I looked into it and DC actually did put out a trade of The Shield that has the first 6 issues and a few of the opening one shots. It's called The Shield: kicking down the door
Cool, I didn't see that, appreciate you sharing it. I pinned your post so hopefully anyone interested will see that too. I couldn't find it on Amazon or the like, but maybe if someone wants to track them down they will have better luck.
I actually enjoyed the Archie supers in the DCU. I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who read and enjoyed those issues, but they always made me feel like the Archie supers really fit into the DCU.
I’ve been fascinated by the red circle characters ever since I saw them in an advertisement in some magazine in the 80s. It’s a damn that their appearance in the DC universe was so short-lived. Either way this is a great video. Cheers.
Yeah, I think the characters had potential but it probably didn't help most didn't know who they were. Maybe if SHIELD joined the JSA or someone got a more meaningful appearance in another book save a couple one panel cameos, or a guest appearance in a book no one was reading either.
In 2009 to 2010 I have lot of red circle : the Shield, The web and mighty crusaders, it is versión of future comics. More cameo of héroes famous the Shield meets Magog,The Flash, Russian amor to The Fox, the web meets Batgirl. I love team mighty crusaders as twilight zone war.
I have lot of the shield, the web, the black hood, Jaguar, the comet, the Fly of Impact comics, it was nostalgy of my teenager, they are famous héroes of 1990's.
I have always enjoyed the Archies heroes , my fave was the Impact line but the Red Circle version of The Web was outstanding. I do think DC should give them another go
In theory I do too, but it is harder now than ever for a second tier character to get any kind of focused series or even mini-series. So I got a feeling if they did they would just be more second or third string heroes fighting for any kind of spotlight.
My first contact with the Archie Super-Heroes was The Impact imprint. Didn't really click, but the next attempt by DC (2009) was spectacular. I loved it. I'm just re-reading these books now, and I wish these characters (and the Red Circle imprint) were still alive and kicking with the DC proper. I'd have followed every one of them. They are sorely missed.
I never really read the comics but I came into possession of the full run of the Who's Who issues they did for them (full-on loose leaf format) and there look to be some good characters there, they just really need a break.
The Who's Who you are reffering too (unless they did loose leaf who's who pages in the 2000's which I am pretty sure they didn't) are from Archie's Impact! comics line, which was the original attempt by DC to use these characters. This video talks about their second attempt which was much less successful but in my opinion much more interesting, and produced better stories in it's short time with DC.
@@dantheman8103 Yeah, that is the one. Sorry if I was unclear. It was back when DC was doing all their Who's Who books that way. I got the whole set of the DC run and the Impact! run.
@@LibraGamesUnlimited I used to have those too, it was a cool idea. I kind of wish they would bring them back, but then again with the internet I guess there would be less call for that kind of resource.
@@dantheman8103 Yeah, sales for both Who's Who and Secret Origins was always very hit or miss. When I first got into comics, in the '80s, they helped me learn about the past and fill in holes in what I knew.
I have always enjoyed the Archie SH characters since discovering them in the 80s. I did like the Impact line fro DC. However since I can no longer afford to buy new comic regularly I had been unaware of the newer DC attempt with these guys. Now I will have to try to find back issues of them.🐒
As far as I know unless it just happened Archie still owns them. Both times DC used the characters they licensed them, they have never actually owned them. Again, unless that is something that just happened real recently.
I hope I'm in a position to read these comics the next time they relaunch!! Maybe they should drop a top notch tangable encyclopedias of MLJ before the next run, as well as updating all digital sites.... And I know this company has money so maybe Might Crusaders Animated Show.
The best window for something like that might have closed with networks, cable channels and even streaming cutting down on original programming. But a Mighty Crusafters Animated Series is a decent idea for sure :)
My guess would be that if they did that, then if they wanted to reprint them if/when their license with Archie ended it would be difficult if not impossible. So they probably wanted to at least wait until they knew if the comics were going to go over well with fans before having them join a superhero team or the like. It was good he at least got to team up with them before the experiment ended.
It could be an option for Netflix to licence these characters since they no longer produce Marvel programs. There was a Punisher / Archie team-up some years back.
I first encountered them in 91 with Impact. Still the best outfit for Shield. As for Red Circle, I loved Hangman, Web, and Comet. Did not like the "HBO" take that Dark Circle tried. Picked up Liefeld's new Shield take. Liked it. But I still want a new DC take. And Inferno was revealed to be a Durlan in a story.
Have not read the Dark Circle take but to be honest they didn't look that good. Looks like interest is already waining also so sadly looks like it will be another ultimately short lived and forgotten attempt to revive them. I guess around 2030 we can see them try again. Sad fact is there just might not be a place for them anymore. I mean all the attempts had talented writers and artist behind them, but nothing ever caught on. I think they are just too dated and will always have to hard of a time not just looking like low rent Marvel and DC characters to most fans these days. Even if they aren't really that.
@@dantheman8103 I don't see them as dated. No more so than other heroes. I just think they need a better backdrop. Like what Dynamite did with Project Superpowers. Characters need a "playset" of sorts. Especially ones that haven't been seen in a while. Don't change the character, just the backdrop.
I am no copywrite lawyer. But the copywites don't expire until I think it's 95 years after publication. So you can't just decide to use it. You could but the characters from Archie in theory, but assuming they wouldn't do that cheap, or at all. lol.
I think it would be wise for Warner Brothers Discovery to buy Archie Comics. Riverdale has been a successful show and the Red Circle superheroes have a history with DC so it makes sense. Plus, this would give WBD more scale and content.
@@dantheman8103 This is true. However, the eventual plan is for WBD to merge either with Paramount Global or NBCUniversal because WBD lacks enough scale to compete well with Disney and Netflix.
@@josephbrown6906 They shouldn't. Warner Brothers had the largest TV and Movie library of anyone including DIsney even after the FOX merger. And that was before Discovery bought them which has only made it bigger. I would think they should be able to compete but maybe they are just too broke. Hard the rumors and theories they want to sell it off. Could be.
WOW.I remember IMPACT COMICS!!!! LOL.😊😊I bought and read the SHIELD,JAGUAR,the FLY and MIGHTY CRUSADERS!! What a line-up,now I don't much read nor buy modern comics,nothing really GRABs and HOLDs my attention anymore.
There are still good modern comics. Should be noted while Impact was a lot of fun, this video was about their second attempt to use the characters after Impact. Not about Impact Comics.
Personally now that the Arrow verse is more than likely over except for Superman and Lois wish I guest will be moving to HBO Max after season 3 with Stargirl and The Flash will be ending with season 9 then CW should start producing shows based on the Archie superheroes instead and connect them to Riverdale especially now that Archie and the gang have powers now it could be call the Riververse.
rob liefeld just did a mighty crusaders one shot the sheild. i thought DCa sheild wasnt bad , i thought they did a good job with the web and fly girl. DC just had too many characters they tried to add to their universe. look at how long the charlton characters have been part of the DCU and none of them are in a book. even the marvel family cap cap jr mary they arent a big part of the DCU . and DC has had them sinbce the 70s. milestone and red circle have no chance in the DCU. better to split them off and do their own thing.
I think Milestone, especially Static have a chance, but it took decades and a popular animated series to get him to that chance. As you said, just so many characters. Also doesn't help that no DC has a much smaller number of monthly books giving everyone not in the JLA less slots to fight for.
I'm honestly more than tired of DC trying to force other companies into their universe. Let them be their own thing. When you have superman you don't need 8 other super man analogues from other universes also existing. It also is harder to let the heros stand out or take an important place in the universe.
I do agree especially now, it is too hard to have anyone who isn't one of the big 7 carry a book for long, so the last thing DC needs is more heroes absorbed. Although I think they are mostly done with that these days. I mean, who would they even absorb at this point?
@@dantheman8103 give them time. There will be new universes. Maybe they'll buy malibu from marvel. But yeah they've absorbed practically everyone. I really think wildstorm was the camel that broke the proverbial back.
Guessing that would not be cheap. And probably not worth it. Archie has had something of a renisance but even today and especially before Riverdale a lot of people, even comic fans, didn't now Archie still published comics. And DC tried with the MLJ heroes twice already. In the modern age of fewer books out per month if DC bought them now they would likely become just another seldom used group of superheroes DC owned but didn't seem to fully know what to do with.
It feels like DC comics really wants to buy the MLJ superheroes and make them a big part of the DC universe but won't due to them being licensed. Marvel will never ever touch them as they already created rip-offs and popularized them to the max. If I were in charge of DC comics, I'd deal with Archie comics and try to buy the MLJ superheroes from them as these original characters have potential to make money.
I would think they could afford them if they wanted to. Maybe DC is gun shy given the attempts to work them into DC have failed. I fully believe had this experiment been successful DC would have eventually bought the MLJ Superheroes. But the comics tanked so it never happened.
@@dantheman8103 It would have worked if DC decided to do a massive reboot and in the first phase put absolute focus on Superman, The Shield, Batman, Wonder woman and the JSA in a WW2 setting and using them to slowly introduce all the other characters into the universe. Who cares if they booked The Shield as the Captain America of the DC universe cuz we all know who the original is. If the characters were used from the very start of a brand new DC universe then the readers would invest into them and organically accept them as an integral part. Putting them in the middle of an ongoing series certainly did no favor for the MLJ heroes.
Marvel could use them to tell stories from the past. A number of them are going to end up in the public domain. The Shield is actually older than Captain America
the problem with dc handle of red circle comics is that dc went "dark". these arent dark comics they should have gave them a more positve retro feel. dc will never understand that sometimes people just want a happy postive light read.
The Web and Hangman had loads of potential. Obviously had DC kept them they would have had to evolve even by now, so do wonder what they would have become by this point. But sadly we will never know.
I looked into it and DC actually did put out a trade of The Shield that has the first 6 issues and a few of the opening one shots. It's called The Shield: kicking down the door
Cool, I didn't see that, appreciate you sharing it. I pinned your post so hopefully anyone interested will see that too. I couldn't find it on Amazon or the like, but maybe if someone wants to track them down they will have better luck.
@@dantheman8103 mlj cinematic universe
@@dannypanthom4093 That actually would be interesting.
@@dantheman8103 please make a video about that
I actually enjoyed the Archie supers in the DCU. I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who read and enjoyed those issues, but they always made me feel like the Archie supers really fit into the DCU.
I enjoyed them too. Shame more people didn't read them.
I’ve been fascinated by the red circle characters ever since I saw them in an advertisement in some magazine in the 80s. It’s a damn that their appearance in the DC universe was so short-lived. Either way this is a great video. Cheers.
Yeah, I think the characters had potential but it probably didn't help most didn't know who they were. Maybe if SHIELD joined the JSA or someone got a more meaningful appearance in another book save a couple one panel cameos, or a guest appearance in a book no one was reading either.
In 2009 to 2010 I have lot of red circle : the Shield, The web and mighty crusaders, it is versión of future comics. More cameo of héroes famous the Shield meets Magog,The Flash, Russian amor to The Fox, the web meets Batgirl. I love team mighty crusaders as twilight zone war.
I have lot of the shield, the web, the black hood, Jaguar, the comet, the Fly of Impact comics, it was nostalgy of my teenager, they are famous héroes of 1990's.
The Impact Comics in the 90's are comics I remember fondly too. Not perfect but a lot of fun.
I have always enjoyed the Archies heroes , my fave was the Impact line but the Red Circle version of The Web was outstanding. I do think DC should give them another go
In theory I do too, but it is harder now than ever for a second tier character to get any kind of focused series or even mini-series. So I got a feeling if they did they would just be more second or third string heroes fighting for any kind of spotlight.
@@dantheman8103 they always give them the Milestone treatment , they have succesfully relaunched the Milestone universe as Earth M
I want DC to buy them all, then relaunch All-Star Squadron with these characters implemented into that team in their classic, golden age glory.
That would be cool. Honestly enough new lore has been added to Golden Age DC Heroes I wish DC would re-launch All Star Squadron in general.
The whistle spook me 8:40
My first contact with the Archie Super-Heroes was The Impact imprint. Didn't really click, but the next attempt by DC (2009) was spectacular. I loved it. I'm just re-reading these books now, and I wish these characters (and the Red Circle imprint) were still alive and kicking with the DC proper. I'd have followed every one of them. They are sorely missed.
I do agree they were good characters, shame they didn't get time to reach their full potential. The Shield in the JSA would have been epic.
I never really read the comics but I came into possession of the full run of the Who's Who issues they did for them (full-on loose leaf format) and there look to be some good characters there, they just really need a break.
The Who's Who you are reffering too (unless they did loose leaf who's who pages in the 2000's which I am pretty sure they didn't) are from Archie's Impact! comics line, which was the original attempt by DC to use these characters. This video talks about their second attempt which was much less successful but in my opinion much more interesting, and produced better stories in it's short time with DC.
@@dantheman8103 Yeah, that is the one. Sorry if I was unclear. It was back when DC was doing all their Who's Who books that way. I got the whole set of the DC run and the Impact! run.
@@LibraGamesUnlimited I used to have those too, it was a cool idea. I kind of wish they would bring them back, but then again with the internet I guess there would be less call for that kind of resource.
@@dantheman8103 Yeah, sales for both Who's Who and Secret Origins was always very hit or miss.
When I first got into comics, in the '80s, they helped me learn about the past and fill in holes in what I knew.
@@dantheman8103 On a side note that seemed to be a thing at the time, I recall AD&D did a monster book like that, my DM had it.
I have always enjoyed the Archie SH characters since discovering them in the 80s. I did like the Impact line fro DC. However since I can no longer afford to buy new comic regularly I had been unaware of the newer DC attempt with these guys. Now I will have to try to find back issues of them.🐒
Only good side to them is as far as I know they don't cost much. Finding them without going on ebay is probably hard though.
TRULY THE BEST THEM WAS SIMON AND KIRBY IN THE SHIELD AND THE FLY FUN TO READ AND KIRBY ARTWORK.
Hlo Mr Dan the man I read on wekipedia that DC bought the Archie comics characters is that true.
As far as I know unless it just happened Archie still owns them. Both times DC used the characters they licensed them, they have never actually owned them. Again, unless that is something that just happened real recently.
I hope I'm in a position to read these comics the next time they relaunch!! Maybe they should drop a top notch tangable encyclopedias of MLJ before the next run, as well as updating all digital sites.... And I know this company has money so maybe Might Crusaders Animated Show.
The best window for something like that might have closed with networks, cable channels and even streaming cutting down on original programming. But a Mighty Crusafters Animated Series is a decent idea for sure :)
@@dantheman8103I wish all the small comic book companies came together to form a streaming site...
Why on Earth would you put the Sheild into the DCU and not find a way to tie him into the JSA in some form or another?
My guess would be that if they did that, then if they wanted to reprint them if/when their license with Archie ended it would be difficult if not impossible. So they probably wanted to at least wait until they knew if the comics were going to go over well with fans before having them join a superhero team or the like. It was good he at least got to team up with them before the experiment ended.
@@dantheman8103 Yeah, I saw that part in your vid after I posted. :)
It could be an option for Netflix to licence these characters since they no longer produce Marvel programs. There was a Punisher / Archie team-up some years back.
That would be interesting, the right people behind it and Netflix could do some interesting things with these characters.
I first encountered them in 91 with Impact. Still the best outfit for Shield. As for Red Circle, I loved Hangman, Web, and Comet. Did not like the "HBO" take that Dark Circle tried. Picked up Liefeld's new Shield take. Liked it. But I still want a new DC take. And Inferno was revealed to be a Durlan in a story.
Have not read the Dark Circle take but to be honest they didn't look that good. Looks like interest is already waining also so sadly looks like it will be another ultimately short lived and forgotten attempt to revive them. I guess around 2030 we can see them try again. Sad fact is there just might not be a place for them anymore. I mean all the attempts had talented writers and artist behind them, but nothing ever caught on. I think they are just too dated and will always have to hard of a time not just looking like low rent Marvel and DC characters to most fans these days. Even if they aren't really that.
@@dantheman8103 I don't see them as dated. No more so than other heroes. I just think they need a better backdrop. Like what Dynamite did with Project Superpowers. Characters need a "playset" of sorts. Especially ones that haven't been seen in a while. Don't change the character, just the backdrop.
I think i could reboot these characters if permission is granted by owners... After so many years copyrights can be given to anyone?
I am no copywrite lawyer. But the copywites don't expire until I think it's 95 years after publication. So you can't just decide to use it. You could but the characters from Archie in theory, but assuming they wouldn't do that cheap, or at all. lol.
There characters look cool as hell
Yeah, the characters still hold up pretty well today I think, shame Archie and/or DC can never make them truly take off.
I think it would be wise for Warner Brothers Discovery to buy Archie Comics. Riverdale has been a successful show and the Red Circle superheroes have a history with DC so it makes sense. Plus, this would give WBD more scale and content.
I agree, but all WBD seems to do these days is cancel things to save money. So can't see anything like that happening any time soon.
@@dantheman8103 This is true. However, the eventual plan is for WBD to merge either with Paramount Global or NBCUniversal because WBD lacks enough scale to compete well with Disney and Netflix.
@@josephbrown6906 They shouldn't. Warner Brothers had the largest TV and Movie library of anyone including DIsney even after the FOX merger. And that was before Discovery bought them which has only made it bigger. I would think they should be able to compete but maybe they are just too broke. Hard the rumors and theories they want to sell it off. Could be.
WOW.I remember IMPACT COMICS!!!! LOL.😊😊I bought and read the SHIELD,JAGUAR,the FLY and MIGHTY CRUSADERS!! What a line-up,now I don't much read nor buy modern comics,nothing really GRABs and HOLDs my attention anymore.
There are still good modern comics. Should be noted while Impact was a lot of fun, this video was about their second attempt to use the characters after Impact. Not about Impact Comics.
@@dantheman8103 Duly noted.
Arent the mlj superheroes in the public domain
Personally now that the Arrow verse is more than likely over except for Superman and Lois wish I guest will be moving to HBO Max after season 3 with Stargirl and The Flash will be ending with season 9 then CW should start producing shows based on the Archie superheroes instead and connect them to Riverdale especially now that Archie and the gang have powers now it could be call the Riververse.
Riverdale would be crazy enough to do that. But not sure if the end result would be good. lol
rob liefeld just did a mighty crusaders one shot the sheild. i thought DCa sheild wasnt bad , i thought they did a good job with the web and fly girl. DC just had too many characters they tried to add to their universe. look at how long the charlton characters have been part of the DCU and none of them are in a book. even the marvel family cap cap jr mary they arent a big part of the DCU . and DC has had them sinbce the 70s. milestone and red circle have no chance in the DCU. better to split them off and do their own thing.
I think Milestone, especially Static have a chance, but it took decades and a popular animated series to get him to that chance. As you said, just so many characters. Also doesn't help that no DC has a much smaller number of monthly books giving everyone not in the JLA less slots to fight for.
I'm honestly more than tired of DC trying to force other companies into their universe. Let them be their own thing. When you have superman you don't need 8 other super man analogues from other universes also existing. It also is harder to let the heros stand out or take an important place in the universe.
I do agree especially now, it is too hard to have anyone who isn't one of the big 7 carry a book for long, so the last thing DC needs is more heroes absorbed. Although I think they are mostly done with that these days. I mean, who would they even absorb at this point?
@@dantheman8103 give them time. There will be new universes. Maybe they'll buy malibu from marvel. But yeah they've absorbed practically everyone. I really think wildstorm was the camel that broke the proverbial back.
DC should just buy Archie at this point.
Guessing that would not be cheap. And probably not worth it. Archie has had something of a renisance but even today and especially before Riverdale a lot of people, even comic fans, didn't now Archie still published comics. And DC tried with the MLJ heroes twice already. In the modern age of fewer books out per month if DC bought them now they would likely become just another seldom used group of superheroes DC owned but didn't seem to fully know what to do with.
It feels like DC comics really wants to buy the MLJ superheroes and make them a big part of the DC universe but won't due to them being licensed. Marvel will never ever touch them as they already created rip-offs and popularized them to the max.
If I were in charge of DC comics, I'd deal with Archie comics and try to buy the MLJ superheroes from them as these original characters have potential to make money.
I would think they could afford them if they wanted to. Maybe DC is gun shy given the attempts to work them into DC have failed. I fully believe had this experiment been successful DC would have eventually bought the MLJ Superheroes. But the comics tanked so it never happened.
@@dantheman8103 It would have worked if DC decided to do a massive reboot and in the first phase put absolute focus on Superman, The Shield, Batman, Wonder woman and the JSA in a WW2 setting and using them to slowly introduce all the other characters into the universe. Who cares if they booked The Shield as the Captain America of the DC universe cuz we all know who the original is.
If the characters were used from the very start of a brand new DC universe then the readers would invest into them and organically accept them as an integral part. Putting them in the middle of an ongoing series certainly did no favor for the MLJ heroes.
Marvel could use them to tell stories from the past. A number of them are going to end up in the public domain. The Shield is actually older than Captain America
the problem with dc handle of red circle comics is that dc went "dark".
these arent dark comics they should have gave them a more positve retro feel.
dc will never understand that sometimes people just want a happy postive light read.
Very valid point.
I think the word you're searching for is "Loan Out"
It's a shame cause some of them sound interesting
The Web and Hangman had loads of potential. Obviously had DC kept them they would have had to evolve even by now, so do wonder what they would have become by this point. But sadly we will never know.
Damn, i loved The Web and Shield characters, wish DC would bought at least rights for them, and maybe Hangman
All their Red Circle characters were good additions to the DC Universe in my opinion. Shame it didn't work out.