QUADS vs BROADWAY! Tom Dwan and Garrett Adelstein Face Off
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2021
- Tom Dwan flops a set against Garrett Adelstein, and fireworks ensue. It's a high stakes poker cash game with almost $2 million on the table. Can Garrett avoid getting stacked in a brutal cooler situation?
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If you're having a hard time playing jacks correctly, literally all you have to do is hit quads.
What if you are against quad queens?
@@dingleberry4013 Quadder Jacks
@@dingleberry4013 Then you better hope you hit the fifth Jack on the river
Garrett made the wrong choice. He should have went all in here to consolidate the money,!and then follow Tom into the parking lot.
What about.. dueces wild? %>)
Garret is unbelievable. The dude is rarely wrong. He’s basically what Mike Possile is with his phone
Ah ah 😂
@Dr. Phillip Montgomery it’s not pretty obvious at all what you talking about, it’s easy cos you can see the cards, stop making out your some pro. But I would of folded to because what are Dwans bluffs in that spot, barely none compared to the combinations of hands that have Garret beat
@Dr. Phillip Montgomery you would of paid em off🤣🤣
@@Charlton2010 lol u say it’s not obvious then u say you would’ve folded too. Then you insult the other poster about his poker ability. Allow me to interject because I can tell by your critical thinking skills that you lose regularly in poker so perhaps some direct criticism is what you need. Stop commenting on poker videos.
@Dr. Phillip Montgomery I would have payed Durrrr off for a variety of reasons, but that's just because I A) Know he is capable of bluffing there and while that Jack downgrades me to less than the nuts, the only hands that play this way are so weird they don't make much sense EXCEPT FOR JACKS, which if he has quads then lol he has quads. B) I wasn't around for the rest of the hands that Garret played with him before, it's entirely possible he picked up a read on Durrrr that gave him a better idea of where he was so he could fold. We do not know.
The fact that you are willing to call yourself a pro, yet say how obvious this was blows my mind. Against any old player than sure, maybe, but against someone who is KNOWN for their absolutely ridiculous bluffs, I think the tank is very reasonable. The fact that Garrett didn't call shocked me, with the way the action went and the price Durrrr gave him it seemed like such an easy bluff to pick off, I guess that's why me and you are stuck in our stakes and Garrett is where he is huh XD
Such a sick hand. So many people always claim Garrett runs SO GOOD, but really he runs into plenty of bad and unlucky hands too, he just makes better decisions than most of us would and also gets paid more often when he has strong hands. If Memory serves me correctly, Tom and Garrett were actually discussing what they had in several hands later in the session, it was so cool to see.
You wouldn't happen to have a link to that would you kind sir?
@@BoeingPrototype I don't unfortunately. It was a long stream. Maybe someone else has the timestamp?
Anybody who mentions that somebody runs good and implies that they usually do doesn’t really understand much. Not one person has more luck than the other.
@@gagebillingsley1025 If you play this many hands, its almost impossible to "run good"
@@gagebillingsley1025 I agree, but its funny how even the commentators say it lol!
Optimally played by both sides. Excellent overbet on the river, screams weakness, excellent value raise, insane fold. I love hold em
Nwww, the 25k bet sucks
@@michaelangst6078 is a good bet. Weaker hands call, and better hands raise.
The overbet doesn't scream weakness, he was just very polarized and if he was bluffing, he'd be trying to get hands like AK to fold, so it needs to be big size
Losing to 28 starting hands, really only beating a bluff or q9
Dwan's raise was too high. Easy fold.
Garrett is one of the best cash players I've seen
He plays excellent and many great folds and calls and durr another great player
he also runs like god
I guess he needs to test his game in macau
He is crazy talented.
@@rooksman64 it seems that way because you only watch highlights. Gotta realize he always buys in the max amount. And he does run bad too. You just don’t see it in the highlights but go check out the 8 hour video lol
The best part about watching Dwan play is his ability to not show any emotions.
his abillity "to get there" is even better ...
Its better if he was acting more like stress and worrying about his hands rubbing his for heads with sigh..
He never calls the clock too
@@emersonovd.sikowski4965 How is that better ?
@@fractal_mind562 coz he keep same faces over and over again which is pretty common and predictable.. think who's the best actor in poker ?
THIS IS LITERALLY EPIC, TY FOR SUCH AMAZIN SHARING
Garret always seems to get away from spots where a lot of people would call. Especially against Tom who has a image. I get that he's a pro. But there could be hours of hands where he avoids disaster.
So true. Uncanny how many times he escapes these spots. One of the best players of the game.
That may be true but it's not that hard to get away from this. KKs 10s JJs KJ J10 all beat him
It’s insane. He seems to fold 99 percent of the time in the right situations. He did get bluffed by mikki who had a a 5 high
He can beat no value hand here. Not that hard
Garret is so good. He routinely correctly folds monsters that I never could.
dwan's poker face from 3:52 to 7:52 is amazing
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So wise zen masyer
with quads its easy
I can do that. Just breath not moving that’s all
Good to see Tom Dwan again
Is it? He owes people hundreds of thousands
He’s the poker equivalent of Isreal
Thanks. ✌🏻👊🏼
what a nice match up there. both great players.
This two are my favorite poker players
That call call check raise is so strong though. Im usually calling the check raise there and always being wrong 😂
where can I watch full game play?
One of the craziest folds I’ve ever seen. Incredible poker
Two of my all-time favorites!
Giant Garrett, meet Legendurrrrrrr.
Same here. My 2 favorits I thought I'd never see the day these 2 are at the same table.
Meet a guy who bluffs ivey with 9 high!
Dunno how anyone can fold that against Dwan. Amazing fold!
On the turn Garrett thought to himself maybe dreams do come true 🤣🤣
Great play by both parties
I would've snap folded that in a second not because of understanding ranges or having a read just would've craped myself
Haha casually bets the deposit of a house
Sick fold. Seriously.. Amazing beahviour.
It's one of the best folds I've seen in cash games. Garrett realized his straight is a bluff catcher when Dwan came over the top
of his overbet on the river. Sure he could be bluffing there Dwan's capable of it but in general this was a great fold and good read.
he also limped with JJ
stop saying "bluff catcher" lol he can beat a-j
@@LIONTAMER3D if aj raises an overbet on the river there its doing it as a bluff.
@@mantasvalciukas5734 when you learn to play, you'll see more ckearly
@@LIONTAMER3D oh yes, the pro tip
I hope some interview with GMan down the line addresses this specific hand. Would love to hear him recap his mental rundown of how the hand was played and how he found a fold. Combos of value and bluffs were nearly even, by my assessment. GMan blocked the common bluff candidates, also. Epic, epic example of poker I.Q.
I'm curious to know which bluff hands you can put Tom on here? Its a rainbow board with no flush draws. It was only 1 bet pre-flop call by Tom so he doesn't have AK. Garrett has AQ so he blocks other AQ bluffs - 9 combos there.
Other than that which bluffs? KQ? Q9 suited? 98 suited not likely with the K on board. So maybe another 12 combos for bluffs?
Made hands you can easily put Dwan on KJ, J10, 44. If he slow played maybe KK but more likely 1010. That's 24 combos.
Great fold, good stuff Garrett 👍🏼
wonderful the way both players play that hand !! Great !!
That’s a helluva play!
Had the privilege of seeing this live.
Were you at the table?
Awesome
@@helpmeinburning ... Seat 5
But you would have had no clue what anyone had.
what a great play from both of them!
The fake yawns 😂😂😂
"a few more bux" lol.
El mejor fold que vi en mis años de poker. Se tomó mucho tiempo.. analizo mucho la situación. Y lo que lo hace grandioso es que le foldea a Dwan que es un jugador muy indescifrable
Yo he foldeado Reyes preflop y nadie me grabó en video, sino ese hubiese sido EL MEJOR VIDEO
@@martinnicolas172 a nadie le importa
Would’ve been really interesting to see the outcome if Dwan raised the turn.
I think I saw a Dwan smirk at the end... "Damn, sick fold".
10s full made sense, that was a next level fold. Most just call. Bravo
world class fold. I like how both players played all the lines even the over bet in the river. really nice hand
It was an easy fold
@@estelsander979 whatever dude...I can agree you can put Dwan with whichever pocket pairs since there's not too much action pre-flop to determinate his range, but that was everything but an easy fold
@@jomapuig93 easy fold. 1 bet call by Dwan preflop. Dwan can easily have 44, J10, KJ (21 combos) as well as AQ (12 combos) for chop. Less likely he could have smooth called 1010 (3 combos) but could have this considering he also smooth called JJ (1 combo) here. Unlikely he had AK, AA, KK, or QQ because he almost 100% always 3 bets these hands because he loves playing big pots so he's not bluffing with these hands either. So what do you think he is bluffing with here? AQ? not likely. Triple Js? No...he's just calling Garrett's bet on the river with these because there is no value hands to that to call them. Rainbow board so no missed flushes. So you're left with KQ or Q9 suited bluffs and Garrett has a Q blocker and that's it. EASY FOLD.
Tom is such a Great pleayer, his stile is unique, I wish I could play like him
What an insane check on the river and what an even sicker fold
When you check quads on the river: please bet please bet please bet please bet please bet...
in most cases yes, against a competent player like garret, he just rarely has a hand that doesnt bet the river, its better to check the third street when you unblock all the combos of value they would assume is ahead due to the two previous checks
Ha I remember when Gabe said that too.
Good read by Garrett and you can see Tom's immediate yet subtle 'wtf' reaction on his face. My play with Tom's hand on the river would be to go all in, which would look a lot more like a bluff considering I checked in previous rounds. On TV, players love catching players on a bluff - so never underestimate the power of ego. While still a low % chance of a call, the reward would've been huge.
Garret makes a 3bet preflop the 90% percent of the time. With almost any hand, 96s for example. Here he just calls with AQs, maybe because he is facing Tom Dwan. In the flop a continuation bet from Tom is right, nobody gonna think we have the nuts. In the turn another bet (we are losing now), and call if we face a raise. In the river: two options.
1. Check-raise to any bet.
2. Make a pot size bet or overbet, and check-raise any bet.
In this way, betting since the flop, we built a much bigger pot, than just check-calling.
I mean pot size bet or overbet, and re-raise any raise. (River 2nd option)
" leaning towards a reason to put a few more bucks in here " .. yes yes .. or more then my salary for a damn year haha
More of this plz! Dur vs Garrett……nothing better in poker entertainment. Plz get these kinda guys together again
That has to be the greatest fold I have ever seen. Like the commentators said, he disregarded any possibility that he’s dumb enough to overbet a weaker hand for value and rationally thought through every possible hand durr could have played that way and turned in to a bluff and came to the incredibly painful but correct conclusion and simply listened to himself. That’s amazing poker.
A lot of hands beat him tho, not just JJJJ
He could have KK, KJ, TJ, TT, 44
Have you seen Nguyen's folding a fullhouse?
@@michaelvu8776 that’s nothing, I once saw Juanda fold - trips -
After Dwan raises the river Garret is basically left with a bluff catcher. It's a good fold but not even the best one I've seen Garret make.
I like how people call Garrett a luck box but he makes tough laydowns that many people would pay off
hitting cards when you’re behind has NOTHING to do with tough laydowns
I saw a huge pot where Garrett had AQ vs Zack’s AK
of course Garrett flops 2 pair then rivers the Q for good measure
I've never seen garrett play much, but this is good
Someone behind scene has to be relaying info to garrert like Mike postel.
@@homeroreyes7093 And others players could be doing the same
One of the best folds I have ever seen. That took real guts. I hope he got to see his play on youtube afterwards.
Phil Galfond and Adelstein. Two talented players I admire a lot. Always with a smile, even when it goes against them.
Really good attitude for sure. We should be treating all our lifes decisions this way, would be amazing.
Until he was soul read by Robbi.
Tom checking after the river was brilliant.
not really. He checked/called flop and turn. Donk betting the river makes no sense
Completely standard check, the way the hand was played. It's called playing in flow. A lead would be out of flow.
@@lordhuebi he could definitely lead river as a blocker bet with KQ, QJ, AK knowing if he's raised it's likely a straight or FH so why not do it with something super strong like quads on occasion?
@@fuimoleque Even if the river card hit him?
Everyone ususlly checks when they've hit quads
I love how Garrett just casually calls a whole years salary for me (roughly 40k) "a few more bucks"... lol I'm in the wrong line of work!
PLaying at those top crusher stakes is a near impossibility. Not because it's unattainable, but those stakes represent maybe the top 0.1% of players. If that. You need an IQ of at last 120, minimum. You can't just be a above average 115 kind of guy. Then you need to devote hours of study each day. These guys will study 6 hours a day, then play 6 hours.
it's a constant competition. Someone will be studying your hands. Getting that slight edge over you that will see them win a million off of you over 10,000 hands.
And there have been plenty of high stakes pro's who were on top for a few years then crashed and went bankrupt.
Check out Aussie Matt, that fish loses 1 million dollar pots in minutes and just reloads and does the same again.
@@elyastoohey6621 Surely IQ cant be the only deciding factor here. Someone can be smart yet have no discipline.
@@joehughes6302 like I said, Iq is just a prerequisite.
Then you need to put in the hours to beat all the other guys with 125+ Iq’s who are putting in 6-12 hours a day.
Its not an easy lifestyle. Most of these guys could be making lots of money in other professions.
Why a lot of poker pros are guys who could be top bankers, but they’re just a bit too weird, or have poor communication or poor team work skills, so they play a more isolated numbers game.
Adelstein is cool. But he always looks high on something and super irritable, or super laid back. Some people just wouldn’t hire him because he seems too intense.
Obviously likely genius or at least gifted Iq.
For a while a lot of the top poker players were also bankers. They had the maths foundation and regular exposure to risk/reward.
But now because to be the top players you need to devote yourself to the game, the age of the finance guys holding a 9-7 finance job, then playing poker on the weekend is kinda gone.
@Harry BaginaI know how to be an addict & stand on the street corner but I am curious about the (professional) gigolo application process? I'm intrigued...
that flop check by Tom was AMAZING!
Increible Fold!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Garrett putting Dwan on a full house
OF course. When he raises that river he has to have boat or better or just a bluff. So Garret's hand becomes just a bluff catcher at that point.
가렛의 폴드는 늘 놀랍네..
He's just incredible... it's all so apparent to us but he just follows the cues so well
Wow! Read that so well. I'm uber-impressed!
Durr is a genius player..That 68 amount was a perfect way to get 43 k more or an all in,,, Hero fold though...
Garrett's not helping Tom becoming freed from the Triads..
Is that the latest 'story'?
The good old TIME CHIP trick ha ha
Excellent lay down
Amazing fold I doubt I could ever do that
Maybe he cheated a la robbie
This comment section may serve as an infinite reminder that there will always be people who think they know so much when indeed they know so little.
Also great fold, that read was nutty.
I always know what to do when I see both hands.
@@drslyone Yeah but you explain it in ways that no one understands but that make it sound like you know what you're talking about? From reading these comments I'd say that's clearly the trick, ha.
That was a Fawk up hand. LoL
Great fold by garret...Great bet by dwan...2 of the greats
what was great about dwans bet?
@@Simon-nv5zj 1.5x on the river against Broadway…? Both players played the hand incredible and here you are being a hater
@@jaybaker7870 i asked a question and you call me a hater? my god. my point was dwan has quads and gets a 1.5x pot bet into him, and my question was, what was great about dwans bet? Because it seems to me it wasnt that great since if he went bigger imo he would more likely get called.
@@Simon-nv5zj it comes down to respect. Garrett knows that a 1.5 raise shows more strength than a shove especially at the highest level. You just sound like a hater or just don’t understand the game. Dwan goes for max value, Gman lays down a killer hand. Both played well, both should be commended for it.
@@jaybaker7870 what comes down to respect? that im questioning? you are literally not making sense. dwan clearly doesnt go for max value, since he would bet...the max. Dwan's best action was the check on the flop,since he shouldnt really be doing that much on JTx. Garret played this very well , dwan played his hand fairly standard except maybe the check on the flop.
If anyone in the comments say that they'd make that fold themselves, there's a very good chance that they're lying.
That was a top class fold there.
When Tom raises the river Garret's hand basically turns into a bluff catcher. Good fold but I've seen Garret make way sicker laydowns.
Great fold!
Sure, that river is scary - and it was cheap to see it - but still... well played by both players.
That's an insane fold and insane check back by Durrr!
I have never seen any player fold so perfectly as Garret... It looks like he can see the opponent's card.
He can.
Id have prefered just a jam from Dwan trying to get paid by all full houses
his bet was solid
I like a jam, too. Make it look bluffy and spewy. But what full houses? Garrett unlikely to flat with TT or KK. Even 44 is an easy fold vs that line. That value raise made it an easy fold.
@Nolan Wilson by GTO principles: he has the best possible hand, so you want to go all in whenevr u have the best possible hand (on the river generally)
Jam is a reasonable move but all the boats going to raise you anyway.
@@DescartesRenegade Garret prob flats TT preflop
I keep getting these video suggestions everyday of Garrett getting wrecked in ridiculous spots!
Amazing. What a fold!
When Dwan used the time chip I think that would cause doubt for me. It tells me he is evaluating the strength of his hand against mine which is not typical in a bluff. Plus human nature causes us to want to convey strength when we are bluffing and indecision is not so we act faster. I know Tom is a top level thinker which makes my point irrelevant but I still think Garret would have been more likely to call an all in without a time extension.
Great point. Watch Krish when he shoves, he does it immediately, and it’s usually on a draw or just top pair. He does it a lot, with his head down
ya, if he just jams allin without using the time chip, gman might call his fake bluff!
@@mannyramos8987 and he ALWAYS loses. It’s so blatantly obvious
That’s terrible logic. I’m assuming you’ve never once watched dwan play or there’s no way you’d say that. These guys get absolutely no time, time chips are used on bluffs all the time
Tom is without a doubt, one IF not the very best High Stakes live cash player of all time!!! The guy has been playing as big as $400-$800 since he was in his early 20's. Refusing to take $200K back against Greenstein because Greenstein did not want to run it twice. Tom inspired and keeps inspiring generation after generations of young players.
plenty better than him, hes even said so.
@@Simon-nv5zjyou wrote a book about his life?or you just obsessed
@4463013 It takes 14 seconds to read that, my boy. SMH
Good job
A tough fold, but smart. If you make a polarizing bet but you're at the bottom end of your value range, then you have to fold when raised. Since you polarized, you know that opponent does not expect you to fold if your polarizing bet was actually for value, and there's no need for him to raise if you were bluffing; he can just call. So if he raises, it's because he is not afraid of the bulk of your value range.
Exaclty! After Dwan raises, Garret just has a bluff catcher.
Garret is hands down one of the greatest cash game players of all time.
Not as good as me . I would have checked river
Chip Reese... get real
Checking back would make you to exploitable. He should’ve bet a much smaller sizing. But he was going for a over bet bluff to put Tom in the tank and possibly get hero called by trips or two pair.
The way garrett played his hand dwan could be value betting with trip jacks there, but considering quads are so rare the most likely hand tom could have was pocket 10s kings or 10-J or J-K but still garrett would expect a raise on the turn. Looking back this specific hand he played it perfectly cause in other instances it could cost him his all-in
Tom is never ever xr a 1.5x river ob with trip J’s for value. He has full houses, quads and bluffs.
I don't think there are very many good players who would value raise a single jack on that board.
that fold makes so much sense but I still would have been unable to fold
Increible fold.Sin palabras
I like the overbet it’s helps his river decision a lot. Garrett is an all time great
Yeah that overbet is just a no no lol.
Pretty big blunder. AQ is a pure check there at that river.
Can justify betting small but definitely not overbet.
Why would you check that??? Textbook bet fold mate
@@wookies45 Betting small? Sure. But checking is superior.
What hand do we extract value from if we bet? Especially with that overbet size? AA QQ snaps fold. UTG can only call with boats here and maybe with QJ or AJ.
@@Nathan99924 checking is superior? LMAO you NIT. If your opponent checks ALL 3 streets to you and you check behind with Broadway you might as well go home.
@@ArmorOfZeus This is an UTG raise mate. Opponent’s line of checking 3 streets is very sensible, doesn’t mean that they don’t have strong hand in their range.
btw do some research before you talk, pretty sure you can’t beat 50 cents online
Wow Garrett really is good. Against Dawn that spot is an 90% call.
_a* 90% call_
Lol..its a 90% fold
@@mathiaskarlsson5402 You know Dwan would turn that river into a bluff almost 100% of the time with any two cards?
@@bard-anilsen Dwan banks on you to think that
brilliant lay down'
Good lay down
What a wicked fold
Interesting, Garrett is all wide-eyed on the flop after Tom casually checks top set, then when Garrett catches Broadway on the turn, suddenly he's all casual and eyes all totally relaxed as he bets heavy into the pot. It's interesting to see when they're strong they look weak and casual, blasé.. when they're weak, eyes wide and trying to read everyone else.. strong you look disinterested and meek. But of course everyone knows this so there's layers upon layers upon layers of deception lol.. basically I still can't trust my read on people lol
I was thinking the same. It seems like it should be possible to watch a ton of each of these guys' hands and categorize their body language and play style, but I should also say I absolutely suck at poker so what do I know.
@@wrybread yeah but these guys are pros, they could be very well be displaying themselves like that on purpose. As the guy above said, there are layers and layers
@@NieLL1 Sure, but tendencies should still make themselves apparent over time. And by "time" I mean thousands of hands.
@@wrybread think how many pros are playing at the highest stakes, you’d have to watch thousands upon thousands of hands for each of them. Although i do agree that you’d end up finding a lot out about their physical tells, it’s just not feesinle to do all that research for every player.
looking at physical behaviour wether its controlled or natural is a start and it gets into intuitive reading peoples demeanours. I would say dwan trying to look sour when the board paired is most telling
When someone attacks your river overbet. Even when they have a _reputation_ .It's a sure sign they have something that is the nuts or very close to it.
Thanks
Seems like Tom Dwan and Doyle haven’t aged a day!
One of greatest folds in Texas hold 'em poker
Doug polk vs Phil hellmuth hand is still sick to this day 🤮😀
If Dwan was bluffing... Would Garrett have known???
Yes. The way dwan played it was super strong.
who checks 3 streets to raise you on the river when you overbet the pot and you unblock all the combos of value and block all the drawing combos. its just weighted too heavily towards full houses, and Overplayed J's which tom rarely has here or a straight bluff. pure bluff catcher that you block alot of the bluffs on
Tom Dwan has played huge cash games in Macau as well as tournaments world wide. Garrett is a skilled player but Durr is on another level.
And didn't Tom go broke in Macau and owe money to some unsavory characters?
Sick!
Dwan is such a pro
I wonder what Garrett would do, if Tom raised with bigger amount at the end?
Fold. What use is a straight on a paired board with that kind of action? I don't even know why Garrett made that large a bet on the river. I thought he was supposed to be some big deal. What calls him there? Two pair? Would you call with two pair? It's too easy for Garrett to have a jack if Tom didn't. Weak players think holding a single jack is a strong hand there and it would be until there's that big a bet on the river. Then that's the minimum to bet with but not to call with for that much. When the board is paired and a straight is possible - with AQ, an obvious possibility given the action - both the straight and trips are in serious danger. What is calling Garrett's big bet on the river? A single jack? Garrett's fold was obvious once Tom raised. And his bet sizing on the river was a mistake. At most be should have made a small bet and folded to any raise. Tom was absolutely capable of doing exactly what he did with KK, JJ, 44, TT... Garrett is overly tuned to excessive aggression. He's not a reflective, nuanced player.
Garrett had essentially a bluff catcher in that spot.
yeah he is not even near the top of his range there
he can beat A J value raise =/
@@LIONTAMER3D Dwan (or any good player) is rarely gonna value raise a single jack on that board.
@@snapperjackson that's how you yourself can tell that you're not a good player =/
@@LIONTAMER3D yeah, right back atcha, buddy 😂
I was promised fireworks.
The sizing on Durrs raise had value bet written all over it.
correct
Dwan ages like Eminem
Man Tom looks beat up from the grind
Grind? Lmao he’s a multi millionaire this like 1/2 for him
@@markg6796 this is definitely small potatoes for Tom
he finally escaped his chinese masters? lol
@@vinny6_9 some gooberball posted some "triads own dwan" nonsense on the 2+2 forums over 6 years ago, and someone is still parroting that? LOL
@@LIONTAMER3D lighten up, buttercup
Garrett , The greatest ‘Folder’ on the high stakes poker
To say it was great fold would be an understatement.. wow
Wait, u guys just jacked HUSTLER LIVE’s content?
I was thinking the same thing lol
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@@stevevuoso8411 thank you
@@stevevuoso8411 ya…I guess that has to be the situation.