"It was a good day for Preaching the gospel" Eric Hovind Translation: "I had a good day asking gotcha questions as now I have enough material to make it look like I won"
"made it look like" would be correct. This is not what "Atheist's think". Many Atheists have a different world view. Many Atheist agree with world views of Theists. Some Atheists disagree with other Atheist on certain matters. Atheism is not a cult, with one mindset, as a Theistic world view indeed is. An Atheist simply does not see evidence of a God, period. It is only that one definition that an Atheist subscribes. However, you will find it common among Atheists, that all things are possible, until proven impossible.
It's because God likes to use Thunderf00t to help reach the lost with His message of salvation. He's always letting the scoffers find ways to glorify Him. He was able to do the same thing with Pharaoh. :)
I'm not miserable. I'm a happy guy. Maybe your god forgot to put "knowledge of Him" in my heart. If so, I thank him for that. I'd hate to think that, if I knew him, I'd be condemned to a life of celestial slavery. Thank your god for my freedom!
well this was an extremely fair and unbiased view of things. My favourite part is where he doesn't cut them off after asking stupid questions but lets them continue to give their logical answer. I like how he also doesn't use semantics to attempt to prove his point and how it is firmly grounded in logic and reason.
You guys miss the point. As an atheist it comes down to saying I realise that I can't ultimately hold opinion as fact, just like anyone of faith can't. As a result I don't go out of my way to crudely edit together a video with the aim of trying to belittle someone's views but ultimately come out as a smug jerk. I respect your right to practise your faith without interruption; please allow me to go about my day in peace.
Hmmm when i was 5 years old my school made me sing prayers and read the bible. They called it Religious Education. I didnt have a say in the matter. It was forced upon me. Now they say I know GOD exists and I reject him. Doesnt seem fair to me.
Christians are completely honest about what can be known because we start with the source of all knowledge, God. That's why it's so easy to amplify the foolishness of the scoffer. To deny God, they have to deny reality itself.
If this is an example of the strength of your argument, I'm reasonably sure that we won't have to deal with this bollocks for much longer. Admittedly, it's hard to look away though. It's like a joint project by a bible camp AV club and a head injury clinic.
Sorry, I misused the word 'world' for the word, 'word'. And I should have written 'how' instead of 'all'. One day I'll master this second language. I know a poor excuse for sloppy writing. Don't have the luxury of an proof writer.
Not sure what you are saying, but if your asking me if I have a foundation for science, logic, and reasoning then the answer is yes. The question is do you have a foundation for the same?
Great editing there, guys! Except that I saw the entire interview with thunderf00t & Mr hovind. Once again, great job being able to declare a victory from such an obvious defeat. Ah, the magic of editing is a wonderful thing for those who spend their entire life believing in a fantasy of man's "creation".
I a former Christian, I assume you are too. Usually they like to ask what church you were with before you became an atheist. You'll say, "I was ___________." "Oh you didn't truly know Christ. Follow me I'll show you the true gospel!"
Sorry to say, but theology is the study of religion, not just Christian religion. Hence why academics distinguish between "Christian theologians", "Jewish theologians", and "Zoroastrian theologians " for example. Theos - god Logos - study of Can search it up on wikipedia, the Oxford English Dictionary, any university's theology department, or anything.
One Question. If a Man/Woman speaks to someone that only they can see & hear, they are considered to be a Lunatic. However, if a Man/Woman speaks to someone that they cannot see or hear, it is considered to be a Religion. The question would be, why is that? #2 What is the difference between the two?
A dog is not more valuable than humans intrinsically but because we are humans we know what is like to be humans so we sympathize and identify with each other so therefore we as humans put more value in us than other species of animals.and it does matter because this is the only life we have so it makes it incredibly valuable and its tragic when its wasted and we all want to live with the least amount of discomfort as possible so those of us that want that work together to help achieve it simple
Premise: "You can’t know anything without God." Either this can be known logically, which would mean you *can* know truth without God (via logic), which would make the statement false. Or this statement is illogical, in which case we can dismiss it as an invalid argument. Either way, the argument fails.
I understand the humility being conveyed by admitting it is "possible that I don’t know anything." But in the strictest sense you really can't answer that question in the negative, because the very act of providing an answer implicitly assumes you know something about the terms of the question. You know something about what it means to have knowledge, the nature of yourself, your mind, and your limitations.
You win. Your just to smart for me. I hope I haven't cause you too much angst. My only reason to argue was to show you that many of the things we assume in life are gifts from God and for that reason Christians give him thanks, praise and worship.
I don't understand how people like Eric or Sye can not see why their views are illogical. To me it is like 2+2 = 4. But somehow they can't see that. It is frustrating.
problem :D Also, don't see what was the point of the carnival music, especially with the part with the jesus riding on the dinosaur, you guys had a dinosaur on a spiked collar and leash not too long ago.
Why does Thunderf00t even discuss with Eric Hovind? Hovind stated that there is nothing in the world that anybody could say or demonstrate to make him change his believe. This is so pointless
You miss understand presuppositionalism... God has revealed things to us so that we can be sure of them...God has revealed to us that logic is valid and that there can be no contradictions
Strange. This video is 8 years old but very few of the comments have a single 'like'. It would take too long for me to 'like' all the (atheist) comments I see here so I have clicked on the dislike bar because of the way this is edited.
Atheists are considered intellectually dishonest if we don't agree with Eric and Sye's piffle. I can respect the person who can tell me honestly, "I don't know" rather than some fanatical rube telling me he KNOWS exactly what I NEED.
My apologies I did misunderstand. I hope he didn't take the conversations out of context but with the clips from conversations it is likely. It would be interesting to see the full conversations. God bless :)
Max may have said his position didn't make sense, but did he say that yours made any more sense? Even thunderf00t "gave up atheism" according to you, but in the process he also forced you to give up Christianity. We're all happy to meet you at 0, but our objective is to get somewhere else.
It is an honest representation of their views. Might I suggest you watch them again? I'm not mad just can't get over the fact that people thumbed up the most ignorant comment. well it makes sense like i said Atheist lack logic.
That argument about "How can we know that what we know is true" is sooooo REDUNDANT! You could apply the same argument to them. And another thing, atheism is not a world view.
Of course it applies to me, it applies to everyone. I have not claimed to be absolutely certain about anything. I claimed that the only honest answer is that we cannot be 100% certain about anything. In the video you were implying that atheists hold to a weak position because they admit this fact. Admitting the existance of the fallacy of absolute certainty is not weakness, it is honesty.
I especially the enjoyed the honest and humble atheists admitting the they could not be 100% sure of anything as compared to the arrogance and dishonesty of the theists claiming absolute knowledge and certainty. Thanks for pointing out that atheists are honest about what can be "known" while theists are not.
You guys are hilarious, unfortunately for you it's at your expense. You don't make an argument that makes sense and you just show a few second long clips of atheists response to your really dumb questions. If you guys understood atheism you would understand your "ministries" to these atheists that are often as well read in the bible have heard what you're saying and have through reasoning rejected it. You coming out spewing your rehearsed lines does nothing positive for your cause. It's humerous
This video is like that analogy of playing chess with a pigeon, anyone who thinks (or watches full videos from the rally) shouldn't have any doubts about what's going on here...
Thunderfoot: "Its conceivable that the Universe doesn't exist." Hovind: "Haw, haw, haw! No it's not!" You'll sure win a lot of sympathy from thoughtful people with that kind of attitude.
I am a slave to no man and no God. I think for myself, I do what I believe is good and moral, not what some musty old book tells me to. I am free from the idea that I am somehow an "unworthy" creature, doomed by sins committed by a fictional man and woman in a fictional garden 6,000 years ago. Like a tiger who paces the imaginary boundaries of a cage after it has escaped, you are a slave to ancient dogma, while I can choose how best to live my life.
Wow, CT has censored neither the comments nor rating scale yet. This either means 1) They are genuinely interested in criticism, 2) They have a serious persecution complex and want to how they are turning the other cheek, or 3) They want the comments available so they can "argue" with their dissenters.
See. That's the frustrating part. How can you NOT understand what's being said? If you are to be 100% honest with yourself and you are willing to keep an OPEN MIND, you cannot be 100% certain about ANYTHING. It's that simple. You MUST be open to ANY possibility, WHEREVER REASON takes you. I have NO reason to believe I am in the Matrix. If you show me otherwise, then you're right. But I can't be ABSOLUTELY certain I'm not. I deal with the realities at hand. But keep an open mind.
@Thunderf00t, so favoriting this video was probably a touch underhanded. @CreationToday, I accept that you want to help people from your most imaginable hell, but please don't be surprised if people remain unconvinced with only your assertion (divine knowledge you can't substantiate) and not any demonstrable evidence.
Honestly, the fact that everyone in that video out right admitted that they could be wrong should speak volumes for atheism as a whole. Where are the theists who say "Hey, I could be totally wrong about this, but here's my train of thought"?
I never claimed to be absolutely certain about anything. That is my point. Admitting that absolute certainty about a position on a subject is not weakness it's honesty. Absolute certainty is a fallacy. In your video when the people you interview admit that they are not 100% certain, you imply that this somehow weakens their position. It does not weaken their position. They are simply attampting to be completely honest.
I debated Sye on skype after he had run away from me for a while. I got him to admit that he couldn't trust his senses except when discussing the "truth of scripture". I also got him to admit that he would commit a Holocaust a la Adolf Hitler if he was asked to by God. This is exactly why we fight superstition so fiercely. IDEAS MATTER!
I'd like to see you name one significant finding which has vigorously held up to academic scrutiny for a number of years and stands as a significant challenge to the worthiness of either the abiogenesis hypothesis as the source of life or of evolution as the source of all the diversity of life forms. I've likely read every creation science book you've read, listened to every talk you've listened to, and viewed every debate you've viewed. There is not one significant, robust, finding among them.
"It was a good day for Preaching the gospel" Eric Hovind
Translation: "I had a good day asking gotcha questions as now I have enough material to make it look like I won"
"made it look like" would be correct. This is not what "Atheist's think". Many Atheists have a different world view. Many Atheist agree with world views of Theists. Some Atheists disagree with other Atheist on certain matters. Atheism is not a cult, with one mindset, as a Theistic world view indeed is. An Atheist simply does not see evidence of a God, period. It is only that one definition that an Atheist subscribes. However, you will find it common among Atheists, that all things are possible, until proven impossible.
It's because God likes to use Thunderf00t to help reach the lost with His message of salvation. He's always letting the scoffers find ways to glorify Him. He was able to do the same thing with Pharaoh. :)
wow so much faith in there convictions that they will only show edited snippets of full conversations, nice job
tkof remember.. if these cretins had their way, they'd outlaw any book but the Bible, right. These are not exactly the brightest lot..
Admitting that we connot possibly be 100% sure of anything is not foolishness, its honesty. Thanks for confirming my observation.
Mocking intellectual honesty; Christian compassion at its finest.
God makes complete sense.I have a relationship with Him!
It's like you've never listened to an argument the other side has uttered. Amazing.
I'm not miserable. I'm a happy guy. Maybe your god forgot to put "knowledge of Him" in my heart. If so, I thank him for that. I'd hate to think that, if I knew him, I'd be condemned to a life of celestial slavery. Thank your god for my freedom!
well this was an extremely fair and unbiased view of things. My favourite part is where he doesn't cut them off after asking stupid questions but lets them continue to give their logical answer. I like how he also doesn't use semantics to attempt to prove his point and how it is firmly grounded in logic and reason.
WoW! great cure for insomnia.
Shared a bit about this when speaking to a sister about Angela Braxton this afternoon. Nice to relive a bit of it today!
You guys miss the point. As an atheist it comes down to saying I realise that I can't ultimately hold opinion as fact, just like anyone of faith can't. As a result I don't go out of my way to crudely edit together a video with the aim of trying to belittle someone's views but ultimately come out as a smug jerk. I respect your right to practise your faith without interruption; please allow me to go about my day in peace.
Hmmm when i was 5 years old my school made me sing prayers and read the bible. They called it Religious Education. I didnt have a say in the matter. It was forced upon me. Now they say I know GOD exists and I reject him. Doesnt seem fair to me.
Why do these people think the reason we are atheists is because we haven't heard the gospel?
Can you help me file my taxes? I'm running late this year
"I'm gonna speak the truth." LOL
They wouldn't know truth if it bit 'em
Christians are completely honest about what can be known because we start with the source of all knowledge, God. That's why it's so easy to amplify the foolishness of the scoffer. To deny God, they have to deny reality itself.
If this is an example of the strength of your argument, I'm reasonably sure that we won't have to deal with this bollocks for much longer.
Admittedly, it's hard to look away though. It's like a joint project by a bible camp AV club and a head injury clinic.
The word confidence does come from faith: con fide (with faith) but the origin of the word does not stop it from meaning something else right now.
Sorry, I misused the word 'world' for the word, 'word'. And I should have written 'how' instead of 'all'. One day I'll master this second language. I know a poor excuse for sloppy writing. Don't have the luxury of an proof writer.
what if we went to church with a video cam. just to argue with christians? what would they say about us if we did that?
Not sure what you are saying, but if your asking me if I have a foundation for science, logic, and reasoning then the answer is yes. The question is do you have a foundation for the same?
Thanks. I wish the same happiness for yourself.
Why didn't god make the video less blurry?
Is that the City Slickers theme music on this video?
I'm all for believing what makes you feel good as long as you don't threaten me with eternal punishment for disagreeing.
Sounds interesting. Who tops?
Yet I don't see the interview with Thunderf00t.
What should I know about it?
Great editing there, guys! Except that I saw the entire interview with thunderf00t & Mr hovind. Once again, great job being able to declare a victory from such an obvious defeat. Ah, the magic of editing is a wonderful thing for those who spend their entire life believing in a fantasy of man's "creation".
great editing work, guys.
I a former Christian, I assume you are too. Usually they like to ask what church you were with before you became an atheist. You'll say, "I was ___________."
"Oh you didn't truly know Christ. Follow me I'll show you the true gospel!"
Sorry to say, but theology is the study of religion, not just Christian religion. Hence why academics distinguish between "Christian theologians", "Jewish theologians", and "Zoroastrian theologians " for example.
Theos - god
Logos - study of
Can search it up on wikipedia, the Oxford English Dictionary, any university's theology department, or anything.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. Yes, yes, and yes. Yes. Does that answer your questions?
Wonderful. They're so confident in their arguments they resort to dishonest editing.
cd and dvd sales are proof of god
Kent Hovind has never even taken a simple beginners philosophy course on metaphysics of existentialism.
One Question.
If a Man/Woman speaks to someone that only they can see & hear, they are considered to be a Lunatic. However, if a Man/Woman speaks to someone that they cannot see or hear, it is considered to be a Religion. The question would be, why is that? #2 What is the difference between the two?
A dog is not more valuable than humans intrinsically but because we are humans we know what is like to be humans so we sympathize and identify with each other so therefore we as humans put more value in us than other species of animals.and it does matter because this is the only life we have so it makes it incredibly valuable and its tragic when its wasted and we all want to live with the least amount of discomfort as possible so those of us that want that work together to help achieve it simple
Would you agree that there might be something that you don't know, that you don't know?
Just an observation but does eric look a little wired in the hotel at the end. his eyes look strange. has he been marching?
Faith is confidence lol. I have faith that my bed is right next to me, because I know that it is, I trust that it is! I have proof that it is.
Seeing the dislike bar restored some of my faith in humanity.
I just want to know, Eric -- are chemicals true or false?!
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Premise: "You can’t know anything without God." Either this can be known logically, which would mean you *can* know truth without God (via logic), which would make the statement false. Or this statement is illogical, in which case we can dismiss it as an invalid argument. Either way, the argument fails.
I understand the humility being conveyed by admitting it is "possible that I don’t know anything." But in the strictest sense you really can't answer that question in the negative, because the very act of providing an answer implicitly assumes you know something about the terms of the question. You know something about what it means to have knowledge, the nature of yourself, your mind, and your limitations.
So which "unembodied mind" do you believe in then?
You know he never asked a question that effects me on a daily basis at all so i shall remain a non believer
Is it weird that Gandhi, a Hindu, was more like a Christian than those who claim to be Christian?
You win. Your just to smart for me. I hope I haven't cause you too much angst. My only reason to argue was to show you that many of the things we assume in life are gifts from God and for that reason Christians give him thanks, praise and worship.
Where is the footage of "Max"
is this bullcrap gonna get taken down from all the dislikes?
I have read the Bible multiple times...that is why I'm a Atheist now.
Eric, Why do you not realize that your questions are broken? They intrinsically do not make sense.
Then I would have to ask how do you know your senses are valid?
eric's first daddy must be so proud of him. can eric be proud of his first daddy too?
wow, how can the producer of this vid still sleep at night?
An atheist is someone who has made the sin of unbelief into a lifestyle.
I don't understand how people like Eric or Sye can not see why their views are illogical. To me it is like 2+2 = 4. But somehow they can't see that. It is frustrating.
problem :D Also, don't see what was the point of the carnival music, especially with the part with the jesus riding on the dinosaur, you guys had a dinosaur on a spiked collar and leash not too long ago.
You interviewed me! Why the hell am I not in there!?!?!?
Why does Thunderf00t even discuss with Eric Hovind? Hovind stated that there is nothing in the world that anybody could say or demonstrate to make him change his believe. This is so pointless
Needs moar quote-mining. Half the running time consisting of selective editing simply won't suffice!
I dont hear voices.I read His Word!
Why not just share Exodus 21:20,21 with everyone you meet and thus show them the infinite wisdom of God. Hallelujah!
You miss understand presuppositionalism... God has revealed things to us so that we can be sure of them...God has revealed to us that logic is valid and that there can be no contradictions
how is 1 NOT believing in any Gods a belief and 2 how is it an inconsistent position
wow, quote mine much? Ever heard of air the full context of a conversation?
Strange. This video is 8 years old but very few of the comments have a single 'like'. It would take too long for me to 'like' all the (atheist) comments I see here so I have clicked on the dislike bar because of the way this is edited.
Because I love my sin, what does that even mean?
Atheists are considered intellectually dishonest if we don't agree with Eric and Sye's piffle. I can respect the person who can tell me honestly, "I don't know" rather than some fanatical rube telling me he KNOWS exactly what I NEED.
My apologies I did misunderstand. I hope he didn't take the conversations out of context but with the clips from conversations it is likely. It would be interesting to see the full conversations. God bless :)
Max may have said his position didn't make sense, but did he say that yours made any more sense? Even thunderf00t "gave up atheism" according to you, but in the process he also forced you to give up Christianity. We're all happy to meet you at 0, but our objective is to get somewhere else.
It is an honest representation of their views. Might I suggest you watch them again?
I'm not mad just can't get over the fact that people thumbed up the most ignorant comment. well it makes sense like i said Atheist lack logic.
I don't believe that this wasn't intentionally misleading!
Seek the Truth!
That argument about "How can we know that what we know is true" is sooooo REDUNDANT! You could apply the same argument to them. And another thing, atheism is not a world view.
he proved that atheists can at least accept the possibility that they are wrong where christians can not. 3:35 - 5:40
Of course it applies to me, it applies to everyone. I have not claimed to be absolutely certain about anything. I claimed that the only honest answer is that we cannot be 100% certain about anything. In the video you were implying that atheists hold to a weak position because they admit this fact. Admitting the existance of the fallacy of absolute certainty is not weakness, it is honesty.
I especially the enjoyed the honest and humble atheists admitting the they could not be 100% sure of anything as compared to the arrogance and dishonesty of the theists claiming absolute knowledge and certainty. Thanks for pointing out that atheists are honest about what can be "known" while theists are not.
You guys are hilarious, unfortunately for you it's at your expense. You don't make an argument that makes sense and you just show a few second long clips of atheists response to your really dumb questions. If you guys understood atheism you would understand your "ministries" to these atheists that are often as well read in the bible have heard what you're saying and have through reasoning rejected it. You coming out spewing your rehearsed lines does nothing positive for your cause. It's humerous
This video is like that analogy of playing chess with a pigeon, anyone who thinks (or watches full videos from the rally) shouldn't have any doubts about what's going on here...
I liked all the responses, they were being intellectually honest, but I liked AronRa's response the best.
Thunderfoot: "Its conceivable that the Universe doesn't exist."
Hovind: "Haw, haw, haw! No it's not!"
You'll sure win a lot of sympathy from thoughtful people with that kind of attitude.
I am a slave to no man and no God. I think for myself, I do what I believe is good and moral, not what some musty old book tells me to. I am free from the idea that I am somehow an "unworthy" creature, doomed by sins committed by a fictional man and woman in a fictional garden 6,000 years ago. Like a tiger who paces the imaginary boundaries of a cage after it has escaped, you are a slave to ancient dogma, while I can choose how best to live my life.
Wow, CT has censored neither the comments nor rating scale yet. This either means 1) They are genuinely interested in criticism, 2) They have a serious persecution complex and want to how they are turning the other cheek, or 3) They want the comments available so they can "argue" with their dissenters.
"The OFFICIAL Christian Vlog"? Wow. Egos running amok, much?
thunderf00t didnt have to edit his portions to hide the logical lashing you received lol.
See. That's the frustrating part. How can you NOT understand what's being said? If you are to be 100% honest with yourself and you are willing to keep an OPEN MIND, you cannot be 100% certain about ANYTHING. It's that simple. You MUST be open to ANY possibility, WHEREVER REASON takes you.
I have NO reason to believe I am in the Matrix. If you show me otherwise, then you're right. But I can't be ABSOLUTELY certain I'm not. I deal with the realities at hand. But keep an open mind.
How much you want to bet they didn't tip?
@Thunderf00t, so favoriting this video was probably a touch underhanded.
@CreationToday, I accept that you want to help people from your most imaginable hell, but please don't be surprised if people remain unconvinced with only your assertion (divine knowledge you can't substantiate) and not any demonstrable evidence.
Proof or shut it......If anyone is acting like a smug know it all it isn't me...All I pointed out is I'm atheist and not miserable in anyway.
Honestly, the fact that everyone in that video out right admitted that they could be wrong should speak volumes for atheism as a whole. Where are the theists who say "Hey, I could be totally wrong about this, but here's my train of thought"?
I never claimed to be absolutely certain about anything. That is my point. Admitting that absolute certainty about a position on a subject is not weakness it's honesty. Absolute certainty is a fallacy. In your video when the people you interview admit that they are not 100% certain, you imply that this somehow weakens their position. It does not weaken their position. They are simply attampting to be completely honest.
5:25 "confidence" Origin: late Middle English: from Latin confidentia, from confidere 'have full trust.' Oxford Dictionaries
Apart from being bad, this video is bad technically. Why does it have geometry deformations?
I debated Sye on skype after he had run away from me for a while. I got him to admit that he couldn't trust his senses except when discussing the "truth of scripture". I also got him to admit that he would commit a Holocaust a la Adolf Hitler if he was asked to by God. This is exactly why we fight superstition so fiercely. IDEAS MATTER!
I'd like to see you name one significant finding which has vigorously held up to academic scrutiny for a number of years and stands as a significant challenge to the worthiness of either the abiogenesis hypothesis as the source of life or of evolution as the source of all the diversity of life forms.
I've likely read every creation science book you've read, listened to every talk you've listened to, and viewed every debate you've viewed. There is not one significant, robust, finding among them.
Believe it. I lived in that multi-generational bubble of delusion for almost 50 years. Thank common sense for finally popping it for me and my family.