensive play and if not executed to perfection at a higher level of duper it is a totally wasted shot. She wants to see a drive up the middle or to the backhand side of her opponent that puts them on the defensive and creates pop ups and miss hits. Great match. Thanks for bringing it.
All I was trying to point out is that a third shot drop into the kitchen from behind the service line is a very difficult shot. Shawn did a great job with it. I was just complimenting him. Do you really think a drive from way back there would be more effective? Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787I do think a third shot drive is more effective which is why that’s what you see at the pro level. At the highest level you’re seeing third shot drive, in an attempt to force the popup and the crasher puts away the fifth. And if they handle the drive, then you have an easier, closer range fifth shot drop.
Awesome game. Highly skilled. What a beast Amy was throughout. Very impressive. And Sean's fakeout net shot will be in my repertoire going forward, for sure.
Good match. Couple of observations: 1. In the early part of the game, Amy kept rushing to the net on the 3rd shot, without checking to see whether Sean’s drop was good or not. She’s putting herself in a danger zone if Sean’s drop is high. Maybe she trusts her partner, who admittedly is quite good at drops, but still, a bad habit imo. 2. A lot of dinking and dropping to the middle when Adam and Julie had their forehands in the middle. Hitting to a spot where there are 2 forehands to hurt you is not the optimal shot (unless it's a putaway shot).
Definitely not a bad habit. This isn’t rec. Yes it would be a bad habit if you don’t know what kind of 3rd is coming. But like you pointed out, she knows her partner, trusts her partner. At the highest levels, you definitely crash. If you stay back like a 3.5 rec player, you are going to miss out on critical offensive opportunities.
@ that’s not true at all. ALW trusts Ben’s thirds implicitly, and is often already running up to crash and poach as soon as he makes contact. Same with someone like Riley Newman. Say Alshon takes the third from the right, Riley is up, crashing hard. The advice to cautiously stay back and only advance if you see a good drop is for 3.5s, not pros. When you know your partner’s third is going to be good 90% of the time or more, you start to aggressively crash. The worst thing that can happen is that they float something and you’re still standing back because you were scared, and miss the volley opportunity.
For the first point, I can see why Julie choose to hit the ball to the lady in the near court instead of the guy in the transition zone though. I believe it is because the lady in yellow moved quite far into the middle to cover for her partner; therefore, Julie intention was to put the ball behind the lady in yellow. However, the ball was not fast enough to get behind her (probably because it was a back hand and Julie wanted to ensure the accuracy). As a result, the point was concluded
The shot at 20:11 should have been called for a distraction. "3.A.7. Distraction - Physical actions by a player that are ‘not common to the game’ that, in the judgment of the referee, may interfere with the opponent’s ability or concentration to hit the ball. Examples include, but are not limited to, making loud noises, stomping feet, waving the paddle in a distracting manner, or otherwise interfering with the opponent’s concentration or ability to hit the ball."
I'm familiar with the rule. I'm not 100% sure that was a distraction. I have seen that shot used before. There was a referee and he did not call it. But, thanks for pointing it out.
@@mikebellamy4760 That shot is very hard to execute and a player taking the chance should no way be called for a distraction. It's a deception not a distraction. Good for him. Well done!
it was his team's turn to hit the ball and it was already over to his side of the net, so he is not interfering with his opponents ability to hit the ball.
It's definitely not racquetball. I play Pickleball with a guy who is a professional racquetball player. He hits so many balls out of the court it's not even funny! Thanks for watching.
I played excellent racquetball and in pickleball there’s so much more strategy! Racquetball is fast but so is pickleball when all four players are at the kitchen firing away!
First pt .. Guy tried to hit behind the girl cause she shifted middle . No mistake there, correct shot . Girl just made an athletic play to get a good paddle on it . If he tried to roll it back to the baseline again the girl was in position to poach.
In the first part when sean serves it, if hes still trying to make his way to the kitchen by dropping it, should his partner already be up at the kitchen? shouldnt she wait a good time to move up? id assume if he continues to hit drop shots that are not landing in the nvz his opponents could have easily just put it away towards his partner since shes up but with them having the advantage
Thanks for asking. It's not a good idea for his partner to run up to the kitchen blindly without knowing if the third shot drop is going to be effective. Thanks for watching.
I agree. On a return of serve, you 'run' to the kitchen to form a defensive wall with your partner, who is already there. If your partner is hitting the 3rd shot from the baseline, you shouldn't run to the kitchen because it opens a wide gap on your side that your opponents will target. If the ball goes high enough to your opponent at the kitchen, who is across from the player at the baseline, it will be an easy put-away in the gap. Excellent play on both sides. Good communication..."bounce it", "you go", etc This was a great game!
This is a nitpick, but slice is the type of shot, not the type of spin. Slice is a reference to the swing motion, the spin that you get from a slice is called backspin or underspin.
Thank you for the critique of our game. I enjoyed hearing your observations. And learned many things from watching.
You're welcome! I thought you all were great. Congratulations on the win. You and Shawn deserved it!
As pickleball enthusiast Amy you make 50 look like the new 30 great hustle congrats on victory!!
Hello, a 5 player can not play in a 4.5 tournament,. But a 4.5 can play in a 5+ tournament. Correct?
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That was a MASTERCLASS by both teams! Jolly good show!
Yes! It was really good. Thanks for watching.
Fantastic match and great sportsmanship.
I appreciate you watching and agree. They were a pleasure to watch.
Wonderful to see a skillful game played without relying on drives
Exactly. They are very good. Thanks for watching.
Drives are part of the game, I don’t understand why some people get mad about it
Everybody should have fun , win or lose😀
As a 62 yr old advanced player, this was a fantastic match, Sean reminds me of myself, very patient & outstanding drops, Amy is so good too, no screaming or posturing either, very enjoyable to watch & great commentary too!
Thanks for the nice compliment. I appreciate you watching.
That was awesome! Go, Amy! 🙂
She is really good. Thanks for watching!
Very well played finesse game. There is a certain beauty in it. I saw this video before you chose it. Good choice!
Thank you! I really appreciate it!
A high quality game here. My partner and I played Amy and Sean in first round and they have good skills but don’t overlook the mental part of their game which is so crucial. Their shot selection is really good as well as their patience.
Good point! Glad you got to play against them. Thanks for watching.
Nice educational break down of the play. Thanks!
Thanks for the compliment and thanks for watching.
A pleasure to watch this game
Yes, it was. Glad you watched it.
Wonderful match🎉 Amy played so good👍
She was amazing! Thanks for watching.
10:34 Amazing rally!
It was! They are very good players. Thanks for watching.
Great commentaries and what a great match.
Thanks so much for watching. It was a great match.
You keep talking about Shawn’s drops, but he was totally pounded on it multiple times. I truly appreciate the time he has spent on mastering that shot, but if it’s not perfect and your opponent is already established at the kitchen line at the 4.0 level it’s coming back HARD.
Leigh Waters say’s the third shot drop is a totally defensive play and if not executed to perfection at a higher level of duper it is a totally wasted shot.
She wants to see a drive up the middle or to the backhand side of her opponent that puts them on the defensive and creates pop ups and miss hits.
Great match. Thanks for bringing it.
agree. its only because they are 50 plus, at a certain age you tend to hit less hard drives ...
All I was trying to point out is that a third shot drop into the kitchen from behind the service line is a very difficult shot. Shawn did a great job with it. I was just complimenting him. Do you really think a drive from way back there would be more effective? Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787I do think a third shot drive is more effective which is why that’s what you see at the pro level. At the highest level you’re seeing third shot drive, in an attempt to force the popup and the crasher puts away the fifth. And if they handle the drive, then you have an easier, closer range fifth shot drop.
@@meizhou2275depends what level. A lot of senior pros drive and roll drive more.
@@jhsporty roll drive? You mean dipping drive?
Awesome game. Highly skilled. What a beast Amy was throughout. Very impressive. And Sean's fakeout net shot will be in my repertoire going forward, for sure.
Yes. I thought she was very, very good. She was in it to win it 100%. Thanks for watching.
Great game!!
I thought so! Thanks for watching.
Good match. Couple of observations:
1. In the early part of the game, Amy kept rushing to the net on the 3rd shot, without checking to see whether Sean’s drop was good or not. She’s putting herself in a danger zone if Sean’s drop is high. Maybe she trusts her partner, who admittedly is quite good at drops, but still, a bad habit imo.
2. A lot of dinking and dropping to the middle when Adam and Julie had their forehands in the middle. Hitting to a spot where there are 2 forehands to hurt you is not the optimal shot (unless it's a putaway shot).
Both good observations. Thanks for watching.
Definitely not a bad habit. This isn’t rec. Yes it would be a bad habit if you don’t know what kind of 3rd is coming. But like you pointed out, she knows her partner, trusts her partner. At the highest levels, you definitely crash. If you stay back like a 3.5 rec player, you are going to miss out on critical offensive opportunities.
@@douglasmurdoch7247 Watch ALW. She always looks at her partner's third shot before deciding to move up or stay back. That's the way to do it.
@ that’s not true at all. ALW trusts Ben’s thirds implicitly, and is often already running up to crash and poach as soon as he makes contact. Same with someone like Riley Newman. Say Alshon takes the third from the right, Riley is up, crashing hard.
The advice to cautiously stay back and only advance if you see a good drop is for 3.5s, not pros. When you know your partner’s third is going to be good 90% of the time or more, you start to aggressively crash. The worst thing that can happen is that they float something and you’re still standing back because you were scared, and miss the volley opportunity.
@@douglasmurdoch7247 Agree to disagree on the whole concept. In ALW's case, she always looks before she moves. She does not blindly rush forward.
For the first point, I can see why Julie choose to hit the ball to the lady in the near court instead of the guy in the transition zone though. I believe it is because the lady in yellow moved quite far into the middle to cover for her partner; therefore, Julie intention was to put the ball behind the lady in yellow. However, the ball was not fast enough to get behind her (probably because it was a back hand and Julie wanted to ensure the accuracy). As a result, the point was concluded
Thanks for your comment. I really appreciate you watching.
The shot at 20:11 should have been called for a distraction. "3.A.7. Distraction - Physical actions by a player that are ‘not common to the game’ that, in the judgment of the referee, may interfere with the opponent’s ability or concentration to hit the ball. Examples include, but are not limited to, making loud noises, stomping feet, waving the paddle in a distracting manner, or otherwise interfering with the opponent’s concentration or ability to hit the ball."
I'm familiar with the rule. I'm not 100% sure that was a distraction. I have seen that shot used before. There was a referee and he did not call it. But, thanks for pointing it out.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 If it's not a distraction I'm not sure why he did it:) But I take your point. Keep up the good work :)
@@mikebellamy4760 That shot is very hard to execute and a player taking the chance should no way be called for a distraction. It's a deception not a distraction. Good for him. Well done!
it was his team's turn to hit the ball and it was already over to his side of the net, so he is not interfering with his opponents ability to hit the ball.
Yeah, great game! Any idea what the ages are of the players?
55 to 59
55-59.
Looks like a pleasant game. I've played racquetball for decades and this would def be slower and an adjustment.
It's definitely not racquetball. I play Pickleball with a guy who is a professional racquetball player. He hits so many balls out of the court it's not even funny! Thanks for watching.
I played excellent racquetball and in pickleball there’s so much more strategy! Racquetball is fast but so is pickleball when all four players are at the kitchen firing away!
First pt .. Guy tried to hit behind the girl cause she shifted middle . No mistake there, correct shot . Girl just made an athletic play to get a good paddle on it . If he tried to roll it back to the baseline again the girl was in position to poach.
Thanks for watching and thanks for pointing that out!
I wonder if Amy played volleyball in her younger years. She can easily get into a low lung/squat with her paddle low. Amazing 👏
I have no idea. You are correct. She's a very good player. Thanks for watching.
Hi this is Amy from the video. I was not a volleyball player but a basketball and softball player. Thanks.
Did we not see this same game posted about a week ago? Was that video deleted?
That's the only video I did at that game. The original video was posted as well.
How do I contact you? I have a video I’d love to hear your thoughts on.
Thanks for asking. The only way I can do it is if you have a UA-cam channel and you send me a link to the video. I'll be happy to do it.
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I'll check it out and see if I can maybe get to it this week. Thanks.
@ No problem. If you need the raw footage I can send it, as well as the names and ratings of the players involved.
Reply to this comment with the names of the players, their ratings and how I can tell one from the other. Thanks.
In the first part when sean serves it, if hes still trying to make his way to the kitchen by dropping it, should his partner already be up at the kitchen? shouldnt she wait a good time to move up? id assume if he continues to hit drop shots that are not landing in the nvz his opponents could have easily just put it away towards his partner since shes up but with them having the advantage
you gotta take risk sometimes to win
Thanks for asking. It's not a good idea for his partner to run up to the kitchen blindly without knowing if the third shot drop is going to be effective. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Thanks for answering!!!!
I agree.
On a return of serve, you 'run' to the kitchen to form a defensive wall with your partner, who is already there.
If your partner is hitting the 3rd shot from the baseline, you shouldn't run to the kitchen because it opens a wide gap on your side that your opponents will target.
If the ball goes high enough to your opponent at the kitchen, who is across from the player at the baseline, it will be an easy put-away in the gap.
Excellent play on both sides. Good communication..."bounce it", "you go", etc
This was a great game!
@@CWK090 Awesome! Just wanted to clarify!
This is a nitpick, but slice is the type of shot, not the type of spin. Slice is a reference to the swing motion, the spin that you get from a slice is called backspin or underspin.
Okay. Thanks.
Third shot drop by Sean is way too high for his supposed level. He needs to work on that
Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching.
maybe we have different concepts " so so good" ...
So, are you saying the aren't so, so good? Are or there better than so, so good? Maybe I should have said great.